User talk:Ortizesp/2019

Urko Pardo

Hello there,

thank you for your hard work in this (and other players) article. However, two things: 1 - you were pretty much correct in every category you added, but I feel we should not remove the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS one as he qualifies for that per descent (like Thomas Christiansen, for example; OK, Mr. Christiansen has the plus of having represented the Spanish national team while Mr. Pardo did not, that is why Christiansen gets the SPANISH INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALLERS as "extra"); 2 - the current order of categories is less scramble in my view, with first the personal stuff, then the leagues/clubs in order, international stuff and expatriate stuff last - then, the managerial cats if the subject has any.

Happy editing/week, from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 09:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

• Similar one (and you have wrongly done this in many other players): Diogo Costa, not a Swiss footballer as he NEVER played football in that country, his youth career (and now the senior, of course) was entirely spent in Portugal. Please don't do it again.

Not hoping for any sort of reply, but i come to you to help out and my conscience is clear. Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Diogo was born in Switzerland and lived there till 7. He's Swiss born and partly-raised, and is eligible for the Swiss NT. That's why I add the category, he's a "Swiss" but mostly Portuguese footballer. Urko on the other hand wasn't born in Spain, so I don't know if we can assume he has a Spanish passport unless he goes out of his way to get one. We can put Belgian (born and raised), and Cypriot (confirmed through sources, and national player). Let me know what you think.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, then. Yes, i totally understand what you mean, but we'll only add the "Swiss footballers" category to Mr. Costa's article if/when he makes debut for country. Until then, he has ZERO to do with that nation in terms of football, all of his career in the sport is associated to Portugal.

Have a nice week, again thank you for replying --Quite A Character (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

• Reverted another! David Simão, first club ever (proven, no mention - sourced or not - to previous ones) was Grupo Instrução Musical Desportivo Abóboda at the age of EIGHT already in Portugal. He did not play football in France, he's NOT a French footballer.

Difficult to grasp I see, but we'll get there... Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 11:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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Since when did the Eredivisie become French? I suspect that this was a minor error in oversight, but, still notifying you, just in case.

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Álvaro Morata

Hello there,

you got it completely wrong while changing his youth years, your reference reads, at one point, "Este martes, durante su presentación, el Atlético proyectó un vídeo con varias imágenes del paso de Morata por el club, desde su carné de abonado en la temporada 1997-1998 a su etapa en la cantera, pasando por una foto junto a Fernando Torres.", which means "This Tuesday, during his presentation, Atlético showed a video with footage of Morata's spell at the club, from his membership card in the 1997-98 season to his youth system stint, interspersed with a photo with Fernando Torres."

I have thus reinstated the correct version, but kept your source nonetheless. Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 17:21, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi Ortizesp, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Joe (talk) 20:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Fc Nantes

I saw you edit a lot of things for the team! I am no good at editing but you can make the job done! For many years the fc nantes logo on the wkipedia.com is totally wrong!!! Less stripes than the real one (check official site or wikipedia.fr) Except the fact thas it is wrong some people even make money through internet i guess cause i have seen a lot of t-shirts,mugs,wallets,wall crests etch being printed with the wrong logo and are being sold . Thank you in advance. Ianvou (talk) 19:03, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Mats van Kins for deletion

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Rui Silva

Hello and thank you for creating Rui Silva. Please can you help us to fix the resulting mis-directed links? Most of them have been done but there are a few competitions where both Rui Silva (athlete) and Rui Pedro Silva competed, and it's unclear who ran in which event. Thanks, Certes (talk) 12:08, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Use of squad number 33 in French Professional squads

Hi - just wanted to leave you a note regarding creation of squad list entries for players in French professional teams (Ligue 1, Ligue 2 and the four professional teams in Championnat National) such as you did at Julien Boyer at AS Béziers (2007). The squad number 33 has a special meaning in French professional football. It is not permanently assigned to one player, instead being used for last minute replacements of an otherwise unregistered player from the youth/reserve team. Some, but not all, clubs extend this to squad numbers 34 and 35 also. Many players over the season, from one week to the next, could wear the 33 shirt, and you will not find them included in the sourced squad list. Therefore, it is not appropriate to include a player with a squad number 33 in the squad list on an article.

The rules for this can be found in French Professional Football League (LFP) Competitions Regulations, part 1, title 4, chapter 2, article 576: "All teams must have an unattributed jersey numbered 33 reserved for last minute replacements." Thanks, Gricehead (talk) 09:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Please use RM

Please, you moves were controversial by inventing new name for the person. Please start RM for your system of nickname + surname. Matthew hk (talk) 15:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

And please start updating DEFAULTSORT and navigation templates after you rename articles. SLBedit (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I have reverted another of your moves (involving Joel Silva (footballer, born 1989)) - if you continue to make poor page moves without using RM then I will seek a topic ban to prevent you from doing so. Notifying interested users - @Matthew hk, SLBedit, and Primefac: GiantSnowman 08:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Noted! I'll start using RM when necessary, sorry for that. I usually try to confer external links before moving a page, but I'll be more careful. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 16:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Your recent moved are better but still potentially controversial and could be challenged. I'd urge you to use WP:RM, really. GiantSnowman 18:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

I've noticed you're not fixing links to disambig pages when you move pages (see this) - so I'll make it crystal clear. If you continue to move pages without using RM I will seek a formal topic ban at ANI. GiantSnowman 20:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, Ortizesp. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Primefac (talk) 17:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Primefac: Which venue should i seek to remove the page mover rights of Ortizesp ? See also, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Jorginho and all the thread in this user talk page, since the user keep on making bold move that often contested by other wiki editors, it is not appropriate for the user to hold such rights. If he want to self-revert, he can always post such request in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. Matthew hk (talk) 14:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm still learning the ropes, and feel better equipped to move pages. A lot of the Portuguese pages completely neglect WP:COMMONNAME, and in doing mass movements there are bound to be a couple here and there that slip through the cracks. I think the moves I'm making almost always are justified, and don't require WP:RM, and one of the recommendations on moving pages are to be bold. I will make sure to be more careful with larger pages, and if you have any advice I am more than willing to listen. Let me know if you have questions. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 15:54, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Done. I was on the fence when granting this right because of the issues higher up the page (and even an assurance that RM would be used for controversial moves). In looking at the move log, there are a lot of (what appear to be) valid moves. However, I can see the concerns and frustrations, and when multiple editors are requesting that an editor use the RM process then it should be used. Mistakes will happen, but it does seem clear that the permission is not appropriate at this point in time. Revoking specifically under the "[in]sufficient care when moving pages" clause of WP:PMRR. Ortizesp, if you wish to contest this removal you should bring it up at WP:AN.

As an addendum, please note that the removal of this right will not prohibit the ability to move pages, just to "suppress redirect". Caution should still be taken and the RM process should still be used for potentially controversial moves. Primefac (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC) PS. As an additional addendum, Matthew hk, the proper venue is WP:ANI, but pinging the granting admin is the best first thing to do. Primefac (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Professional debut

Hi, I note you have created a lot of articles, mainly for young players, containing the text "X made his professional debut against Y on DATE". I note also that in a number of these articles there is no source that these players have signed professional contracts. They are making their debut at the professional level, but not as a professional, until they sign a contract. I would request that you revisit the articles you have created and either reword as "X made his debut at the professional level against Y" or provide a source for a professional contract being signed prior to the debut. Thanks, Gricehead (talk) 16:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Mano (footballers)

Hello. Please reconsider your moves of Mano (Portuguese footballer) and Mano (Mozambican footballer) to birthyear disambiguators, citing "convention" in your edit summary. The relevant convention Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer) actually recommends using the most conclusive of nationality or birthyear. The birthyears are 3 years apart, i.e. effectively indistinguishable for the reader wanting to find one of these players. But one is a Mozambican with 30+ caps for his country who never played in Portugal, the other is a Portuguese under-age international who rarely played outside it. I'd suggest that nationality is rather more conclusive than birthyear in this particular case. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

You're right, I undid the moves. Sorry!--Ortizesp (talk) 20:25, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Struway2 (talk) 00:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

David Amaral

Hi, I've reverted your move. If there are only two persons with this name, a disambiguation page is not needed and a simple notice at the top of each article referring to the other one is sufficient. Also, if a disambiguation page is necessary (when there are 3 or more people with a certain name), you need to put a note at the top of each page referring to that disambiguation page. See WP:ONEOTHER. Thanks and happy editing! --Randykitty (talk) 09:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Alan Marcel

Hello! I noticed you moved the Alan Marcel article from Alan Marcel Picazzo, I disagree with the move. The WP:COMMONNAME is Alan Marcel Picazzo, per all five of the article's non-statistical sources. A quick Google search supports this too. R96Skinner (talk) 01:11, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Done, you're right.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)--Ortizesp (talk) 02:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Antonio Díaz Gil

I've reverted this move - you clearly don't get it. I'll be raising your conduct at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 07:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. GiantSnowman 07:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Page moves and WP:MCSTJR

Please read the last item of WP:MCSTJR: Some people are known primarily by their first name only. When it is not possible to set the first name alone as the article title, as with many articles in Category:Brazilian footballers, you should sort with the first name first to make the article easier to find in the categories. For example, Leonardo Araújo is commonly known as Leonardo, and should be sorted as {{DEFAULTSORT:Leonardo Araujo}}. You are changing articles without any backup history or any research just because you think so.

Besides, your page moves are often controversial and an ANI already brought this up. Why don't you stop being way too much WP:BOLD and instead use a WP:RM to see if other people agree with your moves? MYS77 ^✉ 14:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Will do, thanks!--Ortizesp (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ortizesp: "Will do" and you are still moving page without any single compromise... @GiantSnowman, can you take a look at this, since you were the last one who warned him a few days back? MYS77 ^✉ 21:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@MYS77: I raised the issue here - Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1010#Page move topic ban for Ortizesp but it was archived with no action. Perhaps you could start a new ANI discussion linking to the old one? GiantSnowman 13:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

You are still doing this - Rubén García Rey. @MYS77: I am going to re-raise at ANI. GiantSnowman 07:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. GiantSnowman 07:34, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Fidel Chaves de la Torre

Another move who is controversial enough to be reverted. Why, for God's sake, don't you learn how to use WP:RM instead of doing controversial moves? A lot, man, a lot of users already raised questions about your moves and you're still going for it? It seems to me that you want to receive a topic ban, or worse, it seems like you want to be blocked!

By the way, related to the article on the headline: he's not known as Fidel Chaves, he was never known by this during his entire career. Check his move to Elche yesterday: Las Palmas' official web announced his departure as "Fidel leaves Las Palmas", and Elche's official web announced his signing as "Fidel joins Elche". Fidel. Not Fidel Chaves.

Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 15:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

No offense, but can't you see the hypocrisy in your post? If his common name is Fidel then why did you make the page Fidel Chaves de la Torre. A lot of the page moves I make are with your pages because you don't follow WP:COMMONNAME. And I understand that I get some of these wrong, but for every wrong there's 20 that are right. I think it's awesome you make so many pages, but I think it's confusing to list the formal written names of players everytime you make a new page. And I promise I will use WP:RM, but for 95% of the pages I move it's not required, eg Diego García (footballer, born 1997).--Ortizesp (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

One move does not justify the other one. I'm not the one having an ANI about my behaviour and my lack of understanding over the guidelines. Get your facts straight, stop doing controversial moves, stop making promises you can't keep, and learn to use WP:RM in the vast majority of your edits. Then people will stop messaging you about your mistakes. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 01:59, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Topic Ban (page move ban)

Ortizesp, this is to let you know that according to consensus at ANI you are Topic Banned from moving pages until 23 August 2019 (two months). A breach of this ban will incur an immediate block, without warning, of a duration at administrator's discretion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:59, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Your topic ban covers all undiscussed moves; therefore, using WP:RM/TR is not permitted.​​​​ — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Noted, I wasn't aware..--Ortizesp (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@JJMC89, Kudpung, Anthony Appleyard, and DannyS712: please note edits like this and this which both came after the topic ban, in which Ortizesp attempts to rename the articles without moving the pages... GiantSnowman 07:48, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, while this would likely fail the spirit of the topic ban, it's specifically for moving pages. If "renaming" like this becomes/stays an issue, I'm sure a quick amendment could be made. For the record, though, this sort of dubious behaviour is a great way to get an WP:IDHT block. Primefac (talk) 13:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Oh yes, I'm aware this is not in violation of the topic ban - but just shows the attitude of the editor. If they keep it up I'll be re-raising at ANI. GiantSnowman 13:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

• I have reverted some of his footballer moves which I made by obeying Requested moves/Technical requests#Uncontroversial technical requests. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Help with a squad template

Hi there. :-) Could you give me a hand with Template:FC Chambly squad? I see you're quite prolific when it comes to creating new squad templates (and player pages). I'm having issues with figuring out which colours to use. Also, should https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:FC_Chambly_templates be created? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 08:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey, looks good! I created Category:FC Chambly templates, as you suggested. I'm having trouble with the colors as well, but as it stands should be fine - you did a fine job. Thanks for reaching out!--Ortizesp (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Swiss people of Libyan descent

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Move requests

I removed the following requests from Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests because they are moves that you can do yourself:

Technical requests is only for moves you cannot complete yourself for technical reasons. If you wish to have discussion or vetting of the moves, you can do a move request instead. I would also recommend posting at WP:WikiProject Football. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:24, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Ortizesp, you are subject to a page move topic ban. With this edit I suggest you have breached the topic ban (certainly the spirit if not the letter) as you sought to move a number of pages without community discussion. What do you have to save for yourself? Notifying @Anthony Appleyard: who decided that the request for Helton Samo Cunha was a good one and moved it (now reverted), and also notifying @Ahecht:. GiantSnowman 14:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see the topic ban expired. I'll seek it to be made indefinite. GiantSnowman 14:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I am using WP:ANI *correction WP:RM*as you recommended, and am still being chastised for it. I think the these are all perfectly valid move requests, and am completely open to having community discussion over these. Is there something I am doing wrong, as I am completely confused how you would like me to go about this.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

No, you are not using ANI for page moves (at least I hope now). If you don't know how to follow Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move after all this time then we need a CIR block. GiantSnowman 15:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

I meant WP:RM, sorry. I've been using WP:RM as you recommended, it wasn't made clear to me that I specifically had to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting a single page move for each and every page move. Previous requests I've made were moved by users patrolling the page.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. GiantSnowman 14:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi I assume you noticed my comment there and follow-on "not-a-votes" by a couple other editors. I'm glad that it looks like that ANI proceeding has been mostly turned around because those are really unpleasant, I say from my experience with several/many of them long ago. However, it could be helpful if you would post there again, further acknowledging that you would use the regular wp:RM process going forward (though maybe that is said well enough already), and more importantly making some statement on your willingness/intention about numbers/pacing of new RMs you might open. In my comment I suggested you do only one or two at a time, and wait the full period until those are closed before doing another. My reason was that you could then learn from how they went, BEFORE starting another. I have learned and relearned this from long experience with AFDs; when a newish editor starts there they should just do one at a time, not launch multiple AFDs that are effectively duplicative, and cost many editors a lot of time to deal with.

Specifically about the title changes you are suggesting, like the many in this diff which was given at the ANI, I personally am not sure about those. I usually work on articles about places, like historic sites listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places, about which I am very familiar with naming issues and I have quite-well-informed-if-I-do-say-so-myself opinions. I am not much experienced at all with bio articles (though I have started pretty many articles about architects) and particularly not about athlete bio articles. I can't really evaluate the principles you seem to be applying. Like one principle you are doing is to replace a long formal name, like the first one in that diff "Tiago Fernando Penela Silva" by their shorter common name plus disambiguation ("Tiago Silva (footballer, born 2000)") that is more descriptive. This might be okay/good or not, I am not sure. I am not sure whether "born 2000" is used in bio title disambiguation, because I am not familiar there. But anyhow, it looks like there just a few principles you are applying, and one good discussion at a time could establish what the community thinks about this. It is NOT necessary, not helpful to have 37 (!??!) separate discussions. Although you could discuss, in one RM about Silva, say, that you have multiple more examples where the changes would apply, then give a shorter list of 5 or 10 illustrative examples, to help inform the discussion.

Anyhow, I think now it would be helpful if you would make some statement acknowledging the burden put on the community/other editors of causing/forcing many decisions all at once, and hopefully how you understand you could learn just as well from a slower pace. And another thing you could do would be to follow and participate in RM requests opened by other editors. One really learns a lot from that, where one is not so personally involved, I certainly recommend that to editors getting started in the AFD processes. The "Current discussions" is a section on the main wp:RM page, you could just browse on in and begin to participate on regular RMs started today, for example. If you could make an honest commitment to do a mild amount of that, it could be helpful for the ANI participants to hear.

Good luck in your Wikipedia editing, going forward! Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 22:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sammarinese people of German-Jewish descent

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Iranian emigrants to Iceland

A tag has been placed on Category:Iranian emigrants to Iceland requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Your recent creations

About your new articles:

1. You don't need to create 20 redirect pages to them;
2. Make sure the page name is under WP:COMMONNAME. Your creation of Antoñín was wrong (again, for once), and you normally don't use nickname + surname compounds in the article name;
3. You are still failing to comprehend the main issues of page moves, and from my point of view, you're now breaching WP:CIR. I urge you to improve your edits.

Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 02:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I was told to make the redirects. Most of them are to do with diacritics, which is the norm. Second, the soccerway reference lists Antoñín's name as "Antoñín Cortés", which you can check. Third, I have been not moving pages since it's been brought- and don't you have to use WP:RM to move pages I make anyways? Seems like now you're nitpicking my edits.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not "nitpicking" your edits, I'm fixing the utter mess you create. Again, read WP:CIR and improve your edits. You're not a newbie here. MYS77 ^✉ 14:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah, and you ask why I'm not using RM, right? I'm not using it because, as it seems, my page moves are not controversial, while yours are. As simple as that. MYS77 ^✉ 14:58, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

You might want to be a bit more careful yourself then. Antoñín (footballer, born 2000) should be at Antoñín - the () is unnecessary disambiguation since the root name doesn't yet exist. Primefac (talk) 15:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

I urge you to be a little more respectful of Ortizesp's work, @MYS77:. I frequently come across articles Ortizesp has created and almost all of them have been without major issues. Ortizesp makes mistakes but is also a prolific contributor. I know Ortizesp has been brought to AN/I for page move issues but my impression is that they have taken the criticism on board.

As an outside observer of this interchange here, it's not clear to see where they went wrong in the three examples. I have checked issue 2 and Soccerway indeed has "Antoñín Cortés". Ortizesp could have double-checked using other sources but I'd let that slide. For issue 3, it would be helpful if MYS77 were to spell out what exactly is wrong about pages moves Ortizesp has done. For issue 1, it would make sense to specify which redirects are inappropriate and why. Robby.is.on (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Primefac:} I merely reverted the move to one of the 35 redirects he created for this page. @Robby.is.on: I'm not being disrespectful as far as I'm concerned. I'm merely tired of correcting his misleading and/or controversial page moves because he's mainly doing it in areas where I edit too (Spanish and Brazilian football mainly). I would want to see more correct approaches instead of criticism on how I'm being disrespectful or not. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 15:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

  I don't mean to sound like an arse about this, but when you make hyperbolic statements you sound less credible. Ortizesp created two redirects to Antoñín Cortés, and that title is better than one with unnecessary disambiguation created post-move. I would agree that we probably don't need more than two redirects for any given article (for example, the various pages that have unnecessary disambiguators), but four redirects per new page isn't the end of the world. Primefac (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Categories removal

Please don't remove categories as you did in Hélder Baldé. Youth clubs also count. SLBedit (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Icelandic people of Iranian descent

A tag has been placed on Category:Icelandic people of Iranian descent requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Peter Handke's maternal grandfather

Hello, Ortizesp! Your removal of a category at Peter Handke's article made me notice that the same claim is mentioned in the lead, and I posted a question on the talk page: Talk:Peter_Handke#Maternal_grandfather:_Slovenian_or_Serbian?. Your insights there would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! ---Sluzzelin talk 20:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Eduardo Camavinga

He is a Congolese. There are also articles, which say that DR Congo is wrong [1]. The Ligue 1 has seen his passport. So it's right to 99 %. --HSV1887 (talk) 22:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

The Bolis

Greetings !

You have moved my entry on the Bolis in the List of association football families from French to Ivory Coast.

If I understand correctly, this was done because of the oldest relative (Roger Boli). Although he was indeed born in Abidjan (like Basile), he does possess dual Ivorian-French citizenship and played one game for the French U-21 team (never one game for any national Ivorian team). Of course, this is always debatable but I believe this pushes Roger more towards the French side.

Happy to discuss if you want to. --El clemente (talk) 09:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey, more than happy to oblige, if we can find a source for the French cap. I just didn't see one on his page. If we can find a sourced ref for the U21 cap, then the Boli's should be moved to the French subcategory. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, I have plenty of French-language sources for that U-21 (Espoirs) cap:

https://www.grioo.com/info1479.html

http://www1.rfi.fr/fichiers/MFI/Sport/1372.asp

https://www.la-croix.com/Archives/2004-01-24/Le-football-en-Afrique-_NP_-2004-01-24-200081

To be frank, though, Roger Boli appeared immensely regretful because at the time, FIFA regulations prevented him to ever join the Ivorian senior national team (because of that one match). So what's your take? El clemente (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish people of Lebanese descent

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Creating articles

First draft articles like this are entitely inappropriate, especially about BLPs. Where was the sourcing or indication of notability? Where were the categories? It's not a race to see who can create a new article first. GiantSnowman 16:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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WAFU

Hi! Re: Philippe Paulin Keny, the WAFU tournament might be for the national B teams. See for instance this, and the fact that no elite players seem to be have played. Geschichte (talk) 21:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks like you're right! Fixed! Thanks!--Ortizesp (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I also though of the possibility that the best countries fielded the B teams, and the lesser countries like Niger fielded A teams. I'm not sure. Geschichte (talk) 21:19, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Scottish people of Cape Verdean descent

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Closing RM

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