User talk:PatrickFisher/1

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I guess you're not related to me! Deb 20:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of arbitration

Hi! I filled an arbitration request concerning the usage of "liberation" in WP articles. If you are interested in, please add your name to the list of the involved parties and type your statement.--AndriyK 20:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding "liberation" to "Words to avoid"

I filled the proposal for Words to avoid. Please find it here. I would be thankfull for your commennts, suggestions and corrections.--AndriyK 16:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AndriyK, L-word and so on...

Hi,

It would seem that you underestimate Andriy, since you say things like That's ok, as long as his edits are appropriate, and from what I've seen, they are.

It would be interesting for you to take a look at his arbitration case, which includes use of meatpuppets to bend votes, numerous personal attacks on and off-wikipedia, abuses of Wikimedia pagemove features and quite a few other "nice" things. So if you think he's an angel, you're seriously mistaken.

I'm all for discussion, but only if the other guy does not have such an offensive record. I'm trying to settle disputes regarding controversial historical topis such as Georgy Zhukov or Victory Day (getting nice comments in the process), but only if the other side is willing to listen. I hope you will consider it before making comments like this... What you say is quite offensive... :(

Cheers, Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It really bothers me that you are constantly making personal attacks, and I want it to stop. This is not about AndriyK, it's about you. You seem to devote an awful lot of time to personal attacks. Here you do it again. Talk about what the right course of action is, not who's a schmuck. As I said, I'm sick of it. From both sides. - PatrickFisher 22:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You pointed out the problem: it is from both sides. Yes, but consider it chronologically. I started to massively edit WP in March. You will notice that AndriyK's behaviour and ArbCom case predate even the creation of my account (18 Feb 2006 IIRC), so he and his attacks were there long before me.

Now consider: A newcomer (in this case me) writes some articles and among these articles, the (in)famous Battle of the Lower Dnieper. As soon as the article is online (well, several days later maybe but it's not so important) AndriyK starts to put POV tags everywhere and starting to debate about vile Muscovites that came to enslave Ukrainians in 1944, that Ukraine being part of Russian Empire before 1917 was also occupation and so on.

This obstinate POV-pushing literally ruined efforts to bring this dispute to an end, attempted by numerous not so radical editors: heqs, tufkaa, and IIRC, you too. Without him, we would have a good chance to succeed. With him, we got what we got.

Consequently, pointing someone at his past transgressions is in no way a personal attack, but a reminder for him and for everyone. I do not give him names, don't call him "svidomy" or something else. The worst epithete I used (and it was general and not directed at him) was "hopelessly narrow-minded". And incidentally, during his attempted ArbCom case, it is just about the only piece of "evidence" AndriyK was able to produce against me. Rather slim, don't you think.

In short, disputes must be resolved, yes, but with people who proved themselves able to do so. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents. I've never said "about vile Muscovites that came to enslave Ukrainians". This is Grafikm_fr's own invention.

That Ukraine being part of Russian Empire before 1917 was also an occupation is my personal opinion. I expressed it at talk only because I was asked. I do not push it "everywhere". I never wrote anything similar in the article text, bacause I understant that many people would disagree with it and I respect other people's opinion. We have to do our best to find a neutral formulation and make the wikipedia free from Stalinst, anti-Stalinist, Soviet, anti-Soviet or whatever else propaganda. This is what I try to do here.--AndriyK 18:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I daresay, nobody is innocent in this history (including me and AndriyK). So, let's go through an external opinion to settle this... -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 18:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfC about Irpen's conduct

Hi! We filled a request for comment concerning the conduct of User:Irpen. Your comment is kindly invited.--AndriyK 18:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Battle of the Lower Dnieper/Lviv]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.