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Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Philosophical Gourmet Report, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Please do not revert changes without appropriate cause. Your indicated reasons were not that. Epeefleche (talk) 22:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

People on the Talk page accuse you of retaliatory editing. In my field, the Philosophical Gourmet Report has been influential it deserves a more complete explanation.

I am sorry my HTML is not very good. I am interested in philosophy mainly.

The accuser is not an editor of longstanding -- at least under that name. He created that account during Memorial Day weekend, edited however like an experienced editor, relative to subjects where there has been socking, and slavishly exhorting a person as a source who has been the subject of severe criticism ITRW for inappropriate behavior. But more to the point, his assertions were false. And your rationale for reverting appropriate edits was not satisfactory, under WP guidelines, as the edits were appropriate and the reversion was not. Epeefleche (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

COI; Editing under another name

Hello.

1) Have ever edited under another username or IP address on Wikipedia?

2) Do you have a conflict of interest, as defined by Wikipedia, in that you have an interest vis-a-vis Brian Leiter publications, and/or vis-a-vis Brian Leiter?

Thanks. --Epeefleche (talk) 23:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you edit under other names? Do you know anything about philosophy? Thanks.--[{User:Philosophy_Junkie|Philosophy Junkie]].

That's interesting. The Memorial Day Weekend editor did exactly the same thing. Answering my questions with a question. How about this -- I went first. What are the answers? Epeefleche (talk) 01:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No and no. What are your answers? What do you know about the subject? You are very defensive, suggesting COI.

Philosophy Junkie here: why haven't you answered the questions?

That's interesting. Given the other background, it looked as though you did have a COI with Leiter or his publications. Let's now look further, then. But your very first significant substantive edits were to Brian Leiter. And how about this. You got into an edit war, starting Feb 5, 2013, over a wp article. Here. Guess who subsequently saw fit to write a blog post devoted to what you saw as deficient in that article? You guessed it -- Brian Leiter![1] In Leiter Reports: A Philosophy Blog!! This is an amazing coincidence! It certainly does bolster the suspicion that you have a COI with Leiter and/or Leiter Reports.

And oh -- I'm not defensive. I don't have a COI here. I am editing only under this username. It is completely -- can I stress that enough? -- irrelevant how much I know about philosophy, for purposes of editing here. In the wp world, we don't edit on the basis of what we know, but rather on the basis of what RSs support. As far as I am concerned, you are just another editor, albeit one with a focus on Leiter and his field and his publications, who has 300-odd edits to his name, and is flouting the rules. I don't recall whether I ever edited the Leiter article in the past (prior to this month), but probably not (as he wasn't well known till his recent fall from grace, and you can check that for yourself in any case if you like. Same with the Leiter Report. This contrasts sharply, of course, with your editing of Leiter and related articles. --Epeefleche (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I started editing in 2006, I first edited Leiter about eight months later when I noticed what a mess it was, unlike other philosopher entries. The Leiter entry was subjected to unusual amounts of vandalism and non-NPOV editing, probably because of his blog. That is why I suspect it eventually got locked. I was one of several people who e-mailed Leiter about the Critchley entry apparently, though he waited a couple of years before writing anything about it. The Critchley entry is well-known among philosophers. Also, blogs are not RSs. --Philosophy_Junkie (talk)

Leiter has been a primary focus of your editing -- compared to other articles. The edits to his article were your first substantive ones. You are in email correspondence with him. You claim knowledge that he received emails from others. He didn't write about Critchley on his blog until you first edit-warred about Critchley (and you were the one who did that; it's not as though others did so). It seems that you have a COI vis-a-vis Leiter. Epeefleche (talk) 12:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I last edited Leiter in 2012, I have edited hundreds of entries about philosophers! Everyone is in e-mail correspondence with him, he has the most widely read blog in academic philosophy. You cited an article in which he said several readers had e-mailed him about Critchley, that's where I got that information!!! What is your agenda? -- Philosophy_Junkie

May 2015

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. This appears to bedevil many of your entries. Please provide RS support. Epeefleche (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Philosophical Gourmet Report. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor then please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. As you have now been informed more than once, you cannot add an opinion piece as RS support for a statement. Please either do not add such a statement, or find RS support for it and add that RS support. Your continued adding of non-RS-supported text is problematic. Epeefleche (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are the one who should lose editing privileges, since you have been repeatedly accused or retaliation, your edits reflect ignorance of the subject, and when confronted, you immediately question the motives of those who challenge you. I have been editing philosopy entries for almost ten years. Your edits are ignorant and prejudicial.

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Philosophical Gourmet Report. As here. You continue to blank RS-sourced appropriate material. That is not appropriate. Your rationale is baseless. I have no COI. Your further rationale is also baseless -- this is proper editing to fix an article, properly sourced to RSs. And there have been no reality-based accusations -- just an SPA's non-reality-based accusations, which curiously match yours. And I note that the SPA who first appeared this weekend has now disappeared. As you have appeared. Epeefleche (talk) 02:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- - Please stop threatening me, you are the one acting improperly. I have edited philosophy pages for almost ten years. You have a clear COI which would explain your strange editing of philosophy entries. Please stop.

I simply am warning you, as it is appropriate at wp to warn editors before they are blocked, so they have an opportunity to understand their mis-steps, correct their ways, and avoid being blocked. You've chosen to ignore that. At wp -- we don't care if you have been editing philosophy pages for almost ten years. We care about you following wp guidelines. And not inappropriate blanking RS-supported text. And not adding non-RS-text, such as opinion pieces, to support "facts" in text, which you have done yet again here. Epeefleche (talk) 02:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion at Brian Leiter

You deleted material at Brian Leiter. From the lede. On the rationale that it is "repetitive." The goal of the lede is repetitive in nature. I've reverted your deletion. Also, IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason. Please do not re-delete it. Thanks. --Epeefleche (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That you like it is also not a reason. I strongly disagree that half the introduction should be taken up with the "controversy" issue (which also involves recentism--see the TALK page), and concur with Sneekypat about the need for pruning. I have also noticed that you removed other material from earlier versions about the subject's academic work. Why? I know you think not knowing anything about academic philosophy is not an obstacle to editing this article, but it runs the risk of giving a distorted picture. "Controversy" about a subject gets its own section, it is never part of an introduction. --Philosophy_Junkie Philosophy Junkie (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an example from another philosopher, embroiled in a far worse controversy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McGinn. His resignation from his position after sexual harassment allegations appears in the article (not even in a controversy section), but not in the introduction. Your editing lacks NPOV in this case, and your comments on some of the other TALK pages do suggest you want to discredit the subject. Please consider. Thank you.--[[User:Philosophy_Junkie|Philosophy_Junkie]Philosophy Junkie (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to weigh in that "pruning" does not mean "no mention at all in the lede." Leiter appears to have been a pretty controversial figure for a long time in the philosophy community because of his alleged personal behavior. To move toward consensus, I suggest either (a) restoring a trimmed version of the controversy part, or (b) trimming the entire lede down to something minimal (e.g., "Brian Leiter (born 1963) is an American philosopher and legal scholar.") and leaving the rest for the body. The entry is not all that long, so more than a minimal lede doesn't strike me as necessary anyway. Sneekypat (talk) 19:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The rankings have been controversial, the evidence that he himself has been exists only on some blogs I've seen (until last fall that is). The entry already includes a section on his polemical blog postings. I did try to revise the introduction to include reference to the controversy but from a NPOV. But your alternative is probably fine too, though the "controversy" section should be pruned and probably merged with the section on the Gourmet Report.--.--Philosophy_Junkie Philosophy Junkie (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only talking about the lede at this point. I agree that the controversy section also needs to get trimmed, but lets try to get consensus for one thing at a time. I'm going to make the trim the lede section over on the entry's talk page. Sneekypat (talk) 19:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that sounds like a good plan. By the way, I tried to restore something from an earlier version that Epefleeche removed without explanation, but it included a reference, which I did not format properly it appears. If you can fix that, thank you.Philosophy Junkie (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the clarification about your edits. Why do you not think information posted on the UCSD page counts as an appropriate third-party source for some of the information on Brink?Philosophy Junkie (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand that you have a personal reverence for the subject of this wikipedia page: Brian Leiter, but that does not forgive your violation of the Assumption of Good Faith, nor your incorrect attribution of a "malicious edit" to me, as you so boldly stated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brian_Leiter#Criticism,_etc. In fact, if you'll be so kind to "notice" again, it does not even match my IP address: 2a01:e35:2fe9:4310:bdd7:8b6f:9bf1:5eb9 vs. 24.217.247.41 [3]. I suggest you apologize to me and triple-check before you make such maligning statements against myself and others. Thank you. 24.217.247.41 (talk) 09:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I addressed these issues at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JaventheAlderick. I have a reverence for good sources, facts, fairness, and adherence to the BLP policies. I supplied many of the sources for the criticisms of the subject.Philosophy Junkie (talk) 12:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit Warring

Your recent editing history at Brian Leiter shows that you are currently engaged in an WP:edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree.

You have performed 4 Reversions within a 24 hour period.

The 3RR says an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period. 24.217.247.41 (talk) 00:48, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All editors can see that I have made two reverts, not four, in both case with respect to an editor, you, who has repeatedly disregarded the consensus on the TALK page and other Wikipedia rules. I left one of your edits intact as well, even though I thought it did not make much sense.Philosophy Junkie (talk) 01:04, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I count 3 "undid revisions" and 1 "restoring version". It would be 3 reverts if you counted the two you made at 23:46 and 23:50 as one, but it's definitely not 2 reverts.

00:05, 7 October 2019‎ Philosophy Junkie talk contribs‎ 26,671 bytes +39‎ Undid revision 919973615 by 24.217.247.41 (talk) Same as before, the issue has been discussed on talk page for subject, and user has been contacted via the talk page. undo Tag: Undo [automatically accepted]
00:01, 7 October 2019‎ Philosophy Junkie talk contribs‎ 26,671 bytes -140‎ Undid revision 919973145 by 24.217.247.41 (talk) undo Tag: Undo [automatically accepted]
23:50, 6 October 2019‎ Philosophy Junkie talk contribs‎ 26,671 bytes -140‎ restoring version from a couple of days ago; some edits not supported by sources; refs to deleted blog posts are not acceptable undo [automatically accepted]
23:46, 6 October 2019‎ Philosophy Junkie talk contribs‎ 26,811 bytes +39‎ Undid revision 919971022 by 24.217.247.41 (talk) No consensus undo Tag: Undo [automatically accepted]

24.217.247.41 (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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