User talk:Moncrief/archive4

Edits to Dryden

In Ontario, a city is a legal term defining how a municipalities government operates. Dryden is the smallest community in Ontario with the city designation, while Kenora is the only city other than Dryden to be located in NA Central Time Zone. Fort Frances, while almost equal in size to Dryden, is not a city. It is a town. Fort Frances' legal definition is a town and for all intents and purposes it is treated as a town, NOT a city.

In Ontario, a community usually have to have 10,000 people before it is considered a city. Cities in Northern Ontario are exceptions as smaller centres are more important due to the low population.

Cities differ from towns by having different responsibilities (Maintaining a police force, higher taxation powers, etc.). The town of Markham, Ontario has over 260,000 peoples. To avoid having to pay for further responsibilities through higher taxes, it has refused city status.

The statements in the Dryden article are factual and accurate.

vid 00:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup in Minneapolis

Minnesota Meetup

Sunday, 2007-10-07, 1:00 p.m. (13:00)
Pracna on Main
117 Main SE, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Map

Please pass this on! RSVP here.

Spam delivered by -Susanlesch 16:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article Alan Sues has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article seemed to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. MastCell ^Talk 18:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indef block on an IP?

Greetings! I noticed you blocked User:63.100.44.98 indefinitely. This seems exceptionally harsh for a shared IP. Based on history, I'd have maybe gone a week. I don't think a month would be unreasonable, but I do think indefinite is a harsh punishment for the actions of one person on a shared IP. Do you agree that the block duration should be pared down? —C.Fred (talk) 04:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take it up on the IP's talk page if you have a problem. It looks like somebody already did, and the admin responded with his or her reason for sustaining the block. To answer your question: no, I don't think it is at all unreasonably harsh, considering the repeated and sustained vandalism from that IP, and the repeated warnings posted and posted again to the IP's talk page. Whether the IP is shared or not isn't relevant for Wikipedia as long as vandalism continued to come from it. Temporary blocks obviously didn't work, as they'd been tried before. Moncrief 15:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Threats

Please refrain from using threats to other users. "A revert of this will take you directly to Wikipedia arbitration." What is this? Mr. Oh-you-better-follow-what-I-do-or-I-will-ban-your-ass?

Don't be a jerk.

Sky Divine (talk) 01:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Divine is such a blatant troll.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 04:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Sven Sundgaard

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Havidol

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Janet Huckabee

I have changed the redirect page you created for Janet Huckabee to an article, in part because she was the only wife of a 2008 major party U.S. presidential candidate, lacking a Wikipedia article on her. --TommyBoy (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An anonymous user has posted a question on Talk:Janet Huckabee, asking if she is also related to John McCain since her maiden is "McCain". I do not know the answer to this question, but I think it would be interesting to look into. If you have any thoughts on the question, please feel free to discus them on the article's talk page. --TommyBoy (talk) 23:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Smc.jpg

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I removed the tag and added information I believe to be correct. Feel free to change anything I added.--Appraiser (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UK English

Regarding this edit, please note that "ize" and "izing" are the standard endings in the Oxford English Dictionary in most cases. Stifle (talk) 14:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Natalee Holloway

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Unblocked IPs

I've unblocked three IPs that you had blocked indefinitely. I don't know if blocking IPs indefinitely was common practice back in the day but it isn't now (unless they violate the open proxy policy). 16:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Calhoun Beach Club photo

I was looking on Flickr for photos of the Calhoun Beach Club, since it's on the National Register of Historic Places. I'm working a list of properties on the National Register in Hennepin County. (It's currently at User:Elkman/sandbox, but eventually I'll move it.) I noticed this photo by a user named Moncrief Speaks, which I'm guessing is you.

Would you be willing to upload this picture to Wikipedia or to the Commons? I think it would illustrate an article nicely, and I'm looking for a relatively complete set of pictures for the list. Let me know if you'd be willing to upload it. Thanks! --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 02:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

March 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am saying in general. I noticed your recent edits and many of them you did not use edit summary. So I have issued you a notice about using edit summary. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will just request you to identify where I have not used edit summary. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 19:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Automated edit summary is counted as edit summary. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 19:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

apologies

i thought i knew the MOS for that, but apparently not. you are correct re song titles not being in itals. Anastrophe (talk) 23:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Jews in Germany - Copyright Violation?

Before putting a "possible copyright infringement" tag on an article, I would read the TALK page of that article first. This issue has been discussed before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany

Incorporating text from PUBLIC DOMAIN articles is NOT a copyright violation! Check the reference section of each article before wasting the time of those who put much time and effort into creating and editing on WIKIPEDIA.

Nellov5 (talk) 20:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than permitting JOURNALIST to continue to exert his authority and harassment, why will you not delete the page as I requested. I am the page's author and the subject of the page and I do not wish it to be available, particularly as JOURNALIST has prevented me from making changes to my own biography out of petty spite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JKMMOC (talk • contribs) 17:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The copyvio tag has been removed by an administrator. Next time, do your homework, Moncrief... before wasting other people's time again. It is customary to first leave a comment on the Talk Page before putting tags of any kind on Wikipedia articles.

Nellov5 (talk) 11:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spooner

Yeah, it did explode. We're not sure why yet. Ya know I happen to live in Wisconsin and I watch the news. Do you think I'm stupid?! Blue Laser (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of United States

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Can you help???

this is a wiki that I made. Can you please help me with this project?? thanks.Sternhe (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sternhe (talk • contribs) 15:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image copyright problem with Image:Cbc.jpg

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Humid subtropical

"Who wrote this awful sentence? If it's 0C in Central Park, where is it -1.5? What IS the coldest month? How does this make it humid subtropical? So many unanswered questions.." -Moncrief -1.5C must of been recorded somewhere in NYC. It's an approximate figure. The coldest month is January, as I pout in the article. As for humid subtropical, just check what it means. Press olive, win oil (talk) 21:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joe the Plumber

I reverted this. It's only protected for a couple of days so unless there is something blatently needing to be adressed urgently it looks very bad if admins edit a protected page. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 19:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 2008

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Moncrief, I see here that you are an administrator on this Wikipedia. I am very happy that you are attempting to assist and add content however you must realize that you recently edited a fully protected article which is in direct violation of Wikipedia policy. I am very curious to know why you edited this fully protected page when it very clearly was not an emergency. Might you please respond? Bstone (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made a mistake in editing Joe the Plumber when it was fully protected. Sorry about that. Admins make mistakes sometimes, too! :-) Thanks for your message. Moncrief (talk) 15:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley Todd

FYI, you may be interested to see that Ashley Todd was speedily deleted using CSD:G10 as the justification: "exists primarily to disparage its subject." I happen to disagree with this decision as the article was neutral and nothing on the AfD page implied it as an "attack" page, and content that this is out of process. I encourage you to chime in if you have an opinion either way at User_talk:Orderinchaos#Out_of_order_deletion_of_Ashley_Todd. Thanks. -- Fuzheado | Talk 21:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sapulpa, OK

I appreciate your effort to eliminate POV issues with controversial issues such as this one. However, within the very source I cited, the publisher himself admits tbe news broke "hours before they went to press," so they deliberately did not write about it. To make that statement is not an argument, nor is it a claim that they did it for political reasons, it is a fact verified by the publisher. Essentially, the intentional omission of the story is the whole reason those protesters are upset. By toying with wording in a quest to sound more neutral, you may actually be giving the article a bias in favor of the publisher. You're correct that it reads almost the same. Ultimately, I get your point and I am keeping your edit to avoid conflicts over future wording, but it was perhaps inappropriate to imply that I was purposefully wording the article to create bias (as it was central to the conflict) and even more inappropriate to suggest that I did not provide sufficient proof for the claim. Rob Shepard (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need help

I have problem i know english language just a little. All my articles are full of grammar mistakes. someone must correct it. Could you? User:PostFactum (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outing Sipple

Because it has no connection to anything else. Sipple has not yet been introduced as a major figure in Milk's life, so his name in the subheading is random. And the quoted subheading adds an element of style to the article, which is why it's Featured. --Moni3 (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Fitzgerald

That's what I meant. Thanks! Daniel Case (talk) 19:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Roland Burris

I believe the article refereced in footnote 18 indicates that Burris has "repeatedly" said he is a senator. let me know if you have other concerns.--Ccson (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked the reference and they have changed the article title and removed some of the content to reflect the actions of today, but it was there on date of access when I added the text and the reference.--Ccson (talk) 17:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mad Men

Hi, I don't read the text as implying evolution between 1960-62, just that it was beginning to happen by 1962. For what it's worth, the New York chapter of the Mattachine Society was started in 1955... —EqualRights (talk) 23:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Minnesota Meetup

2009

Proposed date: Saturday, October 10.
Details under discussion.

Please share this with anyone who may be interested.

Delivered by Jonathunder (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Whoops, my bad. The page had been excessively vandalized. Removed both notice and vandalism.

What on earth? Dear lord. Moncrief (talk) 05:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Stop sign

Re: your 20:07, 27 August 2010 edit to Stop sign.

Actually, there are plenty of stop signs in Quebec (in Montreal, at least) that say only "STOP", and still quite a few old ones that say ARRÊT/STOP. You need only visit Montreal (virtually, using Google Street View) to find countless examples.

The part of Pointe Claire north of Boulevard Brunswick seems to be a particularly fertile source of ARRÊT/STOP signs. For instance, here is the corner of Hermitage and Glenforest.

The municipality of Dollard des Ormeaux in the suburbs of Montreal seems to have mostly "STOP" signs. For instance, here is the corner of Hyman and Angora.

A clear photo of an old dual ARRÊT/STOP sign in Québec can be found here. Too bad it's copyrighted.

As the Stop sign article mentions, the original ARRÊT/STOP signs were intended to be bilingual, but since "STOP" is also a valid French word, they were reinterpreted to be merely redundant. Newly installed stop signs use only ARRÊT or STOP, but there are still quite a few legacy dual-text signs still in existence.

-- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 06:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS, I thought it would be fascinating to see if any three-way intersections existed where each stop sign was of one of the three different kinds (ARRÊT, STOP, and ARRÊT STOP). Acting on a hunch for what would be a likely location, I found two examples with Google Street View. Check out Talk:Stop_sign if you're interested. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Thanks for the detailed info. You've definitely made your case. I withdraw my question/tag. Moncrief (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup

In the area? You're invited to the
May 2018 Minnesota User Group Meeting

	Date: 31 October 2010
	Time: noon
	Place: Midtown Exchange Global Market, East Lake Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota 44°56′57″N 93°15′40″W / 44.9493°N 93.2612°W / 44.9493; -93.2612

Hey hey hey

What the heck was that last sentence all about? That was uncalled for an more than a bit uncivil. You were already aware that the matter was being discussed at the NOR noticeboard (either that, or you hadn't read the discussion page posts); when a mater is already being discussed in one venue, taking it elsewhere is seen as forum-shopping. If you were unaware, then my apologies. Being a jerk isn't gong to help the discussion, which - to the best of my knowledge - hasn't gotten personal. Keep it civil. Please? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finally rolling up your sleeves and getting some citations. You might want to learn how not to make talk page discussions gladiatorial matches; so much more gets done when you avoid being uncivil. Realize that having 20k edits doesn't impart some magic perfume of leadership or authority - each interaction is a new thing; trust that my edits from my older, retired accounts far outnumber yours, and consider it some good, friendly advice, if not wiki-wisdom. Have a good day! - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]