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I can see doing lots of editing for musicians, who have a history of commercial recordings. What's the best example page where this is done well? I assume it'll be a table, and have room for title, year, collaborators, tracks on which they've participated, label and number, commentary, and so on. What's a good example? Here are two sites that vary wildly, which I'd like to bring into some canonical form this coming week (as the musicians will be staying here in my home, so I can make sure to get it right, firsthand): Zuill Bailey -- a mess, and Navah Perlman -- shows some of the details to be represented. ThanksResearcherQ (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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No, I wasn't looking for examples of how to write a good article. I should have used the specific term: discography. What's a fine example of a classical music discography? I think the best model I've seen is Kronos Quartet discography -- should I re-use it as my model, or is there something better? Same question for filmographies: what's the best working model? Thanks in advance ResearcherQ (talk) 18:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Although I owe you a few replies on my talk page when I have the time to give them the full attention they deserve, I did want to bring your immediate attention to Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies. Perhaps that will help. I would ask this question on the Project talk page, you'll probably (hopefully!) get more responses there. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:37, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Geez, thanks -- nah, you don't owe me anything! I've been all over the Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies pages, and can't find what I'm looking for. Maybe all good for 50 Cent or Beyoncé, but not appropriate for doing a thorough classical or jazz discography. I suspect there are Wikipedia pages where this is done superbly -- but I seem to just be stumbling around trying to find them at this point. So, I was hoping someone would say: "use this as your 'best practices' model". Again, this is the best I've stumbled on, Kronos Quartet discography, but I didn't want to put in a bunch of time cloning it, only to discover I'd made a poor newbie choice. Thanks in advance -

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I don't really understand this, RQ. If what you need is someone to say: "use this as your 'best practices' model", then by all means use the Kronos Quartet discography as your bpm. Your "stumblings" around the Discographies Project and several musical articles have already made you more of an expert on the subject than most contributors – to include myself. Are you afraid of it all being a waste of your time? There is a saying on Wikipedia: Be bold! Best of everything to you and yours! – PAINE ELLSWORTH ^CLIMAX! 08:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- what a great line: "Are you afraid of it all being a waste of your time?" Yes! I'm not concerned about my expertise in areas, but very concerned of wasting time doing FORMATTING in a certain way, when there's a better/preferred way to have done it. I consider myself very much an amateur at "best practices" in formatting, and presumed there was a more efficient path than "stumbling around" -- that is, to ask. Still asking -- looking for a strong "USE THIS" (of course, choose wisely, cuz once you point me there, I'll replicate it hundreds of times). It's the idea of "replicating something that's sub-optimal hundreds of times" that is my primary concern. Thanks for hearing me out -- ResearcherQ (talk) 13:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure's all mine, RQ! Here's the thing (and this is something that all of us have to get used to)... Wikipedia is a place where anybody at any time can make edits to our work. Hopefully those edits are improvements. And therein lies the real beauty of this encyclopedia. Other contributors build on our work to make a better body of reference. When seen this way, virtually nothing we do is a waste of time. You do your best with what you have. Get in there and don't concern yourself that it might be a waste of your time. Nor should you worry about breaking Wikipedia. If what you do isn't perfect, then expect somebody to come in and try to make it better. This is not a one-man show, RQ, it's a community effort of staggering proportions. That's not always easy to get used to; however, it can be a most rewarding personal experience! Happy trails! – PAINE ELLSWORTH ^CLIMAX! 13:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"...a most rewarding personal experience" -- I concur -- thanks for your patience, Paine. Observation: I'm taking 700-level-graduate courses at the local university, thus getting involved in class/group projects with the others in class. And, I'm 3 times their age. So, it's interesting to be deeply immersed in how they work (as opposed to their professors) -- and Wikipedia is almost always their first reference, live, in the midst of a class lecture or discussion. Its quality & directness have gained a level of vital importance for the next generation, despite whatever qualms their teachers, mentors, or ancestors may have. ResearcherQ (talk) 15:41, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Glowing words that plunge into the heart of Wikipedia. That's everything it tries to be. Thank you beyond words for those words. – PAINE ELLSWORTH ^CLIMAX! 00:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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" or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org." Thanks, Diannaa -- I've just forwarded the e-mail from Udo to permissions-en -- ResearcherQ (talk) 01:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for this -- very well presented! I want to be adopted! ResearcherQ (talk) 20:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are four users I can remember right now whom I suggest you can talk about adoption - Feel free to contact any of them directly ro be adopted by them - User:Go Phightins!, User:Ryan Vesey, User:Worm That Turned and User:Rcsprinter123. All of them may not be available, so you might have to check which of them are. ALternately, you can also look into the adoption page or the list of adopters for finding the person to mentor you through Wikipedia and its policies.

I hope this helped!

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~~Regarding your AfC, I think Wikipedia:Citing sources could be of use. Wikipedia:Citation templates also appears to be helpful.~~ Struck my last sentence as I found it wasn't very relevant or particularly helpful. I'd missed the references section.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Stephen Hawking happens to be using Journals as both references and publications. I am not sure if thats exactly what you want, but it's worth looking into. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, that link on OrenBochmans's page was red because you did not add Wikipedia: before the Adopt. Because Adopt a user is not an article, it does not belong in the article space. Hence the namespace has to be mentioned. See Wikipedia:Namespace for more info. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now I feel bad -- I should have asked you to adopt me (but you weren't on the page of adopters seeking adoptees). Thanks so much for all -- ResearcherQ (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) You shouldnt. Its absolutely fine, and I am not available for quite some time now either. So I would not have been able to adopt either. You can still mail me if you've anything to ask.

Also, enable Twinkle from your Preferences (Gadgets). That, and ProveIt are one of the most useful scripts to have here. The rest of the scripts are quite optional, but these two make things a lot better.

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TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the Stephen Hawking page, but didn't see what I was looking for. What it did have some publications that were referenced so that commentary could be provided on the publication. I'm looking for publications as references. For example, in the Walker article, the claim in the opening is expertise in VoIP. It seems the reference should be the book written for Cisco. Yet, that book appears as a publication, not as a reference. Should it simply appear in both places (that is, the whole citation is fully replicated)? Thanks - ResearcherQ (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the best practise will be to replicate it fully. That seems to be the most appropriate of all possible options. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since you are a computer programmer, I should also be telling you that there is a lot more you can do here than just create articles. Making scripts is a very useful job here, and if your programming is as good as your general efficiency, you can make a lot of great Bots and scripts. Do tell whether you'll stick with article creation for now, or would you like to try some hands at programming or other stuff too. [Either way, the community is going to be benefitted] TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, thanks for asking. Programming probably won't happen for me here for quite a while -- I feel much more of a need to make Wikipedia deeply helpful and well written. I've been fortunate to have a broad life of deep experiences in art, literature, music, mathematics, physics, biology, and so on -- and I've been keeping a long list for the past few months of topics with embarrassing quality (that is, I came to Wikipedia in search of something particular, and it was missing or wrong or sloppy). For example, one of the world's great painters (truly, my opinion of course), was Joaquin Sorolla, and I've been gratified to start whittling away at the ineptitudes of the English article on him (although the Spanish-language es.Wikipedia pages on him are in much better shape). Sitting here in the midst of writing an academic article on coalescent DNA modeling (waiting for replies from my collaborators). Delighted to be "diving in" -- and thank you again for your patience and kindness -- ResearcherQ (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so. I agree that your work as an article creator here will be of a much higher quality than anything else, but I felt obliged to ask anyways. Since you'll be focusing on articles, ~~do you have any particular articles in mind except the two you're working on, and the one you mentioned? If you don't,~~ Struck. I really should read before I reply, and certainly sleep before its morning already. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC) I really suggest also looking into some from the Wikipedia:Vital articles after you've tried a couple of articles. We have awfully bad coverage of the most important topics on this encyclopedia, and some of them might interest you enough [I personally find it a shame that Sir Isaac Newton is not even a GA class article]. Also, WP:TAFI also has a similar aim, if you might be interested. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Woo -- Wikipedia:Vital articles) is fascinating (sorry you lost me for awhile there). So, the question is to work from truly poor starting places (11.Start-Class article Antônio Carlos Jobim) or to struggle with the book-quality mental effort to make Newton better (why not just go read a good book (or three) on Newton -- I guess I'm an expert in one area, his tenure as Royal Treasurer and pursuer of counterfietors). For now, I'll stick to areas where 1) I'm already an unimpeachable expert, or 2) I came to Wikipedia for knowledge in areas where I'm a dummy -- and failed, and will educate myself by improving those areas. Sleep - ResearcherQ (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. All the best with working with those articles! Do let me know when you finish them!! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 01:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew, do you have a to-do list of things to complete in order to re-submit GTRI as a FAC? I'd like to help you. Here's why I ask... it's the only article about a non-profit Institute that's in the "good-article" list. I'd like to help you bring it up to the highest level, then use it as a model. Here's one place where it could used as a model: Buck Institute for Research on Aging. Thanks -- ResearcherQ (talk) 21:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm concerned, it's ready for another run through FAC, but I have one open for G. Wayne Clough (WP:FAC/G. Wayne Clough/2)... Was actually planning on renominating GTRI sooner or later, so if you're willing to help, we can do it this week and conominate it. There's no guarantee we'll get through the first couple tries but you just have to keep pushing. I'd also like to point out another article that is for a quasi-university attached institute, SRI International - it's GA and I've put a lot of work into it. Disavian (talk) 00:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I really appreciate the SRI reference, as it's "closer" to the Buck Institute in scope *and* locality.

What can I do on either of these to help you? Maybe just a full read and light edit with a fresh set of eyes? Thanks in advance -- ResearcherQ (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a pair of fresh eyes would definitely help. I'd like to nominate both for FAC sooner than later (starting with GTRI), and I'll let you know when I do - ideally this weekend. You're welcome to sign up as a co-nom on those. Disavian (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh -- I can't really get to it until Monday. I have these three people as houseguests all weekend (a good thing!): Navah Perlman, Zuill Bailey, and Philippe Quint. I'll actually spend some time working with them to get their Wikipedia articles in better shape. Proceed without me as you need - back on Monday -- ResearcherQ (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have fun! FAC is not a fast process, you don't have anything to worry about. Disavian (talk) 15:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, forgot to mention: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Georgia Tech Research Institute/archive2. Disavian (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I dont want to be trying to run over on your adoption, but you did seem like the person who would like to learn more from reading through. So I thought maybe I should provide you with these links to give you all the basic reading material you'll probably require for adoption. The specifics will vary based on your adopter, but these are more-or-less the main stuff you should be knowing about. This is the link - User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Lessons

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A couple of points

My research on the adoption program indicates that a number of these some of these lessons lead to "high risk" behavior and lead new users/mentors to drop out during the course or soon after graduation.

I'd be glad to provide some lessons + tests similar to those listed less the problematic ones. The course would take about 2-4 weeks to complete including test and assignments. But I recommend to avoid User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Lessons for the time being.

Secondly I believe that many of these lessons would be wasted on you. As a user you fit a social role called "The Opportunist" defined as a user whose broad experience elsewhere enables him to intuit most of what regular users would have to learn one way or another.

Also in many cases the lessons are supposed to slow down new users so they have a better chance to get acclimatized - I think this would be counter productive and so I prefer a more hands on approach in your case.

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