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369th ID and Wilhelm von Malachowski

Have you come accross Von Malachowski? He served with the 369th (Croatian) Infantry Division in late 1943. MisterBee1966 (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

No, Schraml doesn't mention him. Any idea what rank or unit? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Forget that, I assume Major by the time he joined the 369th ID. I'll look again. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, Schraml doesn't mention him. I wonder what staff he joined, div or regimental? If a Major, probably Div, but it would be useful to know, as there is info on what the regiments got up to after he joined. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
His position was with the general staff, I assume Ia, but I am only guessing MisterBee1966 (talk) 10:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

TFA

Today Kosta Pećanac, precious again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik

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January-March 2015 Milhist reviewing award

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User talk:Citadel48

I see you have also been trying to explain to this editor a few things....I dont think they are reading anything people are linking about...copy vios...linking copyrighted material...using grade school sources..etc...etc. I will be taking the time to review all their edits over the weekend I hope....was wondering if you could also take a peek at these edits as Wikipedia:Competence is required may be a problem here. -- Moxy (talk) 01:11, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Yep. And probably WP:NOTHERE as well. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep it up

Hey, PM67 it's been a while. I've only come back to report a likely ARBMAC sockpuppetry case, but I wanted to say your diligence to your work has not gone unnoticed. Keep it up! --Potočnik (talk) 09:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

G'day, good to hear from you. Hope all is well. Thanks. I've kept on going with Bora, not without some help from others. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 15:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Denny

Thank you so much for the phenomenal job you did on this article. It's fantastic to see a featured-quality article on a character who'd always interested me. I'm not sure how Denny came to your attention, but I hope one day you'll decide to do another Australian veteran politician! The Drover's Wife (talk) 14:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I enjoyed it, made a nice change from Yugoslavia in WW2. I was looking at our State War Memorial article, and came across his name. He's a croweater, not too many veterans among our pollies, if you can think of any other SA veterans that became pollies, let me know? I'd be interested. And I don't have to work in Serbo-Croat, which makes my brain hurt... Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 15:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
The only other one I know off the top of my head is John Vaughan, but I'm pretty sure there were others so I'll have a think and see if I can remember any of them. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Plenty of WWI vets like James O'Loghlin, Jack Duncan-Hughes, and the very interesting Charles Hawker. Frickeg (talk) 03:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Bloody hell, what a dog act, running against a man at the front... Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment for Rape during the Rwandan Genocide

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Your GA nomination of 250t-class torpedo boat

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Jasenovac concentration camp

I thought that you have reverted my edit, sry. :/ --Tuvixer (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

No wuckers. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 13:05, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik

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Artur Phleps

I added and cited a few more of his decorations. Feel free to remove if you think it is not needed. MisterBee1966 (talk) 21:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

All good. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:57, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 250t-class torpedo boat

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Sturmabteilung name change discussion

The name change discussion was getting to be quite confusing as to who supported what, so I revamped the format and I'm asking all editors who already voted to return and recast their votes under the new format. [1] Thanks, BMK (talk) 12:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

ANI report

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Yep. Thanks for the heads up, Callmemirela. Have responded there. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 03:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome. I find it rather worthless their report and also inappropriate. Accusing of someone being unconstructive because they want something whilst it's been established it's wrong and useless for valid reasons? Citadel48 has been pushing my limits lately. Callmemirela (Talk) ♑ 03:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of August Meyszner

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Please see new note on DYK nomination template. Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Troll?

Editing Yugoslav-related articles, you see a lot of things, but Citadel48 is really starting to wear me down . How long must this go on before I no longer feel guilty about "biting the newcomer"? Mind the minor edit. 23 editor (talk) 23:50, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I think it's time for ANI. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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Axishistory

That almost all of his figures are supported by other sources confirms he is not making these things up or that its his own OR. Also, this piece of specific work actually is footnoted, so you are wrong in that regard. Check bottom of page - [Vojnoistorijski institute] - Hronologija oslobodilačke borbe naroda jugoslavije 1941-1945 (Belgrade, 1964), p.471; NARA WashDC: RG 242 (T-315 roll 1294/537-45). EkoGraf (talk) 15:04, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Would it be a fitting compromise if I cited those two sources for the execution of partisan sympathisers instead of axishistory? EkoGraf (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Added the two instead of axishistory. EkoGraf (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, the second is a primary source, and should be treated with a great deal of care unless corroborated with RS. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations

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Croatia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Independent_State_of_Croatia#.22Yugoslav_republic.22 --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 22:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Stanley Price Weir/archive1

Ye may be happy with something I found. One thing I tend to do with smaller images is to check for better ones... It's not quite FP-resolution, but I found something very promising. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:58, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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Terminology question

Hey, Sturmvogel 66 suggested that AustralianRupert and yourself may be to aid in a terminology discussion taking place here. Would you care to take a glance, and offer an opinion?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of August Meyszner

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Your GA nomination of August Meyszner

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Himmler pic

Why did you delete my image of Heinrich Himmler reviewing the Bosnian Muslim or Bosniak Nazi Waffen SS Division Handschar????

That image is from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/Carl_savich (talk • contribs)

Yep, well aware of the source, and if it was public domain (PD), I would welcome its inclusion, assuming of course it could be fitted into the article in an appropriate spot without sandwiching text (which it did when you added it). It is not PD, the non-free rationale (NFR) is completely inadequate, and the article is Featured, and represents the best of what WP has to offer, including very high standards of image licensing. Adding a non-PD image with an inadequate NFR to a FA is just not ok. In order to meet non-free requirements, it would have to bring something to the article that it currently lacks. However, the article is completely clear that Himmler was active in the creation of the division. The image does nothing more than associate Himmler with the division, and almost completely replicates the image of the Grand Mufti inspecting the division (but that connection is far more noteworthy than the RFSS inspecting a Waffen-SS division). I don't believe its inclusion can be justified with a NFR, but if you can craft a better one, feel free to RfC its inclusion. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Panzeranklopfgerät

Hi, yes tank-door knocker sounds good. I think it refers to a useless piece of equipment, good enough to create some noise. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Loznica (1941)

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Your GA nomination of Gottlob Berger

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Your GA nomination of Battle of Loznica (1941)

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Recent edit Yugoslav Partisans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans


"thus while the Serbian contribution of 28% represented above their proportion of the local population"

I don't see how proportions is relevant to the article

" and partly due to the surrender of Italy."

I don't see this in the source that is cited for this quote. 173.56.116.63 (talk) 19:10, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

2/1st Machine Gun Battalion

G'day, mate, hope you are enjoying a pleasant Saturday morning. I have just expanded the article on the 2/1st Machine Gun Battalion (Australia). I know that you have expressed some interest in the MG battalions in the past, so I wonder if you wouldn't mind taking a quick look and adding to it if you think something is missing. Also, 2/3rd Machine Gun Battalion (Australia) is still a stub, which I probably won't get to for a while, so if you are keen on a project of your own... Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Rupert, having drama on a couple of Yugoslavia articles, so I might just do that for a break. I know a few of the remaining 2/3rd fellas, still marching on ANZAC Day and well into their mid-90s. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Bosnia and Herzegovina/Yugoslavia PD images

Hi! In your GA nomination review at Talk:Marija Bursać, you claim (if I understood you correctly) that photographs published prior to 1977 are public domain in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Unaware of this, I uploaded File:Vahida Maglajlić.jpg as a fair use image. It was published in Belgrade in 1975, so is it actually PD? This article features two more photographs of Maglajlić (one of which I find especially interesting as it depicts her smoking) but they appear to have been provided by a relative of hers. Surtsicna (talk) 17:31, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

G'day Surtsicna. If published in Belgrade in 1975, then it would need to be either PD-Yugoslavia and/or PD-Serbia. Sadly, Yugoslavia uses a "published before 1 January 1966" criteria, and Serbia uses 1 January 1973, so unless it was published earlier it wouldn't be PD in either country, and therefore could only be used with a non-free rationale if it was for identification purposes in the infobox. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Of course. I was hoping for a quirk that would make the Belgrade publishing irrelevant. Thanks! Surtsicna (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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Misclick by me

Thanks for this [2]. JoeSperrazza (talk) 12:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Copyvios?

At WP:RFPP, in this edit you complained about Youtube copyvios. Can you be more specific? I looked at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py_-I17Phqo. It seems to be a recording of an over-the-air TV program and bears the usual logos. It even includes a Youtube pre-roll advertisement. How would this occur if it was placed on Youtube without the creator's authorization? EdJohnston (talk) 02:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

It's the same one I referred to at AE, fn 29. Channel 9 doco. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 02:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion review of Jeffrey Allen Sinclair

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Sorry

for posting the right message to the wrong user? I wanted to post it on Ian's talk page. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

CE frenzy

I tried to use open office to edit out , and to and and forgot the space.Keith-264 (talk) 23:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Aqif bluta

Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). [1]

Reference that he was albanian can i use them???? Kadribistrica (talk) 12:53, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

[2]

[3]

Sorry about the first one Kadribistrica (talk) 12:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

None of them look to be WP:RELIABLE, but I think you are missing the point. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:03, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://m.telegrafi.com/lajme/sanxhaku-i-paluhatshem-ne-mbrojtjen-e-aqif-blytes-26-6538.html
  2. ^ http://botasot.info/opinione/325006/aqif-blyta-plage-per-serbine/
  3. ^ http://www.zhurnal-ks.com/content/?id=1531114162754

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Hastie (politician)

Gday again. FYI I think you might have accidently commented twice on this one (probably a cut and paste error I'd guess). If not my man flu has gotten the better of me and I really am seeing double... Anotherclown (talk) 07:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

No, only once... Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Howdy, it seems User:The-Pope fixed it [3]. Anotherclown (talk) 09:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Doh. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories:for deletion/Category: Croatian Nazis

First off, thanks for editing in the Balkan topics area. I gave up editing on Eritrea/Somalia/Ethiopia topics because I was outnumbered by really strange partisan POV pushing and I assume it's similar. In the CFD space, editors often sincerely think a category should be deleted so they vandalize it to try and make sure their nomination passes. I think what happened here was just impatience, but that's where the sensitivity is coming from. I didn't intend to frustrate you with procedural hurdles and I'm sorry it came off that way. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I see the creation of this category as vandalism, which is why I emptied it. In some cases this cat had been applied to articles I and others had spent a lot of time developing and putting through assessment processes, and we often end up spending way too much time just defending the status quo against POV-warriors, whether in categorisation or otherwise. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:09, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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A humble request...

Hello Peacemaker67! I have a request – could you and your colleagues at WP:MILHIST please take a look at the article Military Airspace, and figure out if it can be salvaged, or should be merged somewhere, or should perhaps be deleted? I came across this article during a recent failed WP:RfA, and it's really beyond me to figure out what should be done with it, so I figured I'd run it by someone WP:MILHIST to see if they could figure out what to do with it. Thanks in advance. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ihlefeld

Hi, may I ask you to have a look at Herbert Ihlefeld#Balkan Campaign? Just to be sure that I got this right. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure MisterBee1966 Just a few minor things from Shores, Cull and Malizia Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete (1987) Grub Street, London.
  • p.194 - states that the Nis airfield was practically deserted and that Ihlefeld was hit by small arms fire and wounded slightly in the head
  • p.338 states that I(J)/LG 2 was based at Molaoi during the operations against Crete
  • p.383 states that in the action in which Ihlefeld claimed his 36th, his wingman Leutnant Fritz Geisshardt also claimed a Hurricane (his 19th), both over Maleme. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 19:10, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I added the details MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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On behalf of the coordinators of the Military History Wikiproject, I am pleased to award you the A-Class Medal with Swords for your great work on Yugoslav monitor Drava, August Meyszner, and Gottlob Berger. Well done and keep it up :-) ! Cheers, MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:41, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks MB! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 05:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, Tom! You too! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Abbeville review

Just found your assessment comment, did the disclaimer in the lead have adequate prominence? ThanksKeith-264 (talk) 18:48, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

I think so, but it just confirms my view that it is currently too one-sided for B. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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request on the Dispute resolution noticeboard

I have placed a request on the Dispute resolution noticeboard: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Aloysius_Stepinac Erosonog (talk) 02:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Yep. I reckon that's a big target for a little gun, but you go right ahead. You'd be better off focussing on each of your concerns in turn and neutrally RfC'ing them on the talk page. Poor definition of the issue(s) for starters, and your obvious focus on "righting wrongs" and only being interested in the lead are flags for WP:NOTHERE. Good luck. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 08:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Abbeville redux

MWAK has been adding material with much more detail about the French and Germans, making the article much less lop-sided. When he's finished I'll ask you to revist. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

ping me when he's done, happy to have another look. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

DR/N Case on Aloysius Stepinac

Hey Peacemaker, I've accepted the case for mediation at DRN and I have attempted to break down the overall dispute into its component "chunks". I'd greatly appreciate if you could see if I have found the component areas so that discussion can start and we can reach an agreement on the content. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 03:50, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that you're right about {{Infobox cardinal styles}}, unless Erosonog has contacted you via other means. I got the impression from his vote on the RfC that he was strictly limiting his acceptance to the non-use of {{Infobox criminal}}. Happy to be proven wrong here (one less thing to work through). Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 13:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

MHA

Gday. I'm mindful that this may sound offensive to others so I'll try to choose my words carefully. I'm writing this simply to give you some background that you may or may not have been aware of. FWIW, I believe the editor that sometimes lists these is well-meaning but may have some challenges in real life that sometimes present difficulties for them here. Policy [4][5] aside, I have sometimes tried to take a softer approach as a result. Regardless, I agree with your points re the purpose of MHA overall and I concede its likely that my reticence to address the issue previously (for the reasons I stated above) may have contributed to the current situation. All the best. Anotherclown (talk) 09:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the steer. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Backlog target?

Peacemaker67, you recently changed one of the tagets on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/October 2015 backlog reduction drive.

Backlog: Military history articles needing attention to structure

Goal: 15,000 articles
Current: 15,012 articles
Initial: 14,676 articles

It looks very odd to me that the Goal is actually higher than the Initial. Hamish59 (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. The reality is that it will continue to go up as the B-Class checklists get completed, as all Stubs have no structure. Follow me? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
OK, understood. Hamish59 (talk) 11:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
No prob. It is a bit counter-intuitive. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 12:55, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Italo-Greek War

I revamped the article here [[6]], mainly to try to avoid cumbersome headings and apply one prose stylee to the article. Keith-264 (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Government of National Salvation

Hello. My edit was reverted by you. Can you please explain to me the sentence: "The Nedic´ regime enjoyed some support"? Yoav Nachtailer (talk) 10:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Some Serbian people supported the regime. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Questions about Croatia, et al

Hi, I don't think we've ever communicated directly but I read your talk page because I was actually wondering if you were "an interested ethnicity" of any of the groups of the former Yugoslavia. As you are not, and given that you "spent some time there [Yugoslavia] myself in 1990s (mostly in Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina)", I was wondering exactly what appalled you. I also am not of any ethnicity related to the former Yugoslavia (i.e. Serb, Croat, Albanian, Bosniak, Montenegrin, et al) but I have obsessed about the breakup of Yugoslavia and I am afraid that I cannot share your neutrality, although I wish I could. I consider the election of Tuđman and the HDZ in 1991 to be one of the darkest moments of post-WWII 20th century. Whatever mitigating excuses can be made for this vote (despite polls in Croatia which gave, intentionally or otherwise, the false impression that the HDZ was not the choice of the majority of voters), to expect Serbs to live under the revanchist, neo-ustashist, hatemongering HDZ, bankrolled by the diaspora which deserves the same adjectives, was intolerable. Whatever the Serbs ever did, after the genocide inflicted on them during their own Holocaust, I will always support them. On another topic, have you noticed that various US television programs, which I am sure air in Australia, such as NCIS, NCIS Los Angeles, and ER (which actor Goran Visnjic, son-in-law of Antun Vrdoljak, who merits no description but whose bio should explain enough), among others, (have) engaged in anti-Serb propaganda and storylines. Aside from the ER-Visnjic nexus, I don't understand why, do you? Anyway, thanks for listening. Quis separabit? 01:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

G'day. To answer your question, I was appalled by the ethnic hatred and the violence against those that couldn't defend themselves. Sadly, both Croats and Serbs elected rabid nationalists in Tudjman and Milosevic, and they both fed the conflict in Bosnia. I don't support anyone that ethnically cleansed whole swathes of territory, whether they were Croat or Serb, and I don't consider myself neutral, I consider myself on the side of the victims. I don't consider the genocidal actions of the NDH in WWII were an excuse for Serb actions in the 1990s. Serbs had expansionist plans in WWII, and also committed widespread massacres against the Bosniak people. That is why I say there are no good guys there, just victims, often of their own leaders, who were really only interested in power. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 04:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
And the Croats got a slap on the wrist by the ICTY, took the best real estate (Istria and Dalmatia, stolen from Italy) on their way out of Yugoslavia thus denying (Bosnia) or limiting (Slovenia, Montenegro) their neighbours' access to the sea. And as far as Greater Serbia, where is it? Croatia tried to annex Herzegovina. And Tuđman and Susak died at Walter Reed Hospital, rather than in the Hague. I also consider myself on the side of the victims, and the Serbs fit that category. Had the Bosniaks not allied with the Axis and the Croats not perpetrated genocide and forcible conversion with the approval of a considerable segment of the influential Catholic hierarchy during the seminal battle of good vs evil in history, things would have turned out differently. I wish I could put it aside. I am in NY and have no intention of ever going to the Balkans but I guess it depends on whose ox was gored worse. Quis separabit? 04:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't see it that way. All the people that got murdered, raped or ethnically cleansed are victims. All the old people, women and children, regardless of their ethnicity or religion, and regardless of how many of them got "gored" on each side. None of them could fight back. It is cowardly to terrorise vulnerable people because you have an AKM or a tank and they don't. The bad guys are the ones that had power and used it to prey on vulnerable people. The intolerant, the rapists, the murderers. I don't care what their motives were, there is no excuse for what went on in Yugoslavia in the 40s or 90s, and I don't subscribe to the idea that because more of one people got massacred fifty years ago, that makes them the eternal victim and they can now do what they like without facing consequences. That is a sort of situational morality that appals me. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 04:54, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
" That is a sort of situational morality that appals me" -- fine. We call that moral relativism here. If I am guilty, I am guilty of it. But I don't think I am. History is a seam, and everything is interrelated. Actions lead to reactions, and the consequences can be devastating. When it comes to killing women, children and the elderly, you can rest assured that Serbs have no monopoly on that. "The intolerant, the rapists, the murderers" -- does that apply solely to Serbs? Quis separabit? 05:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
What about what I have written makes you think I would only apply it to Serbs? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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[7] and [8]. Quis separabit? 21:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

So this is not very useful to me. It does not indicate that the topic is 1RR (like, say, The Troubles) nor does it indicate what, if any, infractions I may have committed. Anything you care to add? Quis separabit? 23:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
It is a courtesy alert, as you may not have been aware that admins can impose discretionary sanctions for behaviour on articles covered by it. You'll have to judge for yourself if your editing behaviour might be contravening Wikipedia policies, because if you are brought to ANI for your behaviour, and an admin decides it isn't acceptable, that admin may impose discretionary sanctions. Everyone who edits in this space should know that. I'm just making sure you do. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Done and dusted, Bijeljina massacre


G'day again Peace, I left a comment on the talkpage about the hidden text portions, and a request for a note to be placed (in-article preferably) about distinguishing between Serb and Serbian. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 05:35, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

You are a champion, thanks Doc! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:37, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

WP:ANI alert

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Quis separabit? 00:39, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Stop wasting my bloody time. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Bleiburg

"in and around Bleiburg and its environs" ≠ "including Bleiburg, and certainly not all in Bleiburg itself" -- OK, if you say so. I thought I was improving it but whatever. Quis separabit? 01:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

It's self-evident when you read that the columns of people were stretching back for many miles, and were crossing at different locations on the border. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 02:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

ANI, again

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As I've said, stop wasting my time. I don't think you understand what consensus is. You haven't even attempted to address the MacDonald issue. Where is your attempt to achieve consensus with that. You are no white knight here, pal. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:00, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Artur Phelps

Do you feel comfortable with the recent changes to his article? I noticed that the editor has made many changes to a number of articles recently. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I haven't worked out what their angle is yet. The changes to Phleps are really to add in the Yugoslav war crimes charges that mentioned him (Oberkamp etc). I'm ok with them, I just want them properly cited. Some of the other articles he's taking a high hand with. I've no problem with people being bold, but he wanted to integrate the war crimes section of the Das Reich article into the general chronology, and I have resisted that. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Oct 2015 Milhist backlog drive

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2nd Croatian

Sorry about the edit this morning. I got a bit over-enthusiastic (and that was before we finalized the cleanup discussion). Will be more cautious in the future. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

no prob. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Comments welcomed, be as critical as you like ;)

G'day Pm67. I've cleaned up the narrative of 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne (1st French), so it reads more like a sober unit history. Would appreciate a second pair of eyes, especially yours. I've tried to cut the crap and hyperbole mostly. Some of my ed comments are a bit cutting but jeez, some of it..There is one cite that I have provisionally removed, Im not sure if its NPOV. Will check further to see if its not some revisionist. Please reply on my T/P or here, as K.e.c.'s seems cluttered enough with this project. Just need a steer stylistically basically. If ok will continue in same vein and find another article for cleaning up. The 33rd now needs richer sourcing. Cheers. Simon Irondome (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually looks like a pretty decent job... ;-) Not my area of expertise within the Waffen-SS, but it has now been shorn of the thick fanboi fleece it was wearing. Well done to all involved. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Lützow

Hi, thanks for your review and copy editing. I beleive to have addressed all your comments. MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Crap, lost track. Yes, passed now. Thanks for the reminder! Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Citation Barnstar
For actually finding what the sources were for Talk:Bijeljina massacre#RfC Table draft, despite the lack of a deadline . Many happy edits, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 05:24, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Doc. It's just the hackwork of pulling em out. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 05:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of 1st Cavalry Division (Kingdom of Yugoslavia)

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Waffen SS revert

Why? The article says "...in which 84 American prisoners of war were murdered by their German captors near Malmedy, Belgium, during World War II." Eighty-four is not "approximately 90," it's 84. Sca (talk) 00:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and all your loved ones, and a joyous and prosperous 2016.

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Thanks Cliftonians! And happy Xmas and merry New Year to you and yours! Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:42, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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 The Military history A-Class medal with swords 
On behalf of the coordinators of the Military History Wikiproject, I am pleased to award you the A-Class Medal with Swords for your work on Yugoslav submarine Nebojša, Yugoslav submarine Hrabri, and Hrabri-class submarine, all of which passed an A-Class Review between September and December 2015. Thanks for your ongoing efforts! Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 06:30, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Rupert! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:01, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Hello Peacemaker67: Enjoy the holiday season and upcoming winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, North America1000 22:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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It bloody hot down here in Oz, four days over 40C last week, forecast to be 39C on Xmas Eve. But thanks! Same to you. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

I could really use your help!

I can see that you are very well versed in WWII and modern Yugoslav history and need your help. An Anti-Croat Sentiment page has been receiving work. This pages has been put up for deletion many times over the years by vandals and there is constant vandalism effecting the work of the page. The page still has work needing to be done. There has also been a recent editor who claims the page has issues. some of which I agree with, some not so much. I am not that technically skilled with Wikipedia tools (I can edit) or it's protocols, but some seem to have it out for this page. So I could use your help in fixing the article. Some of 23 editor edits make me question his neutrality, making it quite worrysome. Thanks Stariradio (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

G'day. I am not much interested, I'm afraid. No doubt there is such a thing as anti-Croat sentiment, but both it and the anti-Serb sentiment article seem like yet another WP:COATRACK for grievances between Croats and Serbs. I'm neither, and I don't care to support one side or the other. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 02:29, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I guess I understand. Though to be clear I am not asking you to support just one side. Both articles seem worthy. I just wanted you to verify if the Anti-Croat Sentiment article is in violation of the things that 23 editor is accusing it of. Dispite him not being this critical about the Anti-Serb page. If you still prefer not to, it's okay. I hate dealing with that stuff also. I appreciate the work you do around here though. Stariradio (talk) 15:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I have a lot of time for 23, and consider him quite reasonable, unlike some editors who work in this space, so it is well worth sticking with it. I suggest you use only reliable academic sources and work through each issue methodically on the talk page. Thanks, and good luck! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 20:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year 2015

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For "continuing to be a prolific content contributor writing numerous GA, A, and FA-class articles over the year, as well as being one of our more active coordinators," I have the honor of awarding you this Silver Wiki for coming in second place in this year's Military Historian of the Year vote. Congratulations! For the Military history WikiProject, TomStar81 (Talk) 02:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Tom. It is a great honour. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 02:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Congratulations, PM, and thanks for your efforts this year! Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Stepinac edit war

I am not siding with anyone. Just stop edit warring and resolve the issue on the talk page. It is the only option. Again you do not OWN the article, so resolve the dispute on the talk page, or I will have to report you. It is not a threat but I am tired on seeing people engage in pointless edit wars when it can be resolved on the talk page in two days. Tnx :) --Tuvixer (talk) 10:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

The user hasn't even responded to my comment on the talk page, they just posted and immediately pushed POV. If you take a side (which you already have by restoring their edits), then you can also be subject to sanctions. Fine with me. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Again, don't bully your way in the article and resolve the issue on the talk page of the article. I am not taking any sides, I am just trying to prevent an edit war. You know that people like him will revert as many times as possible. So leave his edits and resolve it on talk page, if he does not reply in two day, go to the administrators and let them revert him. Tnx --Tuvixer (talk) 10:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I have edited right across this highly-disputed Balkans space for four years. I know a single-issue POV-pusher when I see one, you clearly do not. I would just have taken him to a noticeboard had he continued to push the same POV he always has. He has just added material to already verified material, thereby changing the meaning and making it appear to be reliably sourced when it is not. He uses fringe sources that seem ok to the casual observer. But, no, you just feel safe, warm and vindicated in the delusion that your intervention stopped an edit-war. If you actually had any experience in dealing with this sort of thing, you would know a POV-pushing edit-warrior when you saw one. Merry Xmas. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 11:00, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I "joined" the edit war, for what it's worth, before I saw this discussion. While I admit I'm not deeply versed in Stepinac story, I've been here long enough to "know a POV-pushing edit-warrior when I saw one." The sources ostensibly supporting the edits just don't cut it – the onus of proof is on the one who introduces a new material. Merry Xmas. No such user (talk) 14:32, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Nsu! Merry Xmas. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 04:43, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Ivan Tomašević

I neglected to put the reason for the article name change when I was doing it. It actually has to do with a colloquy we are having here as to whether or not a war criminal, particularly an officer, convicted of war crimes should be disambiguated simply as "soldier". Tomašević was a general. Join in. Quis separabit? 22:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes I saw that, and have commented there. We use the simplest dab we can. (Croatian Home Guard), without the errant space, is unnecessary, (soldier) is all that is needed to dab him from others of that name.

Chetnik article Talk

Hello. Just wanted to make sure you saw the very last post I made on the talk page. I simplified my argument down to a few sentences in the end. I feel it gets my point across quite clearly. Sorry for the large texts. Fkpcascaise raised a number of questions to me that I had to answer. Maxforige77 (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with sorting out the intro. I was uneasy about editing myself at first but would have spared all the talking, heh. Again thanks. All the best. Maxforige77 (talk) 00:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Good to see you are at it now. Happy editing! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 01:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

December Milhist Writers' Contest

The Writer's Barnstar
For placing second in the December 2015 Military History Article Writing Contest with 42 points from seven entries, I am delighted to present you with The Writer's Barnstar. Well done! Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Re: Grammar query

It's hard to say because the words were something of a neologism in Croatian and were then imported near-verbatim into English, but with little concern for singular and plural. The Croatian singular is the word that ends with -a (pronounced like the 'a' in 'father'), and the Croatian plural is the word that ends with -e (pronounced like the 'e' in 'merry'). There was an attempt to form an English plural with the word 'Ustashi', but it just didn't seem to catch on...?

The main article uses the Croatian plural because they were a group, similarly to e.g. Cossacks. But then when you combine that noun with another one, I'd say it's common practice in English to revert to singular, similarly to e.g. Cossack Hetmanate. So the title Ustaše Militia seems like it should be renamed to Ustaša Militia to match WP:UE better? But do check sources to make sure we're not making up something that's never used in practice. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I had feeling that was how it worked, but it's good to be sure. I'll check the sources before I move anything. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 12:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I did a few Google Books queries and of all the permutations it looks like "ustasha militia" has the best coverage. It looks like that's the most common English term. It might be necessary to investigate whether the main article could be renamed to "Ustasha". --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Hans-Ulrich Rudel

I have listed the article for peer review. If you have time, I would appreciate your feedback. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

G'day MB. I may not get to him, as I'm going away for a week's holiday in a couple of days. If he's still there when I get back I'd be happy to take a look. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:52, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, apparently that's that...

For the present time at least. Needless to say, I was won over by your arguments and sourcing and I continue to feel that was a WP:SNOW issue forced, by way of decree, against both community and local consensus. Still, if Drmies does not feel there is a rigorous case to be made for abuse of privileges, there are limited options remaining if Fut. Per. is willing to use his tools to impose that reading. You could always raise the matter at WP:VPP, WP:BLPN, or WP:CD; a more robust display of community support for the standard application of verifiability principles might cause Fut. Per. to re-examine acting unilaterally. But you can bet the debate will remain just as onerous as the last one, with many of the same arguments furthered, and by similar parties. Unless you have a surplus of time and patience, may be best just to let the issue rest for now, though I don't like saying as much.

I'm rather concerned by the degree to which OR approaches seem to be becoming more and more tolerated in certain areas, often through the vague invocation of "BLP" as a buzz word even where there isn't a specific community-supported principle offered that is found anywhere in WP:BLP (or elsewhere in policy) that actually supports the specific argument being made, as I feel was the case here. Maybe that observation is impressionistic and inaccurate, but it just seems like every other RfC I participate in lately involves a protracted fight against obvious synth that would have quickly been dealt with a year and a half ago. Maybe its a good sign, as our new editor numbers are supposedly moving upwards again for the first time in years, but it often seems to originate with experienced editors who really ought to know better. Anyway, that's by diatribe on the matter; better luck next time! Feel free to ping me to the discussion if the matter is revisited. Snow let's rap 08:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Seems to me that Fut.Perf. supervoted based on his idea it was a BLP violation. Unlikely any admin will overturn that action, so we basically have to accept it. Not exactly ideal, IMO. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 08:40, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree regarding the supervote classification. I do disagree, however, that this can't be overturned. Taking the issue to WP:RSN or WP:VPP and casting a light on it would probably generate a community consensus too large for Fut. Per. to continue with what is essentially an abuse of privileges; though I do believe he takes these actions in good-faith and genuinely believes WP:BLPADMINS entitles him to it, this is clearly not the case. Nor is setting aside or pre-empting consensus the role for which admins are invested with privileges in the first place.
For me, its simply a cost-benefit analysis. We've already wasted a voluminous amount of time and effort trying to sort out the detail. I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to the talk page. I think the most basic and essential of editorial principles are being tossed out the window here, and so long as arguments are being furthered on that page which misconstrue basic community consensus on this matter, I've felt compelled to stay engaged and set the record straight on what exactly our editors are meant to be doing (that is, reporting on reliable sources, not their own opinions on a matter). But even that level of engagement is quite another matter from opening a broad community discussion and sucking more editors into this vortex... It may very well come to that somewhere down the line, but I just don't want to be the one to do it. Further, given the verbosity I've had to employ in responding to Collect and Fut. Per.'s notions concerning WP:V, I'm probably not the one to do it. Longterm, I can't help but feel there's no way their approach can stand, though; it's just so deeply in conflict with community consensus on these matters. Anyway, I'll stop choking your talk page, and probably pull back from the talk page as well, though Collect's attempts to reframe the debate are not making that easy. Snow let's rap 00:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I just don't have the energy. Preparing the RfC took quite a lot of time, and the discussion quickly got clagged up with some pretty off-topic argumentation. I doubt any uninvolved editor or admin would close it contrary to Fut.Perf.'s supervote, so it might as well be closed as no consensus. When Plavsic dies, it could be re-investigated, but I've given up the idea of taking it to FAC. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Kingdom of Yugoslavia side article?

Hi there. I came across the article Croatia in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and find it to be off. A number of statements there seem unsourced and written in a POV style at times. I feel that historically sound statements from the article should be merged into the main Kingdom of Yugoslavia article. What do you think? Maxforige77 (talk) 19:12, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Looks like a WP:POVFORK to me, I've PROD'd it. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 08:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
There is some information, if accurate and sourced, that would seem fit for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia article, which is strangley lacking on the subject matter of treatment of Croats in the later years of the Kingdom.Maxforige77 (talk) 19:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I chatted to Joy about it, and agree the topic is OK, and the KoY article is quite big. I just didn't like the title, as it implied Croatia existed as a geopolitical entity during the KoY. I've moved it and I think it is OK now. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree. I mentioned on that articles talk page. Croats would have made sense not Croatia as it wasn't a country at that time. I still believe that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia article should contain a fairly brief section on the topic on treatment of Croats and link to that Wikipedia page if a reader wants more details. It seems a bit glossed over in the KoY page.Maxforige77 (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

with regard to subtle semantics of "Croatia" etc

A couple of months ago I had an extensive discussion with an anonymous editor at Talk:Triune Kingdom#Discussion about the recent edits that you might find... well... mind-numbingly subtle :) but indicative compared to our recent discussion. In the description of a term applied only de jure, I insisted on putting it in a more of a real-world context, whereas the other editor insisted on introducing it more literally. However, nobody else is watching that minor article talk page, and I never got around to calling a proper RFC, so the issue got stuck there. Now after I recalled the issue, I can hardly figure out how to phrase the RFC question. Penny for your thoughts? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I think I'm too exhausted/frustrated by the Slovenian/Slovene category discussion I started last year to engage in a similar one over Croatian/Croatia. I really prefer to create content than argue with people. I also have a pretty hard-nosed view about "eternal <insert currently existing country here>" POV-pushers. Essentially my view is that using the name of a currently existing state to cover periods when that state didn't exist is ahistorical. The talkpage of the awkwardly but precisely named Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia article has many examples of people with a strong POV trying to push ahistorical and factually inaccurate terms that suit their conception of the continuation of "eternal Serbia" during WWII, and I really don't want to enter into a similar discussion about "eternal Croatia" during the KoY. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I think you misunderstood what I meant. The 'Triune Kingdom' predates KoY, it's a term that existed in parallel with the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. So, there actually existed such a subdivision, but it had two names, one of which was a political talking point. Fun :) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Oct - Dec 15 Quarterly Article Reviews

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On behalf of the WikiProject Military history coordinators, I hereby award you this for your contribution of 21 FA, A-Class, Peer and/or GA reviews during the period October to December 2015. Thank you for your efforts! AustralianRupert (talk) 02:57, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Rupert! Likewise. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 03:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Ikarus IK-2

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ikarus IK-2 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Gottlob Berger revert

Here are plenty of reliable sources that verify it was published in 1942.

See http://germanpropaganda.org/der-untermensch/ and for the English translation of the text http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/deruntermensch.html (note "Editor: The Reichsführer-SS SS Office Berlin, 1942 DHM, Berlin Do 56/685")

Here is a full scan of it https://archive.org/details/SS-Hauptamt-Der-Untermensch.

Peter Longerich in his biography of Himmler titled Heinrich Himmler: A Life discusses the pamphlet in the book and in a footnote on p.958 "75. Der Untermensch, ed. Reichsführer-SS and SS Main Office [Berlin, 1942]".--Spider Kevin (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

AfD Stats tool

Hi! So I noticed your note about the AfD Stats tool and how it's undercounting the AfDs you've voted in on WP:ORCP. After reading through some of your votes at AfDs, I noticed it's because you're not using the standard bolded !votes for AfDs. Instead of "Keep" or "Delete", your !votes read "Support" or "Oppose". The tool can't read !votes that are worded this way, basically. I'd be willing to do an AWB run through your AfD votes so we can fix that, if you want. APerson (talk!) 15:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

That would be very kind of you! I'd appreciate your help. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

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Your GA nomination of 40th Infantry Division Slavonska

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Your GA nomination of Mato Dukovac

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Sava article

Still got a problem with no title for the Warship International article, mate. If it doesn't actually have one, as was common back then, use the section name in the magazine.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it did, I'll have to go back and check. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 40th Infantry Division Slavonska

The article 40th Infantry Division Slavonska you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:40th Infantry Division Slavonska for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know.

Moving forward, you may want to consider developing a template listing all of the infantry formations of the Royal Yugoslav Army. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:51, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Good idea! Will get to work on that. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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