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July 2024

Hi ParvatPrakash, kindly do not revert my changes at the Mahavira Wiki Page beacuse of your personal reasons that you've been struggling through last few months. The old image used is a very well known image of Mahavir Swami. If I wanted I could also have removed another Shwetambar tradition image from the page but I am a secular Jain scholar from Canada. Just refining Jainism for people here. Kindly do not spread sectarian supremerism. Peace. (talk • contribs) 07:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any reverts are because of loss of information produced by your edits. Images are unimportant as long as they indicate the same person. However, deleting other information that you don't believe in is not acceptable. I'll keep your image as you say, but deleting any other information is vandalism. See Wikipedia:Vandalism ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ParvatPrakash, as described in bold text by the introduction of the policy you've linked to, accusations of vandalism (malicious / intentional damage to the encyclopedia) are probably wrong here. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I could have been wrong. Just noticed the details. However, User:Dennis Dijkstra deleted details about the spouse and children of Mahavira. These changes were without references. They seemed to be vandalising edits to me. So, to not engage in edit war with the user, I thought to keep the image same as suggested by them. However, unexplained deletion of information seemed unnecessary to me. I could very well be wrong here though. ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I tried to discuss the reason with the user on their talk page. I have been trying to do that since yesterday. They keep changing the page without responding to my message on their talk page. I also warned them multiple times, but they did not respond with an answer. I have warned the said user over 5 times since yesterday.

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Once you have achieved consensus for your changes on the article talk page, but not before, you can ask for an unblock. Yamla (talk) 09:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi ParvatPrakash, the correct place for such a discussion is the article's talk page, and you can still edit that page. Please create a new section there explaining your preference. You can then use {{Please see}} at User talk:Be Jain to invite Be Jain to the discussion. I'd be surprised if this doesn't result in discussion, but if it really doesn't and you are really ignored, see WP:DISCFAIL for a helpful essay describing a way to proceed. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you so much. I didn't know about this policy. Still learning as I go. I'll keep in mind to discuss difference on the article's talk page instead of the user's. I think I just swayed cause I was warning them for the other disruptive edits they were making. Thanks again. ParvatPrakash (talk) 06:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good, no worries. Thank you very much for starting the discussion at Talk:Rishabhanatha#Image_of_the_subject; this is a very good start. Citing guideline sections, looks perfect to me. Of course, there may be disagreement about whether the guideline actually supports your image choice, and if you remain in disagreement, you may need a third opinion or a RfC. But that's not something to be done at the start, that's just an option one should keep in mind for now. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 2024

Hello, I'm Cassiopeia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Hinduism and Jainism, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cassiopeia talk 09:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes I did not provide a source because it was already present in the footnote to the section. It was also present in the reference at the end of the sentence I added. ParvatPrakash (talk) 09:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jainism page edit warring - Oct 25

Hi ParvatPrakash, I have been asking you continuously for discussion on talk page regarding your recent edits in History section of your Jainism page and engaging in edit war. 1. Your content is not in tune with the section of the page. The section simply mentions Jain poet Shrimad Rajchandra's contribution in colonial era.

2. There is no mention of Shrimad Rajchandra as a monk which you are stating. So there is no context in your lines.

3. In one of the comments, you mention that "largest sect" doesn't recognise "Shrimad Rajchandra sect". There is no mention of Shrimad Rajchandra sect so this again is out of context. Secondly, numerical strength of sects don't get them any authoritative power to recognise or reject others.

4. The sources you provided from Shrimad Rajchandra website have no mention about other sects. Mr. Yugbhushan's personal views are not Wikipedia's voice to be accepted in Jainism's history section. Please provide sources from academic scholarship.

5. Please refrain from deleting random lines. Livingstonshr (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have already rephrased my content. With all due respect, if you found anything controversial with my content, you should've ideally initiated the discussion on the talk page. Shrimad Rajchandra and his sect are related. If you mention one, you simply also refer to the other. His practices aren't accepted by other sects, and if you didn't know that, I can cite numerous sources from religious texts of all the historically recognized sects. Numerical strength is acceptable or not is not the point of discussion. Svetambara and Digambara are the only two historical sects. The rest are sects started later by laypersons. I did not delete random lines. One can simply not mention that Shrimad Rajchandra is revered without reliable sources. My point still stands. ParvatPrakash (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your actions are clearly agenda driven, biased and sectarian in nature. You omitted a content which was present on the page since more than a decade, without any interest in gaining consensus. Shrimad Rajchandra and sect formed by his followers after him are not related. None of us are here to decide which sects are correct and which ones are not. The history section simply states his works and contributions. All notable saints have critics from other sects, Mr. Yugbhushan, whose personal opinion you cited is himself infamous for proclaiming himself "spiritual monarch" of Jainism. The purpose of Jainism page is only to give introductory information on notable people and places related to it and not to show one sect superior to another,or anyone's personal opinions. Kindly refrain from making any changes further. Thank You. Livingstonshr (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've only reverted thrice. I did not go over the limit of 3 reverts. ParvatPrakash (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ParvatPrakash, you have edit warred about Jainism independently of the three-revert rule. You had been blocked for edit warring before and it led to page protection today. If it continues on other pages, a block without automatic expiry date may follow. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for edit warring if I've violated policies. Usually, I do take care that it doesn't violate the 3RR and try to explain the reason for the revert in the edit summary itself. I understand the reason for this warning and I assure you that this won't repeat. I had taken 3RR as a litmus test. I'll take care to not edit war even without applying this rule. I wholeheartedly welcome your decision to protect the page because it's already a GA and it's fair that editors only with good experience of editing pages on Wikipedia are given the permission to edit this page. Earlier, it was already protected up to autoconfirmed access. I think it's a good move to take it up to extended confirmed viewing the recent vandalising edits and edits with original research. Thank you and sorry again for my careless behaviour. ParvatPrakash (talk) 10:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good. Thank you for your understanding and no worries. 🙂 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 11:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kesariyaji

Why are you adding wrong information? Who told you that court has given decision in favour of shwetambars? Decision clearly mentioned that it has been handed over to jains. If you don't know anything then why are you adding information? It is not a shwetambar temple. Nimit vanawat (talk) 07:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Thanks for taking up this discussion. Your edit was reverted because you deleted several scholarly and court order references. Here is the Rajasthan High Court order that refers to the 30th June, 1966 order by the same court which declared it as a Svetambara Jain temple in point number 6 within this order: https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1130269/

This order was also cited in the line that you removed. One more important point to remember: having such discussions on the talk page of the article in discussion is more suitable so that such confusion can be avoided in future. Thanks again for taking this up for discussion. ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In which line of the court decision it is written that temple is of shwetambars? It is only written temple is a jain temple. Nimit vanawat (talk) 08:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to point number 6 of the stated order that says: -

6. The High Court, by its judgment dated 30-3-66 held that the temple was a Swetamber Jain temple

ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

read point 7 , order of supreme court. Nimit vanawat (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In our view, however, without going into the question whether the temple is a Swe-tamber or a Digamber Jain temple, it will be sufficient for us to consider whether the temple is a Jain temple, or as alleged by the State, a Hindu temple. On a consideration of all the documents admitted, which the State has not, and cannot challenge, we have no doubt that Shri Rikhabdevji temple is a Jain temple and the State of Rajasthan has produced no evidence to the contrary to show that it is a Hindu temple where Jains of all sects as well as Hindus of all sects including the Bhils are allowed to worship Nimit vanawat (talk) 08:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It says that the subject of discussion was not it's sectarian status, but it's status as a Hindu or Jain temple. Point 7 deals with its status as a Hindu or Jain temple. Point 6 refers back to a previous order that says it was a Svetambara Jain temple. Rajasthan High Court in its 30th March, 1966 order did declare it as a Svetambara Jain temple as mentioned in the order's point 6 itself. ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i wonder if it's a shwetambar temple then where is Bhagwan's Chakshu? Or clothes ? Nimit vanawat (talk) 08:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also supreme court declared it as a jain temple by changing high court's decision. Nimit vanawat (talk) 08:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please cite where the Supreme Court said that it was not a Svetambara Jain temple and that they overturn the High Court's order. I did not find any such references. About the iconographical changes, Svetambara Jain idols are both clothed and unclothed or with and without external eyes or jewellery as discussed in Dundas (2002) as well as Padmanabh Jaini's works on iconography. ParvatPrakash (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please read point 11 & 14 properly Nimit vanawat (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also regarding ideology, shwetambar word itself means white clothes, and digambar means without clothes. Nimit vanawat (talk) 09:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect to your opinion, this discussion about the etymology of the word Svetambara or Digambara comes under original research and is not acceptable at Wikipedia. Neither point 11 nor point 14 mention that the Supreme Court overturns the judgment passed by the Rajasthan High Court. It merely says it is a Jain temple as the issue under discussion was whethere it is a Hindu or a Jain temple. A lower court has already decided that it is a Svetambara temple, but is to be managed by the Government of Rajasthan. I did not find references where the Supreme Court overturned this judgment. Please quote the sources you found this information from. ParvatPrakash (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's a shwetambar temple then honorable supreme court should also mentioned it . But they didn't which means it's not a shwetambar temple. It overruled high court's decision and stated that it is a jain temple only. Nimit vanawat (talk) 10:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also provide the proof that it is a shwetambar temple according to shwetambar ideology. What makes it shwetambar and not a digambar temple. Nimit vanawat (talk) 10:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i have also seen that you are in edit war with other users too which means you want to publish flase information and only want to display what you want. Nimit vanawat (talk) 10:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I only post information that is well-sourced. Several times, edit wars happen due to intolerance for each other's viewpoints and I've duly apologized for that kind of ill behaviour from my side earlier. However, a court judgment is not subject to discussion, ideally, as it is a fact. I urge you to provide information that says otherwise, so that I am able to learn about the status of the said temple in discussion. ParvatPrakash (talk) 10:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Rajasthan High Court, as it states in its order dated 30-3-1966, the said temple of Kesariyaji Adinath is a Svetambara Jain temple without any further explanation. If we observe the history of this temple, it was built, owned, and maintained by the Maharanas of Udaipur (as found in Padmanabh Jaini's works and official records of the royal house of Mewar, Rajasthan). Several objects of the temple point to its Svetambara heritage, with idol of Marudevi on an elephant (as seen at Ranakpur's Chaturmukha Dharna Vihar and corroborated by Hemachandra's Trisastisalakapurusacharitra). The temple was also renovated by Bhamasha Oswal of Mewar under Hirvijaya's guidance. These are from works of history. If you believe otherwise, do refer to the works of this temple's history by both Svetambara and Digambara pontiffs for a neutral viewpoint. I do not have a personal bias here, but the court's decision was a judgment and was never challenged or refuted by a higher court, so it still holds until its refuted by a higher court of Law. I would love a chat about this if you are open to listening to a neutral viewpoint. ParvatPrakash (talk) 10:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Supreme Court would not repeat something said by a lower court if it agrees to it. Any court, for that matter, does not repeat something that a judgment passed by a lower court already entails. And if you really feel that I'm mistaken in supporting this view of the Rajasthan High Court, I request you to kindly share sources that support your view and are acceptable at Wikipedia. I'm open to learning new viewpoints that are strongly supported by court judgments, orders, and appeal responses. ParvatPrakash (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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