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Thank you for helping to quell the sockpuppetry here. I would like to ask, though -- should we really be tagging the sockpuppets in this case? This seems to be LTA trolling territory, and I think not tagging would be better per WP:DENY, though I would like to hear your input as an administrator. Thanks, JeffSpaceman (talk) 10:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@JeffSpaceman: They help to judge whether a newly-discovered suspect is the same individual as the other offenders. By setting up the category page as the link, we can compare aditing patterns. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I discussed this at a different admin talk page (here, if you want to take a look), and it basically came to the exact same conclusion. I do get what both of you mean, and I'm happy to hear your perspective as an administrator. JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Doctor Who/doc

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Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Underwater diving/doc

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Waiting for sun rise Vmworld21 (talk) 10:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

hab/cot

Thanks for this, Redrose64. I didn't realise it was actually "improper"  :) but could you clarify the differences in the two templates for that kind of situation? I've never really considered it, but if asked, I would probably assume them to be interchangeable. Thoughts? SerialNumber54129 18:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Apart from the colour, there's no difference until you go for the "show" link. At that point, {{hat}} says "The following discussion has been closed", {{cot}} doesn't. The red colour and the message suggest "nothing to see here, collapse it again and move on", but in the place you were using it, it's very much a relevant part of a keep vote. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Right, I see. Never even realised that! Thanks for the info, I'll bear that in mind for the future. SerialNumber54129 20:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for reverting your edit to my RfC request on Talk:Australian Survivor

I didn't realise you reverted it until just now, I thought I had signed twice by mistake, that's why I removed the inital signature, now I understand why you did it, because it needs to be brief and because the RfC page can't accept tables.</MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 10:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

LB&SCR E2 Class

The R and RP templates were already in use, as can be seen in the last version prior to @Trainsfan13’s edits - how do their edits violate CITEVAR if they’re using templates that were already in use? Danners430 (talk) 15:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Only since this edit, which I would have partially-reverted if I had spotted it at the time that it happened. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

An, that was a while ago so I forgot about it

I have to ask though - since there appears to be no way whatsoever to alter the citation variation (and by the way it appears I followed the process discussed with that edit - make the edit, and since it didn’t get reverted there wasn’t a problem), what IS the process if someone feels a different variation of citations is better? At the moment it does almost feel like people gatekeeping such changes and completely barring them… Danners430 (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Start a discussion on the article's talk page. Demonstrate that the referencing method(s) used in the article as it currently stands are unsatisfactory. Present evidence that your preferred method is more suitable to the article than current methods. Be prepared to discuss with anybody else who comes in. You may attract the attention of others by leaving a note at e.g. WT:UKRAIL (also the talk pages of other WikiProjects whose banners are at the top of the talk page) inviting people to comment - templates such as {{fyi}} and {{subst:please see}} are available for this. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ribble Valley Line

Since your last amendment on this template, someone has deleted Goosehouse railway station that was stated to have been opened 1847-1849.

I am sure that you, with your deep knowledge of the area in question, would have made that change already if you had any reason to doubt its validity, so can you please reinstate it.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 05:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: Butt (1995) does list the station with those dates, on the Bolton, Blackburn, Clitheroe and West Yorkshire Railway. But I can't find any mention of it in Marshall (1969), who doesn't describe any passenger stations between [Over] Darwen and Lower Darwen. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Merge help

Hello Redrose64 thank you for the tips on merging. I'm trying to help clear the backlog of requests. I'll keep your pointers in mind as I keep working on it. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qalb alasid (talk • contribs) 18:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:2024 crimes in Mexico‎

Thank you so much for fixing this double categorization. I had no idea how it happened nor any clue on how to fix it. Thanks for catching it! Nayyn (talk) 21:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nayyn: Basically, I looked at other similar categories - such as Category:2023 crimes in Mexico, Category:2022 crimes in Mexico, Category:2024 crimes in the United States, Category:2024 crimes in Ecuador - to see what was in the page source, and found that all of them used exactly the same code, i.e. {{YYYY crimes in countryname category header}}. Therefore, I edited Category:2024 crimes in Mexico, and replaced everything in there with {{YYYY crimes in countryname category header}} and saved. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

many thanks again Nayyn (talk) 22:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

External link on The Brain of Morbius

Hello. Could you explain why my use of this external link is improper and what you meant by "query string" please ? Spectritus (talk) 10:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article, per Wikipedia:External links. We also do not use external link format to link to Wikipedia in other languages, see Help:Interlanguage links.

In a URL such as https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Baker?wprov=sfla1 the query string is the part after the ? (query) character. In this case, it's documented at wikitech:Provenance, but I really don't think that it's being used properly. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Spectritus (talk) 11:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Colons in syntaxhighlight tag

why do people keep using colons inside syntaxhighlight? They don't indent, but are displayed literally. In case you're curious, it's a bug in Visual Editor. There's a phab ticket for it somewhere. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2025 disestablishments in North America

A tag has been placed on Category:2025 disestablishments in North America indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 23:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Explicit: Although I created the original version of this page, the page logs show that the most recent two incarnations were created by Daniel James Mcmahon (talk · contribs). Judging by the other categories that they have created (several of which have been deleted again), this user seems intent on WP:CRYSTALBALLing. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

About members of one direction to be past members

Hello, could u elaborate why you put all of them to past members? because there's no statement about the group status, thank you Kayanad (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@Kayanad: There is an ongoing discussion on that exact matter at Talk:One Direction#RfC: Band status and members in the infobox, so for the time being the article should not be changed until there is consensus in that discussion. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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MOS:NOBR - North Kent Line

Hi there, thanks for your edit summary note on North Kent Line. I didn't change that formatting - the anonymous edit before mine did, and I was just patching up the broken part. However, I actually wasn't aware of the MOS:NOBR guideline, so thanks! Jessicapierce (talk) 18:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jessicapierce: The {{ubl}} template makes a list, the individual items of which are separated uning the pipe character. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Admin newsletter

Hi Redrose64 -- was there a reason you removed me from the admin newsletter subs? For the record, I'd prefer to receive it even if hibernating as I still intermittently check my talk page and on return it forms a convenient summary of issues of which I need to be aware. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 12:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict: Delivery of the October message failed, the log shows that you opted-out of message delivery. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Nothing that I did??? I'm very confused now. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 12:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

It's probably a template at the top of your user talk page. Something like {{nobots}}, but not necessarily that specific one. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Uw-spamublock

I don't understand what you meant by this edit summary. When I marked the ER as "already done", I was referring to this edit. Was I supposed to do what you did (i.e., change the title)? M.Bitton (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: Exactly: the first parameter is for the name of the page for which an edit is being requested, accordingly the OP had put |Template:Uw-spamublock. Since the edit was to Template:Uw-spamublock, you should not have altered it to |Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace as nobody edited that page, nor intended that page to be edited. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I see what happened: it was altered by the "Edit Request Tool", that's why I didn't notice it. M.Bitton (talk) 17:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Mail

Hey, I sent you one last night my time ... did you get it? Just asking now because time zones can be ... interesting. Graham87 (talk) 08:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I've never started one of those before, so making it my first probably isn't a good idea. I would prefer that it be done properly, and so have a good chance of succeeding. In the past I might have suggested RexxS (talk · contribs) or Kudpung (talk · contribs). Try HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Is this about the re-RfA? I'd be happy to, and Redrose can co-nom if he's happy. Redrose would do a better job of addressing the more technical things you use the tools for. You might have to agree to something regarding blocks, like not blocking anyone who hasn't been reported by another editor or similar but I think it's a winnable battle. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is about the re-RFA. Yes there'll be a very strong pledge re blocks ... and a refocus. That's why I was thinking of Redrose as a co-nom because he can speak to my technical work. You don't have to start the page, just say a few words about what I've done in that arena when the time comes. Or if you are most comfortable just putting these thoughts in a !support vote, that works too. @HJ Mitchell: yes, I'd be happy for you to co-nom me too, as a lead nom or however the cookie crumbles. I have a couple of other people lined up, but your thoughts would be good to add to the mix as well. Graham87 (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Harry, good to see you here. Graham87, I would like to see what you'd write up for the nomination before I sign on; obviously you can anticipate some of the questions and it would be good to work on some possible answers. You got my email; a group email with Redrose and Harry might be helpful. Harry, Redrose, just to be honest, I did not agree unconditionally, but we can talk about that. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Also pinging Vanamonde93, who I've also been conversing with. Now we're all here, and this'll end up being public anyway, I may as well say this now: I'll pledge not to block at all, just to report when I find another user's done something wrong. And I should find a lot less weird stuff once the watchlist cleanup I'm about to start is done. I don't have any strong opinions on where we should go from here in terms of who starts the page, etc., but some of you know the modern practice re that a huge amount better than I do so I'll defer to y'all. The main part of my nom acceptance (is that how it would work?) would basically be a paraphrase of what I said in this message. Graham87 (talk) 02:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

This seems very similar to my RfA - I passed as a technical admin with a similar but less strict pledge. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist purging done ... it's now 1,173 items (almost all articles) lighter ... much better! Graham87 (talk) 10:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't really do watchlist purging, but I'm quite discriminate about what gets on there in the first place. I'm at about 7,200 pages. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't either; this is my first full watchlist purge since 2007 and I've otherwise done only a couple of minor narrow topic ones. It's only got a few hundred active pages now. Graham87 (talk) 12:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The RFA page has been created (but is not live) at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Graham87 2. If you want to add your piece, feel free. Graham87 (talk) 02:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

en tags

If you check the revision of the article before I even edited for the first time, some of those tags were already there; from the article's original creation in fact. Advise taking it up with the editors who originally added, or those who applied them inconsistently, rather than singling me out for applying consistency and sticking with the original citation style set out. Kyteto (talk) 19:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

ANI report on Golden409bus' abusive behaviour

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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Leeds Central railway station

In the most detailed navbox that you have added to the article, someone has altered your entry of Copley Hill claiming doubts on there being a passenger station there and replaced it with Farnley and Wortley. HAVE YOU ANY VIEWS ON THAT ALTERATION?

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 05:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: Why are you shouting? Anyway, it's shown on three different maps:

• Conolly, W. Philip (January 1976). British Railways Pre-Grouping Atlas and Gazetteer (5th ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 21, section C2 (Leeds inset). ISBN 0-7110-0320-3. EX/0176.
• Batty, Stephen R. (1989). Rail Centres: Leeds/Bradford. Shepperton: Ian Allan. endpapers. ISBN 0-7110-1821-9.

and also on this diagram. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I was not aware that the last part was in capitals. I must have accidentally caught something in error. All I wondered why it was that someone had altered the navbox that you had gone to so much trouble to compose which adds much the artcle on that railway station.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Template talk:Rail-interchange - Thessaloniki Metro request

Hi, the talk page to Template talk:Rail-interchange breaks down after the TextDiff on the previous request if I attempt to add a reply, so putting it here. You have marked the request answered, and I do not think that it is.

@Redrose64 There is no need to be choppy. This has already been changed on the sandbox.

If people still persist, maybe it's because nowhere is it stated that the correct procedure is to amend the sandbox first. The text at the top of the page is very clear that changes must be discussed on this talk page first (all emphasis my own):

Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by consensus, editors may use {{edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit.

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Michail (blah) 13:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

{{TextDiff}} is fine when used to describe changes to text, such as in article prose - hence its name, TextDiff. For an article about a building, on its talk page somebody might put, for example,

−

The building was closed in 2014 and subsequently demolished.

+

The building saw little use after 1996, and was closed in 2014. Demolition began in 2016 but the site was not cleared until 2020.

As you noticed (several times) it breaks hopelessly if used for template code. I don't know why people keep attempting to use it.

Template:Rail-interchange has itself been broken on several previous occasions by people putting live changes that were insufficiently tested. Even the omission of one bracket can have consequences that can take days to put right, whilst we wait for the fix to propagate through the job queue. So we need to make sure that every change is right the first time. There is plenty on this matter in the talk page archives. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey, would you like to add a few words about my technical contribs as a nom statement at my RFA, or would you be more comfortable taking a less prominent role? Either way, no worries: I'd just like to know before I take it live. If anyone else wants to join in, feel free. Sorry for any hassle. Graham87 (talk) 02:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Graham87, it appears that an RfA cannot have more than two co-nominations in addition to the primary nom, and two co-noms (Vanamonde93 and Drmies) had already been added by the time that you posted here (yesterday, Australian time). The restriction is in Template:RfA/readyToSubmit, and I don't think that I should amend that without first proposing it at WT:RFA. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I tried to add space for more co-noms in, but it was reverted ... eh I was going to right more, but I think I'll take this to Template talk:RfA, where what I was going to say is much more relevant. I think I'll take the implicit hint and make the RFA live relatively soon. Graham87 (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

After advice (see the email thread if you want to), I've substituted the RFA template so there's space to add a co-nom statement, if you like. Graham87 (talk) 04:30, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I want to write something, but I can't work out what to write. It's got to be 100% bang-on right. I've spent half the day on diversionary gnoming. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I don't think a long statement is necessary. If you have any experience of Graham as an admin, especially in obscure technical fields, that hasn't been covered by one of the other nominators, that might go down well. If you don't have anything "new" to cover, then you might do just as well as an early supporter when the RfA is live. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. I was just thinking of you saying a little bit about my contributions from a technical angle (perhaps something from the technical village pump ... and maybe accessibility). Maybe a comment you remember me making somewhere? If you're still wracking your brains trying to say something, I could start the RFA with the noms already there ... Graham87 (talk) 00:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I think that you'll have to - I'm going to be out most of the day. Then Monday is a work day... --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, ta for the note. I'll do that. Graham87 (talk) 10:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your latest comment there and I'm so sorry to put you through all that. Graham87 (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Names of social media reps in articles

Hi Redrose, just wondering if Anamyd's edits to Class 756 where they mentioned a social media rep's name is something that would be allowed on Wikipedia? Not talking about the WP:OR aspect here, but whether the name being mentioned is something that is permissible or should be suppressed... Many thanks! Danners430 (talk) 13:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Danners430: This edit is right out. This edit summary does not satisfy WP:V, nor does the previous one. All in all, this was a good revert. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I’m just really wanting to check regarding the inclusion of the social media rep’s name from a privacy standpoint whether it should be left or the edit history suppressed, that’s all I’m concerned about - I simply don’t know either way :) Danners430 (talk) 15:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

There's only one name that I can see, and it's just one word - it might be a forename, or an alias. I don't think that it can be used to identify a real-life individual. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

That’s fair - thank you for checking and confirming however :) can never be too careful! Danners430 (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Southcote Junction

Hi again. I see you have contributed to the discussion on Soutcote Junction but without expressing a delete or keep. I'd value your thought on this, whichever way you call it. I must admit I feel a bit under siege on this one, especially after the latest delete call from an anonymous IPV6 address with a visible history of just 7 edits over a period of all of 12 minutes!. Trying hard not to think the word sockp****t. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Collyhurst

I'm not sure what you mean by "come on"? We normally put the county in articles with the exception of Greater London. Greater Manchester does include distinct places like Wigan that aren't part of the settlement so its not like they are similar enough not to need to be mentioned even if the county includes the name of the city. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

But Collyhurst isn't in Wigan, it's in Manchester - only a mile and a half from the centre. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

But its still in the county of Greater Manchester and no longer in Lancashire (which could probably also be mentioned) so I still think the correct thing is to mention the current (and probably former) county. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Writing Collyhurst is an inner city area of Manchester, in Greater Manchester, England introduces redundancy, not to mention WP:OVERLINKing. There is absolutely no need to point out that Manchester is in Greater Manchester. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

List renumbering

Regarding using HTML markup: I didn't think it would work specifically with the ACE question template, since it introduces a sublist, so wasn't sure how an unclosed HTML list item would interact with it (normally I would recommend closing it explicitly). In any case, the template has been extended now to support a parameter to set a value explicitly using HTML markup. isaacl (talk) 16:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Isaacl: The closing tag of a li element is always optional, since it is implicitly closed by the next <li> tag at the same level, also by the closing </ol> of the enclosing ol element. A li element may enclose zero or more sublists of any type, to any depth. See this demo.

The way that this works relies on my first sentence - effectively, what we have is

<p>Here is a list:
<ol><li>This is the first item
<li>Second item
<li><li value=4>Not the third item
<li>List continues
</ol><p>with text after.

and your browser gets served with this:

<p>Here is a list:
</p>
<ol><li>This is the first item</li>
<li>Second item</li>
<li class="mw-empty-elt"></li><li value="4">Not the third item</li>
<li>List continues</li></ol>
<p>with text after.
</p>

MediaWiki silently adds the missing closing tags, even though the only one that is required is the </ol>. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The unclear issue for me wasn't the HTML standard, but what the resulting HTML output would be from MediaWiki when the ACE question template was used in combination with the <li> syntax within wikitext. In any case, it's moot now that the template has been enhanced, so please don't feel obligated to spend any additional time on explaining its workings. isaacl (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)