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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

Hello Meddler92. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Meddler92. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Meddler92|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am not being paid for any of the entries or edits regarding any subject. This article that I am trying to publish is a new generation armoured combat vehicle which is extremely important for the inventory of the Turkish Armed Forces. Since it has been publically launched, it deserves to take place in Wikipedia. Comparing with the other vehicles like Styker or Piranha(please find the links; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowag_Piranha, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker), the content that I have created does not include any PR material nor a promotion of a certain company. I would like to publish this content, and if it does not follow the rules of Wikipedia, I kindly ask you to edit my entry in the proper/acceptable way.

Thank you. Cemardalenger (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cemardalenger: first of all, why are you replying on Meddler92's talk page, are these both your accounts?

Secondly, I believe you are employed by FNSS – please confirm?

Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am unaware that I have replied at Meddler92's page, sorry for this. I am having difficulties getting used to the platform, which I find extremely complicated. I used to work at the FNSS company, however the information that I have tried to publish is not PR related, it is just what it is. I am writing this to share the correct information about the vehicle as well as the company(which there are many other wrong information that has been published by the way). So could you please help, how can I share the correct information. Although I have worked for this company in the past, this does not mean that I can not share any correct information about the subject, regarding the fact that I have the right information. Could you please lead me to publish this page properly(in accordance to the guidelines of Wikipedia)?

Thank you. Cemardalenger (talk) 08:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't actually answer either of my questions.

Are you operating both the Cemardalenger and Meddler92 accounts?
Do you work for FNSS? (Saying that you "used to work" tells us nothing about whether you currently work there.)

Simple yes/no answers, please. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am operating as cemardalenger.
No, I do not work there.

Cemardalenger (talk) 11:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cemardalenger: why does LinkedIn seem to think you still work there?

Anyway, given that you have worked there recently, you still have a conflict of interest (COI) which needs to be disclosed. Whether you make the generic COI disclosure, or the more specific paid-editing COI one, either way the outcome is pretty much the same. I will post advice on the generic COI on your talk page in a moment. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Meddler92, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia, such as Cemardalenger (talk · contribs). Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you. DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am not connected to or coordinated with the user named Cemardalenger, neither virtually or socially. I just happened to come cross the entry. Since I saw it raw, I wanted to edit it and add a more reliable Reference, since I am well-versed in armored combat vehicles across the globe. And no, I am not working in the abovementioned company.

Regards. Meddler92 (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see.

Could you please elaborate on how you came across this draft? I'm genuinely curious. We have thousands of drafts in the system. These are quite difficult to accidentally "come across", as they are not indexed in the encyclopaedia. You can find a draft, but you have to search in exactly the right way, in this case for "PARS ALPHA 8x8 AFV" (precisely like that, all caps, no punctuation, spacing just right, etc.). And yet, you found this one... the day after it was created, and before it is even submitted for review.

Your only edit prior to that, was to FNSS Defence Systems, the manufacturer of this vehicle.

I find these quite remarkable coincidences, don't you? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]