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Area rankings in cities
While some of the changes you made may be true with respect to administrative area, they are NOT w.r.t. population. The latter is generally more important. Therefore, I am wholesale reverting your edits in this regard. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 00:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- w.r.t = with respect to. Very easy to look up. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 06:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- There is no reason for you to respond by e-mail, and I don't want my inbox littered with Wikipedia messages. Keep the conversation in one place.
- I can choose any country's system of English spelling as I see fit. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 06:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- I am beginning to think you are searching literally. Rankings w.r.t. population clearly indicate ranking by number of persons residing in city limits.
- Knowledge of what constitutes proper Wikipedia etiquette is a prerequisite to criticism of another's "skills in diplomacy and common courtesy". Hardly any other Wikipedian would resort to e-mail to discuss an issue as trivial as this. None of my posts here are rude in the slightest. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 06:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- Much better. But your comment about w.r.t. being "very easy to look up" was rude specifically because it was condescending. And hardly any other Wikipedian so flippantly undo another's edit with the comment "man you gotta realize ______". Frankly, I didn't take the latter as bothersome as your w.r.t. comment. It's a matter of professionalism. Furthermore, be real. Email is the more efficient way of communicating. Claiming it as a breach of etiquette is downright foolish and contrived.
- Rankings by population are listed in the "list of U.S. cities by population" vs. "list of U.S. cities by area". The problem is the inaccurate (or misleading) use of the word "large". The reader will better comprehend the difference when "large" refers to area as opposed to population - alternatively, "most populous" when referring to population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
And hardly any other Wikipedian so flippantly undo another's edit with the comment "man you gotta "...
—your words. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)- ... um ... yes they were my words ... your point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- I almost never begin a sentence with "man", unless referring to humanity, as I consider it crass and low-class. It should have been clear I was imitating you with humorous intent. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- The responsibility of communication lies more with the giver of the communication than the receiver. That fact that it wasn't clear ... whether you think it should have been clear is irrelevant. The "you" in your post was terse - the fact that you cannot see that shows you are oblivious, but it unfortunately also appears to be typical of your comments on this thread. The irony lies in your comment that beginning a sentence with "man" is crass and low-class yet you are clueless as to your own lack of tact, something "very easy to look up". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- I almost never begin a sentence with "man", unless referring to humanity, as I consider it crass and low-class. It should have been clear I was imitating you with humorous intent. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- ... um ... yes they were my words ... your point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
What I lack in tact I make up for by self-awareness, self-perception, and several orders of magnitude in finesse and taste, the latter two infinitely superior to most people I know (why else would they be constantly listening to music that almost certainly will not last a few decades, then?. And, 1) stop responding by e-mail, especially if you're going to post here anyway (what a waste of time) 2) sign your posts with ~~~~ 3) get a life and some sense of humour (I know mine is low enough), too. I've even outright attacked others (I don't any more) in edit summaries only to be awarded with a Humour Barnstar. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- first, you criticize my emails as a waste of time, and then tell me to sign my posts ... ON MY OWN TALK PAGE? See I do have a sense of humor because to me THAT'S FUNNY! That along with the finesse and taste. Second, HELLOOOOO KETTLE! I do have a life; I don't spend my time trolling Wikipedia posts
- This "it's my house so I can do whatever the hell I want" argument is nothing short of suicidal and childish. Irrespective of where you place your comments, you must sign your posts, for the bloody convenience of outsiders. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 08:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- you are not merely "missing the point"; you are ignoring it. So rather than state the obvious as to how you are ignoring the point, we'll approach it this way: when I am assured that you have re-read the guidelines especially taking note of the "courtesy and consideration" parts, then I'll take the time to consider your exclamation about signing my own posts. Or maybe I'll sidestep like you have done several times already to my points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- Fine. I don't need to nag you about what other users here do without question. If you continue to edit here, at some point you will be reminded to follow suit with this convention. Save your inane defiance for another occasion. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 03:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- You are correct when you say you do not need to nag me. And you may remind to your heart's content. I say again, Kettle, 24 hours later, that your redundant rigamarole will not excuse you from your hypocrisy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- It's clear to me that WP:IDHT applies perfectly to you and that you lack all reasoning and logic; I had no involvement in writing or shaping WP:TPG, a directive from the community, and yet your refusal to sign your posts essentially boils down to "Because the first messenger told me so and I despise him". In the words of the character who spoke the line in my signature, I will no longer bandy with you, who are a colossal waste of my time, not to mention the planet's resources. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- The fact that you had to look that up is an indication of sincere psychopathic problem - where as before I may have lightheartedly attributed it to aspergers, now I see that you need help. You may sidestep the issues that I have called you out on; you may ignore all the ways that you have violated common courtesy and professionalism. And as long as you do, I'll remain here to hold up the mirror towards yourself. Courtesy and consideration. Very easy to look up. must sign your posts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- No it is a product of my excellent memory and familiarity with the lore of Tolkien, from one of the most memorable dialogues in his entire output. If you are referring to my knowledge of these Wikipedia tenets, that's a result of my eight years as a contributor here. I cannot stress this enough, but making judgments about someone else's character from a short, pathetic conversation such as this, OR a single edit summary intending to mock YOUR lack of professional tone (when I usually say nothing at all or give a concise, accurate summary of my edit), is more of an indication of the judge rather than the judged.
You may sidestep the issues
You have done exactly that, by continuing along the same WP:CONSENSUS-disregarding path which you trod before. The definition of insanity is using the same method ad infinitum and expecting different results. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 15:43, 18 June 2014 (UTC)- And once again ignoring the glaringly obvious. I don't care about your affinity for Tolkien. I was referring to you siting the Wikipedia source claiming that you did not write it, while ignoring and sidestepping the issue. I cannot stress this enough, you may twist this into something else as much as you like, I'm still joyfully holding the mirror towards you. Also, in keeping with you willfully ignoring the clear evidence, the Wikipedian who edited Houston after me changed it in favor of my point. But go ahead and continue with not practicing what you preach about insanity. "I will no longer bandy with you" - I see that you even ignore your declarations and definitions - by your own definition, you are insane.
- You are a coward. You revert YOUR posts while insulting me in the edit summary "what a farce of a diploma", continuing to prove your unethical and unprofessional behavior. Your baseness knows no bounds. It is clear that I am not the first nor will I be the last to call you out on it for others to see. THANK YOU for that.
- For those who are keeping track, after continuous insults (see edit history), the user Lieutenant of Melkior continues to harass by deleting posts on my talk page. I will continue to enjoy calling him on it.
- You are a coward. You revert YOUR posts while insulting me in the edit summary "what a farce of a diploma", continuing to prove your unethical and unprofessional behavior. Your baseness knows no bounds. It is clear that I am not the first nor will I be the last to call you out on it for others to see. THANK YOU for that.
- And once again ignoring the glaringly obvious. I don't care about your affinity for Tolkien. I was referring to you siting the Wikipedia source claiming that you did not write it, while ignoring and sidestepping the issue. I cannot stress this enough, you may twist this into something else as much as you like, I'm still joyfully holding the mirror towards you. Also, in keeping with you willfully ignoring the clear evidence, the Wikipedian who edited Houston after me changed it in favor of my point. But go ahead and continue with not practicing what you preach about insanity. "I will no longer bandy with you" - I see that you even ignore your declarations and definitions - by your own definition, you are insane.
- No it is a product of my excellent memory and familiarity with the lore of Tolkien, from one of the most memorable dialogues in his entire output. If you are referring to my knowledge of these Wikipedia tenets, that's a result of my eight years as a contributor here. I cannot stress this enough, but making judgments about someone else's character from a short, pathetic conversation such as this, OR a single edit summary intending to mock YOUR lack of professional tone (when I usually say nothing at all or give a concise, accurate summary of my edit), is more of an indication of the judge rather than the judged.
- The fact that you had to look that up is an indication of sincere psychopathic problem - where as before I may have lightheartedly attributed it to aspergers, now I see that you need help. You may sidestep the issues that I have called you out on; you may ignore all the ways that you have violated common courtesy and professionalism. And as long as you do, I'll remain here to hold up the mirror towards yourself. Courtesy and consideration. Very easy to look up. must sign your posts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- It's clear to me that WP:IDHT applies perfectly to you and that you lack all reasoning and logic; I had no involvement in writing or shaping WP:TPG, a directive from the community, and yet your refusal to sign your posts essentially boils down to "Because the first messenger told me so and I despise him". In the words of the character who spoke the line in my signature, I will no longer bandy with you, who are a colossal waste of my time, not to mention the planet's resources. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 07:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- You are correct when you say you do not need to nag me. And you may remind to your heart's content. I say again, Kettle, 24 hours later, that your redundant rigamarole will not excuse you from your hypocrisy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- Fine. I don't need to nag you about what other users here do without question. If you continue to edit here, at some point you will be reminded to follow suit with this convention. Save your inane defiance for another occasion. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 03:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- you are not merely "missing the point"; you are ignoring it. So rather than state the obvious as to how you are ignoring the point, we'll approach it this way: when I am assured that you have re-read the guidelines especially taking note of the "courtesy and consideration" parts, then I'll take the time to consider your exclamation about signing my own posts. Or maybe I'll sidestep like you have done several times already to my points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs)
- This "it's my house so I can do whatever the hell I want" argument is nothing short of suicidal and childish. Irrespective of where you place your comments, you must sign your posts, for the bloody convenience of outsiders. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 08:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
My two cents
@User:Paisan1, @User:Lieutenant of Melkor. My two cents from an uninvolved editor: You both need to step back and move on to each work on something else for a bit. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Iron, I would be very willing to show you how I offered him to step back AT THE BEGINNING, via email. I saved them all. And evidenced above, he had numerous opportunities to accept the points I made, admit his fault, or at the very least move on, FROM MY TALK PAGE. I have already investigated further steps, but when I find someone like this I appreciate the entertainment value. We'll see if he has learned anything.
- I don't think you're getting the notion of stepping back. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps you have a different notion than the rest of us. He chose to continue his harassment ... so he did not take my suggestion of stepping back. Not sure how to go with you on this.
Are you stupid or totally void of common sense? Since you have chosen to accept automatic archiving, the bot will automatically place the above thread in about 90 days' time at Archive 1 anyway. There is no need for multiple copies of the same thread at one page, as was the case in this old version.
Secondly, you need to read up on what vandalism is. None of my edits ever were, and with the possible exception of this, none of yours are, either. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 03:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I and others have warned you for months, Melkor. You are now unable to say you lacked warning.
- I have no reason to respect you or heed your words, especially since you are not an admin. "Don't be too proud of your nonexistent authority. The ability to make empty threats at others is insignificant next to the power of The Force". "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 03:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- You are mistaken in thinking that I want or value your respect. But as I said just a few lines above ...
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ANI thread
The fact that you leveled completely unsubstantiated accusations at me here is not appreciated. Please note that serious accusations without evidence can be considered a personal attack. In addition, it is required to notify subjects of a discussion on WP:ANI regardless of whether there is substantiated evidence or not. Thanks. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- @IronGargoyle: The fact that you consider it "unsubstantiated" cannot be helped if you come to that conclusion given the objective evidence in its totality; I specifically used "appears" to be and I "suspect" and I referred to substantiated evidence for it. However, I thank you for calling my attention to my error about the notification.--Paisan1 (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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- Sorry if this is a bit WP:DTTR Paisan1 (given that you did create this account years ago although without too much editing), but if you received one of these previously I missed it. If it's already pointless and redundant, well, so much the better. CMD (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Lieutenant of Melkor
He has not been banned. For some reason he tagged his user page for speedy deletion. If he were banned, his user page would display a message stating that he had been banned. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- By the way, read the boomerang essay. He isn't being very civil, but neither are you. If you continue being uncivil, especially at WP:ANI, you risk being blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Mr. McClenon, I mean no disrespect (honestly) but I am not worried about being blocked. I presume that the boomerang essay is about retaliation (I honestly have no time to read it today because of my obligation to provide diffs and references AND I have other professional projects that need urgent attention. I commit to reading it tonight or tomorrow). I will continue to retaliate against aggressors as is my nature in all aspects; I am not someone who lets people who exhibit troll tendencies to get away. Also I assert that I was never uncivil at ANI. There have been misunderstandings about one particular comment I made and on the record I withdrew the comment AND left it there for scrutiny and accountability. I still very much regret it but that should objectively be seen as the only instance. In all other instances of my communications in the history of my edits and contributions I hope you would find in me someone who is civil and professional with everyone. Thank you for your post, Mr. McClenon.--Paisan1 (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Paisan1, do me a favor and generally back down on responding ad nauseam to LoM at the ANI thread. As you can see, I just proposed that his indefinite block be restored. The more the waters are muddied the harder this proposal will be to carry out. That's not to say you shouldn't participate: please do. But just keep in mind that if the waters get muddied it's likely that nothing's going to happen. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- Also, regarding the thread about your supposed canvassing... I see from your user page that you're part of the profession. As such, you may (not sure about your state) have heard of the ethical standard formerly part of the ABA Canons (and still in some states part of the ethical standards for judges): to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. That standard is alive and well concerning all conduct on Wikipedia, for better or worse. And it's not so much an appearance of impropriety standard as a "potential of being cast in a light that gives it the appearance of impropriety". People here get really, really sensitive about that stuff. I'm not saying you did wrong (I haven't even looked), but that it's probably not a fight worth fighting... you're an inexperienced user, and as such a mea culpa will go a long way. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
- @Mendaliv:I take your words to heart. It is my right to try to elicit others to involve themselves in a case such as this - sort of like a subpoena of witnesses. HOWEVER, wisdom trumps rights - if it is wiser for me to be a little more cautious about the alleged canvasing (and I get the appreciative impression that you are simply telling me to be cautious) then I will gladly do so. I very much want the opinion and review of Killerchihuahua who called him out on deleting posts. But I'll leave it alone under your advisement. Thank you again for you objectivity on all of this. Again, I will follow your advice.
- Paisan1, do me a favor and generally back down on responding ad nauseam to LoM at the ANI thread. As you can see, I just proposed that his indefinite block be restored. The more the waters are muddied the harder this proposal will be to carry out. That's not to say you shouldn't participate: please do. But just keep in mind that if the waters get muddied it's likely that nothing's going to happen. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
By the way, have you seen his new user page? "Lieutenant of Melkor is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia whenever the community rids itself of double standards, adopts an instant-block policy towards those who call others out for clinical conditions (regardless of intent/tone), sets a cap at the number of administrators to 1,000 or less and more stringent criteria for what constitutes an active admin (i.e. at least 30% non-automated, other than AWB, main-space edits/month), and rid itself of geographic systematic bias. In other words, never."--Paisan1 (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't seen it. I posted in the ANI thread about it, but I suspect everything's dying down. I'm going to post a request for closure soon, I think. And yes, my point was to be careful. I think, actually, it might be good at some point for me to draft an intro to Wikipedia for attorneys, since our normal conceptions of due process and rights for the accused are quite different here (in fact, even saying "due process" in certain arguments can work against you). The fun part, though, is that many of those rights do exist here, just you have to know the lingo. Like imagine having to go from a fact pleading state to a code pleading state (or god forbid, back in time to a common law pleading state): you'd want to learn the system and learn it well before you litigated anything. Also, please please be careful with e-mailing other editors. I'm assuming good faith given you don't have a lot of experience here that you didn't intend to violate community standards when you wrote what you did. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 11:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Mendaliv:. I learned a lot including this pinging thing. So the email thing ... if you have a quick link/essay for me to review ... eh, you've gone through enough trouble. I'll try to find it on my own. I am just used to email being the most efficient way of communicating, not talk pages. I'll find it; and I'll look forward to Wikipedia for Attorneys. Paisan1 (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of a specific essay on the propriety of using e-mail or advice on how to use it appropriately. Just in my experience, you're so much less likely to run into trouble when you post things on a user talk page. People get antsy because responding to e-mails reveals certain private details (e.g., IP address, sometimes real name), and it's just not the most transparent communication means. There were a couple major scandals a couple years back involving off-wiki coordination of editing. Wikipedia:Emailing users discusses the whole situation very superficially. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 18:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Oh and in case you're getting any e-mails now too, if LoM starts trying to get into it with you, I advise you to just ignore it, delete the messages, or whatever. He's gone. Nothing good can come of you communicating with him. It's like my crim law professor said first day of class: don't go out on a limb for your clients. If you get them off this one time, good for them. Next time they'll rat you out for less jail time. In other words, say something wrong in an exchange with this guy, and if he comes back he could conceivably whack you with it. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 11:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, but my wiki "email" goes to an account that I probably see once every 2 years. Advice noted, though.--Paisan1 (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Oh and in case you're getting any e-mails now too, if LoM starts trying to get into it with you, I advise you to just ignore it, delete the messages, or whatever. He's gone. Nothing good can come of you communicating with him. It's like my crim law professor said first day of class: don't go out on a limb for your clients. If you get them off this one time, good for them. Next time they'll rat you out for less jail time. In other words, say something wrong in an exchange with this guy, and if he comes back he could conceivably whack you with it. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 11:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of a specific essay on the propriety of using e-mail or advice on how to use it appropriately. Just in my experience, you're so much less likely to run into trouble when you post things on a user talk page. People get antsy because responding to e-mails reveals certain private details (e.g., IP address, sometimes real name), and it's just not the most transparent communication means. There were a couple major scandals a couple years back involving off-wiki coordination of editing. Wikipedia:Emailing users discusses the whole situation very superficially. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 18:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Mendaliv:. I learned a lot including this pinging thing. So the email thing ... if you have a quick link/essay for me to review ... eh, you've gone through enough trouble. I'll try to find it on my own. I am just used to email being the most efficient way of communicating, not talk pages. I'll find it; and I'll look forward to Wikipedia for Attorneys. Paisan1 (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
March 2020
Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to LeSean McCoy, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at LeSean McCoy, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Explanation of my misunderstanding and apology offered on your talk page, User:Eagles247 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisan1 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've responded there. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)