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Your submission at Articles for creation: Rana X. Adhikari (July 25)

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331dot (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for taking the time to review my first article. However, it isn't clear to me why the article is rejected inspite of being encyclopedic in nature, with numerous reliable citations and plethora of novel and useful information for readers. Could you please point out specific sections that appear to read like an advertisement so that I can edit the article in a way that's worthy of inclusion? Cheers! Quentinhotwater (talk) 09:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Quentinhotwater! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! 331dot (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Rana X. Adhikari has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Rana X. Adhikari. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I've removed all external links from the body. Please let me know the next steps. Quentinhotwater (talk) 09:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rana X. Adhikari (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Gusfriend was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Gusfriend (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

thanks alot for your assistance. I have edited for a more neutral tone. Let me know if it reads better. Quentinhotwater (talk) 13:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The photograph...

...is on its way to being deleted, as twitter content (where you got it) is copyright protected. The most simple way to replace it is for you to take a photo of Rana and upload it at Commons. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

On a separate note, what is your connection to Rana? In his employment or being paid to write about him? Student in his lab? Friend? Fellow faculty member? See WP:PAID and WP:COI for how to declare connection on your User page, if one exists. A connection does not preclude your creating this article. If there is no strong connection - perhaps you are just a student who took a class he taught - then an explanation on your Talk page of what led you to create this draft is a good idea. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Not employed, neither paid by him, caltech or anyone else to write this article. I have a background in gravitationalwave outreach and noticed Rana Adhikari wasn't listed under notable students of Rainer Weiss, so added his name. Having done that, Wiki seduced me with create a page option. Thought I'd share what I know whilst learning basics of wikiedits. Quentinhotwater (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

noted, and thanks again. At the moment from the conference talks I've attended I don't have a good quality photo that could be used. A task for later I reckon. Quentinhotwater (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Paid editing

Hello Quentinhotwater. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Quentinhotwater. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Quentinhotwater|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Theroadislong (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Theroadislong, I am not being compensated by Rana, affiliated organisations, anyone connected to write this article. I have a background in gravitationalwave outreach and noticed Rana Adhikari wasn't listed under notable students of Rainer Weiss, so added his name. Having done that, Wiki seduced me with create a page option. Thought I'd share what I know whilst learning basics of wikiedits. Quentinhotwater (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I reverted that addition because it was unsourced, we have little interest in what editors "know" I'm afraid, content has to be reliably sourced. Theroadislong (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I have added Rana's MIT thesis and interviews with magazines and newspapers as reference for involvement with Rainer Weiss and LIGO team at large. If that isn't enough please advise what else will be considered as reliable source. Quentinhotwater (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

His thesis is a primary source and interviews are not reliable or independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 15:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. So PhD thesis even though primary source is not enough to establish the student connection? Whereas "notable" part in doctoral students is considered, references to awards, recognition by reputed institutions isn't enough either? Please let me know how can I improve reliability. I've followed content style in Nergis Mavalvala, Bruce Allen pages to create this one. Quentinhotwater (talk) 16:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Also I see my edits are still categorised as "paid editing". As stated above, no compensation is involved here. Could you please retract that flag too? Quentinhotwater (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rana X. Adhikari has been accepted

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Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for sharing the next steps. Also, I've re-added Rana's name in Rainer Weiss doctoral students. Quentinhotwater (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Rana X. Adhikari

Hi Quentinhotwater. I've moved here to assist with the DYK, since the Teahouse contributions tend to get rapidly archived just when you don't want that! The mechanics of submitting a proposal are given at WP:DYK but can be a bit daunting the first time you try.

One of the rules is that the "hook" must be directly sourced in the article. Hence "...that Rana X. Adhikari, an experimental physicist at Caltech, worked as a car mechanic before joining academia?" currently fails as I see no mention of it in the bio (it was in a part that rightly was trimmed). I don't like the "was the subject of an inspirational short film" as it breaks our neutral point of view guideline and again the article now doesn't say "inspirational". On the other hand, I think your final suggestion is fine, especially as it mentions India: en:Wikipedia has lots of Indian readers but rarely Indian-related DYK. The formatting for the text could be (see source for details):

...that the idea of building a gravitational-wave observatory in India was first proposed by Caltech experimental physicist Rana X. Adhikari?

If alternative hooks occur to you, they can be added as "ALT1" and so on within the nomination page. There are editors who specialise in approving DYKs and they are good at choosing the best one. Also, If a picture of Adhikari is available to go in the article, the hook could be extended with the word (pictured) and the photo placed alongside in the nomination (see other examples at Template_talk:Did you know). However, lack of a picture is not a problem.

As the article reached mainspace on 1 August, we have until 8 August to get it nominated. Let me know if you would prefer I made the nomination but don't be afraid of trying it yourself! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mike, thanks for bringing the conversation here. I was indeed worried our segment on teahouse would be archived. Regarding your inputs on Rana's DYK, let's go with the Indian observatory one, as having gone through DYK archives, I, too, noticed lack of Indian-related content. Besides, I predict that hook will tickle indian readers to click on the page, increasing viewership.

Honestly, DYK instructions got me quite abit dizzy, so I'd be grateful if you could help me out with the nomination and posting for this page.

Lastly, I contacted one of Rana's students, requesting them to upload a pic of him on Wiki Commons. But I am afraid my email might have been spam filtered cause haven't heard from them yet. I reckon we'll have to proceed without a photograph. I wish we could use his twitter DP or Getty images from Breakthrough awards. The twitter one was clicked inside LIGO's vaccuum tubes and is so trippy! Quentinhotwater (talk) 05:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, nomination done. You need to go to the page Template:Did you know nominations/Rana X. Adhikari and add it to your watchlist by clicking on the star next to the "View history" tab. Reviewers who specialise in DYK will look at the nomination and do various checks. They may have queries which you'll need to respond to on that page. Ping me back here if you run into any difficulties. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Bye the way, did you really take that picture of the MoU signing ceremony? You uploaded it to Commons as "own work" which implies you did. I hope so, or it will have to be removed from the article (and Commons). The DYK reviewers will be very hot on copyright infringements. And if you did take it, this would imply a conflict of interest for the article, which may or may not be a problem for your future edits there. Editors with certain COI are allowed to create draft articles but should not edit them subsequently (see that link for details). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mike, thanks for the nomination. Watching the DYK page for queries. And regarding MoU signing pic, it's not mine, but is publicly available so I thought I could use it here. Might have mistakenly declared as mine. Quentinhotwater (talk) 07:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

If by "publicly available" you mean "I found it on the Internet" that won't do for Commons. However, if it was a picture taken by an employee of the US government, for example, then the license on the image you uploaded can be altered to make it OK. So, please let me know exactly where you got it from and I'll investigate. I've got a fair amount of experience with Commons licensing. The crucial piece of information is usually "who was the photographer?" Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mike, in the article below, the picture is credited to "Ministry of External Affairs, India Twitter". Can we give credit and use it?

https://www.firstpost.com/world/india-meets-ligo-scientists-in-the-us-signs-mou-for-setting-up-observatory-in-the-country-2706298.html Quentinhotwater (talk) 12:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, that's probably a copyright violation but we can in any case do better! I've found a high-resolution version of a similar image on the Indian govt website here at full resolution which can be copied to Commons using a specific template I'm familiar with. So I'll do that. Meanwhile, please go back to your own file on Commons and edit the page so that the template {{Db-author}} goes at the very top. This indicates that you, as uploader, request it be speedily deleted by a Commons admin. I'll switch the new photo into the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Turns out someone else already uploaded the file in question! So it is on Commons with the rather unhelpful name "The Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi with the Scientists from LIGO, who proved gravitational waves theory, in Washington DC on March 31, 2016.jpg". I'll add it to the article.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Mike! Followed your suggestion. Also I was wondering what's the way to redirect a search of Rana Adhikari to Rana X. Adhikari page?

And looks like there's no activity on our DYK. Seems like we might not make it to the Main Page on time. Quentinhotwater (talk) 05:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No problem about the DYK. It had to be added to the list within one week of reaching mainspace but after that there is no deadline. Reviewers pick up what interests them and science topics can take a while. One I am aware of summarised at Talk:Rubicon (protein) has been under discussion since June as there's been to-and-fro about the best hook. Yours won't suffer from that, I think.

I've created the WP:REDIRECT from Rana Adhikari to Rana X. Adhikari, which is standard for biographies where people have middle names. Do you know what the "X" is short for? If so, it should go into the first occurrence of his name in the article, bolded. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that redirect! At the moment not sure what the 'X' stands for. Quentinhotwater (talk) 08:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Review comment on DYK. Suggestion sounds good to me. Do we have to do anything now? Quentinhotwater (talk) 08:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Just add a comment on that page agreeing that ALT1 is an improvement. It is also good to "strike out" the original, which you do in the source editor by placing <s> at the beginning and </s> at the end, which renders as this bit struck out. That makes it clear to others working on the page that they should focus on the new version alone, rather than consider both as options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Michael D. Turnbull, attached below is the link to Adhikari image. Could you have a look and share your thoughts? Thanks! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rana_Adhikari.jpg Quentinhotwater (talk) 04:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

The DYK is coming along nicely: I see it is now in one of the prep areas, so it is only a matter of a short time before it goes live on the mainpage. The DYK itself doesn't need an image (it is currently included in a set which uses another image-worthy hook) but it would be nice to place one into the article's infobox. I'm worried that the uploader, Whitneyclavin, is a new user who hasn't understood the process at Commons. They have stated the picture is the work of "Keaton Stone", not themselves. This means that the volunteers at Commons who police copyright require Stone (not clavin) to vouch that they indeed gave permission for that. There are various ways to do this as explained at Commons:Email templates. Were you in contact with Clavin (you mentioned above that you had contacted one of RXA's students)? If so, please explain the process to them. If not, we need to use their Talk page at Commons to do so. Once properly licensed, we can create a cropped version of that image to use in the article. The full image isn't ideal for an infobox as it has too much background and we just need the head and shoulders. I can do the crop if you wish after getting the OK regards the permissions.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

It's ridiculous how happy this DYK update makes me! And I have explained Clavin the process and options. I'll get back to you once there's been some progress. Thanks! Quentinhotwater (talk) 07:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Heard from Clavin. They said Keaton emailed giving his approval. I checked Adhikari image and all looks well. Could you crop and add it to the article's infobox? Thanks! Quentinhotwater (talk) 03:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done using the Commons:CropTool. Got there at last! Well done.... now ready for the DYK to go live, which should be tomorrow or Thursday depending on your time zone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike, and nice to see our live DYK!. Also, I was on this page Janna Levin and noticed it is semiprotected. When does a page need protection and what is the criteria and does Adhikari page qualify for it? Quentinhotwater (talk) 03:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

The details of the protection policy are at WP:PP. There are various levels of protection: at one extreme templates used on thousands of pages (e.g. Infoboxes) can only be modified by admins since vandalism or even simple good-faith errors can cascade all around. We had an example of that recently now archived at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1160#Citation_Errors. More common are temporary blocks when vandalism from IP editors begins to overwhelm editors trying to combat that: one downside from allowing editing from anywhere without an account. These blocks are, by policy, only applied once the vandalism has already started and are requested at WP:AIV (if the vandalism is from one account so the solution is to block that account) or as described on the protection policy page if editing of a specific article is to be constrained in some way. I assume that in the case of Janna Levin the protection was put in place to stop some IP-related trolling but it is relatively unusual to see this on an article for a scientist who is only getting ~200 pageviews a day. It's more common on famous people's articles. One on my watchlist is Rosalind Franklin (~1,000 a day) which needs constant protection because, I guess, mainly schoolchildren know who she is and think it is amusing to vandalise there. Lots of politicians and many religious articles need protection, not just from vandals but from people with extreme views who want to push their world-view and refuse to stick to the core WP:NPOV policy. Bottom line: the Adhikari article is unlikely to need any sort of protection and won't get it unless something untoward happens. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Rana X. Adhikari

On 25 August 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rana X. Adhikari, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that it was Caltech experimental physicist Rana X. Adhikari's idea to build a gravitational-wave observatory in India? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rana X. Adhikari. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Rana X. Adhikari), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)