User talk:Oygsimurg
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[edit]Hi. I noticed your edit at the THKO article. However, to make such an edit its necessary to move the article People's Liberation Army of Turkey-Revolutionary Path of Turkey as well. I understand the difference, but 'Path of Turkey's Revolution' does go very well in English either. Perhaps 'Turkish Revolutionary Path' or 'Path of the Turkish Revolution' would be better. --Soman (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi... Actually Turkish Revolution and Turkey's Revolution are two other things. If you say Turkish Revolution, that means a revolution related with an ethnic-cultural group (Turk), whereas Turkey's Revolution referres to the country. On the other hand, Revolutionary Path is a different topic and translation of the name of largest revolutionary movement in 1970's, that is, Devrimci Yol.
- Turkish Revolutionary Path = Türk Devrimci Yolu
- Path of the Turkish Revolution = Türk Devriminin Yolu
- Revolutionary Path of Turkey = Türkiye Devrimci Yolu
Türkiye Devriminin Yolu, means the path to the revolution in Turkey, and from my point of view, 'Path of Turkey's Revolution' fits... Btw, I have no idea how to move the article People's Liberation Army of Turkey-Revolutionary Path of Turkey. I will also have a look at mentioned article and check whether I can improve it or not. --Simurg (talk) 20:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is that 'Path of Turkey's Revolution' isn't good english. The exact translation would be 'Path of the Revolution of Turkey', but that's a bit awkward. I think 'Path of the Turkish Revolution' is perhaps the best wording, in the same line as we talk about Russian Revolution or Chinese Revolution (even though Russian and Chinese ethnic groups have different boundaries than the states in question). --Soman (talk) 20:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I understand that "Path of Turkey's Revolution" isn't good English, and that "Path of the Revolution of Turkey" is a bit awkward. But taking into consideration all the discussions and quarrels on the words "Turkish" and "related to Turkey", "Turkish" doesn't express the political concept of the group. On the other hand, same problems occurs when we say "Russian Revolution". When you say "Russkaya", you mean an ethnic Russia; when you say "Rossiiskaya", you mean the country without any ethnic origin. Unfortunatelly English has no possibility to show the difference. As for the Chinese Revolution, Chinese doesn't mean an ethnicity, but "People who reside in and hold citizenship of the People's Republic of China". Largest ethnicity in China is Han Chinese. When you say Turkish, you echo the official definition, that is, "The Turkish people (Turkish: Türk), also known as the "Turks" (Türkler) are defined mainly as citizens of the Republic of Turkey. An early historic text provided the definition of being a Turk as "any individual within the Republic of Turkey; whatever his/her faith or racial/ethnic background; who speaks Turkish, grows up with Turkish culture and adopts the Turkish ideal, is a Turk." That means, according to this definition, a Kurd, an Armenian, a Rûm (Roum or Rhum) is a Turk. But in the political concept, Turkish means an ethnical identity. That's why, political groups (especially the leftist movements) are very sensitive in using "belonging to Turkey" and/or "of Turkey" instead of "Turkish". Several alternatives might be
- Path of Revolution in Turkey
- Path to Revolution of Turkey
- Path of Revolution of Turkey
- Path of Turkey's Revolution
- Path to Turkey's Revolution