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PLEASE help WV
[edit]Hey there, I saw the AWESOME clickable county KY map and I would love to do one for WV. Can you help me by in some way telling me HOW you got the image map to work and I will do the work for WV...PLEEEEASECoal town guy (talk) 15:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- You asked on my page about how to get a clickable map of counties in West Virginia the way there's one for Kentucky. So, here's how it works.
- A map is clickable in Wikipedia or other sites using the Wikimedia software (the underlying software Wikipedia uses is called Wikimedia) by using the Wikimedia clickable link instructions. It uses a syntax similar to the standard client-side clickable link format for regular websites. You would take an image of WV counties of the size used in the article, then create a clickmap using a map editor program, following the edges to create a series of poly regions equating to each county. After you do this, if the map program doesn't support Wikimedia mapping commands, you change the commands (but the coordinates the mapping program used will be the same), then you include a link to the map you're using.
- There is supposed to be one that does this for the Wikimedia format but I haven't had much luck with it. To learn more, edit or view source on a page that has a clickable map, like go to List of Texas area codes, then click on Edit This Page (You actually want to see the page source, you're not really going editing it.) The beginning of the clickable map area has an html tag of <imagemap> and ends with </imagemap>, starts with the specification of the image to use, then each region to be defined and the coordinates and the link in Wikipedia to use. The region coordinate data is the same as that used for a standard client-side map, but the commands and the way a link is indicated is done differently than the usual method.
- Check out this page http://www.wikihow.com/Use-the-MediaWiki-ImageMap-Extension to see how it's done or Google wikimedia image map or wikipedia image map. Good luck. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 20:15, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
- I meant to say thanks, yes, that clickable map is the one I made a few hours ago, thanks to you! VERY much appreciate the help!Coal town guy (talk) 00:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
DC happy hour on Thursday, February 28!
[edit]Please join Wikimedia DC for Happy Hour at the Capitol City Brewery at Metro Center on Thursday, February 28 at 6 p.m. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!
For more information and to sign up, see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 34. Hope to see you there! Harej (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Area Code 516
[edit]In a large number of images you uploaded in December 2012, your diagram indicates NPA/area code 516 exists on both Long Island and in the southernmost portion of Westchester county. This is incorrect. Area code 516 only consists of Nassau County, and never included Westchester. The original 914 area code included both southeastern NY State and Long Island, but that commonality ceased when 516 was created in 1951. Can you update all of the images you uploaded, or revert them to the previous images? Souterrain (talk) 19:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Invitation to a discussion: Wikipedia and legislative data
[edit]Hi Rfc1394, since you are interested in meetups in DC, I'd like to invite you to attend the Cato Institute's "Wikipedia and Legislative Data" events on March 14. (There's also an all day workshop on March 15; let me know if you are interested, we may be able to add more people.)
There will be an introduction to Wikipedia and open edit-a-thon in the afternoon, and a Sunshine Week Reception in the evening. I hope you can make it!
- Please sign up here
- Announcement on Cato's blog
- Background from Cato sponsor Jim Harper's perspective
- Background from Wikipedian Pete Forsyth's perspective
Hope to see you there! -Pete (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, March 9!
[edit]Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Guapo's at Tenleytown-AU on Saturday, March 9 at 5 PM All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!
For more information and to sign up, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 35. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 13:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to a Women in the Arts Meetup & Edit-a-thon on Friday, March 29
[edit]In honor of Women's History Month, the Smithsonian and the National Museum of Women in the Arts are teaming up to organize a Women in the Arts Meetup & Edit-a-thon on Friday, March 29, 2013 from 10:00am - 5:00pm. The event is focused on encouraging women editors while improving Wikipedia entries about women artists and art world figures. This event is free of charge, but participation is limited to 20 volunteers, so RSVP today! Sarasays (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
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DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, April 13!
[edit]Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, April 13 at 5:30 PM All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!
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You are invited to the "All Things GW" editathon on Saturday, April 20
[edit]The "All Things GW" editathon on Saturday, April 20, 2013 from 12:30 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. is a rare chance to go behind the scenes in the University Archives of the GW Libraries and use their unique resources to research and update Wikipedia pages related to The George Washington University and the Foggy Bottom neighborhood. Did you miss our last D.C. history editathon? This is your is your chance to come edit with wiki-friends using different great collection! The event includes a behind-the-scenes tour of the University Archives and a show-and-tell of some of its most interesting treasures, snacks, and the editathon.
Participation is limited to 30 volunteers, so RSVP today! Dominic·t 07:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
DC meetups on April 19 and 20
[edit]Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for two exciting events this weekend:
On the evening of Friday, April 19, we're hosting our first-ever WikiSalon at our K Street office. The WikiSalon will be a twice-monthly informal meetup and collaborative editing event to help build the community of Wikimedia enthusiasts here in DC; please join us for its inaugural session. Light refreshments will be provided.
On Saturday, April 20, we've partnered with the George Washington University to host the All Things GW Edit-a-Thon at the Teamsters Labor History Research Center. Please join us for behind-the-scenes tours of the University Archives and help edit articles about GWU history.
We look forward to seeing you at one or both of these events! Kirill [talk] 20:07, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Amendments to guidelines
[edit]Please note that any changes to guidelines should be made by consensus, so please propose any changes on the talk pages. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, May 11!
[edit]Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, May 11 at 5:30 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!
For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 23:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
DC WikiSalon on May 24
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Webinar / edit-a-thon at the National Library of Medicine (NLM)
[edit]Join us at the NLM next week, either in person or online, to learn about NLM resources, hear some great speakers, and do some editing!
On Tuesday, 28 May there will be a community Wikipedia meeting at the United States National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland - with a second on Thursday, 30 May for those who can't make it on Tuesday. You can participate either in-person, or via an online webinar. If you attend in person, USB sticks (but not external drives) are ok to use.
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DC WikiSalon on June 6
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Have time on Saturday?
[edit]I'm sorry for the last-minute notice, but on Saturday, June 8, from 3 to 6 PM, Wikimedia DC and the Cato Institute are hosting a Legislative Data Meetup. We will discuss the work done so far by WikiProject U.S. Federal Government Legislative Data to put data from Congress onto Wikipedia, as well as what more needs to be done. If you have ideas you'd like to contribute, or if you're just curious and feel like meeting up with other Wikipedians, you are welcome to come! Be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.
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DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, June 15!
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Join us this Sunday for the Great American Wiknic!
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DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, July 13!
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You're Invited: Luce and Lunder Edit-a-thon at the Smithsonian
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[edit]Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, August 24 at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!
For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 04:09, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
What a TLB is - and isn't
[edit]In the S/360 Model 67 and in the S/370 and successor models with dynamic address translation, in the GE 645, and on many current microprocessors, the page table is stored in memory, with a TLB used as a cache, separate from the caches that sit between main memory and the processor (the 360/65 and GE 645 had no cache between main memory and the processor; the first S/360 and, as far as I know, the first CPU ever to have a cache of that sort was the S/360 Model 85, which called it a "buffer").
In the Spectra/70-46, PDP-11, Sun-1, Sun-2, Sun-3 (except for the "Sun-3x" models) and the earliest Sun-4 models, there's no page table in main memory, and no TLB; instead, there is a separate chunk of memory (I'm guessing that's how the Spectra/70-46 implemented it) or a collection of registers (that's how it was on the PDP-11 and the Sun MMU) that store one or more levels of translation entries.
In the first class of machines, a virtual address is first looked up in the TLB, and, if that lookup fails, either the hardware or microcode "walks the page table" to fetch the page table entry (and enters it into the TLB, typically), or a trap occurs to operating system software or special firmware (PALcode on the DEC Alpha, for example; newer S/390 and z/Architecture machines might do the same with "millicode") that "walks the page table".
If the entry doesn't have the "page present" bit set (or, with a multi-level page table, if one of the higher-level entries doesn't have it set), a page fault occurs, and the operating system either finds the page in the in-memory page cache (minor page fault) or finds a free in-memory page frame (possibly evicting another page) and reads the page from the backing store into that location.
In the second class of machines, the virtual address is used as an index into the special memory or register array to find the entry for the page in question. If it doesn't have the "page present" bit set (or, if it's multi-level, as I think it was on at least some of the Sun MMUs, if one of the higher-level entries doesn't have it set), a page fault occurs, which is largely handled in the same fashion as in the first class of machines, but (at least on the Suns) could also be handled similarly to a TLB miss on the first class of machines (if the OS maintains a data structure similar to a page table; I forget the details of how the Sun VM system worked).
You may have been thinking of the second class of machines, but 1) they don't have a TLB, as the memory/registers are considered "fast enough" and 2) both classes of machines have page faults, which are primarily handled in the same fashion in both cases. Guy Harris (talk) 00:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
- The Spectra/70-46 manual speaks of it as memory, so it's probably high-speed core memory; it's separate from main memory. Guy Harris (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
- I have online access to a Spectra/70-46 manual. On page 4, it speaks of:
- "main memory", with a cycle time of 1.44 microseconds;
- "non-addressible main memory", used for subchannel registers (and, I suspect, implemented as part of main memory, or using the same 1.44 microsecond memory as main memory);
- "scratchpad memory", used for processor registers (general-purpose and internal), with a cycle time of 300 nanoseconds;
- "translation memory", used to store the translation table entries, with a cycle time of 300 nanoseconds;
- "read-only memory", for processor microcode, with an effective cycle time of 480 nanoseconds;
- so the translation table entries (which are not TLB entries; they don't mention a TLB, which would be a cache for a page table in main memory - if there's no other set of translation entries, there's nothing to "look-aside" to before looking at the main entries) are not in main memory. So the fact that it's not in main memory is in evidence. Guy Harris (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Are you free on Wednesday? Join us at the Wikimedia DC WikiSalon!
[edit]Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next DC WikiSalon, which will be held on the evening of Wednesday, August 24 at our K Street office.
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We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill [talk] 11:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Meet up with local Wikipedians on September 14!
[edit]Are you free on Saturday, September 14? If so, please join Wikimedia DC and local Wikipedians for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages are welcome!
For more information and to sign up, please visit the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 19:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Are you free next Thursday? Join us at the Wikimedia DC WikiSalon!
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Highlighted black king is not displayed in chess diagram
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Hello,
Q1: Why does your work fine but not your in Template:Chess diagram?
Q2: Why are your highlighted chess pieces with a red frame not at all used in WP since several months after their creations on March 23, 2013?
Q3: What is the syntax for the highlighted black king on light square in the Chess diagram template? I tried: "kD" as king Dark with "D" in upper case instead of "kd" king dark in lower case.
You can see the issue in square e8.
Chess_kDt45.svg is missing.
"t" sounds like "transparent" or "transplant".
Q4: Could you add the transparent version of highlighted chess pieces with a red frame or is there something to fix in the Chess diagram template?
According to the usage of your SVG file, it is written: "The naming is as follows: chess_xyz45.svg [...]
There are also highlighted tiles, use capital L or D for the z (3rd) parameter to make the square highlighted in red.
Q5: Why is there the capital letter in y (2nd position) "Chess kDl45.svg" but not in z (3rd position) "Chess kdL45.svg"?
Note that Chess kdD.svg has been deleted on March 24, 2013.
Q6: Is Chess_uat45.svg converted automatically in PNG format Chess_uat45.svg/26px-Chess_uat45.svg.png or manually by you?
Q7: Could you reply with a fixed sample using your highlighted black king on light square in the Chess diagram template?
Yours truly,
Nimmzo (talk) 23:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for your detailed answer in my user page on September 11, 2013.
- I found how to use the highlighted black king with a red frame in an old version of the chess diagram template used in the French-speaking fr:WP (see 2.1 The Immortal Game diagram) but not in en:WP because the new LUA script (used in the en:WP chess diagram template) needs the transplant version of the highlighted black king Chess_kDt45.svg, which does not exist.
- There are only:
- So the question becomes: could you create the transplant version for each highlighted piece with a red frame?
- Or should I ask for a fixed version of the LUA script in the en:WP chess diagram template?
- Nimmzo (talk) 23:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Are you free next Thursday? Join us at the Wikimedia DC WikiSalon!
[edit]Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next WikiSalon, which will be held from 7 to 9 PM on Thursday, September 26 at our K Street office.
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We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill [talk] 05:55, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
New York area code map
[edit]Is it possible to make an image of all the area codes of NY in blue and not have a specific one highlighted in red for List of New York area codes? (e.g. having File:Area_code_315.svg have all areas in New York blue) Thank you. I will be watching this talk page. --Zimbabweed (talk) 02:56, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
- We already have it. See Area codes ny.svg. It's been here since December 2012, and has been updated as recently as April. I thought it was on the New York State area code page. I will put it there. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
- Ah thank you. I read your response on my talk page. SVG's and image maps are well beyond my technical limitations. Good job with all the work you've done, I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates it. --Zimbabweed (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Are you free on Sunday? Join us for a special Wikimedia DC WikiSalon!
[edit]Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for a special WikiSalon at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial Library's Digital Commons Center. We will gather at 3 PM on Sunday, October 13, 2013 to discuss an important topic: what can Wikipedia and the DC area do to help each other? We hope to hear your thoughts and suggestions; if you have an idea you would like to pursue, please let us know and we will help!
Following the WikiSalon, we will be having dinner at a nearby restaurant, Ella's Wood Fired Pizza.
If you're interested in attending, please sign up at the event page. We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill [talk] 02:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, there's been a discussion at Talk:2013#Punctuation about the " the space between "millenium" and the comma" in the template. While I don't see it as a problem there are a couple of editors whom seem to think it may bring about the end of civilization as we know it! Do you have any objection to removing the space? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 02:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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