User talk:Omegatron/Archive/, 2006

WOW

Great jscript..didn't like your css too much. Earth KING 22:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Haha. Which script? Which CSS? — Omegatron 03:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I really haven't been in a while! I was talking about the monobook.js and monobook.css you made for Wikipedia...but I doubt you are going to check this anyway.  Earth KING  ^(Talk) 23:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Which parts did you like/dislike? — Omegatron 01:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Multi-listen start et al.

It looks like this change will break templates like {{Multi-listen start}} and {{Multi-video start}} that you worked on. Can you think of a workaround? I thought of transcluding interface messages, as terrible an idea as that sounds, but I'm not sure if it'd work. [1] – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The change seems misguided. They should be providing a way to leave open HTML tags properly, instead of just saying "nope you can't do that". I don't think there is a solution. Going back to the old table markup won't even work. — Omegatron 13:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Electromagnetic suspension

Nice edits! :O) Whitepaw 16:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:-) — Omegatron 17:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Your .js shifts added content in diffs

Hey, I was experimenting with your massive .js page, but I noticed something odd and disconcerting. When I look at a diff, if a user adds content (stuff generally highlighted in green), then it's on the left, in the "original" version, and not on the right, in the new modified version. (I'm fairly sure this is happening because of your JS, since it appears even when I strip out all other js and css from my per-user files.) It's kind of annoying. If it's a bug, I'd greatly appreciate you fixing it, since otherwise I rather like your compilation of js, and if it is deliberate, could you tell me which section is responsible so I can strip it out and copy the remainder into my own js? --maru (talk) contribs 04:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying that the left and right sides of the diff screen are reverse? That's really weird. 04:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, isn't it? For instance, the diff for your reply here, your reply is on the left. But it's only reversed for adding content. Removing or modifying look perfectly normal. --maru (talk) contribs 04:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't see that at all. I got the diff code from Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Fix diff width — Omegatron 05:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Mm. Well, it was definitely that script, anyway. I excised that (and a few Omegatron-specific portions) and copied it into my js, so the problem is temporarily solved. Well, now I know who to complain to. --maru (talk) contribs 16:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

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"Why'd you remove the non-breaking space"

It looks ugly? It makes the wiki-side hard to read. Does the nbsp matter? I mean, normal spaces in normal sentences also produce a space, and make the english language much easier to read. Don't you think? But maybe theres a good reason for the nbsp? Fresheneesz 22:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahh I see. Thats not a very obvious thing to do. Anyways, I replaced the NBSPs. Fresheneesz 23:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Drinibot

I don't think it's nice to block a bot for doing what it was approved to do. Furthermore, what's your point about blocking way after it stopped? It wasn't substing anymore, why did you block it? If it wasn't doing anything anymore, don't you think it's better form to discuss rather than go straight blocking? It's not like it was an emergency, the bot was off.-- Drini 17:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Who approved it? {{Clear}} doesn't seem to be on the WP:SUBST "should" list, which should be reason enough for any bot to leave it alone, especially in the user namespace. Blocking bots whose actions are unclear is the recommended course of action, currently active or not, until the owner responded. It is a necessary safety measure and has nothing to do with courtesy. Femto 18:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I've responded on your talk page. I don't think you know enough about bot policy to be running one. — Omegatron 18:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Sysops should block bots, without hesitation, if they are unapproved, doing something the operator didn't say they would do, messing up articles or editing too rapidly.

It was approved on Requests for bot approval at 18:08, 20 April 2006: [2]

At that time, the bot's talk indeed state specifically that iwas going to do this kind of stuff: 1. substing templates, 2. Creating capitalization redirects [3]

So I dispute the bot's actions were unclear. I also dispute the block is doing something other than it was stated it was going to do. Moreover,I think that the substing it performed was a styllistical change, and it did not mess up articles.-- Drini 19:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The operator should be at, or logged into, the machine the bot is running on to terminate it if necessary during the debugging phase, or the bot is liable to be blocked without notice.:

As far as I know, your first comment was:

[4]:

# (cur) (last)  02:25, 13 June 2006 Omegatron (→clear - «+"I blocked it for a second."»)
# (cur) (last) 02:21, 13 June 2006 Omegatron (clear)

The bot's last edit was

01:47, 13 June 2006 (hist) (diff) m Portal:Germany/Anniversaries/March (Robot: Substituting template: clear)  

And my last edit yesterday was

01:46, 13 June 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Essjay (→Image:Admin mop.PNG)

So I did was around while bot was running and logged into the machine running it, so I could have terminated if it was necessary. So to your comment: You didn't respond to my comments very quickly. Were you around while the bot was running? You say I blocked it after it was finished, so maybe that's all that happened. But I saw a lot of substitutions on my watchlist and blocked it as soon as possible. I answer:

I didn't because I wasn't around, but also the bot wasn't running anymore. So yes I was around when the bot was running. -- Drini 19:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, I don't have much problem with the bot being blocked. It's just that you were a bit trigger happy and blocked when it was unneeded without giving me a change to asnwer you back with feedback. 19:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you undo a strange edit to a page you had previously edited correctly?

I was just at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beat.png and couldn't make heads or tails of the diagram as described. When I looked at the history, however, I realized you had corrected the image once before, but, now, for some reason, someone else has come in and reverted the image to one that does not match the description.

Can "we" (i.e., you) either re-correct the image to match the description, or make the description match the image that keeps getting placed on the page . . . and then LOCK the entry so it can't be messed up again?

151.118.3.108 18:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

There's no way to lock it. Ask Stubblyhead why he changed it. — Omegatron 18:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Image deletion: SigmaDelta.png

Hi Omegatron, I would like to inform you that I moved to Commons all the images from Delta-sigma_modulation, including Image:SigmaDelta.png as commons:Image:DeltaSigma1.png. But I upload my version on my PC, and I noticed you slightly modify it when I request to remove it (with {{NowCommons}} template); which is the correct procedure? Shall I upload your version to Commons, with you as author and your copyright, and then put the {{NowCommons}} template in the page? Thank you and best regards Katanzag 12:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. It's a little difficult with GFDL because you have to keep a history of the modifications, but since this picture is PD, it doesn't matter. I'd upload both versions to Commons as different revisions, use the later one, and delete the en version. — Omegatron 14:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons — Omegatron 07:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Omegatron, sorry for this stupid question, but how can I upload a new version of an image in commons without passing through ee.pl, like in en.wikipedia? I was not able to make it fully working with gimp in windows, and I've got some troubles with linux on my pc (I installed the new Fedora5 and something is not fully working), while at work I don't have perl-gtk2 on my workstation in order to configure it. BTW, the correct name il commons:Image:DeltaSigma1.png. Thank you and best regards Katanzag 14:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Omegatron, today the link appears (??) on commons and I upload the new version. Sorry for the annoyance. Best regards --- Katanzag 12:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Monobook

Hi,

I used the code in your unitformatter.js and modified it. It has been very successful. So thanks for that.

Feel free to take a look and use any of the code in there. See User:Bobblewik/monobook.js. Regards bobblewik 16:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I've got a list of things I haven't implemented yet on User_talk:Omegatron/monobook.js

I guess we should really be doing these with nbsp's in between the numbers and units. I wish there were a less ugly solution... — Omegatron 20:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Biefeld–Brown effect

I just wanted to let you know that I think your custom sptag at Biefeld–Brown effect is a little harsh and really not in the spirit of the semi-protection policy. I would like to ask you to tone down the rhetoric of the tag with an eye in mind for WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:BITE. I don't doubt that you acted in good faith by adding the tag and it certainly appears that the vandalism problem on this article has been pretty severe. However, I still feel that such a harshly worded tag is inappropriate and possibly damaging to the encyclopedia as a whole. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 17:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It was approved on the Village Pump and is hardly "harshly worded". This is because of a user who repeatedly adds the exact same text to the article from many different IPs and ignores (or doesn't see) attempts at contacting him/her. I've stretched and strained and assumed good faith, and made this message in the very remote chance that this user simply doesn't realize we're trying to contact them and get them to discuss their changes. After sprotection is removed, if the user persists, we'll just revert them as vandalism until they get tired of it (which will probably never happen; I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bot). If you have a better solution, I'd love to see it. — Omegatron 18:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Fully agree with Ωtron. --Pjacobi 18:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Adobe Acrobat PDF Icon/template

I'm curious as to what your stance on usage of the {{PDF}} template is. I'm also curious as to whether there has been any previous discussion on using the template versus using (PDF) notation. Would work towards changing (PDF) to the PDF be worthwhile? (Work that I'd do myself)

As for the template itself (Template:PDF, PDF, I'm of the opinion that a scaled version of looks better and is perhaps more recognizable. (I get the impression that you created the template...)

I'm certainly much less experienced than you are with Wikipedia. Thanks for any guidance! Gertlex 16:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

1. I didn't create the template; I just supposed that there was one and looked it up. I think it's kind of ugly, actually.
2. I agree that the scaled-down PNG is better, and that's what I use in my css file to put icons next to every PDF link on the site. I dug up the license information on the image description page to see if we could use the CSS site-wide, but it doesn't work in IE, so we'd need a software change to implement it. See MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Similar_for_PDF_files.3F. — Omegatron 18:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Former Peta supporters

Hello I removed Mr. Pryor because he is dead not over any ideological change of heart. BTW thanks for your work in cleaning up this page. Cheers L0b0t 03:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Why'd you remove the rest? — Omegatron 03:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't. I only removed Richard PryorL0b0t 03:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You removed eight people. — Omegatron 14:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If I did it was by mistake, and you have my apologies. I only meant to remove the dead.L0b0t 02:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

What Is the Basic Idea behind a Negative Impedance Converter?

Hi Omegatron,

I would like to focus your attention again on one of the most interesting circuit phenomenon - Negative resistance - and on its famous circuit implementation - Negative impedance converter. IMO, both the phenomenon and the circuit have never explained (if you have ever met good explanations about this subject, please let me know!) I have been trying to reveal the secret of this "mystic" circuit from many years. Now, I have the feeling that I have managed to grasp the basic idea behind it; so, I would like to share my penetration with Wikipedia audience.

I have already created the first circuit stories about dynamic and negative resistance. Now, I am developing two pages about VNIC and INIC.

I have the idea to co-ordinate this work with according Wikipedia pages. Following the Wikipedia conventions, I have first exposed my suggestion on Talk:Negative impedance converter. I would be glad, if you and other experienced Wikipedians who love exotic circuits join this discussion.

I have also tried to resume the discussion about Current source and the dual Voltage source −- see Talk:Current_source#New_structure where I have suggested to rearrange the structure of these pages. As I can see, you have participated very actively in the creating of the pages; so, I may expect that you will react to my suggestion. Circuit-fantasist 18:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

PETA Timeline

I noticed that you changed the introduction to the PETA timeline, and now it reads "According to PETA, important actions include." I admit that what I wrote sounded stupid, however, it shouldn't have "According to PETA." Some of the actions (albeit a very small number) were not referenced by PETA. Jesuschex

Which things are not referenced to PETA? It's just their own list of victories rephrased.

Here's an alternative timeline. How many of those things are on the list?

It would be good to mention the RINGLINGBROTHERS.COM and VOGUEMAGAZINE.COM campaign in the same section as their litigation of the People Eating Tasty Animals website. — Omegatron 14:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Who do I ask?

Someone asked me a question about tagging images that I don't know the answer to. Do you know anyone who is knowledgable about how images are being tagged? RJFJR 15:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

What specifically are you trying to do? — Omegatron 16:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Here the question tyhat was left on my talk page:

I have been fortunate twice to find images, one for Ice T and one for Bridget Moyanhan, to replace images of questionable use. Each time I corresponded with the photographer, and received his/her permission to upload the image. My question, after hours of trying to make sense of image copyright tags, is what is the tag to use in this case - the copyright holder permits me to upload the image. --Dumarest 19:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The list of tags is here. You should tag those two images with {{Promophoto}} and {{Withpermission}}. — Omegatron 16:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. RJFJR 17:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I got back this reply:

This is not the way. The photographs are NOT on promo photographs, and the permissions tag requires another tag. The photographer gave me the 'right' [whatever that means] to upload the photographs. If they individually sign off, no problem - but they gave ME the right to upload. What tag, or how to do this???? --Dumarest 20:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Even if you have permission, you can't upload copyrighted photos anymore. Only if they are fair use. Where are these files? — Omegatron 13:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Need to ask Dumarest. RJFJR 19:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Mud flats

Image:Mudflats-polariser-1.jpg and Image:Mudflats-polariser-2.jpg. I also have some quite nice recent ones showing the effect on foliage (bracken is particularly reflective at this time of year), which I may upload later. --ajn (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Is there any reason Image:Mudflats-polariser.jpg isn't the same resolution? — Omegatron 21:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Just that I'd levelled the horizons and joined the two pictures together, and found it more convenient to work with reduced sizes. --ajn (talk) 05:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Accessibility

You may be interested in Talk:List of Virtual Boy games as an monobook editor. Thanks. ed g2s • talk 12:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I support what ed g2s is doing. We should be seperating style and content. - Ta bu shi da yu 15:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not support it, as all other lists have the same type of color. I am only reverting what I see as vandalism. Havok (T/C/c) 15:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What were you after on the Vector Graphics page?

As you frequently ask people who approach you with questions, what are you trying to do? OK, I know this was from 15 months ago but what is/was the point? Anyway, did anything wind up happening?

198.49.180.40 21:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I meant to make vector and raster smiley faces that look exactly the same, and then show them both blown up, to show how the raster pixelates and the vector just gets bigger and wider. The first example in the article does exactly what I wanted with the smileys. — Omegatron 21:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

OH. I thought you were asking for someone to reproduce the pixelated shape, in vector format. I couldn't see what the point of that would have been, except as a joke. 198.49.180.40 00:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Audio level compression

I would like to see some section on the audio level compression page which helps the reader find software (or even possibly hardware) that performs it. I'll grant Audacity is not the only software out there that does it, but it's the only one I know of. I came to the article looking for software which would perform compression, and had to search extensively elsewhere before finally finding the right tools. Most searches for compression turn up audio data compression software, i.e. that is to say, encoders.

I invite you to add links to a more representative sample of compression-capable software, or else restore the Audacity link for the time being. Thanks.--4.236.30.208 03:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Most audio editing software can do it, and analog compressors can obviously do it. A link to Digital audio editor or Digital audio workstation within the article text should be sufficient. If you have to link to a specific piece of software, link to three or so for neutrality. — Omegatron 13:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made edits; you've possibly seen them by now. I had to do too much research in looking for what I hoped was a simple solution, but at least the 'pedia can be the beneficiary of it, I hope.--4.231.240.108 19:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Those edits look good. Can you explain what you didn't like about the "perceived loudness" section on the talk page? — Omegatron 20:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

"This reduction of the dynamics makes the drum sound louder even though its peak may be at the same dynamic level it was before compression and make up gain were applied" is the particular sentence I had a problem with. The drum was cited as the peak sound, so compression + gain would bring the rest of the track up to it, making the whole track sound louder, and maybe make the drum sound quieter. Additional audio processing could probably make the drum sound louder, but not the processing as described. As for the other sentences I removed, I felt I restated the process in plainer, clearer English.

Feel free to copy the salient parts of my reply to the article's talk page; it's not going to make sense without adding some context though, and I'm going to take the lazy man's out at this moment.--4.231.241.52 04:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Looks good. — Omegatron 14:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:POV pushing

Please see Wikipedia_talk:NPOV_dispute#Group_of_POV_pushers. Thanks. --Uncle Ed 13:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image tags

I come here to find where to go for discussion with you re image tags - you were referred as expert by I think Commander Keane, the my greeter when I found Wikipedia - in my talk page. --Dumarest 19:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Image tags followup

From the item in this discussion 'Who do I ask?'.

I am the person with questions, and I am getting more. I would suppose here is the place, or a thread on my talk, to get more information? --Dumarest 19:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

What would you like help with? — Omegatron 19:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the way is for my questions to be here, and your answere on my talk?? Well, here is a copy of my reply to you on my page. --Dumarest 12:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's start with my first uncertainty. I have uploaded images that are by me [such as the ibeji], and looking at that set of tage, one was for an image that the creator permitted to be uploaded by a Wikipedian. I have used that, but questionably, and I cannot find that tag any more. It seems iffy, in that how can the site know that the agreement for another to upload is real? And what should one [I mean 'I'] do in such cases. The creator may not know Wikipedia, have no interest in it, not agree to personally upload, but it is fine with him/her for the image to be there in a valid license. --Dumarest 15:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Physics Article WIP proposal

Hello, as an editor who has previously added to the Physics article and taken part in discussions on its talk page I thought a current proposal may be of interest to you. Over the past few months the article has suffered from a lack of focus and direction. Unfortunately the article is now judged by a number of editors to be in a relatively poor state. There is currently a proposal to start a full consensus based review of the article. That review and consensus process has been proposed here, your thoughts on the proposal and participation in the WIP review of the article would be much appreciated. It disappoints me that an article on one of the fundamental sciences here at wikipedia is in such a relatively poor state, and I hope you can have a browse by the page to offer your views and hopefully participate. Thanks, SFC9394 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Spell Checker

Hey Omegatron, Spellbound appears to be "not compatible" with the latest Firefox versions. What are you using right now? --Thax 20:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Spellbound Development version. — Omegatron 20:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Warning on my talk page.

Nuh-uh. If you wish to make a case against me, do so in [5]. Yesterday you left a message reminding me that bad edits aren't necessarely vandalism. You were right and I've reverted myself accordingly, but my recent reverts have nothing to do with that and everything to do with anons, probably sockpuppets, paralysing the article. Which is why I obtained page semi-protection. [6]. Jean-Philippe 07:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Bits and bytes

Thanks for all your edits to these articles. I've seen them go by on my watchlist, and they all look good and helpful. — Omegatron 21:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool :-) Duckbill 20:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

PETA

Omegatron, I'd appreciate it if you'd inform yourself fully before commenting on a situation. The PETA anon is a disruptive troll who different user accounts and IP addresses, including proxies, to harass editors. His harassment takes different forms: sometimes he just makes lots of random edits, intending to be disruptive so that he has to be reverted, but falling short of simple vandalism so that he can pretend it's just a content dispute. He's been doing it to various people/articles for a few months. The correct thing to do when he arrives at an article is to revert until an admin semi-protects. His usual modus operandi is then to file a complaint at AN/I or AN/3RR. It doesn't help, to put it mildly, when an editor such as yourself, who is not aware of the background, arrives to support him. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

can you take a look at...

... Talk:Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem and comment on this content dispute i am having with a fairly recent editor to the article. i think, from your earlier comments on the talk page, that i have nearly precisely the same concerns as you. r b-j 20:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Audio popups

I replied on my talk page. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 00:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Metavid sample

Here Raul654 21:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

wikt:Template talk:audio

I'm not sure what exactly I did wrong, but I'd appreciate if you could take another look. (Spans can nest, right?) --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 03:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It's working. You need to change the padding if you're going to use a bigger image, though. I'd suggest padding-left: 22px — Omegatron 12:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Spacer GIF

Hi, Omegatron, you removed my graphic from the page Spacer GIF with the comment please don't do that. I must admit that I am puzzled. I do try to enhance WP with graphics illustrating the content, and this seemed to be an obvious way of showing what a Spacer GIF could do. Do you have an issue with the graphic file, or with its inclusion on the page? How could I change it to address your concerns? Or do you simply prefer text with no graphics in WP?

Trying to understand and to be accommodating... - Hebrides 19:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for being brief. It's fine to use as an example, but the example should not interfere with the text of the article itself. I'd suggest putting it in a floating box or something. What's a very typical use of a spacer GIF, besides holding a table cell open, that we could include in the article? — Omegatron 20:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Assume good faith

Your recent comments regarding the views of people on the Peta Talk page show a severe lacking of good faith. Please try to Assume good faith.-Localzuk ^(talk) 17:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Such as? — Omegatron 17:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

This, even in jest indicates you do not assume good faith - making out that editors on the page will try to be obstructive And after we've added all the details they say are still needed to show a non-strawman connection with PETA, they'll say it makes the article too big and want to fork it out to its own.  :-) — Omegatron 23:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)-Localzuk ^(talk) 23:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah.

1. It is partially in jest
2. It isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it? I don't think it can even be read that way.
3. "This policy does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary." — Omegatron 23:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It is still your opinion that this is true as you do not have any evidence to cover this. Instead, we have evidence that applies to the anti-peta editors that shows disruptive editing, pov pushing etc... -Localzuk ^(talk) 06:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It is still your opinion that this is true as you do not have any evidence to cover this. Instead, we have evidence that applies to the pro-peta editors that shows disruptive editing, pov pushing etc...

Let's focus on writing a good, neutral article, instead of fighting and making specious accusations. WP:CIV goes both ways. — Omegatron 14:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Floating Sidebar

I found your floating sidebar script, and I think it's really cool. However I was a bit dissappointed that the user toolbox had to be part of the sidebar for it to work properly. I did a bit of poking around and worked out how to leave the user toolbox as is and still have everything working :-) Here's the altered Javascript code:

/* Move top tabs inside body content */

addOnloadHook(function () {
    content = document.getElementById("column-content");    // Find the main content column

    footer = document.getElementById("footer");  // Find the footer
    footer.parentNode.removeChild(footer);    // Remove the footer from the global wrapper
    content.appendChild(footer);    // Place footer at the end of the content column;

    tabs = document.getElementById("p-cactions");   // Find the top tab list
    tabs.parentNode.removeChild(tabs);    // Remove the tab list from the side column
    content.insertBefore(tabs,content.firstChild);    // Place tab list at the beginning of the content column

    utoolbox = document.getElementById("p-personal");   // Find the user toolbox links list
    utoolbox.parentNode.removeChild(utoolbox);    // Remove the user toolbox links list from the side column
    content.insertBefore(utoolbox,content.firstChild);    // Place user toolbox links list at the beginning of the content column
});

Thought you'd like to know how your code is being put to use. Harryboyles 10:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. It would be best if people who make changes like this put them back in the place where they originally got the idea. — Omegatron 14:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Nowiki tag on your user page

The image that formed the award was deleted, so I put the <nowiki> tags around the image link to stop a red link from showing up. If that displeases you, you're free to remove it. But I thought this was a good solution since it leaves others' kind words untouched. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 14:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I just don't understand why an image created by a user for the purposes of displaying on the site would be deleted. — Omegatron 14:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia sidebar thing

Thanks for the CSS code that lets people scroll down without the sidebar moving! However, on Firefox 1.5, the username and associated links line that's normally in the top right is behind the Wiki logo, rendering the two visible links unclickable. -- Chris chat edits essays 22:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I have the logo turned off. You can move the boxes below the logo:

#p-personal {
    margin-top:200px;
}

— Omegatron 22:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Expert retention problem

Have you put your name down? Saw your contribution on Village pump. Dbuckner 08:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia:Expert Retention

re: removing categories

See my response. cheers --Sarefo 17:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thermal grease, 10 August 2006

Thermal grease: "It is also more electrically conductive, however, which can cause problems if it contacts the pins of an IC." Can you provide a citation? Arctic Silver 5 is a metal grease(?) and Arctic claims that they have gone to great lengths to prevent conductivity in the product. --Charles Gaudette 20:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Thermal_grease#Metal_conductivity — Omegatron 01:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Modular schematics

I just saw your idea for modular schematic diagrams and thought it was something I could help you with. Here's how I would handle it.

First, each of the graphics should be converted to SVG. (As you may know, MediaWiki has SVG support now.) Then, I could make a script that would piece together each SVG graphic into one big one, as well as handle text. I hope you can help me and that I can help you. Respond at my talk page. Peter O. (Talk) 05:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Quotation

you reverted the change on this template. Could you please explain the reason? Just for interest, I originally wrote this template on 8 June 2005 and the present version does not work correctly with thumb images - see here and the first example below:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

— Cicero, De finibus bonorum et malorum

while the version I amended, worked as here:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

— {{{2}}}, {{{3}}}

A detailed explanation would be helpful so that I can properly appreciate your logic. Many thanks. (This message is also copied to talk page of template)--Hari Singh 05:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply - Modular schematics

SVG files are text files. I could make an online script similar to the one you have still online, but that generates SVG instead of HTML. SVG text of each schematic piece is used instead of images. The resulting SVG file could then be uploaded to Wikipedia. Peter O. (Talk) 05:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC) (Sorry for moving it here, when I came to this talk page there was just a brand new message above.) Peter O. (Talk) 05:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's a lot to take in, though. I'm going to try making "blocky" graphics first as a proof of concept. It may take a while. Peter O. (Talk) 05:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oka, I've finished modifying the Klunky editor so it outputs SVG instead of HTML when the "display" link is clicked. See User:Poccil/f1.html and User:Poccil/svg.js; the latter file contains many of the graphics in SVG format, but I haven't converted all of them yet. Please try it when you have the chance to. Peter O. (Talk) 17:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:WTA

Terorist is on the Manual of Style list of words to avoid. JBKramer 21:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

And the very first point says "The words terrorism and terrorist may be cited where there is a verifiable and cited indication of who is calling a person or group terrorist." — Omegatron 21:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Which you did not include in the article. JBKramer 21:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I did when I added it, but that was months ago. — Omegatron 21:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Random question

Hey,

I was wondering if you have any experience seeing User:Radiant! around? I've noticed that he is of the opinion that guidelines and policy don't require and sort of consensus gathering, but simply document current practice. This presents a problem when one arbitrarily decrees that its current practice. Anyways, I was just wondering if you know anything about him - apparently hes recently returned, and seems to be following me around everywhere. Perhaps I'm just going to his hangouts more often recently...

Also, I doubt you're interested, but I'd love to hear what you think about WP:NNOT. Fresheneesz 09:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've seen Radiant around. I hadn't really formed any strong opinions about his practices. Just another guy, in my mind. What articles are you disputing? — Omegatron 11:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so much disputing as just asking. Theres a couple issues that I'm taking up on some talk pages. However, there was one action i'm wondering about at Wikipedia:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Inclusion Guidelines. That page seems far too specific to be a guideline, especially considering instruction creep. Radient replaced it as a guideline, after one of the main editors on that page compromised with a project-specific tag. I thought the project-specific tag was good, but radiant thinks I misunderstand instruction creep and so put the full guideline tag back. Hes not the most difficult admin to deal with, but he sure is persistant. Fresheneesz 20:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I went to Wikipedia:Criticism today and noticed that he'd marked it as {{historical}}. Seems odd to me. Someone else fixed it to {{essay}} after I questioned it.

That Warhammer page probably shouldn't be a guideline, but yeah, notability is important. Fancruft is irritating and clogs up the 'pedia with poorly written pages and factoids that very few people care about. I wish those people would write about something important. On the other hand, m:Wiki is not paper... — Omegatron 20:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Schematic editor update

I have finished the conversion to SVG and added more functionality to the Klunky editor. Now the entire editor works without frames and is on a single HTML file (f1.html, with svg.js). Also, I have included the ability to add text labels to schematics, which I believe you will find interesting. Take care. Peter O. (Talk) 15:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I already made a modified version a while ago with PNGs instead of JPGs, available here. It's linked on my User page, but it looks like you're using the older JPG version made by Jim Osburn.

I'll try your new version when I get home, but maybe you want to look at the enhanced version I made for other ideas. Is there any way to remove the JPGs completely and replace them with SVG images? Then you could just have everything in two files. — Omegatron 17:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you had a version as well... I will use your version for more ideas. Peter O. (Talk) 17:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I tried it. It looks better. In my version I changed the look a little to make things more compact, changed the columns to 16 so you can have four directional rotations of four different things, and made a bunch of new symbols. I'm going to play with it and add some of those things. We really shouldn't make the symbols exactly the same as the ones in Klunky; they can be much better looking, but this is a good start for now.

It would be nice if the symbols in the schematic editor were drawn as inline SVGs, so we wouldn't need the image files at all. I don't know if that's possible with JavaScript, though.

The style for each line was defined as part of each line. Isn't one of the major benefits of SVG supposed to be that you can set styles with CSS? Like each circuit symbol is defined as part of a CSS class and then the style is defined in one place at the top of the SVG? Then we could easily add color or bolding to highlight things by changing the class of different elements. — Omegatron 02:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I used styles merely to help draw the lines and other elements, but you have made plenty of suggestions I could use for improvement, particularly using CSS in a different or additional way. Peter O. (Talk) 03:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you send me an email so we can send each other files? — Omegatron 03:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

The label function doesn't seem to work for me. — Omegatron 03:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

spider categories

hi omegatron,

i've removed the categories of these pictures again, for reasons outlined here. please feel free to contact me if any questions still persist, and please know that your pictures are very much appreciated. after all, the goal is to have at least one picture of every species ;) cheers --Sarefo 18:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Araneae

hi omegatron,

did you check out the commons:Category:Araneae? The only pictures in it are the ones you made. That is because the whole categorization is done like i tried to explain to you: unidentified pictures go to Commons:Category:Unknown spiders only, and, if you know the family or genus of the spider, to the appropriate category. The way you do it, they clutter up Araneae, which is useless because the appear under Unknown spiders, which is a direct subcategory of Araneae. What makes your spiders so special that they defy standard categorization? ;) The other thing, categorizing the pictures separately under Unknown spiders, is ok by me, as long as it is easily visible that pictures of the same species belong together. I did not realize that they are several different species, i thought they are probably male and female, but you're probably right.

This is taking up way to much time for me. I gave you one week to answer, and clearly said that i would revert the changes soon, which i did. you just reverted my edits two times, giving me no time to give you reasons why there should be a better solution. This is against wiki policy, sorting out things first, and not revert immediately, wasting other people's time and nerves. So i propose this to you: i (for the third time iirc) delete the Category:Araneae from the pictures, but i leave the Category:Unknown spiders, although i am still of the opinion that there should be a solution that does not clutter up the Unknown spiders category as much. I won't do it immediately, but will wait again for some days. Please do answer me on User:Sarefo if you have a better solution, or, if you still disagree, give reasons why you do so. cheers --Sarefo 07:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

hi again :)

the unfortunate critters on Image:Spiders eating 139.jpg are actually moths, but the ones in Image:Spiders eating 149.jpg are probably related to flies, and here + there there's the occasional mosquito (good riddance ;). could you specify which part of the US you took these pictures? could be useful for determining the spider species. cheers --Sarefo 23:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Need opinion

Could you take a look at Transimpedance amplifier which I tagged for cleanup, please? An editor is asking if cleanup has been completed (one day turn around, not bad). I still think it needs work on tone, but I'm not sure how to put it in words. I'd appreciate your opinion of this article. Thank you. RJFJR 13:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Dash fixer—Unicode is bad idea

It is a bad idea for your dash fixer to "[convert] HTML named entities to their Unicode characters". The biggest problem is that the distinction between − – -, which are three different symbols, is totally invisible in the font used on my edit screen and nearly invisible on the displayed fonts when reading the article, at least for a couple of them (for all practical purposes, invisible unless they are juxtaposed, something that never happens in the normal course of events), and the same is true for most other Wikipedia editors. Better to leave &ndash; and &minus; and &mdash; and the like as you find them, and also to use them in your own editing. It's nearly as bad as changing &nbsp; to its Unicode character. Gene Nygaard 22:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

1. The obvious solution is an automated one. Dashes, curly quotes, and non-breaking spaces should be added automatically according to simple foolproof rules, with the nowiki tags to break out of the 1 in a million cases where they wouldn't work right. Textile, Smartypants, and Markdown already do it, among others. Why can't Mediawiki?
2. If the difference is invisible, then why does it matter? My scripts were discussed on the Village Pump a long time ago, and no one had a problem with them. I've been using them for a year now with no complaints. As you said, the difference between dashes is invisible to casual editors, which is the goal. Non-technical users see &ndash; in an article, don't understand it, and are either afraid to edit the complex code or remove it as if it were a mistake and replace it with an ASCII hyphen. It's then cycled back and forth with the proper character, wasting time and resources. The more invisible special characters are, the better. You could say the same thing about µ and μ, а and a, or Ω and Ω. For those editors who actually need to know the difference between homograph Unicode characters (which is nobody, statistically speaking), more advanced tools than an edit box are necessary, anyway. The appropriate place to discuss this is Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dashes) or the village pump. See also bugzilla: 1485, bugzilla: 4012. — Omegatron 01:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

For example... — Omegatron 14:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Renewable energy

There may once have been a consensus but there is no consensus now for nuclear energy to be treated as renewable energy. In fact, I would say quite the opposite, with only you supporting this view. I have outlined my criticisms of the current section point by point in the talk page. These come in several distinct types:

• Relying on unreliable sources such as speeches of politicians
• Using Weasel words to cover up (as yet) unsupported opinions
• An uncritical pro-nuclear POV, in what must be a WP:NPOV section
• Using Straw man arguments against opponents, bringing in irrelevant arguments such as those about nuclear weapons
• Including speculation about possible benefits of nuclear power

The talk page is the place to discuss these issues rather than the article itself. Stephen B Streater 21:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

So discuss them on the talk page; not here. — Omegatron 22:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

-30 dB

hmm... actually, I read it on one of those multi-input/output box thingies. thanks for the clarification though. tinlv7

What things? — Omegatron 23:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

y'know those things they hook up to Tv's, VCR's, DVD players, and whatnot? the button on the remote says "AUX". (Please respond on my talk page.) tinlv7 00:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Is redirect to #anchor on external wiki's meant to work?

Hi Omegatron, I'm trying to find a workaround for redirects not redirecting to subsections, and in bugzilla bug 218 you pointed to your code (Which would be great :)!)I can't get it to work on my wiki though. I've tried putting in my monobook.js

document.write('<scr' + 'ipt type="text/javascript" src="'
+
'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/namedredirect.js'
+ '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></scr'
+ 'ipt>');

and I've tried putting all the code in. Is it designed to work in external mediawikis, and is there something I'm meant to do? I've turned on UserJS and UserCSS. The website is http://www.umsu.manchester.ac.uk/wikispectus. (Ultimatly I'd like it to work for all users first, but i'm trying to make it work just for me to test it.)

Thank you for any help, and for writing it in the first place --RickiRich 22:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

works for me.  ;-) — Omegatron 12:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for testing, I just tried it on mine and it works too :). I just upgraded it to 1.7.1 (for various reasons, half thinking that was it, it was :) I've got it working in wikibits.js now too. It seems it has to go at the end of it not the start in case you didn't know (though I expect you do). --RickiRich 15:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

You are inserting the actual code from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Omegatron/monobook.js/namedredirect.js, right? Not just the include statement? — Omegatron 15:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your De-Adminship

Hello. I would like to inform you that you will have your sysop rights removed at en.wikibooks on 1 Nov 2006 due to inactivity. If you would like to discuss the matter, please see Wikibooks:WB:RFA. You can re-apply for adminship at a later date if you wish. Thanks. -withinfocus 21:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

NIF comments

Are you the author who left the first two comments in the National Ignition Facility article? The first of the two was anon. If you are the author, the mention of the density is now missing from the article and I think it should be added back in. Do you recall what version this appeared in? Maury 22:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't leave the comment (though their email is ironic...) and I don't know what version it was in. — Omegatron 23:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Unwaranted Block

Omega: You block be unjustly I believe. You might just have been too quick to act. Ya had the wrong guy, officer.DocEss 20:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

1. It was just a day.
2. Have you looked at your contributions lately? Or your talk page? You need to chill out. This isn't a discussion board; it's an encyclopedia. When you piss people off, it slows down the project and makes everything less efficient. Wastes time, poisons the atmosphere, and all that. There are other places to troll/vent/whatever, like IRC. From my interactions with you, I think you and I have similar feelings about a lot of things; animal rights, religion, whatever... but if you keep interacting with others like this, it doesn't matter; you have to go. — Omegatron 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Alas, was there ever a man more misunderstood? I am chilled out - I just seem to have an inate ability to irritate stubborn people. And I do think that most of my contibutions lately have been in the spirit you suggest. Gosh, I am only trying to keep things focused, something I thought would be appreciated. Oh well. Ok...ok I'll re-adujst again. Thanks for the advice.DocEss 16:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being cooperative. You're not all bad.  ;-) — Omegatron 19:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hee hee - I'm only 1% bad! Hey if you're not too busy, perhaps you could weigh in on an issue I know you could help direct. This section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy#Assessment_of_the_lecture.27s_purpose of the Pope's Controversy article looks like pure speculation to a few of us. I would even guess some would call it Original Reseacrh. I call it something we should delete. Also, another section ("Factual Errors") keeps getting itself added and I think it's completely ancillary. If you could provide some input or any help, I'd appreciate it; if noy, that's OK too. Have a nice day.DocEss 16:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Nuclear section

Hi, i see you are putting a lot of time and effort in the article, so just go on, some points need more consensus, my guess is we both want a better article. Cheers. Mion 03:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course we both want a better article.  :-) Too bad everyone can't agree on what "better" means...

Can you return the nuclear section to the original version? Those quotes were mistakenly moved to the Sustainable energy article, but they don't belong there, since they're about "renewable" energy. — Omegatron 04:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, stupid action from me, i'll put it back. reg.09:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes , the revert was more a reflex, second check made me clear that the discussion is going on a long time, and I should step into the discussion myself before i do actions like that, i also agree on not removing opinions, and i see the point, the definition of "renewable energy".....

I suggest making a page Nuclear Economy, do the discussion there , and ask people not to discuss on Nuclear Energy and Nuclear fuel cycle, renewable energy, etc. ? reg Mion 12:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

(Our capitalization style would make them Nuclear economy and Nuclear energy.)

I'm not sure I understand what would be in the Nuclear economy article, thuogh. — Omegatron 13:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, we have Hydrogen economy, zinc economy, methanol economy, ethanol economy, lithium economy and liquid nitrogen economy, i am missing here Nuclear economy.

If i have a look at the Nuclear fuel cycle than you can see that almost al elements should be transferred from Nuclear Energy to Nuclear economy, Nuclear Energy itself is just an output product in the cycle. reg. Mion 13:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I'm not sure where the content belongs. Nuclear power and Nuclear energy contain different content. — Omegatron 13:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Best start is maybe just starting the article, moving the economy sections from both into the article and merge it , in the articles, a link to main Nuclear economy and backlink see details, by doing so the section economy can be centratred into 1 place. as a result in the other pages, the section economy will decline to four lines or so. reg. Mion 13:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I ment Nuclear power, maybe we just have to change the title of the article to Nuclear economy, would that fit ? reg. Mion 13:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

On second view, the both articles are in the right cat, handle the right subject, it seems the page Nuclear economy is just a nonexising issue/page. , reg.Mion 14:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Give it some time and thought, suggestions are welcome, i will create the page myself, setup a bit conform hydrogen economy, the community can respond on it after the creation. reg.Mion 14:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Audio link popup

Hi Omegatron and sorry for the *very* late reply. I have just tried your idea now. It looks nice. Though I'm not a big fan of being paternalistic with users (assuming they aren't even able to play an audio file) your solution seems an acceptable compromise. I only notice problems with the timings (the popup comes out immediately, so it tends to appear when you don't intend to; analogously it takes a bit too long to disappear when the mouse cursor isn't over it). I had abandoned all this discussion as it seemed really impossible to reach a consensus (the "wall" you hint at). —Gennaro Prota^•Talk 01:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. As I said, the functionality would need some tweaking. A plugin has been developed to play audio and video files right in the browser, so i was kind of waiting for that to finish, but maybe this should be made a part of that discussion; the player could be inside the pop-up.— Omegatron 14:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

MOSFET drawings

O, I modified a couple of your MOSFET drawings on wikimedia (the simplified ones). See if you like. However, I don't see the change propagating to wikipedia. Is there something that needs to be done? Or just wait? Dicklyon 21:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Which ones? There might be more than one copy, but most likely you just need to Wikipedia:bypass your cache. — Omegatron 22:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

why you mark a POV without an explanation on the discussion page?

please detail your arguments here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:FreeJ - you are welcome to propose solutions, thanks jaromil 11:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The explanation is in the tag itself; it read like an ad when i tagged it.— Omegatron 14:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirect/DeletionReasons

I have reverted you again. Please see my prior comments at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion and engage in discussion before making such a unilateral change. The DeletionReasons listing predates Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. The later page was more than just a pro & con list. It also included a proposal to ban cross-namespace redirects and change the way the Wikipedia search engine works. Both of those proposals did not reach consensus and that is what caused it to be marked historical. There was no agreement to remove XNR from DeletionReasons as part of that. Since that clause pre-dates the Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects, you can not take it being marked as historical as consensus for your change. There was no discussion about removing that clause. If you want to propose removing it, then please suggest it at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion and let it be debated. This has been a thorny subject in the past and unilateral action should not be taken by either proponents or opponents of XNR. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 17:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)