User talk:Patton976

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June 2019

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistently making disruptive edits.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Nick-D (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As all of your edits have been to change referenced text to material more favourable to World War II-era Italy without substituting new references or providing any evidence that you have consulted the references, I am blocking this account. As the account has been used for disruptive purposes only the block duration has been set to indefinite. Nick-D (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is highly unfair and irregular to block me indefinitely. Other Wiki editors, please take note!!!

"You recently blocked User:Patton976 for having a "disruption only account". This block was carried out after a fellow member of a wikiproject made a complaint on that project's talkpage. Neither you nor the complaining editor attempted any communication with the "offending" party, not on the article's talkpage and not on their own. Where were they to have defended their edits? On the MILHIST talkpage? Seems totally inappropriate. Primergrey (talk) 12:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)proven "[reply]

Primergrey, please contact me. This cannot be allowed to continue. My edits were made in good faith. There has been an awful lot of negative, stereotyped and derogatory edits make about the Italians in WW2, usually by cherry-picking material by editors who are partial and biased in their own way. It is long overdue, to review many of the Wiki articles dealing with the Italians, and clean them up. For example, it has been proven by many historians that the delay to Operation Barbarossa was not caused by the German entry into Greece in early 1941, and yet still, it remains. It is an argument that has been totally discredited by historians, and yet it remains a "cause" for Germany's defeat in Russia because they had to come to the "rescue" of the Italians. All historians agree that the Italians did not need any "rescuing" from the Greeks; that in fact, it was the Greeks who needed the "rescuing."

Please Wiki editors, it is time to do the right thing and clean up Wikipedia of the blatant anti-Italian bias that has so infused and corrupted so many WW2 articles. Recent scholarship now claims that the Italian performance in the war was not as bad as that portrayed during and after the war. Use more recent scholarship and delete more of the nonsense!!!!

Patton976 (talk) 17:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the above, it seems highly likely that this is the latest sockpuppet of AnnalesSchool (talk · contribs), ~~and I've tagged the account accordingly.~~ Nick-D (talk) 23:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who AnnalesSchool is, but if we have similar opinions, then perhaps that is a good thing and a coincidence. More and more people are starting to realise the truth about the Italian role in the war and are changing their views. Perhaps it's time Wiki editors realised this and are starting to make the change. Enough derogatory remarks about the Italians. For example, when the Italians withdraw, it is a "humiliating retreat" but when the Allies withdraw, it is described as to "retire gradually".

Enough of this blatant bias in language.

And remember, we are a growing movement of very concerned Wiki editors, a dozen or more. Our numbers are growing and changes are happening in a myriad of small tweets and edits, here and there. We can no longer be stopped or silenced.

Patton976 (talk) 10:49, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Patton976 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The reason I should be unblocked is because I am trying to clean up a lot of the erroneous bias and blatantly unfair statements made about the Italians in WW2. There is a lot of new research out there that I wish to edit into many Wiki articles dealing with teh Italian war effort and performance. I believe my motives are good, fair and honest. Once I am unblocked, it is my intention to go through each and every article with a fine-tooth comb and root out now defunct arguments about the Italians as being incompetent, inefficient, etc,.. and insert referenced and reliable material that actually paints a very different view of the Italian military in WW2. Do not be afraid of change, my wiki friends. You have been fed a steady stream of lies and half-truths for many years, usually by Anglo-American historians and amateur historians who should have known better and never bothered to visit the war archives in Milan, Rome and Venice. Patton976 (talk) 11:17, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Your response here, and my examination of your edits, indicates that the block is appropriate. You seem to be here to push a particular viewpoint and not collaborate with other editors on what articles should say. You have also not offered any independent reliable sources that you claim exist for your edits. It is clear that unblocking you would not positively benefit the project, and as such I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Patton976 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

331dot, I have many reliable and relevant sources I can edit in, from more recent research. Give me a chance and I will prove it. But there is no point putting in more recent reliable sources when the rubbish that fills wiki articles about the Italians, are still there. A lot of pruning needs to be done to get rid of the deadwood from the 1970's and 80's, so that more recent scholarship from the last 20 years can be included. Do you accept my challenge, 331dot? Otherwise my associates and I will have to do the "weeding" surreptitiously and anonymously. Patton976 (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

We will not consider unblock requests under threat. Your threat to violate WP:EVADE and WP:SOCK is blatant. If you aren't willing to commit to Wikipedia's core policies and guidelines, there's nothing more for us to do. I'm leaving your access to this talk page intact so you can unconditionally withdraw these threats and work toward a real unblock. If you aren't willing to immediately withdraw these threats, that's the end of the line. Yamla (talk) 18:40, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Indef Andy Dingley (talk) 20:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yamla,

I unconditionally refuse to retract the threats I've made. Unless I am unblocked immediately, my associates and I will continue to remove/alter derogatory references about the Italians using various usernames and anonymous entries. You can ban some of us sometimes, and some of us all the time but you cannot BAN ALL OF US ALL THE TIME! I suggest you start to seriously think about permanently locking nearly all the Wiki articles dealing with the Italian military in WW1 and WW2.22:11, 29 June 2019 (UTC)Patton976 (talk)

Since you not only refuse to retract your threats, but doubled down on them, there is nothing more to do here, and I have removed your talk page access. That leaves you with WP:UTRS to request unblock should you change your mind. 331dot (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As the above confirms that this is a sockpuppet of AnnalesSchool, I have tagged the account accordingly and placed it on record at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AnnalesSchool. Nick-D (talk) 02:36, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 22:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]