User talk:MonsenorNouel

February 2020

Hello, I'm Binksternet. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Latin trap, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Dominican Americans, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Multiracials in Latin America (February 23)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by The Drover's Wife was: This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Random racist essay. Not encyclopedic in this form or likely any other.

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Your draft article, Draft:Multiracials in Latin America

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September 2020

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January 2021

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April 2022

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. ... discospinster _talk 15:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Let me add that at least some of the sources you used at Mulatto do not qualify as reliable. See WP:RS. Rsk6400 (talk) 05:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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November 2023

Hi MonsenorNouel! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of African Americans several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

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MN, you reverted to your preferred version again, without any further engagement at the talk page. You obviously think your content is appropriate, but two editors have opposed it. It is deeply disruptive to keep adding it. Please self-revert. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but all of the information I've added is correct. If you all would just checks the sources, you would see that. MonsenorNouel (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Prove it at the talk page, and convince other editors. This is the basic work of collaboration, and refusing to engage in it leaves us little option except to continue an edit war or seek sanctions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, isn't adding sources- proving it. What more proof do you need? MonsenorNouel (talk) 19:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I need you to cite sources that actually support the content you are proposing. I've pointed out multiple examples of unsourced content at the talk page that are still unaddressed. And unsourced content is not my only objection. And I am not the only one objecting; I mistakenly said earlier that two editors have opposed your content, when it is in fact three. You will know that your content has gotten consensus because people will tell you so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Bringing the discussion here, his additions that included sources aren't wrong, nor was adherence to WP: rules. This should not be a case of 'He Who Has More Edits Wins'. Instead, play by the rules as @MonsenorNouel has, please.

The level of scrutiny the 'African Americans' article gets as well as the non-Black editors policing is mind boggling. NotPeterParker (talk) 20:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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Afro–Latin Americans removal of content

You did not explain in the edit summary why you removed this information. The article states that it is about "Latin Americans of full or mainly sub-Saharan African ancestry." This means that mixed-race Afro-Latins can be included. ... discospinster _talk 22:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

That's exactly why I removed those mentioned people, they are mixed-race. Mixed-race people can NOT be of full or predominantly black African blood if they are mixed-race, that is a oxymoron. The term mixed-race literally means to NOT be full or predominantly of any race. MonsenorNouel (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Mixed race means exactly that. Even if one race is predominant, they are still mixed. ... discospinster _talk 17:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, VISIBLY mixed race people who exhibit a multiracial phenotype (usually mulatto in this case, many times even appearing to have slightly stronger Euro blood)— are NOT of predominantly African blood, they are obviously EVENLY mixed race and it's visible in their appearance.

A person of predominantly black African blood would have 75% African blood in their DNA minimum and a physical phenotype that more closely matches a subsaharan African (especially that of west Africa where majority of enslaved ancestors of the Africa diaspora come from). 50/50 or 60/40 of 2 (or more) races is not predominantly of one race, it's evenly mixed to the point that it's visible.

People who are predominantly black with slight admixture are NOT the same as people who are evenly mixed, nor do they look the same most the time. MonsenorNouel (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you provider a reliable source (or perhaps a DNA test to be completely sure) to show that these people are less than 75% African (and justify why it should be 75%)? If not, then there is no good reason to remove them from the list. Meanwhile here are some reliable sources where individuals are called Afro-Latin*: Dascha Polanco; Zoe Saldana; Dania Ramirez; Immortal Technique; etc.... discospinster _talk 20:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

People of predominant African blood with slight admixture, can be considered black because that is their predominant race and it is obvious in their physical appearance.

People who are evenly mixed are not black just like they are not white, and are usually visually mixed.

People who are predominantly black with slight admixture are NOT the same as people who are evenly mixed, nor do they look the same most the time.

Zoe Saldana, Sascha Polanco, Dania Ramirez are visually mixed appearance wise (and usually as a result probably evenly mixed DNA wise). If these people are "black" then they are also "white". Evenly mixed people who are included in these black African diaspora pages should also be included in white European diaspora pages, either that or exclude them from both.

Immortal Technique is mostly of indigenous ancestry, that's notable in his facial features, his self identity is not his race. MonsenorNouel (talk) 23:02, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Your opinion about someone's appearance is not their race either, so please do not remove information from articles on this basis. ... discospinster _talk 01:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

You asked me to provide "DNA tests" to prove that these visually mixed race people are not of predominant African blood, but where is your proof (or the sources) proving that they are in fact predominantly African. Whoever put that up, just did it with no proof backing it, then asking to be proved wrong when someone takes it down, why should it be there in the first place??

Secondly in none of the sources you linked of Polanco, Saldana, Ramirez, Technique, none of them identified as "black", they were just talking about differences between blacks and latinos in Hollywood etc, but not that they themselves identified as such, provide better sources. MonsenorNouel (talk) 16:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

All of the sources I provided identify them as Afro-Latin*:

The fact that Saldana is not African-American, but technically Afro-Latina

"I consider myself an Afro-Latina," Polanco, who is also Dominican, quickly answered.

Women such as Judy Reyes, Dania Ramirez and the aforementioned actresses have helped to update the image of what it means to be Latina on television or in film. Nonetheless, difficulties for Afro-Latinas persist.

Afro-Latino rapper Immortal Technique headlines a Typhoon Yolanda Benefit show

... discospinster _talk 17:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

discospinster, if the article really defines its topic as "Latin Americans of full or mainly sub-Saharan African ancestry", you might want to look into if that definition is supported by sources and consensus. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know where that definition came from. I'm more concerned about User:MonsenorNouel taking it upon themselves to decide who is "African enough" to be Afro-Latin* based on an individual's appearance. ... discospinster _talk 15:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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December 2023

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Afro–Latin Americans, you may be blocked from editing. ... discospinster _talk 16:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you are the one who needs to be blocked for adding unsourced information. There's no valid sources saying these people are "black". And you keep on engaging in a edit war with me. MonsenorNouel (talk) 16:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I have literally provided reliable sources that say they are Afro-Latin*. You have yet to provide reliable sources that refute this, and you continue to remove names or add your personal commentary. ... discospinster _talk 17:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Those sources are invalid and do NOT prove they're"Afro Latino". So if the commentary is necessary if visual mixed race people with no valid proof of being predominantly African— are added. MonsenorNouel (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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