User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 49

Persianate society

The article's neutrality is under question. As you already commented on the talk page, it contains unverified claims and it's turning out to be of original research. You're cordially invited to comment on the article. Regards. E104421 11:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your quick response Mel Etitis, I was wondering why exactly the link seemed not to be contributing to the article. As far as it stands wikipedia just links to linklists and/or portals on the "Digital Art" page. Why leave out sites like Rhizome.org?

quiz tv entry

Hi there, I saw you cleaned up the entry for the Great Big British Quiz. I think perhaps the Quiz tv one needs it too. I was going to try but I am not really experienced yet at editing and am not really sure yet 100% what meets wikipedia criteria. I don't want to tread on anyone's feet. Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hotmann (talk • contribs) 05:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

request

Could you look into the unblock request on my user talk page? I've now by-passed the campus proxy which got auto-blocked. But the indef block of Mcderg stops account creation, which I presume must be done at the IP level. In which case, ANU is basically shut down. You are a randomly selected admin off the RC list for this request. I emailed Alphachimp and Radiant! but nothing happened, so I assume they don't have email open. Thanks. Derex 10:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it. It seems to me like a rather big deal to shut down a major university proxy. But I can't get any of the 4 admins I've contacted to even acknowledge the issue. Or if someone would check the unblock requests. You've made several edits since my request of 30 minutes ago. If you can't fix it, fine; but take two seconds to say so. I personally don't have a stake, because I have sufficient privileges to route around the proxy. But, not everyone has that luxury. Whatever, I'm going home. Derex 11:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Just above it on my page was a cut-n-paste of exactly the block message that appeared. I have just now confirmed that it still appears when I go through the ANU proxy. I have absolutely no information beyond what the message says. If it's not accurate, then the software is broken. Regards, Derex 11:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The message says it's caused somehow by the block on User:Mcderg. I've emailed alphachimp, and radiant, before I remembered I could get around the proxy. I don't think either of them are still around anyway. I imagine Rebecca will straighten it out when she logs on next. Derex 11:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Stillwater Area High School

Well, you could say the same thing. For a couple of days here you simply reverted without explanation or a rebuttal of any sort. I still maintain that as an administrator and allegedly "dedicated Wikipedian" you owe it to try and improve the sections that you personally find questionable. And may I also point out that you are still the only person ever to take issue with this article. On a side note, can I ask where I can request a mediation for the page? It is painfully obvious that you are not at all a neutral administrator in this matter, as you have taken this to a personal level I have never seen before on Wikipedia, and I feel it would be best to have a third party take a look at the article and deem it appropriate or not. Actions like yours are, in my opinion, unacceptable for an administrator.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY MY CHRIS ENGLER ARTICLE WAS DELETED. I WROTE THE ENTIRE THING, MENTIONED ALL THE TEAMS IN THE NBA THAT HE PLAYED FOR, LISTED CAREER STATS, HIS COLLEGE CAREER SUMMARY, AND YOU STILL ALLEGE THAT IT WAS NON-NOTABLE. NBA. NBA. NBA. NBA. NBA. How many times do I have to tell you, he was in the NBA, the article was well sourced, yet you continue you rampant administrator power abuse to help take this personal feud you seem to have with me and delete yet another article of my work.

Mientkiewicz5508 12:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

1. As I've said numerous times, in the United States (which is where this school is located) there is a great deal of emphasis placed on High School sports. This school has quite a bit of history, being among the first high schools in the state to be established, and is widely known for its sporting programs. Being from a country outside the United States, I imagine you aren't exposed to the high popularity of high school sports, thus you have no reason to see them relevant. Let me assure you that they are. There are entire web sites, periodicals, and sections of newspapers devoted to high school athletics, and are VERY relevant.

2. The National Basketball Association is the highest level of professional basketball in the entire world. For someone to play in the Association means they are among the best players in the world, and thus are relevant. Is there some way to undo the deletion? I can't seem to find the deletion anywhere, as you rudely deleted the article without so much as an "article for speedy deletion" warning or anything of the sort.

I once again ask you if there is a third party that can be brought in to deem whether the article's inclusion of a sports summary section is relevant or not. You blatantly ignored my first request, so I shall ask you again. Keep in mind that there is an OUTSIDE POSSIBILITY that you are not entirely correct in this matter. You are extremely narrow minded and have a very clear contempt and IGNORANCE for American Sports. By ruthlessly deleting sections of articles in which you have ZERO expertise, you are portraying poor judgment as an administrator. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mientkiewicz5508 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

After reviewing Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools, I have found no evidence in the entire article that condemns any of the athletic summaries in the article. Now if you care to present some more compelling arguments, that'd be great.

Also, I will continue to ask where I can get a third party to mediate this as you seem unable to do so with any neutrality.

As for Engler, you have yet to respond to the fact that I listed he is an NBA player, and was listed as such, thus making your deletion absolutely unnecessary. Is there any way to revert your blatant deletion? And I will ask YET again where I can find a third party to mediate.

And I will quote your very own userpage that completely contradicts your deletion of Chris Engler's article, which I would still like to be overturned. The most significant area is people, though: whilst the smallest village in the U.S. has its own page, with full and tedious census details, let someone add an article about an academic, actor, writer, etc., who isn't widely known and acknowledged, and a pack of editors appear, yapping that the person isn't ‘notable’. Leave aside the inconsistency for a moment; many of those who are claimed to be non-notable by this Afd-pack are known to and have affected more people than all the nay-sayers put together (one sometimes wonders if that isn't the problem).

"The Atheism Tapes"

Have a look at the article - there's nothing there, just an outline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Otterpops (talk • contribs) 15:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

Nandamuri Balakrishna

So you find the necessity to block me as opposed to the person who raves about Balakrishna (I'm a Balakrishna fan too). I actually brought that page to some worth and reverted many hate edits and fan cruft. Do you think I'm lying ? He was "Treated" for Mental Illness after the shooting incident. So in your perspective saying he broke blockbuster records is better suited for Trivia ? I've asked you several times about the NPOV tag on the Kamma page only to be left without an answer. In regards to your comments on brave and valiant fighters, I'm assuming it's taking an Andhrite or even a Hindu POV there. --Milki 03:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Electronic Ticket

Sorry about that, I thought I caught everything on that one; I shall adopt a personal policy of reading over the entire article at least twice, if nor more, to be sure I comb out all of the errors that might be there. Thanks for bringing that to my attention, though. And I will keep the unreferenced template's location in mind the next time I add one. In addition, I do believe you caught the remaining errors. I do hope you have a most wonderful day, and happy editing! Kyra_~(talk) 10:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

shea high school

i dont understand why my old high school is being targeted for deletion? there are thousands of schools on here. i mean there is a high school stub made for wikipedia, so why is i being deleted? not every high school has notablility in their article, their part of wikipedia because of the high school stub. whats the point if it stays or gets deleted...? what do i do to fight this? Mcoop06 13:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

your days are over. God will punish you in seven days

Vishal1976 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.211.243.207 (talk) 09:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

"your days are over" -- Yes, that's right, it's night-time now in roughly half the world. Days are over at sunset, and start again at sunrise. This was a very perceptive chronological observation on your part, and I commend you for it. Now, for extra credit, can you explain why the days are shorter in winter and longer in summer? Feel free to use scratch paper while preparing your answer.

"God will punish you in seven days" -- Another remarkable deduction, this time from the calendar. Yes, in seven days it will once again be Wednesday, the dreaded tiresome "Hump Day" when last weekend's rest is too far behind and next weekend's rest is too far ahead. No wonder it's such a terrible threat to "kick someone into the middle of next week"! -- Ben 11:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)    AIV Report -- Ben 17:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of "Protocol..." Discussion Comment

Mel, I don't know what your motivation is for deleting my comments in the discussion section of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" but it is an inappropriate deletion. You didn't even bother to leave some info on my talk page as to what was your reasoning. You should have enough respect for a fellow member to explain your actions.

My comments are an analysis of the "Protocols" themselves, coupled with the current state of affairs as compared to the aims of the "Protocols", a basis upon which to analyize the portion of the "Protocols" that the article leaves out, and correction of the article where it incorrectly labels certain topics of the "Protocols".

I think that my comments are very well justified and helpful to the improvement of the article. Also, I do not suggest that there is some Jewish conspiracy or that the "Protocols" are authentic in any way. My point is that someone or some group came up with a bunch of ideas on how to destroy a society and blamed it on some kind of Jewish conspiracy. They wrote it down on paper and, as it turns out, their strategies are rather prophetic since much of their ideas have come true.

So, my comments not only analyize the "Protocols" but they also explore how these strategies have come ture. And, my comments point out deficiencies in the original article that need to be addressed, which include incorrect titling and a lack of discussion with all the chapters of the "Protocols".

If you have some valid reason for the deletion, please have the courtesy to explain your reasoning and post it on my Talk Page. If you are still intent on deleting my comments, then I suggest mediation (WT:M). Jtpaladin 19:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Mel, it's easy to merely call them personal opinions but if you can look at each item and tell me which one you disagree with, then you'll find that it is fact rather than opinion. I can supply independent citations to support each one, can you provide citations to the contrary? Jtpaladin 16:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your final comment on LarryCurlyAndJesus's username.

To explain the reasoning that I at least was using to find his name offensive: Jesus is not in itself a religious name, but the user himself confirmed that it was an intentional reference. This means that within his name, Jesus is being used to mean Jesus Christ. This makes his name into a joke in which Jesus Christ is called a Stooge, which is an insult to a religious figure, offensive, and should be disallowed. --tjstrf talk 23:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I was typing this as the section was closed and deleted:

• Your point is not missed, Mel. I disagree with respect to whether Jesus = John, Mark, or Peter in terms of names in the modern world. The name of Jesus has a colloquial significance associated with it that the others do not. I'd have voted disallow for MoeLarryAndMuhammad on the same reasoning that I provided above, despite the commonness of that name. This user's behavior, while at times distasteful, did not affect my vote. -- Scientizzle 23:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a little self-tooting my horn

I was allowed to stand with the obnoxious paparazzi ("Who do you photograph for?" "Wikipedia." "Oh, Wikipedia...do you have some kind of card or anything?" "Not really...." "Okay, go ahead.") and photograph Angela Bassett and her husband Courtney Vance - I am pretty happy about the results, and had to share them. Check out their pages. Dave --DavidShankBone 01:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

My Signature

WEll, since my signature ♥Smartie960♥ (Chatter Box) 23:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC) was unreadable in the discussion of signatures Wikipedia:Signatures I changed the colors. see above.

X Japan reunion again

Cyrus have deleted again the reunion thing, when there's hundred of Japanese newspapers sites talking about it, Toshi (their vocalist) official site, etc. Can you check that again, please? Thanks. Darkcat21 12:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter M Dodge

Hi. I just stumbled over this and wondered how the deleted paragraph amounts to a personal attack? There's nothing like name-calling in it. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I don't recognize anything "insulting or disparaging", nor any "accusations" made by Peter M Dodge. Did it occur to you that Durin may have a reason to hide this diff? Just my 2 cents. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't say it better than Mr Darcy [1]. I still do not see any compelling reason to simply delete the section. I don't like it, but it's none of my business. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

"|date=" vs "|"

The {{cn}} template works perfectly well with the date given plain, e.g.: {{cn|March 2007}} ; for some reason the Bot is changing this to {{cn|date=March 2007}}. It may not be a huge problem, but it seems to be rather a waste of time, and clogs up my (and presumably others') Watchlist. (The same applies to {{fact}}, and possibly others.) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 15:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

{{cn}} is a redirect to {{fact}}. With a plain date the argument is "thrown away", with "date=" it affects the cleanup category. Conversely, {{wikify}} only "works" with a plain date (although I have been thinking about making it accept "date=" as well). Best wishes, Rich Farmbrough, 16:40 3 March 2007 (GMT).

P.S. you can ask your watch-list not to display bots, should you so desire. Rich Farmbrough, 16:40 3 March 2007 (GMT).

hey...

im what did i do wrong??? 0_0

You left an obscurely written message with no indication as to who you are or what you're talking about. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

shea high school

ohh my fault i didnt realize i was vandalizing it. usually i see that source template at the top of pages so i thought someone might of put it down there by accident or what not. im not trying to vandalize anything. i like wikipedia and i would never want to be blocked. i think i have made many useful contributions to this website and i would never want to jeprodize that. thanks for letting me know that. it will NOT happen again, as i am still learning. thanks, Mcoop06 10:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

i did not remove your message. i simply moved it to my Archive section. Mcoop06 10:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

ok. Mcoop06 10:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis, I appreciate your efforts in protecting the article Kamma (Caste). I made some changes to improve the article and enumerated these changes in 'Discussion'. I also appealed to you not to reverse these changes. But, you reverted all the changes I did. I request you not to reverse the changes before consulting 'Discussion' page.--Kumarrao March 4, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumarrao (talk • contribs) 10:53, 4 March 2007

Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis, I understand the problem. I am yet to understand the complete procedures and guidelines of Wikipedia. The recent changes done in Kamma (caste) were all in good spirit and these were done after careful study of some historical books (I included these web references which you deleted). Please revert the article back to the changed version.Kumarrao 11:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)Kumarrao

Worldtraveller

Worldtraveller blocked? Can you believe it. He was simply criticising the overzealous actions of an admin, and bingo. Incredible. edward (buckner) 13:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Children of the Sun (game)

Just noticed that you commented out the section on Dieselpunk. While I certainly think that section is an ugly 'growth' on the article, it was actually merged here, as the result of an AfD, if I recall correctly. I'd like to hear your opinion, knowing that: do you think it could/should be removed altogether? --InShaneee 21:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

An excellent idea! So long as the Steampunk people have no objections, this seems ideal. Now, I just have to buckle down and expand the Children article once and for all! :) --InShaneee 22:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

shea

hey i just wanted to let you know i have begun citing sources on the shea high school article that i have created. Mcoop06 02:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

do u have any written authoritative record to proove that the population of reddys is around 25 to 35 %

do u have any written record to proove that the population of reddys is around 25 to 35% .I am of the opinion that it is around 10 to 15 % and also why are u bent on writing that reddys is a shudra caste.As it is a fact that reddys do not constitute an ethnic group and it has been formed by people from all walks of life.Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.77.7.2 (talk) 05:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

About merging the 2 "Brian Jones presents The Master Musicians" pages

Mel,

This issue is quite contentious, with a long history of acrimony, mutual accusations of theft, violence, etc. in meatspace. The problem is that the "Master Musicians of J" broke into two factions around 1980 (not sure about the date). One faction continued with the original manager/promotor/guide, Mohamed Hamri, and the other went under the leadership of Bachir Attar. Suffice it to say that the Bachir Attar faction (distinguished by the use of the "Jajouka" spelling) seems to wish to deny the legitimacy (nay the existence) of the other faction (distinguished by the use of the "Joujouka" spelling). For example, the re-release of the Brian Jones album was the work of the Jajouka/Bachir Attar faction and removed all references to Hamri, including his original cover art. (I have heard comments that the tracks are slightly different too, but I'm not in a position to comment on that.) The issue of where the royalties from the re-issue are going is also in dispute.

It was decided to allow the two pages to split as the most pacific solution to the problem. You may disagree, of course. Jonur 09:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Misra Article

1. If you bothered to check either the Penguin website or a reputable bookseller like Blackwells you would know that the Penguin History has not yet been published. I do not know how to provide a link to prove that something has not yet happened, but how about this http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/jsp/display_product_info.jsp?isbn=9780713993677 ?

2. As the Bibliography in the article itself shows, Dr Misra has published an Oxford Historical Monograph so the forthcoming Penguin is not her 'one book'

3. I thought Wikipedia articles were supposed to have a neutral point of view; surely that can hardly be said of the sentence, 'She concentrates on her media work rather than pursuing any serious academic career (as evidenced by her extremely sparse CV) and engages a media agent.' Since when has been a University Lecturer in the University of Oxford and a Fellow and Tutor not been 'a serious academic career'? If you have really lived and worked in Oxford for twenty years you should know that publication is not the only measure of academic seriousness.

4. I did provide a link to the THES, but you have deleted this too. But just in case you are really interested in providing an unbiased, complete and helpful entry here it is again http://www.thes.co.uk/search/search_results.aspx?search=misra&mode=archive&searchYear=&searchMonth=&x=32&y=3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.18.228.162 (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Misra Entry Again

You have an incredibly partial notion of what constitutes an 'academic career' . Your equation of 'academic work' with 'publications' is the problem. There is far more to being an academic than publishing; perhaps most particularly teaching. Just maintaining the day-to-day work of a UL and College Fellow is hard work in itself. Some people think (judging by the number of applicants for every post, their quality and seniority) just being (and doing the work of) a UL and College Fellow is pretty near the height of an academic career.

What you have written is not factual, not neutral and indeed rather insulting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.18.228.162 (talk) 12:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis. Thank you. I give below explanations for the changes I made in Kamma (caste) 1. First paragraph indicates that Kamma population exists in Karnataka. The second sentence repeats this fact. So, the second sentence was deleted. 2. 'history' was edited as 'History' 3. Origin of caste: A presumption about the common origin of Kamma, Telaga, Velama, Kapu castes was deleted because it lacks proof. 4. A negative statement about prevailing social strife between two communities was deleted. 5. Kammas & Kakatiyas: The word 'Martyrs' was replced by 'perished'. 6. Kammas & Vijayanagar empire: The statement about Viswanatha Nayudu was false. Historical evidence shows that he belonged to Balija community (http://www.archive.org/details/FurtherSourcesOfVijayanagaraHistory). 7. The description of Vasireddy clan didnot fit well into the section on Kammas & Vijayanagar empire. A separate sub-head was created for that. 8. Modern history: The material was only rearranged to make it more readable and concerted. Nothing was deleted. 9. Surnames: 'Rao', a common title was added. 10.Sub-divisions: The categories 4 and 5 appeared similar. Clear distinction was made by adding the exact places where Gandikota kammas migrated.

You may now revert the article to "Revision as of 10:41, 4 March 2007". I shall add the sources at appropriate places after you revert the material.Kumarrao 13:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Etitis, The point about viswantha nayudu was deleted because it is wong information Viswanatha Nayaka was a Balija along with the following proof there are other proofs posted in the Discussion page from Cambirdge University articles etc.. Please accpet these changes and dont revert them.

http://www.archive.org/details/FurtherSourcesOfVijayanagaraHistory] [http://ia300234.us.archive.org/0/items/FurtherSourcesOfVijayanagaraHistory/HTML/00000190.htm --Panel1

Boston

Hi Mel, I thought you may, or may not, like to add your thoughts to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion on this subject. SMeeds 15:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Misra entry again

Let's look at the sentence again:

'She concentrates on her media work rather than pursuing a serious academic career (as evidenced by her extremely sparse cv), and engages a media agent.'

Your opinion is that academic success equates to lots of publications. This is simply an opinion, not a statement of fact and is certainly not a neutral point of view according to the lights of Wikipedia policy. In any case it does not speak to the sentence at issue which says MM is 'not pursuing a serious academic career'. In that she is the holder of a full-time, permanent and pensionable job at one of the two most prestigious universities in the country and (according to The Times Higher Education Supplement one of the three best universities in the world surely in itself constitutes 'a serious academic career'. Whatever backstairs gossip you have heard or what I know is not relevant, and certainly doesn't qualify under the publicly verifiable policy either.

The reason I assumed that you had written the sentence is that you have taken such pains to defend it when it is clearly just a snide and thinly veiled personal attack.

Incidentally why have the two quotations at the end of the entry been allowed to stand when there is no source when you were so eager to cut my very gentle amendations? Could it be that they serve a greater agenda of criticising and demeaning Dr Misra, here by holding her up to ridicule?

one last try re Misra

I think you need to think a bit more carefully about the words, really.

1. the word in the offensive sentence is 'career' (not as you insist on saying 'success'); a career is about the jobs you have. MM's 'career' is therefore so far in fact very successful.

2. 'academic' means 'of or pertaining to the academy'; someone in an academic post is expected to teach students, help keep the show on the road and to research and publish; it is not just a synomyn for 'publish'

3. 'rather than' suggests causation, for which you have no evidence

4. 'extremely sparse' is a value judgement (on unreferenced and unverifiable) grounds. What by a neutral pov and verifiable criteria would constitute 'merly sparse'? What 'satisfactory'? In any case, all measures of academic success (including the RAE and peer reputation) take into account quality as well as quantity so you can't simply count publications.

I just don't see why you are so devoted to a form of words which is not elegant, not very well-informed, somewhat inaccurate, hostile and potentially downright hurtful.

What I wrote on Saturday preserved the facts without the value judgements. I thought the whole point of Wikipedia was to leave the values judgement to the reader while providing them with the facts,

But enough of this. Proverbs 26:4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.18.228.162 (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

User:Curiouscdngeorge

Hi Mel. Thanks for taking the time to read my post. Like I said on AN/I, though, it seems the user has taken on a new username (Curious2george). The commenting style is the same, so what if he doesn't return to his old account? Will the page stay up forever? Xiner (talk, email) 19:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You handled the situation better than I would have - I learned something today. Thank you. Xiner (talk, email) 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the para in the article reddy about reddys being a wealthy shudra caste is not authentic

mel,reddys being a wealthy sudra caste isnt authentic.reddys havent grown to prominence in 20th centure.they have been in prominent positions since a thousand years ,only recently many poor farmers especially of the kapu caste have been sporting that reddy caste name.about 2/3 of the people who have their caste name as reddy were not called reddy's a couple of generations ago.it was only after independence did this process begin.according to the government census.reddys were just 6% of the population in 1989 and now there are around 12 to 15% what do u think is the reason it is because of the dilution of the reddy caste.for example the gudati subcaste people were never called reddy's a couple of generations ago.they were called kapus in the village and they never sported the reddy subcaste.the title was reserved only for the dora's,patels who usually belonged to motati's/deshmukh's/pantareddies .gudati's traditions and lifestyles are much different from the motati/deshmukh culture ,the latter being more sophisticated ,learned and better positioned in the society .it is only now owing to democracy and urbanisation many people are taking the reddy tag for a respectable position in the society .this gives an impression that reddys are kapu's etc,the traditions,language,clothing style of gudati's,pakanati's etc..were/are remarkably different from the motati's/deshmukhs.It is a well known fact in ap that anybody and everybody have started sporting this title for prestige. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.77.7.2 (talk) 22:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

So what is your definition of standard English?

If neither a style manual accepting it, nor the fact that it is predominant usage are controlling, then what, pray tell, determines "standard English"? The whims of User:Mel Etitis? --Delirium 22:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You have no grounds without consensus for insisting on the move yourself, as you have adduced no evidence of its being standard usage, and the general principle in borderline and disputed cases is to leave it at the location chosen by the article's initial author. --Delirium 22:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

reddys as shudras is non authentic

Dear mr.Etitis.writing reddys exclusively as shudras and not mentioning shudra in any other caste like kapu/velama/kamma who supposedly have same origin according to thurston is demeaning and insulting to the caste.I am sure that reddys are not sudras ,Iam changing the history part of reddys .of reddys being wealthy shudras to reddys being wealthy kshatriya/sudras.

Elizabeth College, Guernsey

One person's "intermediate good-faith edits" is another person's vandalism. You removed large chunks of content from this article for no apparent reason - it conformed to wikipedia's standards of neutral pov, verifiable, etc etc. If you want to make such sweeping edits, would it not be an idea to at least propose it on the talk page first? footie 00:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - I misread the history log - your tidy up of language makes it a better article footie 12:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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reddys being sudras is not correct

Dear mr.etitis,I have changed reddy from a shudra to kshatriya/sudra caste .As reddys being totally a sudra community is non authentic.pls do not revert my changes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.77.7.2 (talk) 13:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

sup wass da matter

"Attitudes" ...what a blessing !

I was forunate enough to see your name in the Jimbo talk pages adventure, going on right now; I am not much of a user here, albeit I simply confess to accumulating opinions about nearly everything and I must jettison them to someone.! I spoke up; wrote, so to speak, in the public forum and I saw something as it relates to Philosphy...your name (or at least a link to you,) included. Suffice it to say, I read your "attitudes" and was thrilled about said topic's content, from the very start. I am a grateful recovering everything, and I am especially grateful to still have eyes and a speck of a brain that can comprehend true wisdom, not just the garden variety "smarts." Press on; thank you for sharing your worlds. Lee Nysted. Lee Nysted 21:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Reddys being sudras is not correct

Dear Mr.Etitis ,Reddys being sudras is not correct.They are a miix of kshatriyas/sudras.I have authentic data to proove that fact.I have changed sudra to kshatriya/sudra.Pls do not revert my changes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.3.151.138 (talk) 23:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

{{sprotection}}

When semi-protection has a time-limit, the sprotection template shouldn't be added. (I don't actually know why, but that's what the sprotect page says.) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

And the description at the template itself gives us a third option, ha. (For semi-protections that expire...) Such is how this place works, I suppose. Thanks for the note. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 08:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

RfC on Korea history

I have filed a RfC on Korea history (talk · contribs). As someone who had warned him/her against edit warring previously, I am hoping that you would agree and certify the RfC as well. Please take a look and comment as necessary. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 18:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Meanwhile, though, I think the RfC needs another certification. Would you mind certifying it? --Nlu (talk) 19:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "punctuation"

Nevermind, I had not fully read what you had typed.

Reddy

Hello Sir.

You are reverting the edits to 'Reddy' over and over again for no reason. Super editor doesn't mean the right to preserve nonsense. Please get the facts right before reverting.

Up to you.

you might be interested...

I commented on your recent discussion with User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson in a comment I made to him today.

I just read your user page.

Let me congratulate you for stating, right up front, that you think administrators should continue to feel obliged to comply with the same wikipedia policies and procedures as other wikipedians. I find it very alarming how many administrators I encounter seem to think they no longer need to comply with WP:CIV...

Cheers! — Geo Swan 19:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis, You have not yet responded to my appeal made on March 5th for reversion. I shall do the changes again if you think it is OK.Kumarrao 06:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Str1977

Mel Etitis,

you are right in sayingt that I dispensed too often with the edit summary, though I see that this lack is very wide-spread in WP. Therefore I cannot really understand your crusade against my recent edits. (As for your post on my talk page, I thought this referred to one article. Please explain it better in other cases. I have no need for a pasted restatement of these rules.)

Be that as it may, I try to improve on this. However, I can't accept some of your recent reverting after I have provided an edit summary:

[2]: Ferdinand was not succeeded by that French gentleman, who was awarded this purely honorific title only in 1808. Ferdinand however gave up his claims in 1801 and died in 1808. After 1801, the territory was part of the various Italian sattelite states before it was annexed by France in 1808.

[3] I am sorry if you don't like the edit summary, but this case is really ridiculous. Not everyone reading about the Mad Hatter knows about Oxford Colleges and if read in a straightfoward, this looks like a place name. Thefore I added the info. I can only shake my head on your edit summaries (is that better than nothing?) - how was my addition "incorrect"? If I didn't word it in the best possible manner, why aren't you simply correcting it to a better wording?

[4] The whole article is unsourced and I, for my part, only reorganized the presentation of the information, including information from related articles. Why are you reverting my edit (which, I agree, is unsourced) to a version just as unsourced, but also substantially worse. I do not know which template you are talking about and frankly, I cannot fathom how a wrongly placed template justifies a blanket revert. Also, independ of the issue whether his mother was Duchess of Lucca in her own right and not just regent, he clearly was Duke of Lucca from 1814 to 1847 and not just in succession to his mother, therefore your version also included a clear factual error.

I am sorry if my restoring of valid edits breaks your copy-editing and MoS edits, but with your mixing these with your (IMHO unjustified reverts) I cannot (always) separate the two.

Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 15:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Mel, thanks for your message. I know all about but this, but, and this is my point, I merely stumbled across articles (all related to Parma) that seemed, one way or another, badly written. I tried to fix these problems by using the information already present. As I repeatedly stated, I did not introduce any new information, except from one of these articles to another. I don't see why I and my edits should be held accountable for that failure or why the article needs to stay bad. Please don't do that. If you can improve an article, please do so. If you don't understand the need for a change (as the Mad Hatter one) please don't just revert it, if you jhave no specific reason to object. If it is suboptimal, improve it. PS: I crossed out a passage in my post as the changes were made by another editor. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 15:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I will look into the talk page of Mad Hatter.

Also I have responded at Talk:Charles_II,_Duke_of_Parma. John K has posted there too.

If the problem is really annexed vs. integrated I am happy to retain annex.

As for style changes and blanket revert, both of us can insist on their position. But I think your preferred style edits could be better/easier made on the basis of "my text" than the other way around, especially since I don't know what the concerns are.

Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 16:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Messages from Jane Austen

What are you doin reverting my edit. WTF is wrong with you?! Craxy 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

On "Boys and the Hood" Craxy 19:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Viswanatha Nayaka surname was Garikepati and he was a Balija Wrong information

Hello Mel Etitis,

Please check the following links as the proof for Deleting the line from the Kamma Caste Article.And accept the changes. Iam going ahead and Deleting it once again.

*Pemmasani Viswanatha Nayudu proved his loyalty to Vitthala Raya by defeating his own father, Nagama Nayudu, who declared independence at Madurai, and later established the Nayak dynasty. The Pemmasani Kamma clan still has a Zamindari near Madurai called Neikarapatti. (See Nayaks of Madhura).

[5] [6] http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3680/is_199407/ai_n8723245] [7]

Regards Panel1

Minor

Hey Mel. Out of curiosity, which edit in particular concerned you? I usually try to follow this rule, but I must've screwed up. Khoikhoi 23:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Must've been Turco-Persian. Thanks for the reminder, but have you seen Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Adding "fact" tags to an article? Khoikhoi 03:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Conflict of interrest when blocking

Hi, even though you rightfully blocked User:John Kenney for his personal attack, a very "kind" block I have to say (I would have set the block length to at least 12 hours), do remember that it is discouraged to block users that you are in conflict with. I won't do anything more about this, I just wanted to remind you to keep your head cool. If you want to add anything to this, post here, I'll watch the page. – Elisson • T • C • 23:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[moved from User talk:Johan Elisson] Thanks for your message, I was hesitant about blocking, but discussions at WP:AN/I over the past few months have included a few similar cases, and the consensus (pretty well 100%, in fact) was that in blatant cases like this it's acceptable to block. The shortness of the block, though, was largely the result of my hesitancy. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC) [/end move]

Okay, that seems reasonable. No problem on my side. :) – Elisson • T • C • 15:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I brought it up at WP:AN/I, and everyone said that the block was justified but that on the whole it's better to get another admin to review and block (which is what I always used to do). The resulting blocks would, of course, almost always be longer. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 16:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis, I have done editing at many places. I included references wherever relevant. All changes with reasons are given in 'Discussion'. Please give your comments in the talk page before you decide to do any reversion.Kumarrao 09:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Use of administrator powers

It is not appropriate for an administrator who is personally involved in an editing dispute with another editor to use his administrator powers to block that editor - even when that other editor actually deserves to be blocked. Another administrator should be contacted and that other administrator should do the blocking. Noel S McFerran 11:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

"See also" links

I'm curious why you reverted my change to Blind Willie McTell. True, the "see also" link was also linked to in the body. But does that matter? In this case, the wife of the subject is a relevant subject that the casual reader wouldn't have thought of looking up. Putting it in the "see also" brings it to their attention much more prominently than a simple link in the text would. Why revert? Stevage 12:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Kamma (caste)

Dear Mr Etitis, I read our comments with sadness. I am a well-meaning contributor to Wiki. My article on Kamma (caste) is being improved by me with authentic information. Please point out or correct any errors in English language and grammar. Similarly, indicate which references you feel are inappropriate. Regarding Wiki style, I earlier confessed that I am yet to grasp it fully. I appeal to you not to remove this article from your Watch list. I shall be glad if you keep protecting it. I take all your comments in right spirit.Kumarrao 16:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary

Hi. Thanks. I did not know "Edit summary". Best. Farhoudk 17:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I will use it from now on. thanks. Farhoudk 06:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi could do with some help for that Jonty Rhodes image.

Hi Mel, Paul Venter is now trying to get this image deleted. I noted this deletion request, that I have copied below. Any idea if this is allowed at all?

Image:Jonty rhodes01.jpg

Dear Bhadani, I find that the person who supplied the above photo misunderstood the terms of free licensing. I would therefor appreciate it if you could put this image up for speedy deletion. Much obliged Paul venter 14:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure or is it your guess? I personally feel that the grand mother may have supplied the picture for personal use of the recipient, but we should ask the recipient. What do you suggest? --old man 18:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I suspect this misunderstanding has more to do with Paul Venter's views on the location of the image in the article Jonty Rhodes rather than a genuine misunderstanding on the part of the donator. Paul insisted that the photo should go where he wanted it to go, against the consensus in the talk page. Having failed have his own, he threatened to have the image deleted, as he has suggested here. I would suspect that either

• a. The image was uploaded under a false license deliberately by Paul Venter, or
• b. His assertion of misunderstanding on part of the donator is not entirely true, and should be substantiated.Rueben lys 18:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits

With respect, I do believe that my edit here meets the criteria set out in Wikipedia:Minor edit in that my only changes were of capitalisation and bypassing a redirect by changing SDLP to Social Democratic and Labour Party. (And I added one typo, which I thank you for correcting.) I am curious about why you chose to provide this reminder to me. Ground Zero | t 19:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You know

if not you think any racist here then you read ISpy comment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Merope#Okay_to_you

A discussion page is for user discussion but user page is for the USER. I know for fact user page is for me, I can not get trouble for doing what I want on user page for me, you are harass me for taking off me discussions off of me user page? ISpy who know how use wikipedia is using my user page instead of discussion page and you think is okay right?

perhap you are one harass others, good way to run off people from other places you might one day want learn about. 69.132.198.252 23:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Boston, Lincolnshire

Hi Mel, I wonder whether you could take a look at this very well-mannered dispute I am having to let us know your view on the link provides by User:Sugwell. Thank you. 1 and 2 SMeeds 09:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at the blog link, though it has now reappeared. On the subject of the redirect, I am pleased I am not alone in my feeling, but I too have now given up. SMeeds 14:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC) PS: I've reverted again - we'll see how long that lasts. SMeeds 14:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Reddies

Hello Sir,

You asked me to add tag to the disputed information. According to wikipedia, If an information is: " If it is very doubtful and very harmful, you may remove it directly without the need of moving it to the talk page first. "

I do not understand why you don't let me remove the slanderous line on the Reddy page that asserts that "Kerala Reddys are known as Nairs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oombiar (talk • contribs) 18:46, 13 March 2007

Welcome.

• Thank you for the notice, I removed the welcome and will check contributions. Smee 03:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

blocked?

editing isn't vandilism, neither is a content dispute.

69.132.199.100 13:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Waterhouses

The stuff you've removrd looked OK to me (ie correct from my knowledge).I'm sure Aidan can find you a full reference... Bob aka Linuxlad 16:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC) As I've written, I believe this to be broadly correct (I was born in Derby and believe I know this area; but Aidan also knows his railways over this part of Derby/Staffs. The standard ref.s to the L&MVLR (eg the manifold valley and its light railway; keys & porter, 1972, moorland) should have it in - though my copy of this shows the two tracks as adjacent , rather than two separate stations Linuxlad

The Manifold Valley and its Light Railway - Keys & Porter . Moorland publishers, 1972, has a picture of two trains (standard gauge, narrow gauge) side by side (with a 1 platform gap in between) - I have noted this on the talk page. Bob aka Linuxlad 18:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

something in common

I saw you on User:Yakuman's talk page ... This is just friendly encouragement & thanks to you for your civil & courteous commentary on that page, because when I am dealing with frustrating editors I often feel in need of some friendliness. --lquilter 23:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Explanation

i always have leave explanation in edit summarize 69.132.199.100 00:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Title capitalization

I just added some more thoughts to the thread on Straight Outta/outta Lynwood, and would welcome your response. This is a heads up since I didn't know which of the multiple discussions to post to. Regards, Newyorkbrad 03:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Korea history

I have proposed a community ban on Korea history (talk · contribs). Please provide your input. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 17:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Miracle

Please could you tell me why within very few minutes of my adding an external link you deleted it?? Did you even look at the link and explore the page? I included this link because there are many, many, in fact countless miracles happening today. I see these with my own eyes. I have not added to the main body of the text because my inclusion is going to be biased. I included the link so that people can take a look and decide for themselves. Most of the other links are historical points of view from different religious groups, or state that miracles do not happen today. The link that I placed shows that they do happen today. Don't believe me? Well, I challenge you to come over to Africa and I will show you. (By the way, I'm not African myself, I'm Scottish. Living in Nigeria) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Synagogue (talk • contribs) 18:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Line

I don't recall seeing it on many other Wikipedia articles that have separations between templates and the main body of the article. Is it part of Manual of Style? mirageinred 18:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Clean up of List of Nairs

Dear Mel, Your cleaning up of the above list was really welcomed. Please continue to keep the list on your watch-list. Thanks Ivygohnair 19:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

RE:Edit war on Bharatanatyam

Hi,

Long time no chat. I was wondering if you could take a look at this report here. We have had a few users blanking parts of the article and messing with the citations properly quoted. Regards. Wiki Raja 22:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Charoog

A couple of things. Although there is aggressive editing going on, this person is not basically vandalising as far as I can see. I think you should be cautious about describing it that way, and that also means you should be cautious about making multiple reverts of his edits - you might find yourself in a 3RR situation yourself. I see you've protected one article. You probably weren't the right person to do that, but I can confirm the need to protect to stop edit warring. If there are other articles that need protection, let me know and I'll do so if there is edit warring. Obviously I'd be siding with you in tagging any article as not citing its sources if ... well, if it doesn't cite its sourcess. But Charoog's removal of that tag looks more like ignorance of our procedure than a deliberate attempt to vandalise the encyclopedia. I suggest that you extend maximum courtesy to this user. In the end, it's always best for an admin to do that and to let neutral admins worry about giving any warnings etc. If he continues to be uncivil let me know and I'll have a word with him in that capacity. If any more pages need protection, likewise let me know. If you need to solve underlying content issues, though, I can only do what we always have to do and remind you about mediation. Metamagician3000 02:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

All that said, I made a comment on his talk page - hopefully it will help. Metamagician3000 06:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Have looked at some of the articles since your latest on my talk page. Made some edits and a plea to follow style. Metamagician3000 02:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

How has this been going since my last batch of edits? I'll check myself, but do let me know how it seems to you now. Metamagician3000 12:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Shelby Young

I noticed the credit is now being removed. Why? Is it for lack of source? Because I can provide one, if someone points me in the right direction, ie, what's usable and what isn't. The credit has been listed on darkhorizons.com and cinema.com, to name a few, neither one fansites. I don't care one way or the other whether the credit stays or not. I don't think Shelby cares, either. I just don't want this user feeling like he's "won". Thanks.

Ispy1981 13:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Would any of these work? They don't appear to be mirrors.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/2007/bridgetoterabithia.php http://www.cinemaclock.com/aw/crva.aw/p.clock/r.bri/m.Kelowna/j.e/i.10611/f.Bridge_to_Terabithia__2007_.html http://thecia.com.au/reviews/b/bridge-to-terabithia.shtml http://buzzcine.com/content/view/283/43/ http://www.cinema.com/film/9874/bridge-to-terabithia/cast.phtml

Oops. Forgot to sign. Ispy1981 14:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool beans. Thanks. As far as her scenes being cut, it doesn't seem so. My theory--just a theory--is that she was hired to do the voice-over for the actress, who was a New Zealand native with a heavy accent, probably for the US market, maybe other markets as well. It's not uncommon. The character of Stephanie in LazyTown, played and voiced in the US by Julianna Rose Mauriello is voiced by different actresses for different countries.

Ispy1981 15:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Grammar

Yeah, I reckon I gave bad examples of "out" as an adverb. I'm not so sure about phrasal verbs, I was always taught that a phrasal verb can include either a preposition or an adverb (or even be a three-word-verb with all three), so it's less clear in cases like "stretch out", but I don't think I even used that as an example so it can't save me here.

Fighting the good fight for grammar, anyway! Though I still disagree with you about capitalizing Straight Outta Lynwood ;) Ryanjunk 19:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Question

Remember our discussion in the Angie Phillips AfD? You were in favor of deleting this article and compared the media coverage of BBC weather presenter Ms. Phillips to yourself with the following statement:

"Any presenter on local radio or television is likely to have been the subject of mini-article in newspapers on slow news days (I've been the subject of a couple — one in the Times, one in the New Statesman, because even academics get this sort of thing — should there be an article on me?"[8]

For the record, I suggested there should be [9] (and still think that way). My question is, why didn't you come clean about the Wikipedia article on you while claiming an article about you, and in effect about Ms. Phillips, is not justified? I don't see any support by you for the deletion of your article and even find you made some improvement edits.[10] [11] [12] [13]. This isn't an Essjay-esque scandal and I am not in any way attacking your academic stature. I'm just wondering why you weren't up front about an existing article about yourself while at the same time suggesting there's no justification for one to support your argument in this content dispute. --Oakshade 00:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Obscure message

Ok what do you wantSean paul 1301 10:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

waterhouses pt 2

I see you've retagged this article - I am unclear what you're driving to. Much of the detail is cartographic and can be found from an OS map - we don't usually need to be explicit on these, surely. The detail on the LMVLR is contained in many books on the area - I happen to have one which I've quoted. I know many many articles which are much less well reference than this one. Please explain what it is you think we've not done. Bob aka --Linuxlad 11:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yet another obscure message

don't change facts that you know nothing about, cheek.

Ms. in Bridge to Terabithia (2007 film)

I'm not sure what Ms. is supposed to be an abbreviation for, but per WP:ENGVAR our usage within an article should be consistently British or American; whether or not we agree with the rationale for the usages might be an interesting discussion, but irrelevant to what we are supposed to be about in this article. - Cafemusique 15:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

OK...as I said, I'm not sure what it's supposed to be an abbreviation for. In doing a bit of a search, I came across some suggestions. Some suggest Mistress. There's one interesting suggestion from an e-mail discussion list for linguists that it might have originated as M's as perhaps kind of a dual-purpose contraction of either Miss or Mrs. when the writer was unaware of the marital status of the woman of whom he was writing. But I think the true answer to your question is: (shrug) Who knows? - Cafemusique 22:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Your views on the raging controversy

Mel, have you been following the Essjay controversy and its aftermath? There is a school of thought among some editors that is expressing itself very vociferously against Jimmy Wales' proposal to vet the credentials of editors who decide to put these up in their user pages. This school even proposes that Editors should not be allowed to put any credentials (CVs,employment,academic qualifications, experiences etc) in their User pages. The outcome of this debate is crucial to the future of Wikipedia in my opinion and should concern all of us who wish to remain in Wikipedia. What do you think?Ivygohnair 21:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Bombay stock exchange

added Marathi transliteration as per wikipedia conventions. Marathi is the official language of Maharashtra state,of which Mumbai (bombay) is the capital city. Maharashtraexpress 10:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Bombay stock exchange is known as मुंबई शेयर बाजार [14](mumbai share bazaar) in Marathi.I will write edit summeries hereafter. Maharashtraexpress 10:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering

Hi Mel, just wondering why you left this message on my talk page. Open to criticisms, I just don't know where exactly I did something wrong :-)--Duagloth 12:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

hello

id like to list a complant you blocked a person i know Craxy and i know he swore and all but id love it if you didnt he cant really controll his anger and Klyptzm has harshly used vandelizum on me and talked about my momma and i dont see why you didnt do anything to him insted of Craxy id love it if he were unblocked and block Klyptzm or somthing for his rude comments about my friend Craxy and myself of talking about my mother and useing race words and nobody dose anything i also am mad at Klyptzm for making fun of my spelling and bring a adounce to make fun of me--Butterrum 20:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

are u kidding me havent you noticed the fact Klyptzm keeps saying i didnt do that well its true he did do all those things he talked about my mother j8ut because i made a edit he didnt like--Butterrum 02:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Straight Outta Lynwood

Could you explain to me what the deal is with the Straight Outta Lynwood article is? Socby19 15:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)SocBy19

Admins blocking users who attack them

Hello, Mel. Thanks for your note on my talk pages a few days ago. I normally reply on the same page, but you may not have my page watchlisted, and I wanted to bring this page (Sections "Query" and "Small point") to your attention, as you mentioned not being able to block if abuse is directed against you personally. ElinorD (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2007 (U

HEY

thats not fair that KLP GETS AWAY WITH RACIST STUFF WELL YOU DO NOTHING I WANNA TALK TO THE GUY WHO OWNS THIS JOINT BECAUSE ALL THE ADDMINS SO FAR ARE CORRUPT AND FOR ALL I KNOW YOU CHOULD BE 1 DANG IT KLYPTZM WAS TALKING ABOUT MY MOTHER THATS NOT RIGHT FORGET ABOUT KLPTZM I DIDNT EVEN DO PERSONAL ATTACK ON HIM HES BEING DUMB AND NEEDS TO CHILL DANG IT YOU LIED TO I CANT TRUST YOU WHEN YOU LIED YOU DEALTED HIM I WANT THE RIGHT TO TALK TO THE GUY WHO OWNS WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!!!!!--Butterrum 02:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. This user still needs to provide me with diffs showing the alleged racism/various offences - I have found none when I first investigated a few weeks back. x42bn6 Talk 13:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

you lied im not giving you anything you deated Craxy without listing why maybe you are Klptyzm or are corrupt like the rest of the admin that are suddenly apearing on here--Butterrum 16:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

In regards to emoticons...

Where do you expect us to get sources for emoticons? Where are the sources for all the other ones on the page? Cosmotron 06:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Archives copied from: Atulsnischal talk page

Atul, you are creating the archives at the wrong places. Archives of this talk page should be placed at User talk:Atulnishchal/archive 1 type links, but you are creating them at User talk:Atulnishchal archive 1, which actually means the talk page for the non-existent user named "Atulnishchal archive 1". I've moved some of the misplaced archives, please move the rest to proper places.

In other words, create subpages by appending a / after your talk page link. Thanks. --Ragib 02:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• Archives: Copied and pasted the whole Archives thing from this page: User talk:RaveenS, seems to have worked out fine. Atulsnischal 02:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, please read Wikipedia:Subpages. If you copied it verbatim from RaveenS's page, then that usage is also in violation of the subpage guidelines. This is a friendly advice to you. Thanks. --Ragib 05:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like User talk:RaveenS is doing it incorrectly too. David D. (Talk) 08:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• Guys thankyou for your kind advice, I will like to be left alone please, when I need help I will ask (Others) ;-) Atulsnischal 10:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that you misunderstand. They are trying to be kind, yes, and in a way it's advice — but you were doing something wrong, wihtout realising it. One can only ask for advice or help if one realises that it's needed; you didn't. (But, as I see that you're still not giving edit summaries, you clearly have a bad attitude to advice.) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 11:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for your advice on Edit Summaries, I have a problem with above two users, not with everybody. Atulsnischal 11:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC) I have even complained before about these two :-) Atulsnischal 11:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• The Archiving has worked out just fine, it may have thrown off some unintended pages during first time I pressed "Show Preview", if the final form all fell in place, everything is working fine, I dont contribute so much to have gone in for Robotic / Bot automatic Archiving Software application yet. Atulsnischal 11:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

En-dashing

Hi. This is the slightest of points, but about the en-dash in "Paula Jones – Bill Clinton", in the Coulter article: Firstly, because the dash connects the compound of "Paula Jones" with the compound of "Bill Clinton", it ought have spaces around it. Secondly, use of the single-character en-dash, available from the "Insert:" choices below the editing window, is better than use of the use of the code for an en-dash, whereas they display no differently to readers. Cheers.
-- Lonewolf BC 17:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

(Keeping this here, where it began -- LW)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the en-rule ought to be flanked by spaces in this case; not in the guides to typography that I've read. Do you have a source for that? As for using the HTML form — I find it more useful because it shows up in the editing window; using "–" is fine for readers, but can be difficult to spot for editors (I often find myself "correcting" it by mistake when I'm doing a general copy-edit). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The HTML-form is poorer precisely because it looks different to an editor than to a reader. It clutters the editing page, makes the editing view less like the reading view ("wusiwug" has worth), and is confusing to editors unfamiliar with HTML. The spaces ought be used because the dash is meant to link "Paula Jones" with "Bill Clinton", not just "Jones" with "Bill", which latter is what leaving no spaces implies. See here about avoiding the use of codes. About the spaces, there is something higher up on the same page. It is about "complex ranges", but the same principle applies to the dash-linking of other complexes. -- Lonewolf BC 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the worth of WYSIWYG? Isn't the clarity of what's happening more important? Wikipedia is full of HTML dashes, so an editor should fairly quickly learn what they are. Moreover, the guideline itself uses the HTML form in some of its examples. Note also: "editors are encouraged not to convert others' dash styles without good reason".

Your claim that there ought to be spaces around the en-rule seems to have reduced to the claim that some editors prefer it (which is all that the MoS says). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 19:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not surprised that the MOS says "editors are encouraged not to convert others' dash styles without good reason". In consideration of that you never should have messed with this. It was fine as it was beforehand, and is fine as it is again now. In my view, it was (and is) better, and I've told you my reasons. Those reasons are really based on common sense, rather than on nit-picking about rules, but for what it matters the MOS either prefers or allows the forms from which you changed things.
This is not worth the fuss you are making over it. -- Lonewolf BC 20:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Er. we're having a discussion, in turn; in what sense am I making a fuss while you're standing sternly aloof? As you're descending into petulance, though, I'll leave it. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I misread your tone, and if so then I am sorry. Certainly you have misread mine. Let me put it more diplomatically: The matter is too slight for me to wish to spend more time arguing about it. Cheers. -- Lonewolf BC 00:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Mel, you write earlier: "I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the en-rule ought to be flanked by spaces in this case; not in the guides to typography that I've read. Do you have a source for that?" I take it then that you are unfamiliar with such standard and current resources as The Penguin Working With Words, The AGPS Style Manual, Karen Schriver's Dynamics in Document Design, and The Cambridge Guide to English Usage. Of these, one implicity and three explicitly require spaces around a range-marking en dash when either of the joined elements includes spaces, or is otherwise compound. Lonewolf's usage has impeccable backing. As I myself found, many months ago, your attitude to such things is very doctrinaire and high-handed. I appeal to you to check your facts and your manners before barging in like that. –Noetica 05:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm Sorry

I just want to apologize for all of this nonsense; I'm doing my best not to egg him on, but it seems like it's not doing any good, and more and more people, perhaps unnecessarily, are getting involved. Something that was a simple content dispute aabout 3 months ago has grown to ridiculous proportions. I just wish to apologize for all of the stress this may have caused you. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 18:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:User:69.132.199.100

I don't think IP's may have a userpage, and probably what happened is that I got carried away a bit, so I apologise for the mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evilclown93 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Archiving

Okay, I'll give it a shot. Thank you. Shaneymike 19:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You should really consider what you're doing

Mel - I think you are going over the top here, what with this whole TGBBQ thing; you've admitted you don't watch the show and you're blocking and reverting honest peoples TRUTHFUL edits.

I can understand; in many ways; if you were doing this; ACTUALLY WATCHING THE SHOW itse;f for a start, but what you have to consider is you know nothing and are, in your own way; vandalising the page.

You can't just go around reverting edits - you don't own this site and as I said earlier you would most certainly be in the right if you knew anything about the show - but quite simple you know nothing. Are you going to continue reverting edits forever? It's stupid. And the annoying thing is, it's only a simple page. A stub. Not something where millions of people view the page each day like "Solar System" for example.

I ask you re-consider what you are doing. This can't go on forever. And you don't OWN Wikipedia. Oh, and WIKI means "Free to edit". Look it up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dannybriggs93 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

HER Name Is Nicole

Stop changing the way out of box mode. it makes it look more civilized. Also the song "Dynamite" w/ Fergie and P!nk is on the tracklist. Please stop this editing game! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charoog10 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

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