User talk:Renata3/archive11

On Paper Clips Project

Why cant the students be listed These kids physically counted these paper clips for YEARS. I dont understand. OneMarkus (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Touche! OneMarkus (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday June 1st, Columbia University area Last: 3/16/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, elect a board of directors, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the last meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA Page

I noticed you have an empty old RFA page at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3. Do you plan on using it, or can it be deleted until you decide to run? MBisanz ^talk 20:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Suvalkija etc.

Could you link Suvalkija in the lead of Suwałki Region, and vice versa? I still think the articles should be merged. Do note that neither Polish nor Lithuanian wikis split those concepts.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 09:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

User:75.47.158.106.

This user, whom you recently blocked, is repeatedly inserting nonsense on their talk page, and reverting it again. Wouldn't it be possible to protect or semi-protect the page for a while? The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 04:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply:rewrite

I've reverted my image change, I'm too busy at the moment to design a new image. When time permits, I'll work on it. -- penubag  (talk) 08:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ogonek letters

I did not elaborate on uses in other languages because I don't much about them, not because I'm biased. I did in fact made separate headings for Other Languages (leaving them blank so that people more knowledgeable than I could fill in) so I'm not trying to ignore them Since you're Lithuanian, maybe you could help with those sections?Karath (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Really unacceptable

You wrote
This is a completely empty threat. She did not post anything not already revealed on your own personal website and admitted by yourself on WP:COI noticeboard. Renata (talk) 21:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• I have no idea what the point was of posting my name on the article’s Talk page? What was that supposed to achieve? And why would a third party editor want to put me in an uncomfortable position like that? And what about that preposterous investigation that followed? My name had nothing to do with the article's subject. Naturally, not always do we want our Usernames to be listed with noncontroversial edits. Wiki identities similar to real identities can trigger emotional responses or even a needless exchange regardless of how innocent the new edits might be. Editing contentious articles riddled with POVs is bad enough so please give me some credit. --Poeticbent talk 03:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

From the delivered answers I did not found straight answer, are these IP's edits ([1][2] [3][4][5][6][7] [8][9][10] [11] [12][13][14][15][16] [17][18][19] [20][21][22] and subsequent ones are made by you, Poeticbent? The straight answer, yes or no, will do. M.K. (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems this edit asked similar question, about four possible 3RR violations with IPs, asking "Should you, Poeticbent, deny that you were behind that IP range, please do so now rather than ignore or talk around it", which was answered with removal of the talk section without an answer. -- Matthead  Discuß   12:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Lest sit and wait a bit what Poeticbent will reply to fellow wikipedians, M.K. (talk) 12:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Some insight

I do not know if you aware of it, but this needs additional insight and imput, M.K. (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)p.s. seems that this is Bloom, no? M.K. (talk) 11:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jersika

Jersika was a state and only then a city/castle (see http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersika ) ~~Xil * 16:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

My Editor Review

Thanks for your words of advice :). I do try and use non-templated messages to humanise wikipedia a bit (with the exception of vandals, who aren't worth the two seconds it takes to add the tag) and i've been working on creating articles related to Pure Reason Revolution, a band i'm particularly fond of, and will (as soon as exams are all done with) be creating pages for the Elizabeth Moon series "Vatta's War".

Regarding arv messages in relation to promotional things; thanks! not sarcastically; i was unaware of how to tag userpage material as promotional rather than simply the username. Do you know the procedure for doing so? CSD is all good, but a bit offensive and some material is difficult to categorise. MFD takes too long (although i have used it on occasion when editor consensus is needed to convince the page "owner" that it isn't worth keeping). Ironholds 07:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

They were listed as "open" but then came up as closed when i opened them to comment. What's the process for removing it from the "open" listing then? Ironholds 13:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Veldamas

On 4 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Veldamas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Why are you removing useful maps?

The ones showing voivodeships location in the PLC? They are more useful than the maps showing their location in the lower-level entity (GDL) - although of course the articles should have both.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. We have ample room for both maps, and PLC is at least as useful - for two centuries the voivodeships mattered as part of GDL in a bigger PLC. We don't show US states as part of North and South only... Of course in articles dealing only with GDL history, I'd agree that GDL maps may be more useful and PLC maps are not needed, but in the general voivodeship description, they certainly are. Also, when filling the infoboxes, please don't forget that those voivodeships were part of PLC (so they are not only "voivodeships of GDL" but "voivodeships of GDL and PLC").--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 11:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Image:IRPŻmudzkie.PNG - how so? And are we sure the borders have not changed at some point, and slightly different borders simply show different accurent times? Btw, please see my comment at Talk:Eldership of Samogitia. It was known as Eldership (Starostwo) only from 1413-1441, but for centuries afterwards (and earlier) it was a Duchy.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Любуцк

Lyubutsk now is a village (rural location) Lyubichi 55°01′45″N 39°13′28″E in Lukhovitsky rayon of Moscow oblast, link to the village chirch page (in Russian)

Using Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian rules Любуцк would be Lyubutsk. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

GPA in Eastern Europe

Hi Renata! I just saw that you edited Talk:GPA in Central and Eastern Europe. I couldn't agree more, and that's why I have been standardizing all articles on this subject into the form "Academic grading in <Country Name>". See {{grading}} for a list of the ones I already created/moved.

I am writing you, though, to ask for your help in a more sensitive part of this process, after the renames and other maintenance edits. Please read the message I left Sredni vashtar here and if you are willing to help (I believe the Lithuania case might be the most interesting to you), please be bold! Cheers, Waldir ^talk 22:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

A req

Hi, could you plunder this? I also not sure that cat it should have. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the c/e. M.K. (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:List of useful bots

I have added a section for this at the council page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

How can you justify

Restoring the ref to [23] at Trakai Voivodeship for the name? There is no "Troki Voivodeship" string there. We need a ref for the name in English language publication. It doesn't matter what Lithuanians call it in Lithuanian. For the same reason, I provided English language reference for Troki Voivodeship, despite thousands for województwo trockie in Polish language. This is English, not Lithuanian, not Polish Wikipedia. Please remove this ref (or add it to external links if it is useful) - it does not reference the use of "Trakai Voivodeship" in English literature (shall we find a Spanish publication mentioning it, and add the Spanish name referenced by the Spanish language publication there, too?).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The same way you justify "English" source for Troki. You are right, there is no string "Troki Voivodeship" in the ref; there is, however, "Trakai province (voivodeship)" quoted from a Lithuanian-English dictionary published in 2002. Renata (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:A Lyga seasons

Just to let you know, all football-related templates use the Football box format, which means they can nest into each other. Therefore they should not be converted to navbox, as it messes up the nesting. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move

That's fine, I'm sorry for my mistakes, but I had around 500 page move edits to clean up after. Out of the 500 or so, I see only around 5 had problems. Benkenobi18 (talk) 17:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The changes had been there for 3 weeks. Why didn't the Admins revert the page move vandalism from before? It might seem hasty to you, but nothing was being done, so I fixed it. I am sorry for my mistakes, but I am most disappointed you characterised it as a move war between me and Malleaus. It was nothing of the sort. Consensus was to fix the moves by Malleaus, but no one wanted the "thankless" job of reverting all of them back. I can certainly see why the task is thankless. I half expected a barnstar not censure, but I see where your priorities lie. Still about 96+ percent or so without error. 33/500~Benkenobi18 (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashes

You recently moved Polish-Teutonic War. For the life of me I cannot see what the difference is between the two versions; put me out of my misery, please. :) Abtract (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it had to be that since I could see no difference ... but what was the point? Abtract (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Errors in dashes

Hello again. From a glance at your contributions, I must say that your record is impressive, as far as page-moves are concerned. However, I am sorry to say that it is not flawless. Two things:

• Although similar independent entities, like Polish–Lithuanian and Canada – United States, generally take an en dash, there are special cases like Sino-, Russo-, Greco-, Anglo-, etc., which are prefixes and should be followed by a hyphen. Different grammatical form, you see. I hope you haven't moved too many Russos...
• You do not seem to have applied the results of our consultation session on Polish-Lithuanian-Teutonic War. Why two en dashes? In order to make the distinction between the two parties clearer, the best way to go is Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War.

I feel bad to moderate the success of your undoubtedly very useful edits, but we are all aiming towards the perfect, right? :-) Please reply here. Waltham, The Duke of 06:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved only Russo–Polish War (1654–1667). I do not think that "russo" is the best case here anyway. Feel free to move that one back.

I do not agree that the best way to go is Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War. PL–LT is still the same case as Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and a ton of other PL–LT pages. I do not see any reason why suddenly switch to a hyphen. Plus I do not think that anyone in printed media would switch the dashes around to show who was against who. It feels invented & far-fetched. Renata (talk) 13:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how the English-language sources refer to the war (which is probably the most important factor to consider here), but to me Russo- sounds just fine. I have moved the article back, fixed the redirects, and even done some general copy-editing. Even though you have only made one such move, others have done the same thing, so I am speaking to all who may be reading this: the two important things in using en dashes are grammatical independence of the elements and a clear relationship. Prefixes like Russo are not independent. (Please see WP:DASH for more information.)

"It feels invented & far-fetched." Actually, it is invented exactly because the title is so far-fetched (I'd probably use "extraordinary"). There is no rule for such cases, even in our Manual of Style, which is quite detailed in dash matters in comparison to most real-world Manuals of Style. I shouldn't know that myself, but many frequenters at the MoS would know all about it, and even I have noticed how inconsistent dash usage is in many printed and on-line media. We may be creating a precedent here, so we should choose the option which best describes the subject of the article—that is the fundamental purpose of titles. I refer you to this thread for the rest; the question was dissected by Noetica, one of the style authorities on Wikipedia, to whom I appealed when I realised that this was above my level of expertise. Waltham, The Duke of 01:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the only other articles that start with "Russo" and use en dash are Russo–Angolan relations and Russo–Crimean War (1571). And I don't take blame for the Russo-Swedish War as it was moved in 2006. But you might want to add Anglo, Russo, Greco as examples on WP:DASH.

Yeah, the title itself is invented ("descriptive" when there is no really known proper name). I still don't agree with your solution, sorry :) I do not think that an average reader (i.e. non-nerds :P) would figure out that the hyphen represents an alliance and the en dash represents confrontation. It's too unconventional. But if you really feel strongly about it, feel free to move the article. Renata (talk) 02:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

No, no, I am not blaming you; don't misinterpret my words. I am just saying what you, and others, should pay attention to. About the examples, they might be useful, but I don't know how to integrate them; the section as it is now looks rather clear, at least compared to its previous incarnations that I've seen.

Concerning the title, I am not claiming that a reader should be able to draw such complex conclusions just by seeing the article's name. But it doesn't mean that they cannot draw any conclusions at all, either. I'll put it simply: the Polish and Lithuanian elements are closer to each other than to the Teutonic element, so there should be a hyphen between them, which indicates greater proximity. It's easy enough to see in text that there is a hierarchy of dashes: hyphen, en dash, em dash—each separates more clearly than the previous and indicates a different degree of closeness.

Now, picture a reader unaware of the area's history and ethnology. Seeing Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War (we assume that they will give a moment's thought to the title), they are very likely to see the en dash in the middle and from this deduce that the two combatants are something Polish-Lithuanian and something Teutonic. It's a war, after all, there must be sides. One might also separate the title in half, but they will soon realise that the result makes no sense. On the other hand, an equally ignorant reader seeing Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War will either see three combatants or be completely confused. Do you see my point now? The former title has much greater chances of being read correctly. Waltham, The Duke of 04:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I know you are not blaming me, it's just a figure of speech. I forgot a smiley face. If WP:DASH looks good now I just can imagine how bad it was before... Without some human explanations (from you and others) I would not be able to make heads and tales out of it (and I read tax instructions and tax code for a living)... :) It needs better examples, especially in cases where there are no number. Like I would not know which example would tell me that PL–LT Commonwealth should use en dash (probably the closest is Canada–US border but it looks somehow weird; btw, shouldn't US be dotted? like U.S.?). And re PL-LT-TE War, agree to disagree :) No one (that is except us) is gonna sit and analyze what kind of relationship the dashes represent. If you feel strongly (which I don't) please move wherever you like. Renata (talk) 05:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do about MoS. (Don't worry if nothing happens for a while, though; I have a lot in my head, and this is no piece of cake.)

The trend has been lately to use US instead of U.S., following the pattern of UK; although the former has by no means been displaced, the latter is pretty much preferred when in the same sentence with UK, and in some other contexts. And some people just want to save space, even at the level of dots. :-)

As I do feel strongly about the dashes, I shall move the article. However, I don't like pushing my preferred changes through, and I like to persuade others that I'm right anyway, so I first take the diplomatic route. I couldn't call this one "success" but it has been satisfying in a strictly utilitarian fashion. (sigh)

I guess we'll be in touch. (You are enlightened now, after all, as far as dash usage is concerned. A beacon of style knowledge amongst Wikipedians... :-D I'll seek to widen this knowledge when the opportunity presents itself.) Waltham, The Duke of 06:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian-Soviet War

Perhaps its the unclear description, but Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase I.svg and Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase II.svg indicate that such war took place. In any case, nice maps and I hope you will finish the series with the 1920 year.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'd suggest either redirecting the above red link, or better, creating a dedicated article. Polish-Lithuanian War could use maps of troop movements, too.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Curious: the second maps suggest Lithuanian participation in the Battle of Daugavpils. This is not mentioned in the article. Could you comment? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Another comment: first Polish-Soviet battle occurred near Brest (Battle of Bereza Kartuska (1919)) in February. There was really no Polish-Soviet front in January, although the line itself is probably correct as in "how far the Soviets went by January" (they were not opposed by any regular Polish army, just various self-defense units). The Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase II.svg correctly shows Polish forces moving East from further West (Brest). I think that thus the map would be better showing how far the Soviets did advance by February, before they were pushed back; the January does not represent the situations perfectly (although it is, of course, a useful map by itself). I'd also remove the Curzon line from the first map. Wouldn't a seven month long Lithuanian-Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic be a better entity to put on a map than a month-long Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Civil war in Lithuania (1700)

Comments on naming of that article appreciated on talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Pavlovo

Yup, there is one in Ozyorsky District. I can't tell if it's the same as Lochstädt or not, but if it helps, it is located within five kilometers from Maltsevo (54°22′N 21°43′E), and it seems to be the only Pavlovo in Kaliningrad Oblast.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's entirely possible that some other Pavlovo merged with something else in the past, or was renamed, but, unfortunately, Kaliningrad Oblast is one of the (not so few) areas on which the completness of my data leaves much to be desired. I'm afraid you are starting to overestimate my abilities a bit :) The only thing I can state with 100% certainty is that as of today, Pavlovo above is the only place by that name in Kaliningrad Oblast. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, scratch that. There is another Pavlovo in the vicinity of Baltiysk, but I am not sure if it is currently considered a separate rural locality under jurisdiction of the town or is actually a part of the town itself. It is definitely the same as Lochstädt you are looking for, though (see). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I added both Kaliningrad Oblast entries to the dab page, but I did not create a stub. From what I've been able to find, Pavlovo/Lochstädt was merged into Baltiysk some time between the 1970s and the 1990s (which is why I couldn't find it right away). Locals still seem to refer to it unofficially as a separate settlement, but since officially it's not the case, whatever information one may have on Lochstädt should really go to the Baltiysk article. Myself, I don't really have anything to write about Lochstädt save what I've mentioned in this section, and although I could translate portions from here, I'd rather leave that task to someone who knows both Russian and the history of the area in question (some of the terminology is way over my head—I have no clue who an "amber master"/"янтарный магистр" is supposed to be, for example). Let me know if there is anything else I can help with, though. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is an interesting publication for you, which should help you locate any other places in Kaliningrad Oblast you might need in the future. The work is in Russian, but you should be able to use the appendix (starting on page 16), which contains modern Russian names of all places in Kaliningrad Oblast in column 1 and their pre-1938 names in column 2 (column 3 explains the origins of the name and column 4 contains "proposed Russian names" instead of the current ugly Soviet-inherited ones). This could be used to update/expand the list of inhabited localities in Kaliningrad Oblast, if you are willing to work on that. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cold War

Hi Renata, please have a look at your entry in the Cold War's FAC. Some issues have been resolved and few comments have been added. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Bleep

{{Talkback}}

I've been slow to realise that you needed a reminder. :-) Waltham, The Duke of 09:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Renata3. You have new messages at The Duke of Waltham's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I have taken the liberty to "defuse" the previous template, since you haven't removed it yourself (personally, I avoid deletions from my talk page and prefer keeping everything for archiving). You are supposed to do so, in order to notice new such templates when they appear. Waltham, The Duke of 23:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category q

There's supposed to be a Category:Wars involving the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to match Category:Battles involving the Grand Duchy of Lithuania; but it seems it hasn't been created yet (probably because we don't have many editors working in that area). Please feel free to create it; or I can do it for you, if you prefer. Kirill ^(prof) 01:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Renata3, just wanted to thank you for your greeting, but I'm afraid I don't know how/where to do it. It was a nice surprise. And what a coincidence, I have a special interest in Latvia! So we are almost neighbors -- or might have been. Anyway, I appreciated your kind comment on my page. OttolineLyme (talk) 04:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia errors

A belated thanks for the milk and cookies :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian civil war

We need to create a disambig for at least three events under that title.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian towns

It must be confusing (or just funny) for an English-speaking reader to learn, that for ex. Podbrodzie is a city. Be so kind to look up the definition of a city at The New Shorter Oxford Dict. (or any other one), vol. 1, p. 407, right. Nevertheless, if you want to make readers laught at Lithuanian entries, it's your choise (but I cannot share such a point of view). Best reg. Romuald Wróblewski (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Treaty of Salynas

On 30 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Salynas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

On 1 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Your transclusion trick works like a charm on the List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area (all)‎. bd2412 T 05:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Editing & Conflict of Interest

You placed an interesting tag I never saw before in the discussion of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier. Since the article is about me, I have recused myself from editing it, but I am active in the discussion. The article was created over two years ago and I just discovered it April 19. AS you or anyone else discovering such a thing about yourselves would do, I developed it based on the MoS of the creator. April 19 is recent, but more recently it has come under intense scrutiny and 95% of the information has been relegated to history. I think the two editors, in their haste, went too far and could have re-worked some of the information. I admit it did read like a novel more than an encyclopedia and had to be cleaned up. Now I have to wait for other editors to take an interest and come forward to take the raw information from the history and discussion, improving it so it can be restored to the article.

I asked the two editors who decimated it on their talk page: You were a participant in removing 95% of the content in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier. This was left in "In 1986, to complete his Canada-wide mission, he hitchhiked East to Quebec and the Maritimes.[7][8][9][10]", It may have been an oversight, but that makes no sense without restoring this "In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 [2]. Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey........" I have recused myself from editing the article. Would you please restore this to the article with the newspaper references you also removed? They have not done it as yet.

How long should I wait before I restore it myself? Also, the image of the crowd of people seeming to be unhappy is nominated for deletion. Shouldn't there be some notation in the caption so viewers will know and offer an opinion? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

your review of the Trump Building article

Hi Renata—Good stuff, except that I quailed when I read your request for more linking. Tony the Tiger has been resisting the entreaties of several reviewers to tone down the amount of linking in the article—especially trivial and (as you point out) repeated links. Can you point to items that you think should be linked? I think he doesn't need encouraging on that front, but I'm interested to know.

I suppose you could call me a warrior for the cause of disciplined linking, so it's quite a big deal when a nominator digs heals in and flatly refuses to link intelligently.

He seems to be digging his heals in as a matter of policy, in broad terms, actually. And he has a record of nominating articles prematurely as though a method of improving the article. This is clagging up our meagre reviewing resources. TONY (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Your post starts "Oppose: it needs wikification. There are numerous terms, locations, names, etc. than need linking, while others are linked several times" at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_.28Chicago.29. TONY (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, mea culpa! TONY (talk) 03:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Anna, Grand Duchess of Lithuania DYK

On 8 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anna, Grand Duchess of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! --PeterSymonds (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Pius XII

I appreciated your many improvements in the template, but wanted to restore the pic, without succeeding. So I reverted your changes, and then added your improvements. Thanks--Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

July 10 DYK

On 10 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vaidila, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford ^Pray 05:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Article sizes tool

Cool tool, but does it account for the fact that say Cyrillic letters take 2 bytes and Latin letters only 1? Renata (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I hadn't thought of that at all. I just read what you wrote on the mailing list about it. Now that I think about it there's also the problem of Japanese, for example, taking 3 bytes! I suppose that does affect any analysis of actual sizes, but the idea with the graphs is to show the relative distribution, that is, the shape of the graph, and the actual size doesn't really matter in that regard.

I think it'll be too complicated to vary the graph based on the character length in any given language, so perhaps I'll just include a notice at the top. --bainer (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Treaty of Dubysa

On 12 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Dubysa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384)

On 14 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue

Please see T:TDYK for comments on your comment of my submission of 825 Naval Air Squadron. Benea (talk) 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Nee DYK

Hello! Your point on my DYK entry for Kevin Nee was well-taken. I changed the hook, as per your suggestion. Please re-review and check it if I made the grade. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I just saw that you checked my DYK hook. I greatly appreciate your advice. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue - Viktor Nogin

Acting on your comments on the T:DYK suggestion of Viktor Nogin, I have added some more information with another reference. I must admit that I do not understand the plagiarism comment. The article makes no "false claims of authorship" (definition of plagiarism in its Wikipedia article). All of the information in the article is attributed to the source in accordance with Wiki guidelines and standard journalistic principles. Could you please explain why you believe it is plagiarism and what would need to be done to rectify it. As for source #1 being a Wiki-mirror, you may be correct; I'm not sure which came first, Wikipedia or the Nationmaster Encyclopedia source. In any case, all but one of those references are multi-sourced. If you would like, the Nationmaster source could be removed without affecting the validity of the article. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. FYI, I did not copy and paste the web page. I used it as a reference and wrote the Wiki article text in my own words. Since the information deals with a chronology of events and long names of organizations, of course the Wiki text and the webpage are similar. Most importantly, it is all properly cited and referenced; there are no claims that it is my own work. It would be plagiarism if I did the edits and did not include the reference; that would be claiming it as my own and I didn't do that. I don't believe in plagiarism and campaign against it wherever I can (including with my own kids in high school and college). It would be interesting to get a third opinion. I guess we will have to agree that we disagree and leave it at that. It is sad, though, that the Wikimunity will not get the advantage of learning about this important historical figure via the DYK process. Truthanado (talk) 02:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The article has been rewritten and restructured to address your concerns. Would you take another look please. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Date format changes

There has been a change in the consensus view on linking of dates (see WP:CONTEXT#Dates).

“ Careful consideration of the disadvantages and advantages of the autoformatting mechanism should be made before applying it: the mechanism does not work for the vast majority of readers, such as unregistered users and registered users who have not made a setting, and can affect readability and appearance if there are already numerous high-value links in the text. ”

Since autoformatting benefits only a small number of users and it's a distraction for most readers, I'm unlinking dates whenever I'm making other improvements to articles. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I see the news are spreading like wildfire... Just be careful of applying consistency across the article, and all will be fine. I know the evils of auto-formatting first-hand, and I am actually preparing an essay on the subject, which is going very well and will be finished very soon.

On another note, still in the style area, people might be interested in this. I did not reply to your last message in my talk page, Renata, because I intended to create a page with some examples on dash usage, for easy reference. I wanted to reply with actions than with words. :-) This is much better, and I'm glad I hadn't started with mine (too busy), which would have been time wasted for me.

By the way: the mixed-descent hyphenation issue seems to have been settled, at last: [24]. I particularly recommend the block quotation. Waltham, The Duke of 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Amateur Station Operator's Certificate

Hi! I have withdrawn the request. I have replied to some of your queries there, but it seems unlikely that smaller, newer articles can meet DYKs now stringent guidelines. I'll take a shot at another article though. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian student corps

Somehow 'blatant copyright infringement' seems like a harsh description. I did not write the article, it was a section of the article 'Corporations (university)'. I just cut it loose to be its own article. I don't know where it is from, or care.P22575R15 (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sąjūdis old-timers

Hi, Renata3!

I appreciate your editing of Virgilijus Čepaitis page, referred to from Sąjūdis. Like you, I am from Lithuania. Unlike you, I am not a person of the year, nor do I have the energy which is flowing from your pages. Also, I live in Australia, far from the centre of the universe that NYorkers often assume to be the NY city. I have lived here for over half a century. My (outdated) personal details are in my home page - just in case you have spare energy to look at it: http://akabaila.pcug.org.au.

Čepaitis is an interesting person, who never climbed the steep slopes of fame and prominence. As the former executive secretary of Sąjūdis he collected a wealth of information about the struggle of Lithuania in the late 80's and early 90's. His book "Su Sąjūdžiu už Lietuvą" ISBN 9986-476-41-0, "Tvermė" 2007, has a large collection of facts and impressions from that time. BTW, the slogan "Su Sąjūdžiu už Lietuvą" is one of his contributions to success of "The Movement".

I had a small part in the Movement by representing it in Australia on the invitation of "Sąjūdis" chairperson, Vytautas Landsbergis. I should some day describe some of the details that are not generally known. It would be good to do that before my "final departure" (I am 83 years old. Hopefully still of sound mind...). BTW, I was lucky to spend a few months in Vilnius in 1989 when my brother Vytenis Kabaila, a Mathematics professor of the University of Vilnius was still alive. It was an exciting time for my first visit to Lithuania in half a century, with the occupational grip of USSR clearly weakening. My wife Vida and I had an unforgettable experience of standing in the "Baltic Way", joining Vilnius to Tallinn with a human continuous chain of hands. The memory will live with me as long as I will.

Recently by email I asked V Čepaitis to give me permission to use his book for some free translation of sections of it. He did so generously. He does have some health problems now, having suffered "minor stroke" or "strokes". IMHO, there is nothing minor about a stroke, any stroke... Hopefully, he will continue in his quiet, unassuming way to contribute to Lithuania's awakening as a democratic and free society.

I think your editorial cuts have made the little article more readable and I thank you for it.

Algimantas.

OldAl (talk) 11:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Errata Britannicae

Sveika! Couldn't help noticing EB's description of Vilnius has not improved! (Responding here is fine!) Wonder if Rīga is any better (or worse)! —PētersV (talk) 14:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I emailed you the article for your judgment. I can only say that Riga has 4 photos while Vilnius only one... :) Renata (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Nom

I reviewed your nom for 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania and promoted it to GA! Congrats! Intothewoods29 (talk) 21:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian city municipalities

Hi, I've noticed that you started to remove articles on the city municipalities. Not that I'm objecting, just it would be a bit more clear, if a section about municipality would be added to the city article. Let me know, what do you think.--Lokyz (talk) 13:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Seeking information on my homeland as I'm a 'lost' Lithuanian

Sorry for using the forum but I don't have a clue as how to write you directly. I see you and I come from the same county. My Father came over with his parents who were translators on immigrant ships back around the turn of the century. All I have is their immigration papers as they as all gone now. Our branch of the family lost touch with those left behind and I wish to research my family roots.

Will you please point me in the right direction as how to go about searching? I wrote the embassy but did not even get a reply.

Charles Stanton (Anglicized) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.59.106 (talk) 21:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Move

Could you move this to its permanent place. Thanks, M.K. (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic

Greetings! You are invited to attend the second annual New York picnic on August 24! This year, it will be taking place in the Long Meadow of Prospect Park in Brooklyn. If you plan on coming, please sign up and be sure to bring something! Please be sure to come!
You have received this automated delivery because your name was on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 20:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The community template portal thing

G'day Renata... I think you may have misread the 'Wikipedia Weekly' portal thing a bit (it's easy to do - I didn't get it for quite a while....) - but their latest ep. is actually quite current - it just fits under the general 'Wikimania' umbrella... could you take another look, and maybe pop it back if you agree? thanks... Privatemusings (talk) 04:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox in Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

Hi R3S1. This infobox is arranged a bit oddly, ar ne? Novickas (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC) D'oh -I see the logic in it now. Never mind. Novickas (talk) 13:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review of Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have completed the GA review of Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392), with the full review being located at Talk:Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)/GA1. I have put the article on hold to allow time to address the few minor concerns I found. If you have any questions, please let me know on the review page or on my talk page. Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Flatwater racing world championships template spacing

I saw that you adjusted the ICF Flatwater Racing World Championships template, changing it from stars to dots which I do not object. The question I have is regarding ths spacing between the year and the dot. Does the dot that is in the template already give it a space? When I looked at the template without the space and the adjustemnt I did with the space, I could not tell the difference. Chris (talk) 16:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense. Thanks. Chris (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice map

Have you seen this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not easy to read, but it's possible. I think it has a few more lines than we have currently. In any case, your map is better than Image:Border-Lithuania-Poland-1919-1939.svg - I've pointed some errors on its talk months ago. Should we obsolete it and replace it with your new work? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The lines: confusing as hell, I can't figure out the difference. PS. There is some useful background material for 1919 in Sejny Uprising. PSS. I am reading Łossowski, I cannot find much info on 1) negotiations between May 28 and June 11 1919 (when, by whom, where? - Łossowski p.38-41 covers the negotiations in April-late May, and than - with LoN negotiations in the bacground - only mentions negotiations in early August). I also cannot find any mentions of Polish attacks on July 29 and August 2 (he talks about some around Jew without a date, at a time Poles cooperated with Lit against the Soviets, and mentions a Polish attack on Lithuanians on 23-25 July in Merecz). Could you expand on those (or at least let me know on talk)? PSSS. Łossowski (p.48) notes that while Lithuanian side exaggerated the extent of the hostilities (in press, reports, diplomacy) there was no real frontline, there were no battles but squabbles and quarrels with no significant casualties. On p.47 he gives examples of cooperation between Polish and Lithuanian forces against the Soviets. He notes that in the north, were both P and L fought the Soviets, the relations were relatively good, but hostilities occured in the south, in the vaccum left by the retreating/defeated Soviets. This is why I don't support calling the 1919 events a war (a skirmish in the south and fighting together 100k in the north - not a war...).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: the negotiations - I am confused: Lithuanians negotiated with Lithuanians? Or would your Lithuanian source Lithuanize the names of the Polish delegates (S. Staniševskis (Vice-Minister of Defense) - was he Polish or Lithuanian)? PS. I am not disputing that Poles advanced - the map makes it clear - but according to Łossowski it was not a proper war, more like "Poles threaten - Lithuanians retreat - Poles advance".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I see. I guess that's an unfortunate feature of Lithuanian historiography - Łossowski, for example, gives Lithuanian names for Lithuanian people (including the Lithuanian diacritics). Not that Polish historiography is perfect - it tends to polonize some Russian names, for example... but I am getting OT. In any case, I posted a suggestion on LSW article; I suggest we try to keep the Polish angle in Polish-Lithuanian war article to avoid confusion.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

OT: For the record, this is what we do in Polish: add Polish endings to foreign names, so we get something like "Polski premier witał prezydenta Adamkusa".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

1963 Gabon

Go ahead, e-mail me--it's enabled. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 16:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm that's odd--I know I enabled it. I'll email you now. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 17:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't download the file because my computer didn't recognise it. Is there any way you can send it as a PDF? --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 18:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Renata3, for giving me those PDFs. Using them, I have been able to add a few KBs of content. While regrettfully there was no information of the planning of the coup, there was plenty on the aftermath. Again, thank you. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 22:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It is. I e-mailed you using Special:Emailuser. This is very strange. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 01:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

trixbox

I'm sorry but I do not understand how the trixbox page was classified as blatant advertising when it is very similar to the Elastix and FreeSwitch pages which are allowed to stay. I was working with Josh to make sure I adhered to all guidelines and I would like to know where I was out of line and the other projects are not. Thanks. Kerrygarrison (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand your position but when I take existing pages to use as a template that have past scrutiny in the past then it is also reasonable that the information I present be given the same treatment. If you are to take my information down based on your interpretation of the guidelines then you should be bound to remove the others I have pointed out for the same infractions else it appears there is favoritism or something else at work to allow others to continue and ours not to. Kerrygarrison (talk) 22:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for input

I mentioned Sejny Uprising article earlier as containing some interesting info. In the meantime, another dispute has arose on its talk - could you perhaps comment at Talk:Sejny_Uprising#Same_old_business_again? I've requested an RfC, but you are more familiar with the issue and editors involved than some random RfCer, and perhaps could offer valuable insight? If we could resolve this issue, I believe this article would qualify for a B-class. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

		The Epic Barnstar
		For unwavering quality contributions to historical articles, with good references, maps and visible neutrality, I am proud to present you with the Epic Barnstar. If all editors would be up to your standards, Wikipedia would be a much better place. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Lithuania templates

Hi. If Lithuania templates accepts navbox template pages as well as other template types' categories, a redundant category level is eliminated:

• Lithuania templates

  navbox template pages here and other template types' categories

  • Lithuania infobox templates
  • Lithuania stub templates
  • etc

...rather than:

• Lithuania templates

  contains nothing apart from category links

  • Lithuania infobox templates
  • Lithuania navbox templates ← extra category level

    navbox template pages here

  • Lithuania stub templates
  • etc

Why navboxes? They're the most widely/commonly-used templates in articles.

Hope all this helps. Sardanaphalus (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hope it'll be okay for me to finish recategorizing the templates left in Lithuanian navigational boxes. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks. Hopefully someday you'll approve. Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

A lot of work

Could you help me with my anglų kalba čia. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

LT Governments

An impressive work:) --Lokyz (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Lithuania

I've created Mongol invasion of Poland, and in the process removed a mention of Mongol invasion of Lithuania from Timeline of Mongol conquests, since it was piped over non-Lithuanian battle of Legnica. But perhaps I am wrong and there was a notable Mongol invasion of Lithuania? If so, you may want to correct my edit and stub that article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Southern Gospel Choir page

Hi Renata, thanks for helping out with the page I created... I am new to Wikipedia editing so yeah, I just wanted to ask why the stub template was misplaced?

Thanks! PanachePizazz (talk) 12:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh right, thanks. These things I was not aware of, I find all the help articles and stuff here rather difficult to navigate... so I thought, hmm, ok, I'll copy paste the code from another article :P lesson learnt, thanks! PanachePizazz (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dashes (ugh)

Thanks For what it's worth, I would like to emphasize that I had no role at all in coming up with this standard. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure And thanks to you as well; it's not an easy burden I bring upon myself... There are literally thousands of pagemoves that I know to make and I'm in the long process of doing them. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Renata, I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction to challenge the speedy deletion of Hammes Company. I guess some users don't look to see if changes were made, but the article has been completely redone. Is there any chance you could add your opinion to this deletion review of Hammes Company? It'd be appreciated. Sharnden (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

On 9 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice my comment at Talk:Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Eišiškės

On 10 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eišiškės, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

revisit Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état

Hi Renata3,

I remember you from many moons ago—I made a barnstar or two for WikiProject Lithuania, and you did some copy editing/reviewing of Taiwanese aborigines for its FAC. I also rememebr that your comments were quite useful. :-)

Anyhow, I've left some comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état. You voted on its previous FAC, but not this second one. If you have time, I wonder if you would visit the new FAC? Thanks, Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 00:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Insight Needed

Hi Renata3,

I'm new to Wikipedia and am working to get my head wrapped around all its parts. I work in communications for GE and noticed that last year you deleted a page on John Rice, a GE vice chairman. I'm not necessarily looking to recreate that page just wondering, for future reference if/when I ever edit anything, why was it deleted?

Thanks! Mmparker (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)--Mmparker (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Culture of Lithuania

Hi, Retana3. I am updating this page in my sandbox, and am researching the Lithuanian culture. Is this a good site (http://www.cp-pc.ca/english/lithuania/holidays.html) for research? And, can you point me to some background on the Lithuanian culture? Thanks. miranda 05:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Lithuanians

Dear Renata, I noticed that there are no Lithuanian language versions of the English language articles Lithuanians in Chicago, Adolfas Valeška and Holy Cross in Chicago. Would you possibly be interested in translating them into Lithuanian or someone you know?--Orestek (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kildare2 (talk) 17:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Renata3:

I am requesting that you forward a copy to me of the recent page you speedily deleted titled 'Firestarter Racing Mini Monster (Truck)' On September 14, 2008 and please note that I have requested that your decision to delete this page be overturned. In your reasoning you stated that this page was deleted because it discussed a person who was not noteworthy, when in fact if you read the page you would have realized that it is not about a person at all, but a newly developed monster truck. I'm sure you realize that there are countless entries on specific monster trucks on Wikipedia (just type list of monster trucks in the search field) to delete this one simply because it is new is discrimination at best.

Thank you.

Pertaining To The Speedy Deletion Of Page Titled 'Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)

Renata3:

Apparently I need to post to my own talk page in an effort to dispute your decision to speedily delete my page titled 'Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)' and I must say, I have read the comments of other administrators pertaining to the manner you handled this matter, and I find it troubling. As an administrator I assume that you are expected to enforce the rules of Wikipedia, and yet you don't seem to follow them yourself. In fact, you denied me my due process and became judge, jury and executioner all in one...apparently your efforts to change your self proclaimed 'deletionist' ways aren't going so well. As well, I expect you did all this pertaining to a topic which I'm quite sure you know nothing about, which brings me to my next point.

As far of the relevance of my truck is concerned, let me bring to your attention some information which you may be able to use to make a more informed decision. Aside from being an absolutely unique and original hand built one of a kind vehicle, it was created with the assistance of a gentleman named Steve Combs. Steve is not only a monster truck veteran, but one of the inventors of the nitrogen charged shock, and his product is used on practically every professional monster truck racing team, including such greats as Grave Digger. According to 'Monster Trucks' by Scott Johnston:

"Today, the Combs racing shock is one of the most common components found on a Monster Truck, perhaps second only to the terra tire." (Pg. 226)

Do you really believe he'd be wasting his time on something as 'irrelevant' as the Firestarter truck? To even entertain the thought that after the hours, experience and cost involved, that this vehicle is not noteworthy only exposes your ignorance to the topic. The fact is, you're looking at an authentic one of a kind vehicle - the first of it's kind before it makes it's debut - and you don't know enough on the topic to recognize it's importance in the industry.

If anything, I am only guilty of being proactive in posting this article before attending my first major event, and understand that contractually I am not able to disclose any information at this time. It was my hope that when the event is announced, that those interested could find out more about the truck before attending...isn't that why an encyclopedia is used, to do research?

I would like the courtesy of being involved in the dispution process, as I was denied access to appropriate procedure the first time this page was posted. A good first start would be if I could be provided with a copy of the page you deleted so that it can be reposted with my concerns.

Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kildare2 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the above editor has started a discussion at WP:ANI about this situation. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Administrative division of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Hi Renata, I'm posting it here since I've seen you've been active contributor, feel free to spread the question around among Lithuanian editors who might be interested in the subject.

Can you guys help me out with this, first of all- how do you call Duchy of Livonia (1561–1621) in Lithuanian since it was a Lithuanian duchy at first it would be appropriate to have Lithuanian name included I think. And also, could you take a look at Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board that I've posted on the subject and let me know what you think. I'd clean the subject up, I found a good source that's written in Polish but I'd need the Lithuanian names for appropriate subdivisions also included. Also, do you have any ideas how do they call those Voivodeships most commonly in English? I've seen principality used but I have no idea if district should be more appropriate or do you think Voivodeship is still most common term used in English? thanks!--Termer (talk) 05:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Please accept my apologies for my tardiness in replying. Thank you for the advice about referencing. I must confess that I am not the most computer literate person in the world, so I been rather clumsy with the keyboard, plus I am always the articles such as Massigli and Goerdeler are at present works in progress, so I am constantly re-arranging those articles as I seek to improve them, so until they are done, I am not quite sure about when to start introducing the abbreviated references. But thank you very much for all your help, and thank you for all your compliments! --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Jurgis Tiškevičius/Jerzy Tyszkiewicz

Do you think you could translate more on him from lt wiki? Also, I wonder if lt wiki has any information on his predecessor (Merkelis Geišas/Melchior)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer vandal

Thank you for blocking the Pioneer vandal. He did cause some more damage today, on several pages. I am not sure if he has been totally reverted on all pages. Is he by any chance the same as Eurovisionman? I wonder.... He may really have several personalities and suffer from psychological problems. But there needs to be a better way to stop him sooner. History2007 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he is persistent, but also deeply obsessed with specific issues in this personality. So he is easy to see in this persona, but he probably has other personas. I will let you know when I notice him again. Cheers History2007 (talk) 03:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Stuff

Thanks a bunch for the stuff—definitely not a waste! While I can find/source pretty much anything with what I already have, it's the stuff in English that's really hard to come by for me, so these will definitely find their use as sources. If there's any way I can return the favor, don't hesitate to let me know (I know you wouldn't :)). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan

Wikis Take Manhattan Next: Saturday September 27

WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
• Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:

• Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project

349 W. 12th St. #3

Between Greenwich & Washington Streets

By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

FOR UPDATES

Check out:

• Wikis Take Manhattan main website

This will have a posting if the event is delayed due to weather or other exigency.

Thanks,

Pharos

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
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cities subpage

Your subpage User:Renata3/cities is activating a coordinate exception because, somewhere in all those transclusions is a coordinate containing a seconds field of 60 or more. With all the "title" coordinates transcluded together it collectively makes a dark blue "stain" at the top right of that page. Is this page useful? Can it be deactivated? Better yet, figure out how all those articles being transcluded don't themselves become coordinate exceptions. —EncMstr (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Good Evening, please, can you translate in Lithuanian the article Martin Weinek and Kaspar Capparoni? Thanks in advance!

Good evening to you and regards from Campora San Giovanni. I write you regarding the articles of a note police television series: Inspector Rex. For better saying some principal actors of the international series. Martin Weinek and Kaspar Capparoni. Weinek is the veteran of the Austrian series, now real member of the series international, as well as excellent agricultural and theatrical entrepreneur and an experienced wine-grower. Capparoni is the new entry of the series, but he has already worked and he works for international productions and with famous directors, I quote among everybody: Dario Argento. I think that the series will arrive within the winter 2008 thanks also to Rai International, that will be transmitted in 150 countries and in more than 60 languages, among which the Lithuanian. Naturally if you will help me in this, me ricamberò really the favor translating a biography or a geographical article in Italian and Sicilian. In fact on the Italian edition they are biographer and geographer. In attends him of one certain answer of yours I thank you in advance and I greet you from Campora San Giovanni, my village native. Thanks still for the patience and the understanding.--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the Vladas Česiūnas article. It is DYK now. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Request

Your comments, questions, tapdances, etc would be welcome here. Novickas (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Kazys Varnelis

On 2 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kazys Varnelis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian minority in Poland

I'm going to remove the phrase prohibition to speak Lithuanian ... (on phone until in the fall of communism in 1990), because it's absurd. I have written about this problem in Talk:Lithuanian minority in Poland and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lithuania. I don't like to start a revert war, but quoting such lies is a bad practice.Xx236 (talk) 09:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Would you be so kind to answer me?Xx236 (talk) 06:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

A number of Lithuanian editors is hostile toward me, Polish editors, Polish nation. Recently at least two of them joined the hunt on Piotrus. BTW You also, being very busy, joined the hunt.

The text quoted in the article contains Lithuanian POV and false informations. The author is a Lithuanian acdemician. We have also a number of ignorants and nationalists in Polish universities, but I don't quote them.

My edits in Lithuania related articles are frequently removed by hostile Lithuanian editors. I don't like to start a next revert war. The statement I quoted above is obviously false. If some Lithuanian editors believe any anti-Polish lies, it's their problem. Xx236 (talk) 08:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

To not bash Piotrus if you don't have time and to ask your colleagues to not impose absurd stories in Lithuanian minority in Poland', if you have time.Xx236 (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

ur msg

i wasnt tryin to get

rid of it at all.. i jus dunno how it is to b used properly

Culture of Lithuania

This article is almost finished, but three more sections are needed for the article to be complete. Since I did 1/2 to 2/3 of the article writing, I suggest that $25 to $30 go to the Susan G. Komen Foundation at this link. Thanks. miranda 22:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

On removing the information about the Synodik of Liubech

is there any sufficient reason you're removing from the article House of Gediminas (as ed. by 195.182.77.192 at 09:16, 18 October 2007) the information about the Synodik of Liubech, with the reference to R. Zotov's study? you're doing it for the wrong reason if you're doing it only because of your dislike for "Tsarist" historians.

jei jau pačiai taip sunku patikėti, kad "Zadonščinoje" paminėtas Gedimino tėvas "Skalmantas" yra tapatus įv. kt. šaltiniuose minimam "Koma(n)tui"-"Skomantui", o kartu -- ir Gedimino "žento" Andriejaus Mstislavičiaus Kozelskiečio uošviui Gomantui -- tai ir netikėk, tik, būk maloni, laisvu laiku pasiskaityk šį projektą ir pasistenk išsiaiškinti, kurių galų tose taisyklėse, skyr. "When a source is needed" siūloma bibliografiškai grįsti "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by mainstream sources."

enlighten me please on the following: for what a hell the instruction page Wikipedia:When to cite bears the recommendation for citing references relevant to "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by mainstream sources"?// -- Gugutis (talk) 12:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

For those of us who have far too many pages on our watchlist, more of us can be helpful when it's in English (notwithstanding you're "not asking for much," if I'm mapping properly into Latvian). :-) PētersV (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian kingdom or Lithuanian duchy

Hello,

I have made some editing in the Wikipedia's article about grand duchy of Lithuania. My main goal was to show that the name Grand duchy of Lithuania is a historical mistake. There are two reasons why this mistake appeared: 1. In all time Lithuanians called the country "didi kunigiste Letuvos" somewhere in the 19/20th century the name was changed to 'kunigaikstyste' in order to differ lithuanian word for catholic priest and king. Etimologicaly kunigaikstis is a son of kunigas (small kunigas). In english the son of king according to Anglonas dictionary is duke or prince. 2. In all time in the western europe before the Lublin union Lithuanian kunigas was translated as rex or koenig but not duke or foerst. In order to prove that I am qouting Teutonical - Lithuanian pacts. The Teutonic-Lithuanian pacts are published in Codex Diplom. Lithuan., op. cit., pp. 53-69. The citations from the chronicles are found as follows: 1385 - Annalista Thorunensis: Jagel ducem Lituanorum; Detmar; koninge van Lettowen; Posilge: Jagil, den koning von Littowin - Script. Rer. Pruss., op. cit., vol. III, p. 142. 1399 - Detmar: Coning Witant eder Alexander van Littowen - Scr. Rer. Pruss., vol. III. p.229. 1410 - Magdeburger Schoffenchronik: Wytolde... den koning van Littowen - Scr. Rer. Pruss., vol. III, p.413; Johhan Staindel: Witoldo rege una cum fratre suo rege poloniae - Ibid.,p.419; Wisby Diarium: Witholdum regem Litfanie - Ibid., p.459.. On the other hand all polish - lithuanian pacts after the Lublin union is calling rulers of Lithuania dux but that is explainable by the fact that polishes allways wanted to stress that Lithuania's rulers are vasals of the kings of the Commonwelth so we as historians can't use their documents as something objective.

So to conclude I just want to say that if you are leaving my qoute on the article grand duchy of Lithuania you should also agree to change the articles name in to grand kingdom of Lithuania because kunigas (kauningas), konig, koenig and king are the same origin word with the same meaning - war (kautynes) leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

if i would

1. I think wikipedia finds real documents more reliable than historitians subjective opinion and the most valuable documents are those that are written by objective authors? As I was saying polish authors at that time were subjective because they were trying to stress Lithuanian rulers as vasals of Commonwelth's kings. So the most objective documents are those from Teutonic ordin because Poland and Teutonics were the western countrys we had the most of contacts with and they shall be trusted as people that had known the sistem of noblemen names of Europe best and this can't be told about slavic countries with wich we also had lots of contacts because they were more asia than western Europe. As I was saying I was qouting not one but at least five different documents. 2. Would u be satisfied if I were to qoute 5 Lithuanian historitians proclaiming the same fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 08:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah i gues those moreons that were burning Copernicus said the same: all that are doubting bible will burn in hell . as Loyola said: if church tells me that sky is hell and hell is sky i shall not doubt that. thats a real progress spirit... —

But that is what i am talking about. Wikipedia is a colection of already discovered facts and knowledges. But I am qouting well known Lithuanian historitians and well known facts and you disagree with me and rather want to count on historitians that did not do any studies on the subject of Lithuania's grand kingdom's name? I don't understand. As i know in wikipedia all the facts has to be based on original sources and I don't see any qoute from your side about Lithuania's status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Additional on Poeticbent

Likely largescale copyvio here (or plagiarism). Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 23:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

It's that time of year again

I've created Soviet repressions. Currently, it is just a stub, but it's an important and well-documented topic, so it should have no trouble at all.

You've been working on related topics before — perhaps you'd like to help? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 17:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: You are invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday November 16th, Columbia University area Last: 6/01/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, finalize and approve bylaws, interact with representatives from the Software Freedom Law Center, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the June meeting's minutes and the September meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikis Take Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wikipedia Loves Art! bonanza, being planned with the Brooklyn Museum for February.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

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Tyszkiewicz

Hello Renata, I have understood that you reversed my indication that Basil Tyszkiewicz-Kalenicki was the great-grandson of Manvydas. Please let me know why you did this (if you was the one who reversed my indication ). I have got proof from GOTHA edition 1855.

All the best, Gabriele Kalenski

You ought to use arguments and not just simply do what ever you want

Why do you keep changing my corections though I have normal arguments and you don't have or don't want to tell them.

word pagan in intolerant term the same as niger. I will qoute contemporary reliogion's dictionary: Most modern Pagan sources interpret the word to have meant "rustic," "hick," or "country bumpkin" -- a pejorative term. The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, outmoded Pagan beliefs. Those in the country were much slower in adopting the new religion of Christianity than were the city folks. They still followed the Greek state religion, Roman state religion, Mithraism, various mystery religions, etc., long after those in urban areas had converted.

So maby we should call them simply "bumpkins" not pagans. Why to bother translating the word to latin? Lets just use english word so that everybody would understand the meaning.

The religion that was used in our region ought to be called aryan because it describes it perfectly. All the aryan (indo-european) tribes used the same religion. Other variant though you will not like it is sarmatian religion. This is the newer theory which is based mostly on Ptolemayes work Cosmographie and Munsters corections and many others not so well known cartographers works. Also on Tacitas' and Herodotus' works. All these sources the region on modern Lithuania Poland Ukraine Belarus Prusia (still occupied by russians and called Kaliningrad for the grory of Slalins' friend general Kalinin) and european Russia call Sarmatia Europea. And though there is still a discusion among historitians was it realy a county most of them agree that it was at least a region with united religion and culture with the religious center in iseland of Rugen (Rugija).