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Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (October 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ingenuity was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Wikipedia and Express.co.uk should not be used as sources. See the notability guideline for companies and add more reliable references that show significant coverage.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Burger & Lobster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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— Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 17:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Owainchristianpowell! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 17:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (October 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Burger & Lobster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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KylieTastic (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (November 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Compusolus were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Burger & Lobster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Compusolus (talk) 23:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (November 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 331dot was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Burger & Lobster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

331dot (talk) 09:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (November 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

See WP:COI.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Burger & Lobster and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Greenman (talk) 13:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Burger & Lobster (November 25)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by 331dot was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

331dot (talk) 13:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please re-review. I have added in the notable references from national newspapers that you've requested 'notable' citations for. Owainchristianpowell (talk) 09:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Owainchristianpowell. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Burger & Lobster, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no affiliation with the business. I happened to notice that Byron Burgers had a wikipedia page, but Burger and Lobster hadn't. Although I do eat occasionally at Burger and Lobster, I don't work there or know of anyone that does. Why would you assume that I would work there over anyone else drafting an article about any other business? If that was the general assumption, and reason for refusal - I'm sure there wouldn't be any companies listed on Wikipedia!

I'd welcome some constructive feedback on why it's been refused, and why you are assuming this is promotional or biased? I'd argue in favour of this being completely balanced, focused not just on growth but also on the financial losses the firm has experienced. I'm sure someone who worked there or was affiliated would not wish to mention this information! Owainchristianpowell (talk) 09:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't "assumed" anything; I was enquiring, as well as generally bringing the issue of COI to your attention. Given that your entire edit history has to do with this business, this wasn't IMO an unreasonable thing to do. But if you have no connection with this subject, then that's great. Carry on editing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've had multiple rejections with the reason cited as 'affiliated with the business', so it's understandable (after continuing to reaffirm this isn''t the case) when this is continually cited as the reason of rejection - it's going to cause massive frustration. I do appreciate you looking at this, however; I'm looking for some crystal clear instructions as to what is next to do to round of this piece and get it published. I seem to be going round in circles with various verifiers; without clear cut instructions. I've since got back to to 331dot; and hope to be able to draw a line under this shortly - and to have this article published. Owainchristianpowell (talk) 09:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I rejected the draft because the prospect of it being improved to meet standards seems low to me. Other reviewers have left the reasons for their reviews as well, but I will explain again here. You have done a nice job documenting the existence of the business and what it does- the thing is, that's not what Wikipedia is looking for. An article about a business must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the business, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely describing the activities of the business, and goes into detail about the significance or influence of the business as the source(s) see it, not as the business itself sees it.

Your sources in the draft are

a video of an interview with an employee, not an independent source
describes the business activities of KFC in Japan, which is not relevant to this business
a brief mention of Burger & Lobster as part of a larger story. That might support an article about premium burger sales or businesses in the UK, but says little about the significance of this particular business
has a registration wall but seems like a piece similar to the above
a brief story about a routine activity(the opening of a location)
an interview with the founder describing the financial status of the company
a statement from the company calling on businesses to hire Ukrainian refugees
describes the reopening of a location after temporarily losing its license, a normal business activity
a description of the opening of a location, with an interview. The portion reviewing the food might be okay to use, but that's only one review.

Unless something changes, I stand by my rejection. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 20:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]