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Infobox Officeholder, Post-nominals and HTML

This is a quick enquiry and I have read Infobox officeholder documentation & Formatting of name & honorifcs.

I can understand the need to remove customised html code which complicates use of Wikipedia in media other than a web browser. I've found span tags in a group of articles and attempts to remove the tags are reverted. Can you tell me the wikipedia policy/basis for removing html that caused all of the work you undertook in Formatting of name & honorifics? - Karl Stephens (talk|contribs) 12:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Spans may serve a different purpose, and not do the harm, than the HTML to which you refer. Can you provide an example? Also, please don't sign your comments with a full-width horizontal rule. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I now see where you mean. Your edits also included the removal of links; perhaps that's why you were reverted? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Here's an example of the code that effects font colour and size:

----- start of example -----
 {{Infobox Governor General
| honorific-prefix = <span style="color:#36454F;"><small>The Right Honourable</small></span>
| name = Roméo-Adrien LeBlanc
| honorific-suffix = <span style="color:#36454F;"><small>PC CC CMM ONB CD</span>
----- end of example -------

(Am uncertain about reference to "full-width horizontal rule", have checked signature and found nothing unusual (like a <hr> tag)).

--Karl Stephens ( talk | contribs ) 10:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
@Sinesurfer: Yes; there's a whole series of these. The matter is being discussed at Talk:Michaëlle Jean#‎List formatting (and following sections), where there's an RfC to which you may wish to contribute. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the direction, I appreciate the assistance. Take care.

--Karl Stephens ( talk | contribs ) 13:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Garland

The DYK project (nominate) 10:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hope you can take the second link in that hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Translating "Personal acquaintances"

Hi Pigsonthewing, I found your name here and wanted to ask if you could help improving the translation and functionality of this wonderful project? I have requested import to en.wiki and now it is in my userspace, waiting to be made ready for launching. If you don't have the time yourself I would be very thankful if you could ask other native English Wikipedians for helping it? --BR, .js 13:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help out, I'm a near native Speaker of English, and I'd like to translate it into Hindi as well. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Great - just go ahead! :) --BR, .js 18:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Where do I start? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
This was a great start and exactly what I would have suggested: by using it you can better discover what it needs to work. The red warning on the page you edited ("Editiere hier bitte nicht von Hand. Gehe stattdessen zu Wikipedia:Persönliche Bekanntschaften/neue Anfragen.") translates to: Please do not edit this page. Go to de:Wikipedia:Persönliche Bekanntschaften/neue Anfragen instead. Although the bot fixed it you can help improving the English manual (that I now boldly launched to WP:Personal acquaintances) in this respect. Perhaps some of the Screenshots should be added, with English explanation.
PS. We should now continue this talk at Wikipedia talk:Personal acquaintances instead of bothering Pigsonthewing's talk page any more, who does not seem to participate. --BR, .js 04:04, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
fixed: my mistake, you did it right! It's just irritating in the edit history... :) --BR, .js 04:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You seem to have all this in hand without needing my assistance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Steelhouse Lane police station

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DYK for Theodore Katsanevas

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Template geobox cleanup

Please cleanup the incoming links (What links here?) on the sub pages before listing them for speedy delete. — xaosflux Talk 04:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea which sub-pages this refers to; but it's not usually necessary to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Sitka Fine Arts Camp

I think you mistakenly sent the talk page to MfD instead of the article to AfD. ;) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:02, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

US Airways Flight 1549 detail discrepancy to resolve

Hi. Would you please take a look at this detail re. US Airways Flight 1549 and contribute to resolving the discrepancy b/w what's stated in the article, what's logically possible, and what's reported in at least half of the sources cited? Greatly appreciate your attention to this matter and hope it is something that can be resolved quickly and w/o complication. Thanks, Azx2 19:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

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Stop reformatting comments

I am unbelievably angry with you right now. Please stop reformatting my comments. I understand that you have particular formatting preferences. That does not give you the right to reformat my comments to meet your requirements. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Infobox_album&diff=next&oldid=606604651 Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

You do not have the right to format your comments, to meet your requirements, such that they orphan or break others'. Even less do you have the right to delete others' comments. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:12, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Wait. I don't have the right to reformat my own comments to meet my requirements or one does not have the right to reformat ones comments (and that list excludes you)? I am not orphaning your comments. Further to that, please explain how I'm breaking your formatting.
I didn't see that the revert deleted your comment. I have fixed it correctly. Please don't reformat it again.
Finally, please place a talkback template on my talk page. I don't want to make patrolling your talk page a regular part of my Wikipedia activities. Thank you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:43, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
As I said, you do not have the right to format your comments, to meet your requirements, such that they orphan or break others'. I think that's pretty unambiguous. You most definitely have been doing so, as already noted elsewhere. "I'm sorry you don't understand the problem", one might say. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
OK. Then since you won't answer the question, I'll point out that you're reformatting my comments after I've made them so you should stop reformatting mine. I'm sorry you don't understand the problem, but you seem to be long in that suit. You'll see that you decided not to follow the existing formatting and for some reason, I'm to blame for your deviation from the established norm.
As for lack of cooperative behaviour, you also didn't place a talkback template on my talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
And yet you saw my reply anyway. Nonetheless, I'll be happy to quote for secretarial services. As also noted elsewhere it is you who fails to follow existing formatting. Which question do you imagine that I failed to answer? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Infobox animal breed

Hi, Andy! There seems to be something wrong with {{Infobox animal breed}}, where the "Horns" parameter appears not to work. An example is at Charolais cattle, where the field appears to be correctly filled, but the result does not display. I'm not sure if this is the only field that isn't working. Is this something you could look at, or should I ask elsewhere? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The parameter numbering in the template code included duplicates; I've fixed it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I saw that it had started working. Many thanks indeed! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your thoughts

Hey, since you work a lot with the infoboxes and the templates, I was wondering what your view was on this? LADY LOTUS • TALK 18:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Racecourse boxes

Andy, I think that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_racecourse is actually the most often used box for horse race tracks. It would be a really bad idea to merge it with the motorsports ones. I'd prefer some kind of dab linking to separate ones for motor sports and horse racing. Not sure where the discussion is on it though, the links are messed up. Montanabw(talk) 18:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, on the horse race infoboxes, I thought I was making things simpler. One beats two, two beat four, but dirt and turf sure as heck don't need separate boxes and they should be combined into a single one with a "surface=" parameter added if needed. JMO Montanabw(talk) 23:45, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Reference

Hey

Regarding this: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Boomtown Festival

You said to add references and independent sources. I'd be glad to, but the sources are the facts, so I don't really know where to find an independent reference.. I work for the festival, so it's just me providing a history of the event. What can I do to solve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.253.79 (talk) 09:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Wait until the festival has been covered in independent, reliable sources per WP:42. Also, please note WP:COI and ensure that your edits meet the spirit of that policy, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I've tried to maintain a healthy attitude towards COI, so I'm thinking that won't be an issue The festival is covered every year in papers and the likes, but the information there is never complete. Plus, they won't write anything about the complete line-up of 2002 anymore, so to speak. Thanks for the review and advice, by the way — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.253.79 (talk) 10:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Opera singers

Example: Katia Plaschka, I like infobox person, but certain parameters for classical singers are missing, such as voice type, field (opera, oratorio), label. See also. Can those be included from a different infobox, if yes, how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

A group of editors (you can image who) have been very resistant to allowing the inclusion of such key information. A work around is to use {{Infobox musical artist}} (or to use that as a module of {{infobox person}}, and put, say, "Soprano voice" in the |Instrument= parameter, or, in {{infobox person}}, "Operatic tenor" in |known_for= or |occupation=. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Another editor (linked above) asked (!) for an infobox for opera singers, and I told him, "person" would do. However, he was not yet pleased. I think you mentioned that one type of infobox can be "embedded" in another, how would that work? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
like this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I like this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
not everybody did, though, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Why do you create redirects to WikiProject Military history such as "Mil Hist"? (And similar to other banner perhaps?) Now I have to update AWB software, all list of redirect otherwise all tagging bots will fail. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I keep track of all the WikiProject redirects at User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

for the same reason we have other redirects; to cater for incorrect spellings/spacing/capitalisation; and to assist discoverability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Andy,

Sorry for being curt, it's a bad habit of mine.

The only two people responding, you and Tony, were both reframing the issue into one about me and my personal preferences. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with that.

In the discussions that I've been involved with, the effect of a lot of links on readability has been seen as a problem that affects a large percentage of readers --- enough of them to make it something worth discussing. And it hasn't been just about overlinking. If I misinterpreted those discussions, I'm prepared to drop the button issue with my apologies for wasting people's time. But I've yet to come across anyone who feels that a lot of links improve readability. Those who don't have a problem with readability could simply ignore the new button. I can't understand why anyone would oppose, except perhaps the developers who might feel they have more important things to do. That would be a separate issue, and not for us to debate. Cheers, Mandruss (talk) 15:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

No curtness detected, so no apology necessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Steaming process in Lancashire cotton mills

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@Warofdreams: I'm wondering why you've notified me, but not the article's main author, @Dave.Dunford:? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
The general rule is to notify the nominator, but thanks for pinging Dave, who should now see this. Warofdreams talk 18:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

WHS

For World Cultural Heritage sites: How best to combine the information of WHS and the place in an infobox, example Hildesheim Cathedral, and how to mention the WHS in the infobox of an article about a part of a site, like the Hezilo chandelier? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

{{Infobox World Heritage Site}} is an excrescence who should be rebuilt from scratch, if not deleted. I suggest you replace it with another, and mention WHS under |designations=. For background, see Jan 2012 discussion; June 2013 TfD, etc. I tried... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
See also Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus for an embedded example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox organization/doc

(blank usually goes first)

I imagine people more often visit a template's page to check what/where parameters are available/appear than to see/copy a blank syntax, so perhaps this blank-first norm is better discarded..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

No, it isn't. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
PS Do you know how to change the line-spacing in lists built using colons/asterisks/hashes at the beginnings of lines? If so, I'd be grateful to learn. Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Who is "people" in the first question? I need the blank parameters, ready to be copied, most, and most often. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
  • People like you and I (and Andy and...). If my speculation is mistaken, my apologies. I just thought that a template's existing instances might prompt (or, over time, come to prompt) more visits than the creation of new ones. Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
PS Do you know how to...[see PS above]...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
perhaps ask RexxS, or at the village pump? example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Lake George Music Festival

There are a lot of opera queens out there; I'm going to marry one. Because its prodding may be controversial, I de-prodded this article, but feel free to go to WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 23:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough; thanks for letting me now. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, you or Frietjes may as well take action. It's a clear consensus to merge.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Watford Gap services/GA1

This user helped promote Watford Gap services to good article status.

You set up and did the ground work on Watford Gap services. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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