User talk:Michael Goodyear/Archive 11

2016

Your GA nomination of Taxonomy of Liliaceae

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Harvc again

To get the completely correct formatting of the "in" citations at Lilioid monocots, as we've discussed before, the {{harvc}} template would have to be used, because of the refusal to allow |contribution= without |title= in any of the cite/citation templates. I don't have the energy (at present anyway). Sigh... Peter coxhead (talk) 21:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I know you are a great stickler for style - more than I, but unfortunately your changes as before left a sea of problems that will take a huge effort to fix. I will investigate your point further but it seemed to work fine before you changed it. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Botanist template

I had to return to the earlier version because the live one wasn't working correctly when used inline. My experience is that it can be very tricky to stop templates adding newlines; I think that somewhere among your added comments one slipped in. I suggest only updating the sandbox version and checking the testcases before going live. Have a look at Template:Botanist/testcases now, including the generated references. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I assure you I spent a lot of time testing before going live! Curious - I will take a peek. Yes i knew about the new line problem, but as you say, they can slip in. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js

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This has already been raised at User talk:Ucucha/HarvErrors#Unused anchors. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:55, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for tip off - responded there. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 22:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Amaryllidaceae Barnstar

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	For your amazing work on Amaryllidaceae and related articles. Your passion is very inspiring! MCEllis (talk) 02:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Taxon bar

I find it very odd that the most important source for monocots, namely WCSP, isn't included in the taxon bar template when it's added to articles like Habranthus. Can you explain the value of this template to me? I really can't see it. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I thought he said he was working on that - for the time being I am adding it to taxon pages if I am editing them, as a placeholder. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Unlike taxonids the others= function is not working at the moment. I added it as an external link. The problem presumab;y is that Wikidata does not use it. I sent a request to Wikidata. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, that seems the best that you can do for now. There's also eMonocot, of course, which has the potential to be even more useful. I continue to be bothered by the lack of botanical input to the decisions made at Wikidata.

On the subject of eMonocot, I'm glad to see that commonsense seems to have prevailed over the logo. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I put my name forward at Wikidata. Yes eMonocot has the potential to be quite useful (see links I placed on page) and continues to grow. What a kerfuffle! And they are a collaborative scientific organisation devoted to disseminating information. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 13:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

OK: emonocot and wcsp can now be added manually, e.g. {{taxonbar|emonocot=8637|wcsp=305346}} for Eithea --Michael Goodyear (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Good! Hopefully this will be automatic at some time. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lilioid monocots

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	I truly like your friendly demeanor and cooperative nature. I have collaborated with you quite a while ago on an article I find difficult to recall, but your nature is the same as it was - one of those sunshiny, tireless Wikipedians! Cheers! Sainsf <^>Talk all words 15:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Wow! yes - I recall it. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Do you recall which article it was? I would love to know. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 16:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Hippeastrum, my first GA, which I hope to take to FA one day - still tweaking it --Michael Goodyear (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh yes! Don't wait to nominate it, it is in a great shape! Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 16:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Well let's get Lilioids done first - I have high (obsessive) standards !

Ping me any time you like once you get it ready, I have much FAC experience to get it through! Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 16:57, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Generally when working up an article, I like to make sure all the articles in which it fits contextually are up to date - so I am doing a general upgrade of all the Amaryllidaceae pages at present, before zeroing in. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:09, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

That is a new idea! I believe you should move on with it. Meanwhile, let me see if I can repair any issues with Hippeastrum... Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 02:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Referencing

Rather than add to what's supposed to be a side issue in the MOS talk, I thought I'd comment here. I was very enthusiastic about {{sfn}} and similar templates when I first found them, and gave up my earlier practice of

• putting <ref name=...>{{Harv ...}}</ref> in the text
• having a Bibliography for at least the main citations.

I'm wondering now if in a long article it might be better to:

• put <ref name=[id for ref + page/at]/> in the wikitext
• expand these to <ref name=...>{{Harv ...}}</ref> in list-defined references in a {{reflist}}
• have the full citations in a Bibliography.

This would seem to avoid the creation of long sfn's once there's a need for URLs, which is generally the case with pages of old documents at the BHL, for example.

I often get caught by old journal articles; these were regularly much longer than today, so I want to give a URL to a section, but {{cite journal}} doesn't allow any level below title – you can't have a contribution as in a book. I'm still not sure of the best way to handle such cases. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes perhaps better not to add to that! I am always experimenting but there currently is no "best way" unless one of us designs one. I recall at one stage you were enthusiastic about putting everything into a tided alphabetised reflinks= format. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I think it depends on the article length and complexity. For short articles where a reference isn't re-used many times at different pages/sections, I think that alphabetically ordered list-defined references work well. They don't work well for long articles with multiple use of the same source, as in the current version of Lilioid monocots. But then neither does {{sfn}}.

All this is, of course, secondary; writing a great article is the most important! I'm sure that Lilioid monocots is now at least GA. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Apparently it is well on its way - will keep you posted --Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I tried that in Gethyllis (ref 1) - it has to be harvnb --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Now Gethyllidinae is the first complete page written from scratch using this compromise style - but it is more work. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 15:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lilioid monocots

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Women's health

I have removed part of your addition to the above article, as it appears to have been directly copied from http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs110/en/, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I may have made a mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 20:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I assure it most certainly was not copied! It was written as a distillate of numerous related sources. In fact I have not looked at your alleged source for some time, or it would have been cited. Please revert ASAP. The article is the subject of a telephone conference next week. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 11:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Accidental incorporation of text from source during browser crash detected and removed! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Wow - I'm used to waiting several months! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 20:04, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

First instincts were correct - this was an error! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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Women's health

I am eager to help edit this article in such a way that it could become a good article. I am completely unfamiliar with this type of referencing and have never used it at all. I don't know where to go from here. Is it possible to get up to speed on this style of referencing to improve this article in a timely manner? Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 20:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hullo Barbara, which particular part of the referencing style are you referring to? At the moment I am changing some of the referencing because there are just so many pages within the websites of groups like WHO and CDC that it starts to look a little clumsy in the bibliography. Those additional web pages are being gradually replaced with <ref name=name> to simplify them. Otherwise it uses a classified bibliography linked to short footnotes (sfn). The aim is to avoid cluttering the wikitext with complicated reference tags, particularly urls.

Also what parts of the article are you particularly interested in? At present I am working on child marriage. Where possible I am trying to tie the next into UN MDGs and SDGs, since I have a background in international and sustainable health.--Michael Goodyear (talk) 20:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Women's health

Michael, I've almost completed the GA review of this article, but a couple of images need attention. I think you didn't get pinged by the GA bot as there's already a premature notice for this article above, so I'm simulating the bot as best I can... All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Yikes! No I didn't - I thought we had fixed that. I had no idea you were onto this. I had better make it my top priority! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 21:54, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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Taxonomy: Pelargonium zonale (Geraniaceae)

Hi Michael, i made this macro stacked image of Pelargonium zonale (Geraniaceae). Looking inside, there are also derived by colors, foliage, size. Size of this flower is 25 mm in diameter, petal is around 2,5 mm (around 5-6 mm tall). Could you help me with taxonomy to select which Zonal is it. --PetarM (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Nice image but you cannot classify it just by looking at the flower. Where did you find it? --Michael Goodyear (talk) 23:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Michael Goodyear its in Botanical Garden, Slovenia. All what was there is Pelargonium zonale (Geraniaceae) sign, and one student to keep the place, and he would know more than that. Yeah, hard to get image, but even harder to put subspecie... so will left as P. Zonale. --PetarM (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Women's health

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Rossiniana

Dear Michael - I see you've helped out with formatting the Rossini bibliography in the past. I'm unsure how best to reference different chapters (several potential good RS :-) from The Cambridge Companion to Rossini, and I wondered if you might like to set the ball rolling. For example, strictly speaking I should be sourcing the statement in the lead beginning "A return to Paris from Italy in 1855 was followed by better health..." and Richard Osborne's chapter on Rossini's life would do the trick. I'm not sure what the most reader-friendly approach is...

May I also CONGRATULATE you on improving Women's health?! A much-needed and highly relevant expansion, imo. [1]

Best wishes, Robin 86.190.132.143 (talk) 23:12, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank's Robin, Women's Health was a labour of love, and badly needed. Rossini was a long time ago - I will take a peek.

I put Senici in refs and fixed the editor name Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I started your ball - see how I separated the chapters - it looks a bit rough but adding further chapters would sort that out --Michael Goodyear (talk) 04:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)