User talk:Nagle/Archive 2010-10-20

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies

Hi. I have emailed you to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change (survey described here). If interested, please email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Village Pump

John, not the actor or artist (lol!), since your recent advice over at ANI I have successfully used the Village Pump, technical section twice in about 24 hours. BTW those guys are great over there. I become more impressed with Wikipedia each day. Anyway, I want to show you the result of the second request. It's fixed!!! Ti-30X (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, well maybe you didn't see it because it is not active anymore. That ANI thread that I screwed up was fixed by the technical people over at the Village Pump. Whew! Also, one more thing, in regards to what you might have been saying about the importance of my thread at ANI. I have come to realize that I jumped over a few steps in the process by posting that there. Anyway, thanks for your input, it was very helpful. And, I "heard" you when you said there were several frustrated parties involved. I really didn't want that. Ti-30X (talk) 13:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ezra Merkin

Hello. Would you care to contribute to the debate on whether to remark on his Jewish ethnicity on the talk page? I would contribute further but everything seems to become an ad-hominem attack as I have edited several Jewish articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beganlocal (talk • contribs) 21:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Reordering on Taleb page

Hi! The edit [1] you recently mentioned is not deleting information, just re-ordering. Ulner (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking discussion/description of signalling for automated Metro trains

I see from some of your contributions to the article about the recent train crash in Washington, that you have some familiarity with this area. I have none, can you recommend any sources?

... in particular I wonder whether the Washington Metro system logs all signals from its ~3,000 circuits (the circuit count reported in the Washington Post as the total for the 100+ miles of track), centrally in real time. If yes, it seems likely that a collision like this one might well have been prevented if the circuits' event records were carefully scrutinized in real time for 'gaps' or other anomalies. Such as, "If train #1 has been recorded travelling on circuit #1, and is no longer being recorded on circuit #2, then it is still presumed to be on circuit #2 until it has been recorded on circuit #3"....as opposed to the current behavior which apparently is, "if train #1 is not recorded as being on circuit #2, go ahead and send train #2 onto circuit #2."

I don't doubt that this is at least somewhat of an oversimplification, but perhaps it makes the general idea clear: since it is apparently unsafe to assume that a single circuit will reliably report the presence of a train, it would be helpful to consider additional data that would shed light on the situation.

Apart from the above idea, it would seem that any time a train is recorded as having come onto both circuit #1 and circuit #3, but was not recorded as having come onto circuit #2 in the meantime, you would want that sequence to be defined as an event that triggered an immediate warning that there was a BIG safety problem with circuit #2.

Yes, I know that the Post has so far only reported that the troubled circuit failed to report a standing train. Perhaps it will come to be known that despite the failure mode for standing trains, it has no trouble recording and reporting a moving train. Regardless of the specific failure modes of this particular circuit today, at seems that some real-time sanity checking of the reported progress of trains, beyond what has been in place up until now, may be necessary for increased overall system safety.

This is all 100% uninformed amateur speculation. That's why I am keen to know more. Maybe all of these bases have been covered already, somehow. Publius3 (talk) 05:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

found: info about system and real time logs

Found a link, inside the article at http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post.cgi?id=2702 , to the NTSB report about the 1996 fatal crash at the Metro Shady Grove station. It includes a pretty thorough description of the system, and confirms that circuit events are were logged real-time, albeit with a granularity limitation of one second intervals. Log file excerpts now available via links in an article at FrederickNewsPost, show thoroughly wacky data from the two offending circuits for several minutes prior to this month's collision: had these logs been programatically scrutinized in real time, an alert could have been triggered and the striking train could probably have been slowed and stopped before entering the occupied block. -Publius3 Publius3 (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Synthetic fuel

Hi, Nagle. There is a plan to improve the Synthetic fuel article to the GA level. In this process, there are still several issues, which should be done before renominating this article for GAN. As you have contributed to the article and/or discussion, you may be interested to participate in the discussion about the article improvement. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 07:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Extended Validation Certificates/Melih Abdulhayoglu

Hello, Nagle. I would appreciate your opinion about the Extended Validation Certificate page. My colleague Lakshmin has made some recent changes to the page. We both work for Comodo, a certificate authority that issues Extended Validation certificates.

Among other things, Lakshmin has swapped out a graphic from Verisign and replaced it with one from Comodo. We do want to maintain the neutral POV, so please let me know if we have stepped over the line.

This afternoon I am also contacting a few editors to ask them to visit the Melih Abdulhayoglu page. Melih Abdulhayoglu is the CEO of Comodo. Early on I told an editor that I worked for Comodo so he put neutrality and conflict of interest banners on the article.

I hope that we have cleaned up the article enough that the banners deserve to be removed. Is this the way to go about requesting their removal?

If you can help, I would appreciate it.Katharine908 (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: The Fifth (Band)

Hello Nagle, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of The Fifth (Band) - a page you tagged - because: being signed to a notable label indicated importance/significance. A7 does not require that notability exists or is established, use WP:AFD instead. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. So Why 06:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True. They issued their first album on a major label yesterday. Someone else has proposed deletion. Article doesn't claim enough notability to pass WP:BAND. --John Nagle (talk) 04:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions at Talk:Power Rangers

Is there a more effective way to add footnotes or a sufficient alternative that refer to other articles in a way that does not add unnecessary prose to the article?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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AN/I

See WP:ANI#BLP issues and Personal Attacks on JIDF Talk Page. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 18:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Neo Black Movement of Africa

Just to let you know that seeing as you're the only other person who's helped at the above, I've cleaned the page. Go look, tell me what you think. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That one is tough. There are few reliable sources, and both AllAfrica and The Economist are behind paywalls now. This article in The Sun [2] might help. --John Nagle (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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JIDF

Hi, the JIDF page is semi-protected for a month. I think it would be good to take advantage of this to sort out some of th elong standing problems. I'm going through para by para proposing changes. Please feel free to join in.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, them again. Sigh. --John Nagle (talk) 05:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to have provoked this action, but I would really like feedback on the talk page from genuine WIkipedians, not multiple JIDF anons making it look as if any action I might take would be against consensus.--Peter cohen (talk) 10:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tonica Marlow

I added some references to Tonica Marlow You may want to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tonica Marlow. - Eastmain (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

VNSA

Why did you edit the article on violent non-state actor by deleting all that was there? You think your story replaces that which was there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrormundo (talk • contribs)

Too much was uncited. The Wikipedia article needed to be tied more closely to the sources. --John Nagle (talk) 07:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I have reviewed the Petter Schjerven edit you entered into the evidence. I think your feeling that something was awry with the edit is correct, and my analysis is also on the evidence page. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1e100.net

John, in this post you asked about the mysterious 1e100.net. This story in The Register has a bunch more about 1e100. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 10:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double vote

Hello! You have double voted here. The nomination generally counts as the nominator's stance. I reckon it was probably an accident, so no big deal, but I therefore encourage you to strike the above cited edit or move it to be part of the nomination to avoid any confusion. Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ladue Yacht Club

I want to share the reasoning behind what I'm doing here.

While it is true that junk articles (hoaxes and many other similar things) use up editor time when we go through AfD, it also uses up editor time -- and more importantly goodwill -- if the article is speedied and then reappears for whatever reason. There are two advantages to a full hearing at AfD: 1) it nearly always gets the full story out so that mistakes aren't made, and 2) any decision is final and can be used as the basis for speedying and salting the article in the future if necessary.

The other thing I'd like to encourage you to consider is that most administrators active in speedy deletions go through and speedy stuff that they think meets the criteria and ignore everything else, because that's easy to do and non-controversial. 90% of the stuff that gets tagged is an easy delete. I usually pick a letter, and when I went through all the "L" articles tagged for speedy the other day, more than half of them were borderline, so I know admins have been going through looking for low-hanging fruit (in all fairness many times its newly-minted admins and they try to be conservative for good reason). I try not to do that, and so I make it a point to do something with the articles listed, realizing that often several admins will have looked at it already. I would guess four or five admins looked at the article already and didn't know what to do with it, so they just moved on. I get negative feedback across the board on this -- people complaining that I speedied their article, people complaining that I removed their speedy tag, etc. Comes with the territory, I guess. I try to be fair and reasonable and follow the criteria.

Finally, I've been wrong so many times by thinking articles are hoaxes or cover non-notable topics that I've become more careful. Often an article on a legitimate topic has a paragraph or sentence that is "hoaxworthy." Often an article that is badly written and full of puffery gets mistaken for bad faith. As dysfunctional as AfD can be it's better than it was a few years ago and the bad articles do get deleted.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, in general. This case did have to go through AfD; the originator put a "hangon" tag on it. The problem is that most new articles are junk. (Top of the list on new articles right now: "17:06, 5 April 2010 ‎Matt seliger (hist) ‎[81 bytes] ‎Mattturtle (talk | contribs) (←Created page with 'Matt seliger or in italian matthius seligerius is basically the coolest kid ever.') (Tag: very short new article)") The sheer effort required to stem the tide of incoming junk is discouraging. Maybe we need policy so that some positive approval is needed to keep a new article. At least for new editors. --John Nagle (talk) 17:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The bots and the edit filter get most of them. And they aren't actively harmful, unlike some problem edits. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 19:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sentry Gun Page

in reference to your ^{[citation needed]} insertion. the site is [http://www.airsoftsentry.com The Sentry Project]. you are not allowed to put that site on the sentry gun page though. even if you thought it was relevant you still can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.36.178 (talk • contribs) --John Nagle (talk) 21:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

your comment on ANI

Hey John, You do realize that the "fringe theory" to which we are referring to is not the allegation that there was a papal coverup/scandal, but rather that the Pope might be arrested for "crimes against humanity" when he visits Rome and that he does not count as a Head of State because the Vatican isn't a country? (Positions advanced by a two lawyers in England.) Nobody is claiming that there isn't a story related to allegations of coverup/scandals.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 08:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John, you still haven't clarified your statement. When you said it is no longer fringe, that makes me wonder if you are referencing the case that the ANI dispute discussed as being a Fringe Theory. The Fringe Theory in question is not about the sex abuse case or even alleged cover-ups. Those issues are definitely not fringe. The Fringe issue that the ANI case discussed dealt with a legal hypothesis posed by a notable lawyer and two notable athiest that called for the Pope to be arrested when he visits England this fall. A position that the Prime Minister has condemned and the associated pressed called "speculative". At the current time, outside of this small group of people, nobody is talking about arresting Benedict for "crimes against humanity" thus the theory is Fringe. The discussion about sex abuse and possible cover-up, however, are not fringe and were not referred to in the ANI case as such. So far all of your comments seem to be talking about the sex abuse scandal/cover up, and not the fringe legal case.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 17:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving sidewalk

Thanks that version of the image is much better, the book says it was photographed by a 'Government Photographer' so I looked on the Library of Congress website images of World's Columbian Exposition, but didn't see it, so I cropped the version you found at the Illinois Institute of Technology site, and added re-uploaded it. I'm not sure why the image was so badly distorted in the first version I uploaded. I did notice that in the book 'History of the World's Fair: Being a Complete and Authentic Description' that image had been replaced by a different image in certain editions, they probably got a bad copy and decided not to use the image in further editions. Thanks again. (Floppydog66 (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]