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Zanzibar women's national football team
[edit]Thanks for the corrections. I have better integrated the information into the article so the sources support available statements, added a more reliable source for one piece of information, found another source, etc. --LauraHale (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, but it appears you've reversed some of my necessary grammatical changes in doing so, and created some more in the process. Also, the confusion over the team is still there. "Zanzibar Queens" was not formed as the "Women Fighters". The Women Fighters was the first CLUB TEAM in Zanzibar. From this club team, and other subsequently formed club teams, the first national team (Zanzibar Queens) was selected for the match against Tanzania in 2007. That is to say, Women Fighters is only one club of 5 or 6 that play in Zanzibar. The national team (Zanzibar Queens) is made up of players from ALL of these clubs. Also, one of the most important pieces of information (the result of Zanzibar's ONLY ever match v Tanzania) has been removed. A report of the game in Swahili can be found here: http://mzeewakutibua.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/ayaa-anaanguka-hata-boli-haijafika.html I've also changed some other edits you've made (i.e. that there were 5 teams in the inaugural league, not 4). Also, an important piece of information about Zanzibar's participation rights has been removed (although I cannot find a source for it in CAF's statutes), CAF does not allow associate members (of which it has 2 - Zanzibar and Réunion) to participate in CAF-organised national team competitions. Clubs from Zanzibar and Réunion, however, are eligible to compete in the CAF club competitions. I also changed the part about Zanzibar not being recognised by FIFA. It is recognised by FIFA, but only as a constituent part of the TFF (i.e., it has no INDEPENDENT recognition, but it DOES have recognition). Mcruic (talk) 22:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
- Blogspot is not viewed as the a reliable source on English Wikipedia and the sources support what is said in the article. The blogspot information needs to be found in a reliable source for Wikipedia other than the one sources. The information in the article at the moment is reliably sourced. Where it can be reliably sourced, it can be included. The information cannot be changed to say something different than the source. In making those edits, you were basically saying the sources supported that when they do not. As the article is undergoing a rather extensive review at the moment, adding additional information from unreliable sources and not supported by sources is a bit more problematic. I've spent the better part of the morning trying to find sources for the article at this for the article that relate to the content you're trying to introduce or better expand upon it and I'm not finding it easily. Please be patient and FIRST find sources that support it before introducing material.--01:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will try to dig out more reliable sources for the Tanzania 17-0 Zanzibar match. This other blogspot article also mentions most of the 17 scorers from that particular match - http://rsmiruko.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/haijapata-kutokeamabao-17-0.html. I have a list of the scorers in an e-mail in my files - Asha Rashid (8), Mwanahamisi Omar (2), Ester Chabruma (Lunyamila) (4), Fatuma Abushir (1) na Fatuma Mustapher (2). I realise this is not 'credible', but it's frustrating that arguably the most important part of the article (i.e an actual match played by the subject of the article) cannot be added. The match, by the way, was played as a curtain-raiser to the men's international friendly match between Tanzania Mainland and Zambia, which Tanzania won 1-0 (http://www.lusakatimes.com/2007/11/23/grandstand-a-view-from-dar/), http://allafrica.com/stories/200711220344.html. Unfortunately, the women's match is not deemed important enough to be mentioned in either of those articles.
- "National team players are eligible to play for Tanzania in the Women's World Cup or in football at the Summer Olympics or other CAF sanctioned events.[15]" - In actual fact, National team players are eligible to play for Tanzania in ANY competition (Women's World Cup, Olympic Games, CAF tournaments, friendly tournaments, friendly matches), as Zanzibar is an integral part of Tanzania. The quote above (despite having a credible source) would imply that players cannot represent Tanzania in friendly matches or tournaments.
- "The team plays domestically against men's sides in Zanzibar" - This is not sourced. Is this even true of the national team? Or is this referring to the Women Fighters club? Some clarity is required here. As fasr as I know, Zanzibar's national team competes against women's teams from the Mainland in a domestic competition known as the Mzeru Cup (http://www.tanzaniasports.com/general-sports-news/a-letter-from-nisha-ligon-mzeru-cup-morogoro). The mysterious 17-0 win is mentioned fleetingly in this article ("A while back, the Twiga Stars [NOTE: This is the nickname of Tanzania's women's national team] played Zanzibar in a friendly match, and though no one seems to remember the actual score, general agreement is that it was somewhere between 15 and 18 to nil… and they didn’t even play a full 90 minutes.").
- The whole section entitled 'Team' mostly refers to Women Fighters club. While this is related to the development of a national team, it is not directly relevant to the article subject, and should perhaps be in another article "Women's football in Zanzibar", or even in a subsection of the present article with that name. We don't see mention of, for example, Tyresö FF in the Sweden Women's National Football Team article.
- The problem with even seemingly credible sources is that sometimes they can be wrong, or can be interpreted wrongly, as has happened with this particular article. What is worse? Finding new information that is actually factual (though perhaps is lacking Wikipedia-deemed credible sources) or finding sources and misinterpreting them, and writing ungrammatically, as you and others have done on this article? I'd argue the latter is just as bad, or worse, as it actually introduces non-factual material to the article. So, perhaps it would also be advisable to be patient and make sure sources are interpreted properly and understood before adding material to the article. Mcruic (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Talk:Zanzibar women's national football team/GA1
[edit]I don't know why you're commenting on Talk:Zanzibar women's national football team/GA1 but you may want to consider either opening a WP:GAR if you do not feel a WP:GAN is earned... or consider commenting on Talk:Zanzibar women's national football team where comments will be seen if your goal is to get additional collaboration. The article has not passed featured article and I'm not particularly fussed with whatever changes you may want to make, unless you take it to WP:GAR and the article needs to be defended to maintain its good article status. --LauraHale (talk) 11:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- My intention was to comment on Talk:Zanzibar women's national football team to highlight the poor state of some of the content, and to offer alternative (and possibly new) content which better serves the purpose of the article. It's possible I mistakenly commented on Talk:Zanzibar women's national football team/GA1, in which case I apologise. I note, however, that the comments now appear on both pages mentioned above. Regardless, the point I was making was that insufficient research was being carried out before content was being added, which I feel is an important point to be addressed. Mcruic (talk) 12:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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