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I saw your draft at User:MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight/MGTOW (Men Going their Own Way), and I thought I'd give a couple of suggestions. First, I wouldn't use Google trends in your article, as raw stats like that aren't always a good indicator of how much something is actually being talked about. Second, since your article is specifically about MGTOW, you should avoid articles that only talk about a related concept without actually using the phrase "Men Going their Own Way", as what you need to show in the article is that Men Going their Own Way specifically has gotten significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 02:49, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I now have this stuck in my head. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 02:49, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:MGTOW has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:MGTOW. Thanks! /wia /tlk 15:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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DARVO

I've changed your "DARVO" reference in the Gaslighting article to a link to Denial#Denial of fact, and included your Freyd quote there, which I think is the material you were wanting to reference through that link. However, there's nothing in the Freyd quote that supports the use of the acronym DARVO itself, and since it appears to be a neologism, you would need to show that it is used by multiple independent reliable sources before using it here. -- The Anome (talk) 12:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MGTOW

Thanks for creating Draft:MGTOW: that looks like a good start on an article, and unlike when the original article was deleted in 2007, the phenomenon does indeed now appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. The phenomenon itself, however, fills me with sadness. -- The Anome (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you create the article page? I am not familiar with how the article creation process works. Who actually decides to create the article? --MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight (talk) 14:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The articles are reviewed by volunteers who specialize in doing this -- it's likely to take a week or so, but they will get round to it eventually. -- The Anome (talk) 08:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: MGTOW (December 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by CatcherStorm was:

It appears that your submission is either an attempt to be humorous rather than factual, or is an obvious hoax. As Wikipedia strives to contain only factual entries, we can not accept your submission at this time.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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AfC notification: Draft:MGTOW has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:MGTOW. Thanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:56, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:MGTOW has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:MGTOW. Thanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Men Going Their Own Way has been accepted

Men Going Their Own Way, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:19, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Please also create the pages MGTOW (and Men going their own way, which should be a redirect). On the Web, according to the number of Google search results (hits), "MGTOW" is used much more frequently than the full phrase "Men Going Their Own Way". So MGTOW should be the primary page. —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 13:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm just following up on the request to move Men Going Their Own Way to MGTOW. The way to do that is through a requested move. Just follow the linked instructions to begin a discussion as to whether Men Going Their Own Way should be moved to MGTOW. I realize this can be a confusing process, what with drafts and redirects and requested moves, but we will get it all sorted out sooner or later! Thanks, /wia🎄/tlk 12:31, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, and another thing. If you would like MGTOW (Men's rights) to be deleted, the way to do that is to nominate it for deletion at RfD. There are instructions there, but they are somewhat complicated, and in practice I find it easier to use something like Twinkle to nominate pages for deletion. Let me know if you have trouble with the nomination and I'll help if I can. Thanks, /wia🎄/tlk 12:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Men Going Their Own Way

The article Men Going Their Own Way has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This recently created article synthesizes a lot of fluff media into an article that reads more like an essay. Excessive citations raise more questions about notability than they answer.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. RadioFan (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MGTOW for DYK?

Hi MGTOW,

Have you considered submitting Men Going Their Own Way to WP:DYK? It seems like it would make a neat factoid and I believe there's a 7-day limit for new articles. I think user created images like File:MGTOW symbol.jpg can be used as part of the hook also. 72.74.206.96 (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would this be a good or a bad thing? I don't want to invite a flood of zillions of new editors who are not familiar with the subject matter and who will proceed to mangle the contents even more. —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 00:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That does seem to be typical of controversial topics on Wikipedia. It could always be semi-protected if you do decide to nominate it. 72.74.206.96 (talk) 08:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Terrence Popp has a pretty good YouTube video on MGTOW. Do you think it'd be worth adding to the article as an external link? 72.74.206.96 (talk) 08:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I did so initially, but it was deleted. I suspect the entire article will be deleted soon. —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 10:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Men Going Their Own Way for deletion

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FYI: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest

Hi I'm just noticing your username MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight and the fact that you created the MGTOW article. Just so you know Wikipedia has rules about editing/creating articles about organizations with which one has an affiliation. I note that your first edit to wikipedia was in fact the creation of that page.

Also, some of your comments at that article's AFD raise redflags "If it makes any difference, the near-consensus of the MGTOW outside Wikipedia with whom I've discussed this is agreement with my delete vote here."[1]. Wikipedia articles and content are judged by wikipedia's standards not any external group's standards. The link in the thread tile has some useful information on how to avoid controversial edits on pages where one might have a potential conflict of interest--Cailil ^talk 16:31, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My Wikipedia username was chosen on a whim. I have an "interest" in the subject matter, but I have no "conflict of interest". MGTOW is not an "organization". It is a social phenomenon (and, to a lesser extent, a community of interest). The website MGTOW.com is someone's pet project and does not speak for (all) MGTOW. I am in no way affiliated with this website. I may or may not make a user account on their forums at some point in the future, but that would still not count as a "conflict of interest". —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 16:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard, you're reaching like fuck User:Cailil— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:4201:b75e:d858:745:d79a:33f2 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 1 January 2016 (UTC)‎[reply]

Blocked

I have blocked your account as a pointy username policy violation. You openly admit here that your username is the only other common use of the acronym for Men Going Their Own Way. Further, you have shown to have a strong point of view and even a conflict of interest about the subject due to your use of the royal we and discussing an "approved version" of the article. You may appeal this block by using the {{unblock}} --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 07:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I don't understand this block. As I already stated, my username is irrelevant, because it was chosen on a whim; most websites allow changing one's username, but Wikipedia does not (or at least not without confusing complications). As I already explained, I have no conflict of interest, because I receive no benefits, financial or otherwise, for using this user account. MGTOW is not a company, organization, institution, or product. I do not recall ever using a "royal we" or "approved version" with regards to the article. I merely pointed out that the current article factually misrepresented the truth about what MGTOW is all about. I do not have a "strong" point of view, because I even included a "Criticism of MGTOW" section myself in the original article, with some very harsh criticisms of MGTOW. I am not opposed to including criticisms of MGTOW in the article, indeed I did it myself and don't mind it if others do. My only objection is if the criticisms of MGTOW begin to dominate the article, such as constituting the majority of the article. My only request is that the criticisms of MGTOW be sequestered to the "Criticisms of MGTOW" section, and do not constitute the majority of the article or become interspersed in the description of MGTOW, which is misleading. —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 12:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

The blocking admin should have told you to use the {{unblock-un|new username|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} template to request unblock, so please do that. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

@Boing! said Zebedee: In that case, I'd prefer to simply indefinitely retire this user name, rather than rename it (because the latter would cause unnecessary confusion). —MaximumGrossTakeOffWeight^(talk). 13:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've released the block on your IP address, so please feel free to create a new account with an uncontroversial username. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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