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S/Y Lulworth

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Marking edits as "minor"

Hi, please don't mark edits as minor unless they really are minor - eg correcting a typing error. Adding any substantive content as you did here [[1]] is not a minor edit. Regards, Springnuts (talk) 09:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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Greetings

Greetings Nuttyrave - nice clean-up at Stormy Weather (yacht). Cheers!--Technopat (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Robertson's Yard

Thanks for tidying up the section on the History of the Clyde. I agree that it's a bit out of place, but I wanted to try any place the detailed story of the yard in a more general 'Clyde-History' context. Please feel free to use any of it in another Yachting History entry.

Cheers Robertsonsyard 30 May 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertsonsyard (talk • contribs) 06:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Reliance (yacht)

Hi there, I am working on unredlinking the America's Cup races during the period 1880-1930, and right now am working on 1903, the year of Reliances defence. I have turned up a few sources about the race (I have a few offline also) so I am looking to expand the article on Reliance, but it involves bits of wikisyntax which I have to learn piece by piece - it is going slowly. Right now it looks like I messed the article up, but it isn't so bad... I will finish the infobox and then tidy the article later today. This is just a preparatory message in case you look at it and think it needs reverting - it will look better in a few hours! And thanks for tidying it up already, I will try and copy the syntax you used to get the refs to all show up the same way. Weakopedia (talk) 09:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Any contribution is good! Thanks for contributing! Nuttyrave (talk) 13:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Virginie Hériot

Hi,

Thanks for cleaning up my pourly writen article. This is a major improvement! I wrote it anyway since the origional sub did not do her right. However I like to change some minor things back. THe ISAF currently uses the names of metre classes as 8 Metre, 6 Metre and so on. I also use this in my upgrades of the series of the Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics. The otherthing is the names of the coupes and other prizes since these are the origional prizes of the real thing:-). If you do not mind i will return these edits tomorrow. Otherwize we will discuss this here. Thanks again for you tremendious edit this evening. Regards, NED33 (talk) 20:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess you could use Copa del Rey for the Spanish cups? I agree original names should be kept. Be my guest to change where relevant. Thanks for contributing. Nuttyrave (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I made the changes.NED33 (talk) 07:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Re: your prod nomination of the HMY Britannia redirect

Hi. I'm just letting you know your prod nomination has been removed by me. The redirect is used, and I see no reason for you to have nominated it for prod. Thanks for editing though. BarkingFish 01:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

WhatLinksHere yields only results due to my PROD. Or is it not an adequate tool? Nuttyrave (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

In any event, PROD is not really meant for redirects but for articles. If you want this redirect deleted, you need to list it at WP:RFD. Nsk92 (talk) 02:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Boat articles flagged into categories 'year' in sports

I always assumed that the 'year in sports' categories related primarily to events. eg if a boat was successfully active in winning races/regattas for 10 years should that boat's article be categorised 10 times in ten different 'year in sports' categories? In the case of the America's Cup then I think that the event should be categorised in the appropriate year but all the articles re associated boats, syndicates, yacht clubs, sailors etc should not as most are accessible from the main article. I flag this to you with my interpretation of the use of the 'year in sport' category and in the interest of keeping categories focussed, unambiguous and easy to view/navigate. Would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks, Boatman (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Your point of view is correct, of course. Bearing in mind that no specific articles have been written prior to the 1920 races, this is a good way to read about the racing events. Britannia raced for 43 years, but is flagged as Category:1893 in sports for good reason, I think. Nuttyrave (talk) 10:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

A good idea. Boatman (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Just dropping in quickly to say thanks for adding the second BPV attempt in the Jules Verne Trophy article. Also for keeping the Current Attempts row. Wavy (talk) 11:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Endeavour

You are correct. The image should stay. It's just a pity a large american flag is there. Still, I imagine better to have an image with a blemish than not to have one at all. B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I think that we all have to thank that American lady for the boat's survival, so I donot see a simple flag (now replaced by a Cayman Islands ensign I believe) as blemish. Actually I have yet to see a flaw in that yacht. signed:Nuttyrave (talk) 14:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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AC72 and Auckland university

Hi Donan,this is Americas cup business so think Fort Knox in terms of specific information. The kiwis have at least $50 million invested in this technology so good luck to anyone finding out specifics about laminates, temperatures, pressures, autoclaves,chemistry etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Missing reference removed

You've been making edits where the edit summary says "missing reference removed". Don't do that. See Wikipedia:Link rot where it says:

Do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online.

Please revert the edits that you've been making.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I came here to say the same thing. I have reverted all of your recent edits for that reason. Graham87 14:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

You are correct. Some 32nd.americascup.com is on archive.is but most of it is absent. Will double up refs with Mr. Taglang's printed book. Thanks for putting me on track! signed:Donan Raven (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Naval History

Aye there, 'Donan.raven', I'm a member of WikiProject Ships. To help naval historians here at Wikipedia in the effort of writing and citing naval history articles sometime ago I created the List of ships captured in the 19th century and Bibliography of early American naval history pages. Over the last year(+) I have been tracking down and including names of captured ships and naval history texts for inclusion in either of these articles. I like to think that I have included most captured ships (19th century) and most naval history texts (1700s-1800s) for inclusion in these articles, so if you know of any captured ships or naval history texts that are not included would you kindly include them, either on the page or the talk page of the appropriate article? Any help would be a big help and feedback is always welcomed. Thanx! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid that my understanding of military ships is too poor to contribute to these already strong articles, and I cannot recommend anybody either at this point. Good luck at keep up the good work. I will read the articles with enthusiasm! . signed:Donan Raven (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Donan.raven. That's largely what I created and built them for -- for ship enthusiasts to enjoy and ultimately learn more about ships and the crews that shaped our histories. ' See you around! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Images des voiliers de l' America's Cup

Bonjour Donan.Raven,

Je suis nouveau contributeur sur Wikipedia et j'ai, dernièrement, créé les pages, anglaise et française, du Palmarès détaillé de la Coupe de l'America, en tentant de l'illustrer avec des images des yachts finalistes. Comme je m'y attendais un peu, il n'y a aucune image disponible sur Wikimedia Commons pour la période allant de 1924 à 2004. Ceci étant lié, je présume, à la nécessité de demander des autorisations de diffusion en respect du droit d'auteur. Et après 2004, ce sont les contributeurs qui alimente Wikimedia de leurs oeuvres, comme vous. Ayant utiliser une de vos images dans le tableau, j'ai visité votre profil utilisateur, vous êtes bilingue anglais-français et vous participez aux articles sur la Coupe de l'America, c'est pourquoi je fais appelle à vous pour deux questions :
J'aimerais savoir pourquoi elle ne sont pas disponibles, si c'est davantage par refus des auteurs et des ayant droits que par absence de demande des contributeurs ? Je vous pose la question car je souheterais faire des demandes d'autorisation de diffusion pour des vues partielles et limitées (en taille) des oeuvres, concernant le tableau de la Coupe de l'America. Mon anglais étant très approximatif, j' aimerais savoir également si vous accepteriez de corriger le texte de mes demandes en anglais ? Si ça vaut la peine d'être tenté et si vous avez un peu de temps à y consacrer, dans le cas où l'idée vous intéresse, bien entendu.
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
Cordialement,
--MetaTridi (talk) 13:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Bonjour, Le manque de photographies et textes pour la période indiquée est dûe à ce que la plupart des oeuvres en statut *publié* sont dans le domaine public jusqu'à 1922 aux USA, puis elles rentrent progressivement dans le domaine public après que 70 années se soient écoulées depuis le décès de l'auteur/photographe. Ce n'est pas habituel de recevoir des autorisations de vues partielles et limitées des oeuvres de la part de leurs propriétaires, les contributeurs sont plutôt encouragés de fournir des oeuvres complètes, en taille maximale et libres (Public Domain OU Commons:ShareAlike). Je ne contribue plus autant que je ne voudrais, mais donnez-moi votre sentiment des articles en langue française qui peuvent servir à l'amélioration de ceux en anglais et je ne manquerai pas de vous aider. Cordialement. signed:Donan Raven (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Bonjour,

Pour la fourniture d'oeuvres complétes, cela semble poser un problème, vu qu'il n'y a aucune image de voiliers de l' America's cup entre 1930 et 2003, en tout cas sur Wikimedia Commons, en 10 ans d'existence du site, ce que j'ai trouvé un peu bizarre. Mais normal du point de vue d'un artiste et auteur, compte tenu de l'usage commercial possible des oeuvres si la licence est acceptée. C'est pourquoi je pense avoir un peu plus de chance de voir un auteur accepter la licence, si l'oeuvre n'est pas partagée dans sa totalité. En tant qu'auteur d'une image que j'ai mis en illustration de l'article de la Coupe de l'America, je comprends tout à fait que les auteurs répondent non du simple fait de la réutilisation commerciale, j'ai moi même hésité à le faire pour cette raison.

Etant débutant sur Wikipedia, je n'ai aucun recul sur la qualité des articles en français vis à vis de ceux en anglais, le peu que j'ai pu comparer, autour de l' America's Cup en particulier, ceux en anglais sont certainement de meilleure qualité, pour preuve l'article même de la Coupe de l'America en français est pratiquement entièrement traduit de la version anglaise (je suis le traducteur, avec l'aide de google malheureusement) sauf l'intro et le premier paragraphe sur la course originelle, plus quelques ajouts. C'est pourquoi j'ai réalisé le tableau ( Finalists of the America's Cup ) en anglais, pour rétablir un peu l'équilibre des contributions...et par ailleurs, je n'ai pas les connaissances littéraires en anglais pour vraiment pouvoir comparer la qualité réelle des articles, pour que cela puisse servir à une amélioration de ceux en anglais. Mes connaissances en anglais sont vraiment basiques, c'est pourquoi je vous interpelle.

Je comprends très bien que vous n'avez pas beaucoup de temps à me consacrer, c'est pourquoi je ne vous demande que la relecture et la correction si besoin est, que d'une seule demande d'autorisation en anglais. je peux vous joindre le texte par mail au format (.rtf) Wordpad, pour conserver les textes en couleurs qui seraient les seuls à vérifier, ceux en noir étant issus des exemples de demande d'autorisation de Wikipédia en anglais.
Et si ce n'est pas possible, merci d'avoir répondu et d'avoir envisagé votre aide.
Cordialement,
MetaTridi (talk) 17:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

White HeartherII/Myles Burton Kennedy

Hi, I am certain that we are dealing with two people of the same name and for that reason removed the links to White Heather. Papers relating to the death of Myles Kennedy of Stone Cross are here:http://www.archiveweb.cumbria.gov.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=BDHJ%2F3%2F5 Myles Kennedy of London may deserve his own entry but don't take the Evening Mail as a reliable source.Peterrivington (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Istria

Hi there, why did you remove the helpful pic of Istria on copyright grounds !-- 1913 Beken of Cowes photograph removed due to copyright -- when it is apparently 102 years old!?80.229.34.113 (talk) 11:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I am not a specialist in this field but I understand this much:

Eligibility to host on Wikimedia requires authored work to be free of copyright or be published under copyleft license in both the country of origin and in the US. In the UK, copyright can be claimed on any authored work (this postcard) until 70 years after the author's death; Frank William Beken always claimed copyright on his work and his dates are 1880–1970. signed:Donan Raven (talk) 09:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Accepted in good faith, but surely it is up to Beken's estate to claim the copyright and those who are legally charged to represent the author's estate may have seen the image here, but decided not to object?80.229.34.113 (talk) 09:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

No, it is always up to the uploader and to the maintainers to make sure that all files and contributions are licensed properly, do not include copyrighted work or plagiarism, and are sourced properly. No publisher would accept to put an uncredited but copyrighted photograph in a book without advising the author and hope that a permission were granted - and Wikimedia is a publisher. signed:Donan Raven (talk) 07:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have the contact details for Beken's estate so we can request permission? The page would benefit from the photograph's inclusion.80.229.34.113 (talk) 10:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

you could try at [2] or [3] . signed:Donan Raven (talk) 22:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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List of large sailing sloops

Hello Donan. First of all thanks for yours contribution to my page, I realy appreciate it! I found some data not responding to my database and so before doing any "undo" I would like to understand which is your source. I report some examples:
Mirabella V name is M5, why do you change it?

@Torralta83: it was Mr. Vittoria's fifth Mirabella, and you will also get all #1, #2, and #3 if you do the list to 40.00m, so it is there for historical purposes rather than to present current ship's current particulars (indicated in the Mirabella V article). The vessel's current registered identification as defined in the parametres is indeed M5 (after all silverware, towels and uniforms often use acronyms and are part of a sale handover, and there is a huge marquettery M5 logo on the saloon floor that has been there since she left Vosper Thornycroft), so I donot think that Mirabella V is offputting. Since you are the creator/manager for the page, feel free to change it back.

Perseus 3 lenght according to all specification is 60m

The "Perini 60m semi-custom series" is used to describe the fleet and sure enough Perini used 60m on their website for both Seahawk and P3, who are sisterships from a hull point of view, but the press (Yachting World Boat International) and the shipyard brochure for Seahawk (P3's brochure does not have a single line of text) use 58.60m. The problem is the article uses sparred length and P3 actually measures a lot more than 58.60m (or 60.00m for that matter) because of her bowsprit and I don't have a measure for that. So this value is inaccurate.

Kokomo displacement is 100 tons less

read from the shipyard brochure

I just read the designer specheet which reads 450t lightship displacement, and I obviously took the 598t SWL displacement value from the shipyard.

Question: should designer (definitely accurate) or shipyard (more final, but not necessarily more accurate as Kokomo was slipped, so a crane operator at Alloy Yachts never recorded the actual load) data be preferred? Or should lightship or fullload displacement be preferred from a more general standpoint? Or should we just use the type of displacement for which we can fill more cells in the boatlist? signed:Donan Raven (talk) 21:41, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Ganesha air draught is 7m less

read from page 15 in the shipyard brochure

Please let me know! In the next weeks I would like to extend the list to 40m boats. Thanks!--The Weatherman (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this list together, it is very challenging work, but not as accurate as I would like it (Either DSP lightship or full load is used where available for example, and). I have been maintaining the [list of large sailing yachts] and just getting all the boats is already challenging enough signed:Donan Raven (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Hit and sunk! Thanks again!The Weatherman (talk) 21:54, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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Walter McInnis

The fellow needs an article, methinks. Any thoughts? Anmccaff (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

@Anmccaff: I donot know this guy's boats (any in Europe at all?); I checked him in the EYD and there are 2+ pages written by McNaughton & Louis Howland, pretty lauding => significant - are there images on the Wikimedia of any of his vessels? signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 20:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Bunch of ACF (American Car & Foundry) stuff wound up there, as did lot of his patrol boats. I believe, for instance, what the RN saw as the Banff-class sloops were his. If memory serves, there were also a few fishing boats to his designs out of Scotland and Norway, although the bulk were from Newfistan and the Maritimes. Anmccaff (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

(PS:I assume you are referring to Llewellyn Howland's intro to Enclopedia of Yacht designers?)

precisely. signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 01:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

200m+ LOA intro

Hi Donan
I will gladly delete the text, but FYI I only improved the text that was added 04:47, 4 December 2014. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:45, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes I realised this; I donot maintain this article but given your other enhancements to the article I figured that I should give awareness that a "cleaning up" was in order. Thanks for taking this responsibility signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 12:54, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Maxi yacht

Hi Donan! Happy 2016! I would like to thank you about maxi yacht page update... I had in plan to do the list section on my own. You overtake me!
Anyway I have some points I would like to share with you:
1- do you think make sense to modify/update list title with "list of modern maxi yacht" (as in section title)?
2- it is ok for you if I add some columns? I was mainly thinking to: displacement, air draught and sail area
3- can you explain your selection criteria? I'm not completely convinced about some boats (i.e. Nomad IV, Wally cento class). In my opinion we have to consider only racers otherwise the list should be expanded to too many others units ( Hamilton, Chrisco, former y3k, southern wind 100, Swan 100... Etc). On the opposite considering point 1, new rambler 88 is for sure a better candidate. What do you think?
4- last point is just a curiosity. I read in a forum about a new maxi vplp in build at green marine. Have you any info about it? Is just web garbage or not?
Thanks! --The Weatherman (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Torralta8: Happy new year! You are welcome to add new columns (I know that the table doesn't fit on a cellphone, but i would try to make each cell as a narrow as possible, where possible, otherwise better to just complete the notes column I think).

So I started with the IRC listing here (it is *always* up to date with the latest TCC rating as well as the LH/draught/beam as well as the interesting Displacement/Length Ratio that you can use if you want to compute+add a displacement column). Afterwards I added Nomad, Galateia and Magic Carpet because they are also in the IRC list and actively raced and measure the same as the others around 98-100ft, but they are not really all-out racing yachts are they? But then again Leopard isn't either because she has a luxury interior too...I don't have particular criteria, but Leopard still holds fantastic monohull records ('Round Isle of Wight Race, New-York to Lizard Point, Cowes-Dinard,Circumnavigation of Ireland), so why exclude the other luxury racers? Maybe this has to with the races themselves, but these are not even mentioned in the articles, yet. Of course you can add the 90ft maxis but they are rather more numerous, and Rambler is an amazing one on handicap and overall. Thanks for contributing, edit away! signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 15:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

No I haven't heard of a new VPLP maxi built at Green Marine, have you heard of the whereabouts of Stealth these days, I was aboard years ago and she was shockingly good looking! signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 15:53, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

sorry no idea... I've seen her sailing 4-5 years ago in La Spezia gulf. Wonderful boat! I think she is actually docked in some Ligurian harbour. Maybe in summertime is easier to find her in Sardinia... Ais in that period can help. --The Weatherman (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: the IRC/TCC listing has been updated since the Sydney-Hobart, or New Year's, and Comanche, Rambler, and a number of other maxi certificates have been removed, maybe RORC/UNCL cleans them up during this period, therego the link is pretty useless for you right now. I have a backup from one week ago that you can use (I removed some columns and sorted it by descending TCC).

Interesting, thanks! According to the new list approach you cannot forgot Visione, Saudade, p2, hetairos, Inoui... And many others! It will become a long list! --The Weatherman (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

You are right, it would be wrong to include those especially because they race amongst themselves and not on an openly competitive offshore IRC circuit, I think that should be the criterium that we are looking for: transpac, bermuda, fastnet and sydney-hobart.

• What about record attempts? I included Mari Cha IV because she still holds the monohull transat record, so I included her for historical purpose (she is now retired from racing)

For sure she was born as a true racer! I see her at a Palermo-Montecarlo start... No chance to win for anybody else! About eligibility we have to say that Rorc opens to yacht larger than 100 feet only in 2015 and at Sydney to Hobart 100 feet is still the "maxi" limit .--The Weatherman (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes it is my understanding that line honour Maxis will stick to the Sydney Hobart limit - that is how I tried to explain it in the text above the table at least.signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 00:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• What about failed boats like the 100ft 1999 Ron Holland? I included her because she already had a nice photograph and because she was built precisely for all-out offshore racing

I have to admit that to me sounds new. Anyway I think she respects all the eligibility requirements!.. --The Weatherman (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• I am not sure how to draw the criteria precisely, I think perhaps that they should all, at some point, have been measured by IRC, IMS or IOR for the purpose of taking part in an offshore race, but this ay be quite difficult to track. So out go KZ1, Y3K, WallyCentoes.
• we probably also need a list of List of *racing* mutihulls ?! signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 20:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm really not a racing multihull expert! But for sure I can give you my support! --The Weatherman (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE: I am note sure yet if Nomad is a good boat, she certainly had "growing pains" at the beginning, but she is not a failure, having done a good RYS/NYYC North transatlantic this summer and just won overall prize in the RORC Caribbean transat in December amid easy competition; She is chartered with an interior, so she is of same designation as Leopard, and the eligibility in this list should be treated equally for both boats in my view.signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 21:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

In 2007, at the beginning, Leopard had very poor interior similar to Alfa II and WOXI. Luxurious stuff has been added in a second time during 2012 refit. Maybe this is the big difference with Nomad IV. --The Weatherman (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

How interesting, I just read that Leopard had a removable interior, very little of it was in for her first two seasons, must have been quite bare indeed!

I added a few boats to the article (is it complete?), all the way down to 88ft to include the new Rambler, not sure we want to go down further (the two(?) R/P maxZ86s or the 85ft Whitbread ketchs ?); It may depend on the columns that you will add. signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 00:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

When you add things like you did to Talk:Maxi yacht

Don't forget to sign using four tildes. ~~~~ 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Shouldn't sailing yachts meet the same criteria as the yachts in the list of motor yachts by length? And particularly this one:

• Only includes boats that are actual "luxury yachts", not boats doubling as yachts, such as naval ships, cruise ships, merchant ships, etc.

I mean Sea Cloud may some day have been a yacht, but if it's current status isn't that of yacht, it should not be included, am i right? But thats just me. Tell me what you think. 102Legobrick (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Sea Cloud is classed as a yacht and is available for charters like other yachts, it is just a distinction that cruises have been organised onboard because she is so largely accommodated, but I totally agree that the definitions of both sailing and motor yachts should match if possible. Private ownership is complicated to establish because all these vessels are owned by island-registered companies rather than in person by a private individual so the notes for Sea Cloud are inadequate and need to be changed; Let's wait for the final outcome on the motor yachts talk page. There is a bigger issue there: *none* of the ownership columns are sourced, certainly not by SYT which is used systematically as a source. Despite having brought it up in the debate this has not been addressed and represents far more serious WP:OR and WP:BLP concerns. Thanks for contributing. signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 15:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you associated with a Dutch yachtbuilder? signed:Donan Raven (talk, contribs) 15:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. And no, i am not associated with a Dutch yachtbuilder. I am maritime engineering student with the intention to go to work later on in the yacht building industry. 102Legobrick (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Dear Donan

With regard to the page on Large Schooners.

Please note that Gloria is not a Mylne yacht - she was not designed by the Mylne office, though superficially she sports the rig from Panda.

Naema is NOT a mylne yacht either, as there are significant variations from the original Mylne plans

In any event, both yachts were not built with the input of the Mylne office, and we (I am the Mylne office), do not recognise them as Mylne yachts. They may be inspired by Mylne, but they are not entitled to consider themselves as Mylne yachts.

Furthermore, Mylne is a registered trade mark.

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