User talk:Nationality law afficionado
Nationality law
[edit]Why are you removing the category human migration from various articles on Nationality law? Clearly naturalization of foreigners and immigration is a result of migration. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform and typically making a wide-ranging set of edits like this is discussed with those who have edited the page. I would be interested in knowing why you think it should be removed. SusunW (talk) 16:18, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I only did this for consistency. Either all "nationality law" articles should be in the category or none should be. Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Category_talk:Human migration. Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- I would think that all nationality articles should have the category, but I am willing to discuss it. SusunW (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Can I suggest that we have the discussion on Category_talk:Human_migration so that other interested users can add to the debate? Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done. For the record, I have been working on a project since the first of the year to ensure that all 195 countries have articles on nationality law. I have managed to write or rewrite 40. It's a huge project and really I am only doing it because 1) I want to write about women's loss of nationality and need global context; 2) our nationality articles are a mess. Lots of confusion between citizenship and nationality on the pages and tons of information that is uncited or copied directly from primary sources. If you're interested, I'd love to have help. SusunW (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's great work! I have read many nationality articles and on several occasions have found them to be outdated or wrong. As many people will get their nationality law information from Wikipedia, it's important that we get these articles right so that people are properly informed about their citizenship rights. So, again, great that you've done so much work in this space already. I don't yet know how much time I will be able to put in. The Belgian nationality law article already took me about 2 days to re-write properly! Nationality law afficionado (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that is the issue, they are outdated and many people conflate nationality with citizenship, (which is why I have been defining it in the lede of every article) so there is a lot of information that is irrelevant in many of these articles. My hope is that by explaining the difference, edits are confined to nationality. Citzenship in X should be a completely different set of articles, as there are many places where one can be a national and not a citizen or not have complete rights that other citizens do. The reason I have only done 40 is that I won't put anything in an article that isn't cited and clarified, so yes, I spend 2-7 days on each article. This is what I'm working on if you are interested. The Talk describes the scope and if you go to the User Page tab, you can see the various drafts. Some are waiting on native speakers to proof language, others are waiting on clarification of information. I figure it will take more than a year to get through each country so that I can finally finish writing about what I really wanted to write about, women's loss of nationality. SusunW (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will take a look in more detail. Nationality law afficionado (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Apparently because I created your talk page, it automatically bookmarked the page and I just got notice you edited Loss of citizenship. (I've unbookmarked your page). What I was discussing earlier about confusion between nationality and citizenship is clear there. Loss of citizenship is ≠ loss of nationality. This lede "Loss of citizenship, also referred to as loss of nationality, is the event of ceasing to be a citizen of a country under the nationality law of that country" is incorrect. Loss of nationality is ceasing to be a member of a country under nationality laws. Loss of citizenship is defined in domestic law for domestic purposes. In the US and Mexico, for example, state or federal statutes define who gets rights. Loss of citizenship might include, women who married in the 19th century and lost their citizenship rights because of coverture. Unless they married a foreigner, they continued to be nationals. Likewise, African Americans living in the south had no citizenship because of Jim Crow laws and some persons convicted of crimes lose the right to vote but they don't lose their nationality. Maybe as the topic interests you, as you have time, you can chip away at the problems. I'm out for the day. Nice to meet you, by the way. SusunW (talk) 22:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will take a look in more detail. Nationality law afficionado (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that is the issue, they are outdated and many people conflate nationality with citizenship, (which is why I have been defining it in the lede of every article) so there is a lot of information that is irrelevant in many of these articles. My hope is that by explaining the difference, edits are confined to nationality. Citzenship in X should be a completely different set of articles, as there are many places where one can be a national and not a citizen or not have complete rights that other citizens do. The reason I have only done 40 is that I won't put anything in an article that isn't cited and clarified, so yes, I spend 2-7 days on each article. This is what I'm working on if you are interested. The Talk describes the scope and if you go to the User Page tab, you can see the various drafts. Some are waiting on native speakers to proof language, others are waiting on clarification of information. I figure it will take more than a year to get through each country so that I can finally finish writing about what I really wanted to write about, women's loss of nationality. SusunW (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's great work! I have read many nationality articles and on several occasions have found them to be outdated or wrong. As many people will get their nationality law information from Wikipedia, it's important that we get these articles right so that people are properly informed about their citizenship rights. So, again, great that you've done so much work in this space already. I don't yet know how much time I will be able to put in. The Belgian nationality law article already took me about 2 days to re-write properly! Nationality law afficionado (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done. For the record, I have been working on a project since the first of the year to ensure that all 195 countries have articles on nationality law. I have managed to write or rewrite 40. It's a huge project and really I am only doing it because 1) I want to write about women's loss of nationality and need global context; 2) our nationality articles are a mess. Lots of confusion between citizenship and nationality on the pages and tons of information that is uncited or copied directly from primary sources. If you're interested, I'd love to have help. SusunW (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Can I suggest that we have the discussion on Category_talk:Human_migration so that other interested users can add to the debate? Nationality law afficionado (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)