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Edits to film editor articles

I noticed that you've made a number of good edits to film editor articles on my watchlist lately. I did have one question: you're favoring the date format "25 December 2009" over the format "December 25, 2009", which leads to inconsistent formatting within the article in a couple of cases. Is there something I missed in the Manual of Style that favors one over the other? Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 13:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Philip Cross! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 7 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 272 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

1. Frances Stonor Saunders - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
2. Brian Morton (Scottish writer) - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
3. Rita Reys - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
4. Charles Higham (biographer) - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
5. Winifred Robinson - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
6. Valerie Grove - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
7. Pia Degermark - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 06:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hitchcock

I notice you've removed a lot of superlatives from the Alfred Hitchcock article. Any reason for this? I don't think they're questionable. What's your line of thinking? --bodnotbod (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Editors are advised to avoid peacock terms. Philip Cross (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for your reply. --bodnotbod (talk) 12:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick follow-up; if this is something you find yourself doing again, it would be really handy to link to (or at least mention) the policy in your edit summary. --bodnotbod (talk) 12:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Harriet Andersson image

An image from an article that you edited, Harriet Andersson, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. - DonCalo (talk) 13:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Revert at Tatchell

That was an inappropriate edit summary as you clearly did not revert me, you added a ref, totally different, and well done for doing that but please do take more care with edit summaries. Thanks, SqueakBox talk contribs 16:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The Lenny Henry Show

Phillip, Trexx and Flipside 'predominantly Black cast.' Philip, The Lenny Henry Show was not a situtation or narrative comedy. It was an comedy entertainment or 'sketch show.' The difference is crucial. Sitcoms tell stories and emphasise charcaterisation and are officially separate from comedy entertainment/sketch as Genre by all major national and internaitonal broadcasters. To confirm this, visit BBC Commissioning at bb.co.uk/commissioning. Willhanrahan talk contribs 11:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

The series in 1987 and 1988 was based around the Delbert Wilkins character and took the form of a sit com. Philip Cross (talk) 11:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Nationality

Re: "The March 2010 page indicates both nationality/residence for several article subjects." I don't see any references to residence as opposed to nationality. I would be interested to know who you mean. It is stated at the top of the page (Deaths in 2010) that the format is "Name, age, country of citizenship and reason for notability" etc. It says nothing about place of residence. Regards, WWGB (talk) 14:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

As a possible compromise, I have added a reference to University of Bradford to her entry [1]. WWGB (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Michael Foot

It's not the scale of the defeat that's in dispute, it's the reason for it. You didn't read my edit summary did you?

The disputed edit is here. The user's edit summary was:

"Added 'allegedly' to 'caused a major defeat for the party' - the more likely cause was the media's constant demonisation of him (and of the content of the manifesto) and refusal to give him a platform".

For the purpose of WP this counts as original research, but you are right the media treatment of Foot at the time was pretty reprehensible. Philip Cross (talk) 06:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

ta

Thanks for catching my cut-and-paste error. :-) Flatterworld (talk) 18:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Death of Dennis Hopper

I'm glad you found a link regarding the death of Dennis Hopper. The first place I saw it was on MSNBC, but they didn't have a specific link. Just the banner(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/). ----DanTD (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Gordon McLennan

Hi - has McLennan died? If so, a reference would be good. If not, why have you removed him from the living people category, and rephrased the article to imply he is no longer alive? Warofdreams talk 12:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding "penultimate" is a relevant detail for a summary of McLennan's significance. Unfortunately, restoring usual WP practice, as I have just done, makes for unnecessarily clunky phrasing. The CPGB (unless one counts this [[Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee)|group) no longer exists and it seemed appropriate to remove the previous ambiguity. Philip Cross (talk) 13:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Roth

I've just apologised to the I/P who reported the death today. JRPG (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Israel Shamir

You may be interested in thid thread, in which an edit by you is discussed, though without mentioning your name. RolandR (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Alice Miles for deletion

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Blasphemers

Noting your edit to Thomas Aikenhead; John William Gott takes that unhappy honour of jailing over George Holyoake. Guy Aldred was also prosecuted in 1925 but I haven't checked on the verdict and sentence. AllyD (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, should have checked beyond this news report. Philip Cross (talk) 11:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Tito Burns

Thanks for adding the death of Tito Burns. I created the article, not only because he was a notable figure in music, but also because he was my grandmother's first cousin. Danny (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Mcshane and Smith

A user that said they were the living person Smith the girlfriend of Mcshane is reverting and claiming libel about the additions of User:Shakehandsman and now User:Straw Cat, I myself see the additions as negative portrayal, I have asked them not to replace it and if it continues I will open a discussion thread at the WP:BLPN. Off2riorob (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Seumas Milne

Perhaps right wing is POV, but that what's written in Melanie Phillips wiki page "her gradual drift to the right of the political spectrum has been mirrored by her journalistic career". I thought about using conservative but apparently it is not the case with Ms. Phillips (liberal backround). I'm open for other proper adjectives, since Naomi Klein is described "left-wing writer" in the page about mr. Milne. Furthermore, I don't think "right wing" or "left wing" lables are really point of view. For example, Mr. Milne is clearly a left-wing journalist. I don't know for sure if he adheres to the Labour or any other Communist party but he is left-wing for sure and that is not POV, but a a mere fact. Nik Sage (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Warren Mitchell

Hi. I see you've made some changes to part of this article's career section which are not verified by the relevant citation. Can you therefore provide your separate verification of the (Armchair Theatre) additions. Also, what is your reason for removing the reference to ITV which is verified by the citation? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 00:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

There are many applicable citations regarding Warren Mitchell's career. I have provided a citation for the Armchair Theatre tragedy, his multiple appearances can be verified on the IMDb page placed in the 'external links' section, duplications tend to be avoided. I cut "and many ITC drama series, for ITV" [examples] because it is misleading. The ITC productions were made only for the ITV network, the bulk of UK readers can be assumed to know this. It is easy to check if anyone does not know. For overseas readers it is not relevant, the article is not the place to resolve confusion between British televison and the BBC, and I suspect that outside the UK the ITC programmes are still heavily identified with Lew Grade whose image could not be confused with that of senior BBC personnel. Well that was the impression gained when I started working on his article. Philip Cross (talk) 09:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the citation, Phil. Yes, indeed, we all share the onus of checking and searching. As a long-term UK expatriate, I'm keen to know what's going on but lacking interest in BBC or other showbiz politics. I still wonder about the relevance of ITV but, uh, have no intention of making it an issue. I left the UK too early to know about Lew Grade and ITV, but am a fan of The Prisoner (first version). In the '70s and '80s I helped manage some of the Australian appearances of Warren Mitchell (including his first Death of a Salesman directed by Stephen Barry) and others, including Timothy West and Prunella, Tim Brooke-Taylor and Honor Blackman, but, alas, none found time to fill us in on UK happenings. So, more power to your arm! Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Mark Lawson changes

Hi, I agree that my edit that you reverted created a long sentence, but it was at least grammatically correct and actually made sense. This is more than can be said for the situation at present.

Can we not come to some agreement to resolve the matter? As things stand this section of the article is ludicrous. I happen to have faith in the reader's ability to understand the structure of a properly formed and punctuated sentence. There is no limit on the length of a sentence so formed and thus the notion of "overlong", as you state in your reversion, is entirely subjective.

I bet Lawson would understand my edit <g>

Thanks, Sitush (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Change of redirect

Any particular reason for this change? I created the redirect to fix redlinks intended for the film. DuncanHill (talk) 01:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

While some sites and the Time Out Film Guide do list it under the original title, the movie is quite obscure, the Halliwell Film & Video Guide 2000 does not list the film at all, and its seems likely that any user would be more likely to be searching for the original play rather than the film. The material in the WP database on the play is now more substantial in the article on the original author, David Halliwell, whose biographical article I began a few hours ago. The film is mentioned in passing. Philip Cross (talk) 11:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Mary Whitehouse

The claim by her supporters (that they continuly try to insert into the article) that she had support from "all walks of life" is ridiculous - she was certainly heavily opposed by progressives and liberals. Paul Austin (talk) 08:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)