User talk:OliWatson

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Please stop

I think you must not be familiar with this subject area, but I am going to have to ask you stop making a mess of the date of the ministry formation. You cited May's second ministry as an example, but you fail to take into account that the nature of that formation was different, as the Conservatives did not have an overall majority. When an overall majority is achieved, the formation takes place immediately. You can verify this by looking at Dods (Dods Parliamentary Companion), which records all dissolution and formation dates. Please revert your changes. RGloucester — ☎ 14:23, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for correcting. OliWatson (talk) 14:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate it. Keep up your good work in the topic area. RGloucester — ☎ 14:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Gove

You reverted my edit on the Second Johnson ministry, I did refer to the ministerial ranking as Raab is First Secretary of State which is the second biggest cabinet position when there is no Deputy PM, Michael Gove is NOT above Dominic Raab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanofpolitics (talk • contribs) 18:37, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The official website of UK Parliament did rank Gove over Raab; it clearly stated that ministers were ordered by ministerial ranking here Her Majesty's Government: The Cabinet. This source is also cited in the template. OliWatson (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Dr"

Hi. I noticed you've added the "Dr" honorific to quite a few UK MP articles. As per WP:CREDENTIAL we specifically do not include academic titles such as these on biographies where the subject is not known by a pseudonym/stage name including the title. A subject like Dr. Seuss would be one of the rare exceptions, for example. Thanks. 72 (talk) 18:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thanks for telling, but I added "Dr" to MPs according to each of their profile on parliament.uk. The Speaker also calls these MPs Dr xxx, e.g. Dr Liam Fox which can be vindicated by the HoC proceedings. Will this make a difference? OliWatson (talk) 10:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm certainly not denying that they hold doctorates, but on Wikipedia our articles must follow the Manual of Style and the guideline I quoted above is part of the rules we follow for biographical articles. Parliament.uk is of course a different website, and they will have their own rules. If we always followed the styling of other websites there wouldn't be much consistency and there wouldn't be a point in having policies such as WP:CREDENTIAL. Please revert your edits. Thanks, 72 (talk) 16:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, if the subject is in fact a doctor (whether PhD or medical practitioners), one cannot deny that this subject is widely known by such title. As long as the subject rightfully owns such prefix, I don't think it should be taken away. I sincerely think a subject's infobox should show his/her full style. OliWatson (talk) 14:11, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They may well be known by that title, but that doesn't matter if it contravenes our rules. Policy is policy and it isn't for editors to ignore it, simply because they personally disagree with it. If you feel so strongly, perhaps you should seek to gain community consensus for it to be changed. As I explained above, the exception to this rule does not apply to the articles you edited. It is only for articles where the title is a pseudonym/stage name and not necessarily an actual doctorate. Please revert your edits. 72 (talk) 17:07, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not get me wrong, I have no disrespect for rules whatsoever. It is just that I have a different interpretation - the guideline I believe is regulating usage in the main content (i.e. Dr Liam Fox (born 22 September 1961)... should not exist), with which I wholeheartedly agree, but there is no limitation as far as the prefix in an infobox is concerned. Please correct me if there is any unequivocal rule prohibiting infoboxes showing a subject's rightfully earned style. OliWatson (talk) 09:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. MOS:BIO applies to whole biographical articles. We do have some infobox-specific rules, but these are explicitly referred to, and WP:CREDENTIAL states it applies to whole articles. I'm not sure where you got the impression that infoboxes are exempt, as there is nowhere in the policy that remotely suggests this. Indeed I have noticed many editors removing "Dr" from all parts of articles. It is not a question of interpretation, the policy is very clearly written, it is about following the rules. Please revert your edits. 72 (talk) 16:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now I see your point. Thanks for explaining! Will do. OliWatson (talk) 07:55, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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