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This Month in GLAM: November 2019



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Hello, I just wanted to thank you for helping out with the Rudolf Bayr page, I send you a big kiss from Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaicol (talk • contribs) 22:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Looking Beyond for deletion

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                                                 Happy holidays

Happy New Year!
Missvain,
Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.

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Beautiful graphic! Thank you and happy New Year to you User:Northamerica1000. Missvain (talk) 18:50, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy 2020 and beyond

Have a terrific decade. Thanks for all your help! FloridaArmy (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:FloridaArmy, you too! Missvain (talk) 18:50, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Evel Pie

Hello, Missvain

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Kudpung and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Atomic Liquors

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Hans Nichols

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:34, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Hans Nichols

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:37, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Paola Ramos (journalist)

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Copyvios

Just as a note/request, if you remove something from an article or draft (or anywhere, I suppose) please make sure you put in a {{revdel}} request so that the content can be appropriately hidden. As a minor/additional note, marking drafts as "checked for copyvios" is not as helpful as it may seem; if the draft is changed after the note is added, copyvios could be added but a reviewer might see the note and not think to check the current revision. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips and guidance! Missvain (talk) 23:07, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve Monica Berg

Hello, Missvain,

Thank you for creating Monica Berg.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

The subject of this article may fail notability per WP:BLP1E - winning an award which in itself does not meet Wikipedia notability criteria. One established, reliable source, The Telegraph is not enough, multiple high quality sources are required. To navoid possible deletion, please address these issues if you can.

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Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kudpung: you should not have tagged that article. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 20:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:E. J. Rath

Not sure why this one is so hard to get approved. Clearly notable. I'd be hapoy to have help if you or any of your page watchers want to lend a hand. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Thomas P. Morgan

This is another draft langhishing since September. I'd be glad to have help! FloridaArmy (talk) 12:21, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Eugenia Dunlap Potts

Greetings. Can you please see what you can make of this one? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:29, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anna Zeide

I'm told a James Beard Award isn't enough, but it seems a good start. I wonder how the subject would fare at a deletion discussion? Many James Beard Award winners do indeed have entries. I believe I read she has some other works in progress. What do you think? FloridaArmy (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

That's a joke. James Beard Awards are like the Oscars of hospitality and food in the United States. I know - I have friends who have won them! Missvain (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
I want you to know that I think you are a great editor, producing great content. As an old hand, I know how hard content writing can be. Thank you for your great work! Chris.sherlock (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Gosh, thanks Chris. I'm humbled and flattered and appreciate your support. Missvain (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Linda Waggoner

This researcher and writer has been pretty influential and seems notable. At least one other editor strongly disagrees. What do you and your page followers think? Her work on Cora and her husband (who appaarently pretended.to be Native American) made some waves and seem to me to be pretty widely cited and discussed. Public lecturer etc. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

That was an easy accept once you Google her! Fascinating. She lives in my neck of the woods... Missvain (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
I also found her work very interesting. Raises a lot of questions too. What did De Cora and others close to William Henry Dietz and at the school know? Did it matter to her?
I found a lot of interesting stories related to the school. Jim Thorpe. Pop Warner. Issues of amateur v. professional sports. Thorpe had his Olympic medals stripped. Stacking a collegiate level team with ringers. Were they students? Unclear to me. And then all the administration and assimilation / integration issues and how Native Americans were treated and viewed.
I'd like to get back to working on some of those subjects and Indian Bureau stuff as well as Reconstruction African American leaders and politicians, but going that far back the sourcing available online doesn't always meet the exacting standards of the AfC reviewers.. Many Black politicians in the south didn't last long.
I came across Draft:White Municipal Party and Draft:Modern Democrats (more recent history) and it's pretty jaw dropping stuff. Thanks again for your outstanding work and invaluable assistance. Well deserved barnstar you got and I want to add my kudos, appreciation, many thanks, and huzzahs!!! Have a wonderful 2020 and beyond. I apologize if I've hit you with too many drafts. I tried to at least some Lady in Red Project ones lately. The two I mention above are FYI because I found them interesting and shocking. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Belated thanks on Jenee Fleenor

I'm not sure I listen to her much, but it was nice she got an article considering her historic award.T. Anthony (talk) 03:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Awe, thanks! I heard her interviewed on NPR and I was shocked she didn't have an article, so I knocked out something to make sure she's in the Wikipedia history book. :) Missvain (talk) 03:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Well done, Missvain. She is indisputably notable and thank you for creating the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
I picked the "Special Barnstar" cos I couldn't find one that really said what I wanted to say ......... which is "thanks for all you do around here" and "there are lots of editors who admire your resilience" and "looking forward to seeing lots more of your cool articles"! MurielMary (talk) 09:51, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Wow, thank you User:MurielMary, I am so humbled. Thank you. Missvain (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Achille Salvagni

I haven't even completed my review of the sources of Achille Salvagni, but even halfway, this is beyond unacceptable. Almost none of the sources support the claims made in the article. The subject is probably sufficiently notable that an article could be written about him, but it's not this version. When you accepted this, did you check the sources? Vexations (talk) 01:19, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! Happy New Year! Salvagni is a very famous interior designer. I'm familiar with his work - heck, I read an interview with him in the Wall Street Journal last week about interior design trends. Of course, I don't expect most Wikipedians to know about interior design, but hey, you never know! I'm a strong supporter of allowing an article to be improved, rather than sending it back to be rejected repeatedly. If you disagree that he's notable, feel free to nominate it for AfD, but, he passes our notability guidelines, so it probably will be a waste of energy. Feel free to tag away at the article or improve it. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. As the Italians say - cin cin and as my Wikipedia motto goes - "Improve - don't disapprove!" Missvain (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Missvain, well, I was hoping that you'd address what I think is a problem:You didn't check the sources, but decided that subject was notable because you know (about) him. If you had, you would have noticed the dead links, at least. WP:N is a guideline, but WP:V is policy. Sure, he may be notable, but verifiability first, no? Vexations (talk) 02:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Raul Jimenez Tellado

You have reviewed this draft and claim "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." However, this is not supported by facts as the draft is extremely well referenced with professional journal links and official research institutions. Could you indicate which specific references are not "reliable" I note two facts: Prof. Jimenez is the leading cosmologist in Spain and one of the leading world cosmologist, thus the need for a wikipedia page. Second: please do compare the carefulness at how this draft is cross-referenced with e.g. Avi Loeb entry and his multiple outrageous claims, why is that page not flagged for deletion? Thanks, Happy new year and looking forward to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantizan (talk • contribs) 10:47, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Cantizan! We have very specific policies regarding notability and inclusion of professors - please take a look here: Wikipedia:Professor test. Second, if Tellado wrote it, then you shouldn't use it as a citation. So, please replace any of his journal articles or websites that he's written or he's associated with and replace those with reliable secondary sources. You can read more about what those are here: WP:Reliable. Things like magazine and newspaper interviews with him, are examples. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Carrie Gerlach Cecil

Thoughts? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)  Done Missvain (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Depredation permit

I don't understand the logic of those objecting to this draft. It doesn't look at all like a dictionary definition to me. And the sources inckude coverage of the permits and issues involved in reliable independemt sources. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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 Done Missvain (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Boone Newspapers

This company seems quite notable to me.but has languished.in draftspace.for a while. Thoughts? FloridaArmy (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 16:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Condolences and images

Sorry about [1]. I hope a few images help.

I also have a question, though: for Edith Mayo, I actually found more copyright-free images than I put in. I uploaded these two images, which seem rather nice, but am not sure whether they would overload the article. I cropped a nice face shot of Ms. Mayo out of one, and put that in the infobox, but maybe we should put these in too? Your call. --GRuban (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Lady Bird Johnson visits the National Museum of American History First Ladies Hall, with (left) grandaughter Claudia, and (right) museum employees Edith Mayo and Manuel Melendez
    Lady Bird Johnson visits the National Museum of American History First Ladies Hall, with (left) grandaughter Claudia, and (right) museum employees Edith Mayo and Manuel Melendez
  • Cybill Shepherd at the Smithsonian "Castle", flanked by Museum employees (l.) Edith Mayo and Marilyn Lyons.
    Cybill Shepherd at the Smithsonian "Castle", flanked by Museum employees (l.) Edith Mayo and Marilyn Lyons.
C'est la vie and thank you. I appreciate the thought regarding ArbCom! Never thought that's how the New Year would kick off on wiki! Love the new images - and appreciate your best efforts with the journalist, ha! I maybe adding a photo of her with Lady Bird Johnson would be great, since it ties into one of her subject matter areas. But, perhaps just keeping a Commons category at the bottom with the rest is great. Please be sure to add them here!. Thank YOU! Missvain (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2019



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Thank you

It was distressing to see the Melissa Albert article baselessly nominated for deletion like that. It was a relief to see you do a speedy keep. Thank you for saving me nearly a week! Have a great one! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Onsight Deeda

Hello admin, you deleted the article Onsight Deeda created by me without mention any reason in the deletion discussion. Kindly explain, why the article doesn't meet criteria for WP:Notability (people) and if you can do this, it will be very helpful to me for further biographical articles.(Techwritar (talk) 13:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC))

Hi there. You can see why it was deleted here. Check out WP:MUSICBIO. Cheers! Missvain (talk) 16:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response but the article meets the number one criteria on WP: MUSICBIO. I suggest you cross-check the article again and if you don't agree with what I said let me know. Techwritar (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

What criteria? Unfortunately, he doesn't even qualify for an article for the general notability guidelines of having significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. Here's a breakdown of the sources:
Of course, if you disagree with my deletion of the article after it was taken to WP:AfD then you are welcome to dispute it. You can find more information about that here. If you are also interested in having the last version of the article copied into your sandbox or personal user space, let me know and I will copy it over. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation, I agree with you on this. Techwritar (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 28, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, CodeLyokotalk 05:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Request on 09:40:34, 13 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Wortmead


Dear Missvain, Thank you for the list of helpful resources: this draft is undergoing revision to reflect 'neutrality' and with a clearer lead section. Should the revised draft include more English-language, so fewer German references? Is it preferable to use the citation easy tool - (as a learner, this tool proved not so easy to use!). Would an Infobox with author image be better? Finally, biographies on this author exist in German, French, Italian, is it possible or important to reflect this within the English-language biography? Looking forward to further advice. Wortmead (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Wortmead (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wortmead - No need to get rid of those non-English sources, as long as they are reliable secondary sources. Also, no need to mention Wikipedia articles about the subject are in other languages. It doesn't matter. Thank you! Missvain (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Missvain, Thank you! Working through to resubmit. Wortmead (talk) 09:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Pornographic performer articles

I see your intention to focus on this area and i'm mindful that we need sensible users to work on this and that my nominations require a degree of searching for sources that must distract you from improving the articles you want to work on. My question is how many nominations can I put up at any one time without swamping you? At the moment my focus is on badly sourced articles that were previously retained because of depreciated ideas of inherent notability like being in a HOF. Thanks. Spartaz Humbug! 19:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Spartaz - I'm so glad you stopped by about this! Would it be easier to list a few articles before we AfD them? Like drop a list off here on my talk page (or wherever you want on wiki) and I can start to check them out and see if I can make improvements. If I can't, then off to AfD it goes. Thoughts? I suggest this because it might be better than bombarding AfD with articles. I like to make it a last resort, if possible, but if there is some urgency I'm unaware of, whatever option you think is best... Missvain (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your work with this. I'm also thrilled about WP:PORNBIO being deprecated for the reasons you gave at the Midori AfD but a bit concerned about some actually notable people getting deleted at the same time - given the unique problems with sourcing articles in this area and the fact they didn't need to really bother with decent sources before makes a lot of articles sitting ducks. It's really good to see some of these getting actually decently sourced so that we can make informed decisions about which ones should actually stay. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi The Drover's Wife! I'm also concerned about that, but, I'm struggling with some articles - here are three I was working on last night and frankly, I think they should/could be nominated for AfD: Robert Bullock (actor), Lauren Brice and Roxanne Blaze. I'm concerned Midori will be deleted, despite my efforts. I disagree that interview websites are not considered reliable secondary sources, but I'm a staunch supporter of using oral history in the best ways. (I wouldn't have Wadsworth Jarrell or Louise Nevelson as GAs if I didn't use oral history). Anyway, what do you think about those three? Should we nominate them? I even searched with their pseudonyms and failed to find anything substantial. As with anything, winning an AVN award is not instant inclusion. Missvain (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I think it's really challenging with some of the pre-digital era people in particular because Google's seeming pretty useless in turning up stuff, even with people who've clearly attained prominence that would absolutely lead to fine coverage in reliable sources were they doing anything else. (It really frustrates me at times like this that newspapers.com can't filter out ads.) I think Blaze should be nominated regardless and I don't really see an alternative to deleting Bullock or Brice because there's just absolutely bugger all that I can find online, even though I think it's likely that sources exist for at least Brice somewhere were someone to have the right ones handy. The Drover's Wife (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Ok, I'll give it a shot with Blaze. I'm adding a "women's pornography archive" which documents oral history and biographical information about these women to my to do list, along with 23848343824 projects... we'll see what happens next. I concur about Newspapers.com! I'd LOVE to see a filter for ads - it's just exhausting!! Missvain (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Do you have access to the journal Porn Studies by any chance? I've never read it but I wonder if some articles in it might have useful reference somewhere to some of these pre-internet age people that are proving a bastard to source regardless of their then-prominence. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

The Drover's Wife - I don't think so, but you never know. I'll check it out. I just did an epic overhaul on Eric Edwards (actor) last night - what a fascinating guy. Well, his love life! Missvain (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Btw, I have requested access to Porn Studies through the Wikipedia Library. It's held in the Taylor & Francis Online resource. Fingers crossed. You can request access here: https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/. Missvain (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
I was originally gonna close that early myself, but I wasn't feeling very bold that day, and forgot I had the AfD open. Thanks! MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Ha! Glad I could help. Thanks for the cookie and your wiki work! Missvain (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if that's about this AFD, but thanks for trying to find RS, broadly construed. It's odd to have tons of AVN + similar award articles, but to delete not excessively obscure winner BLPs, resulting in red links, depending on how the closing admin handles this. For a suicide such as d:Q3621587 it's sad. –84.46.53.255 (talk) 02:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Anita Mahfood

This performer is quite notable and her story tragic. I would be happy to have help with it if you can perhaps pass it on to the Red project members? Thanks. And thanks for all your help with drafts and AfC submissions. Wow!!!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jane Blaffer Owen

This woman's entry was recently declined. The Sachem Award is the highest honor awarded in the state of Indiana. Her contributions to art and the resettlement of a historic community make her very notable to my eyes. Not sure if her book was reviewed? Any help most welcome. FloridaArmy (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Alison Lang

Hi Missvain. Thanks for your bold-ness on this AfD. Much appreciated. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

My pleasure :) Missvain (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Warsangali Sultanate

I don't understand the logic of your edits removing this link. Since redlinks are not errors, what is the basis? Yes, I know the article was deleted (by you) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warsangali Sultanate, but you are leaving the text "Warsangali Sultanate" in place, so presumably you did not interpret the AFD to have concluded that the Warsangali Sultanate did not exist. So why remove the redlinks? If you took the AFD to have concluded that there is insufficient sourcing to build an article at this time, why assume that mentions of the Warsangali Sultanate in other articles are well sourced? I just find it strange. I missed the AFD because it was only ever listed at Somalia-related deletion discussions. Srnec (talk) 00:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Over 400 pages were linked regarding the subject. My personal opinion on the existence of the Sultante is irrelevant - I'm sure it did exist, and that doesn't mean it can't be written about and mentioned in other articles. You are of course welcome to contest the deletion, I'm indifferent and will recuse. I read through the responses of the reviewers and acted accordingly based on the general review of the subject. Missvain (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States presidential firsts

Hi, was wondering if you could please provide a further explanation to why you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States presidential firsts as keep? I know the keeps had the numbers slightly, but I thought some of the keep !votes were quite weak and was surprised to see this as a keep and not a no consensus. Adding a rationale for the close will be helpful when this gets reviewed in the future. Thanks! SportingFlyer T·C 00:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I think they're encyclopedically fascinating and I'm with Lightburst on this one - the article needs good editing to clean out the cruft and lists like this are valuable - maybe not to everyone, but to many of us, they are. Missvain (talk) 06:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate your response, but your response comes off as a WP:SUPERVOTE as I was hoping for more of a discussion of consensus. Would you terribly mind undoing your close, !voting keep, and letting another administrator close out the AfD? SportingFlyer T·C 06:32, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem. Missvain (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • To be honest, I think you made the wrong call in relisting. There's certainly no consensus to delete, and most of the delete votes zero in on specific entries rather than the whole list. pbp 16:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • It's actually a very classy move on Missvain's part to have relisted the article, and I really appreciate it. I don't expect the outcome to change by asking for the relist, but it's a difficult discussion, and if more of a keep consensus forms after the relist it'll be easier to accept a straight-up keep close. SportingFlyer T·C 04:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connections-based learning

Did you mean to relist Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connections-based learning? There's an unambiguous consensus to delete and the only Keep !votes are the spammer who created it and two people he asked off-wiki to come and vote. Guy (help!) 23:13, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to see more conversation from reviewers beyond "Not notable" and "Promotional." No harm in that. There is never an urgency to close any AfD unless it is a BLP violation. Missvain (talk) 01:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Since you have also relisted an obvious-ish AfD I created, WP:Articles for deletion/Data Ladder, I am now wondering how have you managed to make the decision to relist WP:Articles for deletion/Connections-based learning within 25 seconds from the previous one? Edible Melon (talk · contribs · block user) 01:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't take much time. I like to ensure - like many reviewers - that all articles have a chance to be reviewed by as many eyes as possible, especially regular contributors to AfD. There isn't a time constraint on when something needs to be closed. Missvain (talk) 01:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
"It doesn't take much time" -- it definitely doesn't take much time to relist a discussion with 11 delete votes, a keep vote from who claims to be the creator and inventor and two SPA keep votes. How many eyes of regular AfD contributors are enough? Besides, the comment you have now made at the AfD (quoting: "Because there is clearly a high urgency for this to be closed by lots of very worried editors LOL") seems to be a personal attack. Edible Melon (talk · contribs · block user) 02:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
My apologies if you think it is a personal attack. It is not. There were three people who brought up concern about me relisting it. Sometimes processes just make me chuckle on Wikipedia and if I don't have a sense of humor, I would have quit 14 years ago. Thanks for all your contributions. Missvain (talk) 02:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

AFD

Please reconsider your close here as no one voted keep, which means it should have been soft deleted particularly in light of the fact that most of the sources aren't actually independent of either. I'd also strongly consider this an WP:INVOLVED action as you voted strongly here which is inseparable from these two articles. Praxidicae (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by. I've reverted the close. Cheers. Missvain (talk) 18:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the shout-out in the AfD close. That was most unexpected. :D sixtynine • whaddya want? • 18:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for participating in AfD!! :) Missvain (talk) 18:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Nigel Thatch

Greetings! Thanks so much for your help. Anita Mahfood in particular is a meaningful one for me and I know I didn't contribute a lot to it.

I started a draft on this notable actor and discovered the subject was deleted years ago at AfD. Could you or one of your talkpage followerw please restore it to main space with an inder construction tag or to draft space so I can work on it? The AfD closer has been indefinitrly blocked or I would ask them. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

My pleasure! I loved expanding that Anita article - sad story but important that she is now in our canon of world knowledge. Regarding Nigel - can you work on that in your sandbox before we consider "undeleting" the article? I'd like to look at it before we risk anything. Missvain (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
How about moving it to Draft:Nigel Thatch? FloridaArmy (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 Done Missvain (talk) 00:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the history got copied over? Anyway, not much there that I coukd see. I didn't use any of it. But here's my draft Draft:Nigél Thatch. Thanks for your help. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Oops, ok, check again at Draft:Nigel Thatch. You want me to check out your draft or wait? I'm surprised he was deleted. Geeze. Missvain (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

There wasn't much at the original draft and I didn't end up using any of it. My draft is at Draft:Nigél Thatch. You're more than welcome to review it of course. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Missvain (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Rumour has it you deleted a bunch of articles at AFD just as we hit 6 million. :-) ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Bwhahaha!! Thanks for the barnstar! Missvain (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Closing movie street awards

Hello, I'm wondering what your reason for closing an AfD where everyone had the delete viewpoint as a keep is. Thanks 331dot (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Oops, that was totally in error! Thanks two you! Missvain (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for your efforts. 331dot (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel J. Campana

Are you sure you didn't mean to close that as "no consensus?" Toddst1 (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I decided to relist it. This is what I get for not having a second cup of tea while reviewing articles this morning. Thanks again! Missvain (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Thumbs up icon Toddst1 (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Clarify Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth calendar

Hey Missvain. I was wondering if you could clarify your close message over on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth calendar.

The result was merge to Middle-earth calendar....

Isn't Middle-earth calendar the subject of the AfD itself? BenKuykendall (talk) 03:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Oops, that was a typo. I changed it to History of Arda, but feel free to merge into whatever everyone thinks is best. Missvain (talk) 03:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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 Done Missvain (talk) 15:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for recognizing good faith when you see it. Bearian (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Gosh, thanks Bearian! What a nice way to kick off the almost-weekend. Missvain (talk) 18:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Sammak

Hi Missvain. I have a question about your close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Sammak. My understanding is that soft delete closes are reserved for discussions that have attracted minimal participation. Since there was unanimous consensus among seven editors to delete this article (with the exception of the article creator), wouldn't a regular delete close be more appropriate in this case? Given the strong consensus to delete, this isn't like an expired PROD where anyone can request a refund of the article. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate it. Missvain (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying your closure. :) – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Drafts

Greetings Missvain. Would you mind having a look at a few drafts for me?

Have a great weekend. No urgency. Whenever you have the time and inclination. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thanks for your input at AfD. I haven't participated there as much as others have, so it's a bit harder for me to make decisions. I don't consider myself an inclusionist or a deletionist, but I do try to understand the deletion criteria and whether or not they apply to the article-in-question. You helped me do that in this case, and I really appreciate the replies and advice you gave me. Clovermoss (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Awe, thank you. I love brownies! You don't have to be an inclusionist or deletionist to participate - I am neither - I just don't think everything deserves an article and I think we also have a lot of work to do to make sure those everything that does deserve one, gets one. I try to do my due diligence and go from there - and you did just that in the review of that article. Good work!! Missvain (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Nice to hear that you like brownies. I like brownies, too. Also, thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it. That's another smile for today. :) Clovermoss (talk) 22:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for closing the Bryant article early. Neither the article or the AfD should have happened in the first place. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it was also just plain uncomfortable to read a stoic analysis about the subject. Really weird. Thanks for thanking me! Missvain (talk) 16:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

You've no idea how much difficult it was for me to not to template you for this —usernamekiran (talk) 11:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

LOL. There was a day this week where I clearly hadn't had enough cups of tea to be going through AfDs. Thanks for looking after me! Missvain (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
—usernamekiran (talk) 22:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I am not sure how WP:TRANSWIKI works exactly, but is it in call regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frazan Kotwal (2nd nomination)? —usernamekiran (talk) 17:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

oh I just found out it is now defunct, and marked as historical. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Could you please explain...

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gianna Bryant (2nd nomination) early, with the closure that said, in part: "Closing this now in the wake of her tragic death and the sensitivity of the subject."

I am perplexed by the early closure, and your justification for it.

Prior to the AFD Phibesfan wrote something in the same vein as you: " I also think that its in poor taste. It fetishizes the death of a teenager who wasn't yet a public figure, and adding more and more personal information on her may not be what the family wants."

I sought clarification as to whether there were specific passages that were in "poor taste" or that "fetishized" her death.

"Do you think it is possible to write about any recently deceased person in a way that is not in bad taste, that does not fetishize them? Can you point to any specific passages that you think are in bad taste? Can you point to any specific passages you think fetishized her death. So, presumably, if you can be specific about what seems fetishistic about this article, what seems in bad taste, it can be fixed. Unless you don't think we can ever write an article about a recently deceased person."

We are all volunteers here. Phibesfan doesn't have to reply. But, when they choose not to reply I think that I am entitled to feel that strongly eroded how seriously I needed to take the disrespectful concern.

Of course articles about the recently deceased should be written respectfully. I can't imagine in what way you thought the article lapsed in any way from our policies and traditions that it should have been written respectfully.

So, if you think there is a wikidocument that explains your comment, or a long-standing and well accepted agreement in a discussion, that explains your comment, I'd appreciate you drawing it to my attention.

Most of the respondents claimed Gianna was an instance of BLP1E. Frankly I thought I had clearly established BLP1E didn't apply. If your closure was based on counting those BLP1E !votes then I would appreciate you trying to explain why BLP1E does apply, after all. Geo Swan (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I closed it as a redirect. I edited my closing comments, since clearly you were uncomfortable with it. I agree that she does not qualify for a Wikipedia article and the "she's good at basketball" and trademark "events" are just passing instances that make a weak case for WP:BASIC let alone Wikipedia:SPORTBIO. Her mother would also have a Wikipedia article if passing mentions in TMZ and HuffPo were used to make the case. If you feel troubled about the early closure, then I am happy to re-open, however, I feel that it isn't necessary. Missvain (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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