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Regarding your deletions at List of political parties in Yemen

Hey Pomchi-Inu87, I've seen you've been deleting quite some parts of the ideology section in my extensive additions to the List of political parties in Yemen. I'd like to ask you to revert these, for the following reasons:

If you look around in lists of political parties of countries, the vast majority of ideologies is unsourced. So if you really want to go for that, you'd need to go on quite the massive deleting spree that wouldn't really benefit public understanding of these party systems. Secondly, you've been cherry-picking in which parts you deleted and which not. I can assure you that I added independent sources about ideologies where I could, but Yemen is in a difficult situation due to years of civil war and destruction; this means, for most parties, there's just little sources to find outside from what they themselves publish on facebook or their own pages - which is where I took the info about their ideology from. Arab nationalism across the region is generally aligned with center-left ideas. Just read the party program of the National Front Democratic Party for example, it has classic center-left elements apart from its aims of creating a federal Arab country in the distant future. Al-Ahrar Organization published a program a few months after their foundation, which also included demands workers' rights and such, which is why I marked them as center-left. But since it was already enough work to accumulate the informations about the parties as it is + proof of their existence, I thought that since that's the general praxis on list of political parties, it would be fine as it is. Finally, what tells me that you didn't even look into it is the fact that you removed the "center-left" tag for the Yemeni Unionist Congregation. Because there actually is a source, and it specifically talks about the solidarization of the party's leadership with protests against the rise in prices and the deterioration of living conditions - a classic leftist position.

So in a nutshell, thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia (because that's a thing we tell each other far too seldom, it's sad that this massive open source lexicon offers so little nice words and satisfaction to its voluntary contributors, who gain nothing from doing so). But instead of removing position points on an arbitrary basis, I'd be grateful if you could help me expand information about the Yemeni party scene instead. Sadly, I'm busy the next ~2 weeks, but I've already collected some sources to create articles for the Yemeni Labour Party, Al-Ahrar Organization and the Arab Hope Party, which I'll probably get to in October. Ermanarich (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ermanarich Arab nationalists are not necessary centre-leftists like that liberals are not necessary centrists or like that greens are not necessary leftists (see no original research policy). Pomchi-Inu87 (talk) 13:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And that's all now? You've only answered to one of the points I raised, particularly ignoring the problem that you've been cherry-picking on what to remove while not having even read into what these parties are doing exactly and what their platforms are + the fact that the vast majority of all political party lists in any country are unsourced. You haven't even reverted your removal of the sourced description of the Yemeni Unionist Congregation as center-left.--

Ermanarich (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In most countries, the ideology of the each parties actually is at least has one source for each ideology tag (it not necessary appear in the party's wiki inbox), see for example the political parties Nepal, Mexico, Bolivia, Japan, South Africa and India.

All (if not almost all) the parties at least today say that they support a specific solution to hunger and thirst problems and want to improve the population's economic state including both left-wing ones and right-wing ones.

I checked the source of Yemeni Unionist Congregation, and I saw that in that specific source one of the words left(-wing), progressive or social (-democartic or -liberal or -progressive) didn't appear at least one time Pomchi-Inu87 (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's funny sou say that, because that's simply not true. I looked at Bolivia, South Africa, Nepal, Mexico and Japan and found that except for the last (and there only via the respective party's page, not on the list itself), the vast majority of the parties' ideologies are not sourced. And these are countries, were informations about the parties are far easier available because they're not in state of civil war and have a number of established newspapers with high journalistic capabilities. If there were better sources, I'd love to use them, but there simply aren't. And again, simply removing just a specific set of ideological details while not doing so with others is very inconsistent. I admit that the situation is imperfect and the list should be filled with sources once Yemen - hopefully - stabilizes and journalists focus more on party politics and parties' positions. For now, it's better this way than just presenting a list filled with parties with simply not the slightest bit of information to them.

Moving on, it's not true that Yemeni parties left and right are vocally supporting a solution to the hunger and thirst crisis, let alone being able to present a specific one. I can assure you that in expanding this list, I've read a lot and deep into the parties' positions (over facebook, which is close to the only platform where you find anything about the minor parties; or, in some cases - if they have one - their website) and only few are talking about this issue. Those who are, are aligned with center-left, left-wing or syncretic positions.

In the case of the Yemeni Unionist Congregation, it's right that it doesn't mention a specific ideology with a word. But what is "supporting the demands of the people against the rise in prices and the deterioration of living conditions", if not a leftist position? Would you be happier if I wrote "solidarity with the situation of the precarious classes" or is it ok to simplify this into "center-left", since that former sentence would be a bit long for an infobox?

Also, I'm not happy to go down that way, but well: I've seen you make unsourced changes in the ideology section of parties just today. I'm not planning to revert these edits, because I'm still convinced that you're in generally acting in good faith. Can we not find a sensible settlement here?--Ermanarich (talk) 13:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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