User talk:Mistertoh

Welcome!

Hello, Mistertoh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• Tutorial
• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
• Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! JohnCD (talk) 13:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Advice

Later today I will try to provide more specific advice, but for a start these would be useful reading:

• WP:Your first article
• WP:Notability (organizations and companies)
• WP:FAQ/Organizations

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Attana

Because articles about this company have been deleted several times, any new attempt will be greeted with some suspicion. I suggest that you make a draft in your user space - see Help:Userspace draft for how to do that - ask for comments if you like at WP:Requests for feedback, and then submit is at WP:Articles for creation, where either it will be accepted or you will be told why not.

Three pieces of important advice:

• Promotion: be very careful indeed not to sound promotional. Many people see Wikipedia as free advertising space, and therefore it is extremely resistant to being used in that way. An encyclopedia article is quite a different thing from a company brochure; Wikipedia requires a neutral point of view and the WP:Verifiability policy requires that "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source." If your article talks about the founder's "dream" and makes unsupported statements about how its products are smaller, faster, better etc, it will be deleted again. What is wanted is a dry, factual account of what the company does and what it has achieved, with references to back up the claims.

• Notability: Wikipedia is not a business listing directory and does not expect to have an article about every company. The criterion used is called notability, and is not a matter of opinion but must be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people unconnected with the subject thought it important enough to write significant comment about? Before you put much effort into writing an article, make sure that you can really meet this requirement, because if not you will be wasting your time.

• Copyright: the last time an article was posted, it was deleted as a copyright violation, because our automatic copyright-violation-detector found that it was a copy of http://dbpedia.org/page/Attana. I think that was probably a false-positive, because I think that source was probably copied from an earlier version in Wikipedia; however it looks as though parts of it may well be taken from the company's website. For legal reasons to do with the license, material must not be copied into Wikipedia unless a formal copyright release has been made as described in WP:DCM, but that is very seldom worth doing because company websites and the like are almost always unacceptably promotional.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for your feedback! I will work on a draft and solicit comments. (: On a side note, I'm not sure if this is the right way to reply... is there a reply button somewhere? I am new to Wikipedia. ):

Regards, Mistertoh (talk) 11:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)