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References

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Remember that when adding content about health, please only use high-quality reliable sources as references. We typically use review articles, major textbooks and position statements of national or international organizations (There are several kinds of sources that discuss health: here is how the community classifies them and uses them). WP:MEDHOW walks you through editing step by step. A list of resources to help edit health content can be found here. The edit box has a built-in citation tool to easily format references based on the PMID or ISBN. We also provide style advice about the structure and content of medicine-related encyclopedia articles. The welcome page is another good place to learn about editing the encyclopedia. If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a note. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi James. Thanks for the corrections, but is there anything wrong with recommending proper sleep and mentioning that spectacles, contact lenses and surgery are not a cure? You don't need a reference to any journal for that. Why did you remove those statements? What I'm mentioning on Wikipedia is from 9 years of chronic eye strain that 12 ophthalmologists couldn't cure, and I had to do experiments to finally figure out that nothing other than sleep, rest and nutrition could cure it. My myopia reduced a little after I started getting better sleep. It's high-time people get to know and start getting better sleep to cure their eyes instead of being misled by using spectacles or surgery and continuing a lifestyle that puts the eyes under duress. If you know unbiased researchers who could do research on the correlation of uninterrupted sleep and myopia and get it published in a reputed journal, do let me know. Meanwhile, I'll be adding a few sentences about sleep. If you still feel they are inappropriate, please feel free to remove it. It'd be nice if sentences that encourage spectacles and surgery are modified to reflect the reality that they don't cure myopia and are more of crutches for the eyes, than a treatment. It's wrong to give false "treatment" to people while they continue practices that damage their eyes, no matter how reputed the journal studies are. Navinwiki (talk) 08:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 2019

Hello, I'm The Grid. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Eye strain, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. – The Grid (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

January 2020

Please stop adding unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did on Palayoor. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Elizium23 (talk) 15:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Remember that when adding content about health, please only use high-quality reliable sources as references. We typically use review articles, major textbooks and position statements of national or international organizations. (There are several kinds of sources that discuss health: here is how the community classifies them and uses them.) WP:MEDHOW walks you through editing step by step. A list of resources to help edit health content can be found here. The edit box has a built-in citation tool to easily format references based on the PMID or ISBN.

While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which has a button "Cite" click on it
Then click on "Automatic" or "Manual"
For Manual: Choose the most appropriate template and fill in the details, then click "Insert"
For Automatic: Paste the URL or PMID/PMC and click "Generate" and if the article is available on PubMed Central, Citoid will populate a citation which can be inserted by clicking "Insert"

We also provide style advice about the structure and content of medicine-related encyclopedia articles. The welcome page is another good place to learn about editing the encyclopedia. If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a note. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2020

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 12:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MrOllie: Every human knows that sleep, nutrition and rest is how one gets rid of fatigue. Known facts do not need a reference. Navinwiki (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Our medical articles do, in fact need a reference, and we certainly do not rely on an individual editor's beliefs and experiences. Please reference the content you add to such articles in accordance with our policies and guidelines outlined in the section titled "References" above. Thank you, -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I'll add a reference. Although this is not my individual belief. It is medically known and a common fact that rest, sleep and nutrition relieves fatigue. Asking for a reference would be like asking for proof that we need to breathe to live. That's overkill. A researcher would not see much point in proving something that is already proven, hence the lack of research papers on the topic. Navinwiki (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but two points. First, the sources must support the content you're adding - two of those sources did not mention the eyes or the ocular muscles at all. Second, per WP:MEDDATE these sources must be at least somewhat recent - your third ref was from 1936. - MrOllie (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MrOllie. What is your objective here? Obtaining citations for common knowledge? Citations are required when somebody states something without evidence and nobody else would believe it without evidence, especially when it requires an expert in a field to prove it. Muscle fatigue can be relieved with rest, sleep and nutrition. You don't need any proof or citation for this. Every human knows this. This is why researchers dont even bother doing any research in this area, hence the lack of journals for this specific topic. When your (or anybody's) eyes gets strained, just close your eyes, relax the muscles or sleep, and your fatigue related eye strain will reduce. This is "research" and immediate validation that any human can do. You do not need a citation for this. Thousands of people are ruining their eyesight by not doing this basic procedure to relieve the strain. Please dont deny them this information. The least you could do, is to help with citations from medical textbooks. Lots of the medical info cited on Wikipedia is from medical textbooks, and I do not have access to it. Please help with the citations if its really necessary, but please dont remove the info about proper sleep, rest and nutrition. It's just commonsense for relieving fatigued muscles. Navinwiki (talk) 07:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My objective is to ensure that medical content is properly sourced. It is time to be a bit rigid about this given the history of fringe claims that have appeared on the Eye strain article. - MrOllie (talk) 12:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you on ensuring false claims of cures arent put on Wikipedia. That's why I'm fiercely defending my additions. My eyes have been paining everyday, throughout the day from 2011 to 2017 because of severe eye strain. Not a single ophthalmologist in two major cities was able to cure me. All they suggested were eye drops, lenses etc. Finally, in desperation, I did my own trials and over a period of many years, I eliminated all the nonsense that does not work and started recovering only when I ensured I got 8hr sleep each night, closed my eyes whenever I felt strain and ensured proper nutrition (especially protein). At my level of strain, I could notice even the little things that made a difference. I have also tried asking doctors to use me as a test subject, but they could not, because they needed more such subjects. I am recovering after so many years of pain and wrong advice, so take it from me as the truth: sleep, rest and nutrition (and the doctors themselves agree with me). I do enthusiastically look forward to references to med textbooks and researchers who have the good sense to conduct trials where they compare the efficacy of rest and sleep vs. all the other nonsense that is currently prescribed. Moreover, the existing references on the page are also from sources that are not accepted by Wikipedia. Why aren't you removing those? In the computer vision syndrome page, there is info about blue light spectacles that is false, misleading and a clear advertising ploy. Nobody seems bothered about removing those. Very odd. Navinwiki (talk) 12:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's pretty big and volunteer time is limited, you shouldn't assume that just because we haven't checked and replaced every bad source or improper addition that we support them. - MrOllie (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]