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Testing a template

§==Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban==

The following topic ban now applies to you:

You have been topic banned indefinitely from everything.

You have been sanctioned , you dissembling flap-mouthed boar-pig!

This topic ban is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Darwinbish#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. Please click on WP:TBAN and read the information there to see what a topic ban is. If you do not comply with the topic ban, you may be blocked for an extended period, to enforce the ban.

If you wish to appeal against the ban, please say so below or on my talk page and I will explain how to do it. Bishonen | talk 20:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

  • Works beautifully, doesn't it! Please refresh the page to receive more insults! Bishonen | talk 20:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC).
    • That's great, but did you subst: it? If you did, I'm going to have to also substitute the {{REVISIONUSER}}, otherwise it will keep linking to the last editor's talk page.
    • Now that I'm banned from everything, I can have a nice rest. P.S. the reason I originally went for "follow" rather than "click" is that half our viewers use a touch-sensitive interface, and a not-insubstantial fraction of the remainder only use a keyboard not a mouse – screen reader users, for example. But you're right about the possibility of mistaking the link, and I agree that lessening the potential for confusion is the paramount consideration for the template. --RexxS (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
      • Maybe "go to" rather than "click on"? I know I'm old school. Hmm. Yes, of course I substed the template. Can you fix the revisionuser thing in the template, or should we remove the link? The original template doesn't have it, I know, and you may think they should be able to find my talkpage link in my sig, but many of these users are really inexperienced.
If I should topic ban an experienced editor, which is rare, it may be better to use the full-size template, with the instructions for how to appeal. I don't want to talk down to them by telling them to ask me how to do it. It's just what newbies need, though. Bishonen | talk 21:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC).
My only comments are that the title "arbitration" might changed to "arbitrary", a detail that would only be caught in retrospect (reading so fast through these titles as we do). Also, that an array of Shakespearean insults might in some way be offered as content options! My spouse gave me such a mug one Christmas, to make the process of correcting me more efficient (akin to short citations, after a citation has appeared once, in full). Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 (talk) 18:10, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Insults

Hiya, dino. When I purge the cache of a page nowadays, such as clicking the "here" link in User:Darwinbish/insultspout, there's an annoying extra step before it actually purges: a screen that asks me if I really want to purge it, or some damn thing. The insultspout is supposed to be lean and mean and spout a stream of fresh insults, and originally it did. What's the runaround for, and is there any way of changing the link so it spouts better? darwinbish BITE ☠ 16:02, 27 March 2017 (UTC).

Looks like they changed it so that registered users have to confirm now (previously it was just IPs) on or around 16 January 2017. I have found no way of restoring the previous behaviour (although each editor can do that for themselves by adding a script, everybody else still has to go through the confirmation page). These fucking developers always think they know best. Somehow they manage to find ways to take the fun out of everything. --RexxS (talk) 18:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Ah. Yes, Shonen had noticed the same thing when she closes AfDs. But why does it say "automate the 'OK' confirmation by adding updating [sic] their custom .js file. An example script is below"? Isn't it the script for the purpose? How is it an example? I think Darwinfish is gonna go change it to "automate the 'OK' confirmation by adding this script to their custom .js file" — isn't that what's meant? darwinbish BITE ☠ 20:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC).
Oh, I just remembered, I do have a purge gadget, in the form of a little UTC clock in my personal toolbar. It's enabled under Gadgets —> Appearance in the prefs. Purging by clicking that also bypasses the annoying OK, so I don't need no stinkin' script, for myself. But it remains unfortunate that it messes with Dbish's best template. :-( Bishonen | talk 20:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC).
Only registered user have somewhere to put their customised JavaScript. That little script effectively clicks the Yes on the confirmation page, so that any registered user who adds the script won't see the confirm dialogue because the button is clicked for them. But of course everybody else who hasn't added the script still has to click the button, so it defeats the object of inviting other folks to purge the page and get a fresh insult. The script is indeed the script, not merely an example. 'Shonen could copy it into her common.js or monobook.js and avoid the pesky button clicking. I also have the clock/purge gadget and saw that it doesn't call the confirm page, but I think that's because it's happening outside of the main part of the page which is made up of wiki-text and so is processed by the MediaWiki software. I don't think it's now possible to call the purge action from within wikitext without the software diverting it to the confirmation dialogue. Phooey. --RexxS (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Move request

A request to change the title and content of a comics article has begun at Talk:X-Men (film series)#Requested move 7 April 2017. Any interested WikiProject:Comics editor may comment there within one week. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi RexxS, I would like to signal this edit: [1]. The page Merano was moved to Meran by Gryffindor. This user had already tried convincing you and others to move the page, but the consensus reached in the talk page (Talk:Meran#Move request) was to keep the page as it was for various reasons. He waited almost a year and then moved the page against the consensus and without asking anyone. I noticed it just yesterday and decided to let you know because you were one of the users who dealt with that issue. I hope that you or someone else will move the page back to its previous name, according to the consensus expressed in the talk page. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.95.8.200 (talk) 12:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi

Hello RexxS and Happy Easter. Would you be able to gift me a lift from the train station on Birmingham New Street to Oxford for the Meetup? Cheers, Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 16:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: Yes, of course I can. I'll email you to sort out the details. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Cheers! Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 23:01, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!

Precious
Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you once more, Gerda. On balance, they have been five good years. I hope you've found them the same. All the best --RexxS (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I found the same. Not all seeds flourished, so I planned for three Easter DYK items and got one, but well, I have the others in my private wishes, pictured ;) - Looking at some recent TFAs, I see progress almost beyond belief: Piano Concerto No. 24 (Mozart) and Crucifix (Cimabue, Santa Croce). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Did you know that I have today the third DYK mentioning hope, in the title even, - the other two are also on my user page. We hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Steve Hassan BLP

It has been thirty days since the citations needed issue at the Steve Hassan bio was discussed. I have offered a suggested edited version this paragraph taking into consideration the absence of reliable sources to support various unsubstantiated claims.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 13:58, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Steven Hassan #Lack of balance. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Not sure if it was you, but someone requested a citation regarding quote by Michael Langone. I provided the citation in detail on the Talk page with book page numbers.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 15:11, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

No, that was me requesting clarification for runs the risk imposing clarity, however subtly which appears to maybe be missing an "of", otherwise I have no idea what it is supposed to mean. I can't find a page number in the ref. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

message from Teresamac63

thanks for all your help today Teresamac63 (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@Teresamac63: Good to meet you too. Have a look at what I've done here to send you a WP:notification. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

please help translate this message into your local language via meta
The 2016 Cure Award
In 2016 you were one of the top ~200 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi RexxS, I assume you inserted the inter-language link in Rebreather as a hint that there is an article on fr: which could be translated or used to find material to create an equivalent article on en:? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:03, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

(watching:) the link is good even before, to make known that a person is notable in a different Wikipedia, coming with a direct link there for people who understand the language. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Peter. I was actually fixing the direct url to fr.wikipedia.org that an IP from Brittany inserted over our red-link in the previous edit. The {{ill}} template is useful because it displays a redlink and links to other Wikipedias as long as our article does not exist. As soon as someone creates it, the template just displays a normal wiki-link. Have a look at the documentation – you're bound to find a use for it sooner or later.
I used the surname alone because our article has displayed his name as Sieur Touboulic since the text was entered. I moved the reference to the end of the sentence because it's still a reference even when it's a footnote and our convention on the placing of references still applies: if it's not controversial, the end of the sentence or paragraph is good enough.
As ever, none of that is crucial. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I see. It looks like a useful template when there is something on another Wikipedia. In this case the fr: article is supported by a source I can't access, so I don't know whether it would be good form to translate it, as my French is nearly non-existent. I will probably just leave it for now. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Uebert Angel

Hey, I was just reminded of Uebert Angel — you remember? I hope you'll help me keep an eye on it when the semi expires on the 25. The edit requests on the talkpage show Angel's followers as determined to add the wildest puffery about his powers of prophecy, world fame, etc. It may well need to be semiprotected for a year or so (well, actually indefinitely, but one doesn't like to do that formally). I hope you noticed the lion on my page — it doesn't like to do anything. Bishonen | talk 22:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC).

I'm trying to work out what unpleasant incident might have triggered your memory of young Uebert, but I've restored him to my watchlist. I see that hardly anybody has edited the article since it was semi-protected, but we can presumably expect the floodgates to re-open a week on Thursday. I'm sure that worthies like Jbh will also help keep an eye on it, and I'm heartened by the number of uninvolved editors who have denied the edit-requests on the talk page.
I did notice the lion on your talk page! and I was considering creating a modified carousel script to make it display a lioness 10% of the time at random - just to see if anybody noticed. The female lion, of course, is the one who does all the work, while the male lies around all day thinking about maybe doing some jobs, mañana. And so it was for me and the script. --RexxS (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
That's an easy one: I've had the article on my watchlist the whole time, very little has happened, as you say, and then recently a, hum, telling edit request turned up on the talkpage and thus on my watchlist. I thought somewhat of commenting there, because I felt I understood what the IP wanted to happen, which the person who responded did not (but then I've seen these characters before, and the commenting editor perhaps hadn't): they wanted for the text they had typed to replace the text currently in the article, preferably all of it. Don't you think so? But in the end I didn't comment; you know how admins are supposed to "de-escalate". (Tell that to Bishzilla.) About a carousel: well, that would be nice, but I'd want a lazy lioness as well. Asleep, perhaps? Because the stretching lion is supposed to represent a bishounen returning from a wikibreak, slooowly deciding it's time to work for maybe an hour. Not actually hunt, you know, but possibly roar at another lion, or so. Kill a few cubs, maybe. (Newbies.) (I think they do that.) Bishonen | talk 13:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC).

How do I feel today

Hi, RexxS, if you have a spare second, would you be so kind as to take a look at this to find out what is wrong? Thank you for your time. (see also How do I feel today if you interested in why I intend to achieve.) Lotje (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've fixed the switch at the top. Regarding the entries, they need to be in Wiki markup (i.e. [[File:Junge Frau mit Taubenpost.jpg|300px]] not File:Junge Frau mit Taubenpost.jpg. ‑ Iridescent 14:30, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you every so much Iridescent, it looks great. Lotje (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
@Lotje: Please excuse me editing your user page; I just fixed a couple of tiny errors and I hope it's working for you now. It does look wonderful. @Iridescent: Thanks for your help - if you're interested in Lua solutions, I made a Lua module at Module:RexxS which has a 'carousel' call - you can see it in action at User talk:Bishonen/Editnotice which displays a different picture every 12 hours for anybody who comes to edit 'Shonen's talk page. There's a call in there that returns a random insult as well: {{#invoke:RexxS|sandyrock}} → You make Vogons look frivolous.
I know enough coding that I can usually figure out what does what in a given bit of code even if I couldn't write it myself, but Lua to me may as well be in Japanese—there's something about it I find totally incomprehensible. ‑ Iridescent 17:34, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
@RexxS, Yes, that looks great. If need be, would you create one for me as well? I'd be much obliged. Lotje (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@Lotje: Sure! I've made one at Module:Lotje. You just use {{#invoke:Lotje|randimg}} which gives
Script error: No such module "Lotje".
I hope you can read the module code, as it's really quite simple to add to the list of images. I've set it up so that you give the full image syntax (so you can set the size as usual). Let me know if you'd prefer a different behaviour. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
RexxS, I made a real mess of all your good work. sorry. Lotje (talk) 07:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
@Lotje: You haven't made a mess at all. I fixed the User:Lotje/1 page for you. Anywhere you want your images you just put {{#invoke:Lotje|randimg}}. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you every so much RexxS, so glad y're hanging around. Lotje (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Ow!

Ow! Yes, Lua is incomprehensible! Why does it look right in edit mode, what went wrong, and will it work? Bishonen | talk 20:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC).

Hmmz, for something that's incomprehensible, you seem to have acquired the skill of editing it quite quickly. It looks right in edit mode because it is right. Nothing went wrong, and it will work. I've moved it up so that it will be the next picture on your page. Feel free to move it again once you've assured yourself that it has worked. --RexxS (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Minor date issue

Hi RexxS. Thanks for your work today on WikidataIB. :-) I'm not sure if it's related or not, but a date I've added to Solar Submillimeter Telescope that is on Wikidata as "April 1999" is showing up in the infobox as "0 April 1999". Not a big issue, but it would be nice to fix it if possible. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: It's related. I needed to manually check the precision and decide on whether to assemble DD-MMMM-YYYY or MMMM-YYYY or just YYYY. Should be done now, but flush your cache to see the change. Thanks for spotting that. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 21:37, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
It looks better, thanks! I'll let you know if I run across any other problems like this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Overlaying two images

Hi RexxS,

At the last Oxford meetup, we discussed the possibility of using a template to present an overlaid pair of images. I've finally got round to my first shot at writing a specification for such a template – it's at User:Maproom/Overlaid_images. I'd be grateful for your comments. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Maproom. I've made a first stab at User:RexxS/Overlaid images, using a couple of images I found on Commons. The combined image is in the Overlay section and it has 8 numbers to set the height & width of the combined image, and the width & both offsets of the two component images. I'm pretty sure I can do the arithmetic required to calculate those given the input parameters that you specify. I'll save that for tomorrow, unless you beat me to it. --RexxS (talk) 23:31, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Update: @Maproom: The User:RexxS/Overlaid images page is now a template with parameters. There are two examples of its use at User talk:RexxS/Overlaid images. Example 2 is probably the kind of thing you're looking for. There are 13 parameters to supply, but I hope they are all obvious. I can wrap the whole thing in a bordered box which can be aligned wherever on a page if desired, but I thought you might want to play with what I've done so far to see how it meets your spec. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 02:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi RexxS, thank you for implementing all this. I hope to find time to test it today. Maproom (talk) 06:59, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

We okay now?

We okay now? No harm done :)? Valoem talk contrib 21:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Sure. I never bear grudges; life's too short. Thank you for your patience and for helping QG with the merge – I know he can be a bit demanding at times, but his heart's in the right place. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 23:22, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Good to hear, QG has been very helpful, apologies for any misunderstanding. Valoem talk contrib 23:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

My apologies

Apparently we edit-conflicted on Bish's talk page. I thought I had left the page, but I inadvertently saved the wrong edit. In doing so, it seems I removed your edit, which certainly wasn't my intention. I'm uncertain as to the correct protocol for handling a botched edit-conflict, so I figured I'd just come here and explain my mistake. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry, Joe, and no need to apologise. It was easily fixed. --RexxS (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Oxford

  • outreach - how to consume wikipedia (how to assess reliability etc) thryduulf 94.117.33.112 (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Editor and content gaps are important areas to consider, but they are separate problems that need to be tackled separately (e.g. focusing recruiting more female editors just to focus on content in traditionally feminine areas doesn't help recruit female editors in STEM fields or male editors interested in e.g. fashion). Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
  • New features being developed and introduced should recognise that the way a newbie, an experienced content editor and a power user copyeditor, will want to edit and interact with the editing interface will be different but all are equally valid. Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

How to teach the newbies not to get reverted. How to best make useful content additions, how to give encouragement to remain with us. What to do if somebody disagrees. --94.118.94.134 (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

The post above was me, but logged-out and not-quite alert. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

hi

This user wants to be your friend.

Wordsighn (talk) 16:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


This user wants to be your arch enemy, and engage in an epic battle to the death

TimothyJosephWood 19:32, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Wordsighn, let me introduce you to Timothyjosephwood. Timothy, this is Wordsighn. --RexxS (talk) 20:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

ok this escalated quickly Wordsighn (talk) 13:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

This user just wants to pick your brains.

Bishonen | talk 15:16, 23 May 2017 (UTC).

Same old story:
Women are only interested in me for my intellect.
If only I were clever instead of good-looking.

--RexxS (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

why my brain? Wordsighn (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Template question

RexxS, I hope you don't mind a template question as I know you're an expert. I just did this since there was no one-parameter version of the delta template -- presumably because since it always relates to isotopes one would expect a minimum of an atomic weight and an atomic symbol. However, the delta for deuterium is rendered δD, which comes out as δD if you don't use the template. The difference is presumably because of the <span class="texhtml"> in the template. In running text (e.g. see Ice_core#Isotopic_analysis) it looks odd to have the two fonts. Is there a better way to fix this than the change I made? E.g. a way to apply spans directly? Thanks for any help or advice. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mike. I'm not an expert in anything, I just dabble with a lot of things. However, I think that you unintentionally included the {{{1}}} parameter inside the <span>...</span> when you made the change in the sandbox. I don't know precisely how the template is meant to be used, but all of the other options (0, 2, 3 parameters) only apply the span (i.e. the change of font) to the δ symbol. I've made a small correction and set up the Template talk:Delta/sandbox talk page to display some examples. Have a look at that and see if it's doing what you intended. If so, then you can easily update the main Template:Delta page. If I've misunderstood, please let me know. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:42, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Well, expert or not, you're good at spotting this sort of thing. Yes, that was an error; thank you. Much appreciated. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:40, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Technical question via email

Bamboo shoot

Hi. Sorry to trouble you, have sent a technical question via email, any assistance greatly appreciated. -- Euryalus (talk) 06:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Euryalus. No trouble, I'm pleased to help wherever I can. I've replied via Email. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
RexxS, if your experiences on Chloe Khan today have ignited a deep rooted ambition to drink wine out of your left shoe; jump into the house swimming pool wearing nothing but a bin liner covered in cat food; or recite the alphabet backwards, in Mongolian, whilst dressed as Donald Trump, in order to win you and the rest of the house a half eaten lettuce leaf and a tin of Alphabetti Spaghetti, then 2018 might be the year for you... CassiantoTalk 20:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind thought, Cassianto. But I think I'll stick with putting a few of these under my fingernails. It's likely to be less painful. --RexxS (talk) 20:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Just to say thanks for all of your valuable comments on this! Mike Peel (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Anytime, of course. But isn't it frustrating?
Opposer
"There's no problem."
Me
"Yes, there is: here's an example."
Opposer
"That's easily solved by testing for that in the code and writing a work-around."
Me
"But that just solves the example, not the general problem."
Opposer
"I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that. There's no problem."
Rinse and repeat. Eventually, I'll give up and put my time into a project that isn't populated by blinkered script-kiddies. --RexxS (talk) 20:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

More brain pickery

Hi RexxS, As you seem to be the go-to guy of the moment for technical questions, I too will trouble you for some advice. Do you know how to code an image so that it occupies a percentage of the width of the page? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I do, Peter, but only for html, not for wiki-syntax, Wikipedia:Extended image syntax.
For html you might use:
<img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Deck_decompression_chamber_PA197922.jpg/1024px-Deck_decompression_chamber_PA197922.jpg" width="30%">
but that doesn't display an image on a wiki-page, because the wikitext is processed and tags like <img> are ignored.
You really want a syntax like
[[File:Deck decompression chamber PA197922.jpg|30%]]
but it's not implemented.
The only way I can think of to code a percentage width for an image on a wiki-page would be to use JavaScript to read the page width and then write the desired percentage of that width to an image that is already displayed using normal wiki-syntax. Wikipedia enables JQuery for use on pages, but it would still be rather messy to make a routine that was guaranteed available to all users. You may have to make a case for why it would be useful to have an image that occupies a percentage of the width of the page. Perhaps some of the talk page stalkers may know of a solution or work-around? --RexxS (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
I see, thanks for the explanation. I suppose Wikivoyage may have an extension to handle this for their page banners. I could not work out how it was done. I will ask over there.
This is for use on another wiki for the Wikimania 2018 website - I have been persuaded to be on the organising committee. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:02, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
PS. They use an extension and as far as I can see it only works for 100% width, so not much use to me. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

about..

this -- please consider removing the comment on the contributor there. It isn't helpful, and mostly it is unhelpful to you (as you know).

More generally... it is difficult for me to work out where QG is coming from after they went through some kind of change at the end of 2015. Based on my experience, I ~think~ they have been looking to take the harder edge off some of our articles on marginal things like chiropractic and moderate them more. Our chiro article does have a bit of an edge. I randomly met a GP yesterday and hung out with him for about an hour. He snorted quietly when someone else mentioned chiropractic and I later asked him what he thought about it and he said something like "I believe it is dangerous nonsense" Turns out he had a niece who got a stroke from a neck manipulation - fully recovered but scared the heck out of everyone in his family and made him regret not trying to talk her out of it beforehand. Anyway I showed him the first paragraph of our article as it stands and as he read his eyebrows went up and he said "wow, this is what i believe but i am very surprised it is so harsh". I ~think~ QG is trying to take the edge off. Not make a glowing article. Jytdog (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Considering QG's record, it's inherently unlikely that he'd be trying to make a glowing article. Bishonen | talk 16:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC).
@Jytdog: Yes, I do understand, but the problem is that QG has been such a staunch defender of evidence-based medicine – and such a harsh opponent of fringe nonsense – for so long, that his attempts to "take the edge off" our article just becomes an open invitation for every POV-pusher to come flooding back and jump at the chance to go much further. He's been so single-minded in arguing about the lead that I've felt I've had to give him a hard time – including the "glowing article" hyperbole – in the hope he'll appreciate the likely consequences of the line he's taking at present. I'll give it a rest for now in any case, and let him have the last word.
Anyway, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend's niece, and truly happy to hear she's recovered. Thank heavens for small mercies, eh? --RexxS (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
QG is still "defending the wall" on other articles and in their own way is still doing it here (see their Talk page note here which is true). It is maddening to be on the other end of the "QG-treatment", I know, and I wish they weren't doing this. Jytdog (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox horse trainer

Template:Infobox horse trainer has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

sfn and Break-up of the Beatles

Regarding your latest reversion in Break-up of the Beatles, O.K., I see it now. I was thinking that there should be a full reference the first time a book is cited and {{sfn}} thereafter, but after reading Help:Shortened footnotes I now see that the full reference is normally given in a separate reference list, as is done in the "Sources" section in Break-up of the Beatles. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Strawberry4Ever: Lol! - I just left you a note on your talk page, trying to explain why I went back to my version. You do sometimes see the full citations mixed in with the other footnotes, but generally most editors like to have two separate sections. It just seemed odd to have a mixture of both. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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