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Piersocial (talk · contribs) has been paid by Pier59 Studios on their behalf. https://www.pier59studios.com/.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pier59 Studios (September 24)

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Loksmythe (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Piersocial! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Loksmythe (talk) 01:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Photos Pier 59 Studios

Hello, I'm Netherzone. I noticed that you recently added several photos the New York Fashion Week article with multiple images with a redlink to Pier 59 Studios. I also noticed that you are working on a draft for an article for them. I am wondering if you have a connection to Pier 59 studios? Netherzone (talk) 20:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes, we have many photos / resources available to us / have the legal rights to that that may not be attainable for most, and we wanted to share. We wanted to make a wiki page as well, and are trying to not violate the rules... when making the page we disclosed a COI. Last draft we sent through for Pier59 we tried to make it not an article but a "stub". We are also just interested in fashion in general and are heavily involved in the industry, we wanted to make contributions to Fashion oriented Wikipedia pages. Piersocial (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not being directly paid, but I guess indirectly paid? We are affiliated with the company / work here... trying to share our photos but also would be cool if Pier59 Studios had a page. Do you have any advice for us? Not trying to be biased, or spammy, apologies!

Piersocial, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by Pier59 Studios for their contributions to Wikipedia.

?Piersocial (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See my reply below in the next section regarding policy and declaration, and editing procedures. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 22:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Piersocial Hello, and thank you for putting the COI template on your user page. I am just wondering a bit about the photos you uploaded and posted on some articles, are these your own images or Pier59's or the "we/us" of which you speak? Netherzone (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone The images were taken by another employee at the company - but I do not intend on using it on Pier59 Studios page or tagging pier59 Studios (like you said earlier that is considered not cool, apologies again for that earlier misstep) I have the permissions I just need to make sure I credit them correctly like you said and referenced, I am reading the guides on how to properly upload the metadata. My intent for these photos is to populate pages like "NYFW" and Fashion week wiki pages, but I won't tag Pier59 at all if that is an issue. (I saw that on one of the pages, No Sesso's show was mentioned, and we have permissions for photos of the show, so I wanted to add that in) Piersocial (talk) 17:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the speedy reply. Now that you mention it, I see that the images state that they are your "Own work" and yet there are three different photographer's copyright marks on the various images. Are these all you (perhaps you go by different names or are their agent?), or ? Netherzone (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pier59 Studios I guess is their "agent", the photos taken were taken specifically to capture the fashion shows happening at Pier59 Studios. I thought by clicking "my own work" was basically saying "yes I have permission to use these..." but now I see its more complicated. I'm trying to read the Commons:OTRS to see how to properly prove that I have the permissions to distribute these pictures... The pictures are owned by the company. Would I need to get emails from each individual to give permission to publish the files under a free license? Some of the people that took the photos are no longer working with the company, but the photos are still "owned" by Pier59 Studios, not by them. Since I am an employee of the copyright owner. It says I need to send a clear statement email from an email address that shows that you act for the copyright holder, stating that you are "authorized by your employer to release the work", under a specific free license...but are their names being registered as the Copywrite holders going to create complications? I think that was a mistake perhaps...when they took the pictures for organization purposes within the company.Piersocial (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 2020

Hello Piersocial. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Piersocial. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Piersocial|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. MrOllie (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not being directly paid, but I guess indirectly paid? We are affiliated with the company/work here... trying to share our photos but also would be cool if Pier59 Studios had a page. Do you have any advice for us? Not trying to be spammy, apologies!! Since we don't have a client - would this be acceptable?

Piersocial, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by Pier59 Studios for their contributions to Wikipedia.

?Piersocial (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Will cease to make further edits until hearing back. Piersocial (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you work for the company you are considered a paid editor per Wikipedia's policies. The paid notice should go on your user page (User:Piersocial), and you should mention your employment status if and when you open any talk page discussions. I suggest that you have a read of Wikipedia:Plain_and_simple_conflict_of_interest_guide for details. - MrOllie (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Got it - apologies for this!!!! Will add the tag to the user page now and look at that guide. Piersocial (talk) 21:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piersocial: Thank you for your timely response,. If you are paid directly, or indirectly - whether as a freelancer, PR person, consultant, intern, volunteer, family member, or an in-kind contributor, you have a conflict of interest. Please familiarize yourself with the following policies, guidelines and information: WP:COI, WP:PAY and WP:PAYDISCLOSE. In the future, you will need to abide by the "Request Edit" feature if you want to edit or contribute by posting any requested edits on the talk pages of articles so that an uninvolved editor can evaluate the request before they make them (or not) on your behalf. Additionally, I want to mention that the way you link spammed WP:SPAM and WP:LINKSPAM your employer/supporters name in photo captions is NOT cool, and are contrary to the purpose of an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising or promoting yourself or your direct or indirect employer. Please refrain from that. Thanks so much for your cooperation in the future, and please let me know if you would like additional clarification. Netherzone (talk) 22:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for this information-Will thoroughly read everything you linked, thank you again for all this info and apologies again for the confusion. Do we need to sign off every single thing that we update (say like on this talk page) Or is siting it at the top once enough? Reading through and just want to make sure we are doing this correctly. Piersocial (talk) 22:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the "we" that you refer to? Netherzone (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: Bad habit - I always type "we" in emails. It's just me. I mean aside from my friend every now and then looking over it for grammatical issues and things.... Apologies again for the confusion. Piersocial (talk) 02:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Piersocial", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it suggests this is a group or shared account. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing because of the following problems: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group or a web site, which is against the username policy.

You may request a change of name and unblock if you intend to make useful contributions other than promoting your business or organization. To do this, first search Special:CentralAuth for available usernames that comply with the username policy. Once you have found an acceptable username, post the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked. In your reasons, you must:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure requirement.
Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

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This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Would like to make contributions to pages aside from Pier59 Studios. Won't make any more edits to Pier59 Studios page aside from disclosing any further COI's necessary on my part. Can totally see and understand why these blocks and restrictions happened... these were genuine mistakes and came from a place of ignorance, but not malice or an effort to be shady at all. I really genuinely would just like to make contributions to other pages on Wikipedia, I feel like I have a better grasp of the rules now and will be way more careful. I will not make edits to any pages that we have a conflict of interest on - just pages that I feel I am knowledgeable on and have credible resources to back. Honestly, Pier59 Studios didn't even ask me to do this. I just work here and knew all about Pier59 before I even started working here. Totally my mistake, it wont happen again.

The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see WP:PAID. For advice about reviewing paid contributions, see WP:COIRESPONSE.

Piersocial (talk · contribs) has been paid by Pier59 Studios on their behalf. https://www.pier59studios.com/.

Decline reason:

When you say "I will not make edits to any pages that we have a conflict of interest on", who's "we"? The company? Can you confirm that you are editing as an individual, not a company role account? PhilKnight (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilKnight: Yes!! I am an individual, and I am employed by Pier59 studios, but I wasn't employed to write a Wikipedia page, I literally just work here as a regular random person that just works here. I keep referring to "we" as in the company because that's how "we" (as in all the employees that work at the company) are trained to write emails, because they want us to have "one voice". For example, If a set builder writes an email to me being like "Oh thank you so much for helping me today with that package delivery", I can't respond back to them saying "it was my pleasure" or "I'm always happy to help" ---- I have to write back " it was our pleasure" "We are always happy to help". I just keep making the mistake in writing it because it has been hard-coded in my brain to write "we" or "our" that when talking in reference to the company. Apologies again for the confusion - I am an individual employee here at Pier59 studios that is just interested in fashion photography and production that is evidently just a bit absent-minded. I also don't know how to reply inside the orange box.... apologies. Piersocial (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piersocial: thank you for your note above - this is still confusing because earlier you said that you were not being paid, but now you are saying that you are an employee...

Not being directly paid, but I guess indirectly paid? We are affiliated with the company/work here... trying to share our photos but also would be cool if Pier59 Studios had a page.

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but it is difficult to understand your role in relation to Pier59 and the photographers whose images you uploaded. Netherzone (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: I totally understand the confusion and I have nothing to hide so I am of course happy to explain everything, so sorry to be coming off so sus. I meant that am not being PAID to write a Wikipedia page for Pier59 Studios, that's not what I have been employed by Pier59 Studios to do. That's what I meant by "indirectly paid". I am paid by the company as an employee, but they did not seek me out to write a page. I work with our clients on the floor and help them out with their photoshoots while they work here, like receiving packages and bringing it to the clients studio while they are working in that space. that is my designated responsibility as an employee here.. Again my reference to "we" is again because I was referencing the company. The photos are not MINE but they are "OURS" - I reached out to the person who has the pictures in a file and was like hey, can use some of these pictures I noticed on the NYFW page they don't have that many photos and "We" have tons. Then I told him I was like oh I'll throw a tag on their too being like oh it was taken at Pier59 studios, but they didn't ASK me to do that, I just offered (in ignorance). They were like sure go ahead here's the pictures and then I tried to upload them, then you were like woah hey NOT cool that you are just trying to tag Pier59 in everything and i was like oh ok apologies thats totally my mistake. Im the only one on this account - I just keep saying we because I'm asking to use the resources that are available to me as an individual but not just me as an individual, its available to all of us in the company because I work for the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piersocial (talk • contribs)

@Piersocial: Thank you for the clarification. Netherzone (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Piersocial: Did you make it clear then you asked for permission to upload these photos that by uploading them under a CC BY-SA license they can be used by pretty much anyone, not just on Wikipedia? You might see these photos in advertisements by third parties, for example. That is permitted by the license as long as there is attribution. - MrOllie (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie: Not at first, but this issue was brought up to me yesterday and I am working on that now. Im still learning how to navigate around this platform and sometimes it takes me a while to find like where the pictures are or where is the appropriate place to put the accreditations. so I first uploaded them completely wrong - and now Im trying to educate myself on the proper way to upload them and then RE-uplaod with all the correct permissions, attributions and everything needed in order for it to be legit. Is there an evident step I can take immediately that you would be able to point me in the right direction? Piersocial (talk) 16:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie:Actually - I misunderstood the question. I did NOT make this clear to them... so I will do that right now. Piersocial (talk) 16:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie: They have now been made aware of this! They still said good to go. Piersocial (talk) 17:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Orangemike: - would you object to an unblock? PhilKnight (talk) 19:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, no. However, I am still a bit uncomfortable about this "we" stuff as in that we have a conflict of interest on. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. PhilKnight (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]