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Sorry about that. I meant to edit just a certain section, and was just about to revert the article when you reverted it for me (man... this place moves fast). Mattdp 22:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Although the two stations use the same virtual channel number, the subchannels should be listed in separate tables at the respective articles. Why combine the two? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 09:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep up the good work on the TV translator tables. Try adding them to every station article. And consider joining the television stations task force. Thanks. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice work on some of the translator tables.

I've recently become very involved with the GA process and have sent a number of US TV stations to GA, and I also have conducted some much-needed rebuilds of lists (the ones that are just lists). Some of these lists had gotten quite outdated, and with analog now truly dead and the repack over, this is the time.

I have two concerns about these type of tables. One is that they may contain too much information. It also was pointed out to me in one of the GA reviews that lists like this may contain too many external links. See Wikipedia talk:External links#Television station translator lists. At KTVK, I was told to have one source to cite and then a list.

I've also been in contact with the FCC about an updated list of their master "List of TV Translator Input Channels" which had not been revised since November 2017. I just got that report prepared this week. It and RabbitEars disagree in a few places, which is kind of to be expected (some are where the FCC is wrong, I believe K15MH-D is wrong at RE per the info the FCC gave me and I sent it to RfD). A couple notes from me:

Some translator districts may have multiple transmitter sites under the same COL. This is the case for, say, Elko, Nevada. With these, I list the COL *and* transmitter site if that information is available (e.g. Elko (Grindstone Mountain), Elko (Lamoille Summit)).
ATSC 3.0 creates some unusual and hard-to-cite problems. KJZZ-TV has 85 dependent translators, but their current status is a toss-up because the translators cannot repeat the ATSC 3.0 signal verbatim (and the KJZZ-TV subchannels are on other muxes that are relayed). If the originating station is ATSC 3.0, the translator likely has changed to another input or gone silent, but this is not documented. Tables for one originating station should not be repeated (you'll notice I removed the KPTV and KGW tables from KPDX).

It is possible, as a result, for a subchannel to be available places the main channel is not, depending on the setup (KASW is notably like this).

You might have noticed with the LA stations the main channel only. This is a weird one. San Bernardino County, California, has four translator sites but they only have three muxes apiece per site. The result is that the transmitters broadcast just the main channel of 10 different stations (example — they each have different configurations). The way you have it set up is a bit too jargon-y in terms of conveying that. Most readers won't understand the difference. Let me know if you would like me to email you to send you the document from the FCC.
Stations that carry more than one main station either do so in the San Bernardino-type "stack-lator" setup (only used by a few eastern Colorado sites like Wray, Anton, and Sterling and the aforementioned California sites) or they do so as the result of a channel share. KRCA has a translator because it is on KABC-TV's multiplex, and the Indian Wells booster rebroadcasts the whole mux. The same is true of WNEP-TV with WVIA-TV—which has led to some redundancy in the combined translator network.

I'd love to talk with you more on this and answer any questions. I'm not quite sure if full tables are the way to go, but I do appreciate the sorely needed updating process. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I have completed overhauls of the List of Television Stations in *State* for all US states and territories. These lists have three tables - full power channels, low power channels and translators. I'm currently working state-by-state to ensure all TV stations have translator tables that include all related translators, partial translators, Digital Replacement Translators and Distributed transmitter systems. So far, I have yet to complete Oregon, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and part of California. The rest of the US uses that exact table format, with slight variations: If all facilities are owned by the station, I omit the ownership column. For tables in say a state PBS article, I include the station they're translating.
I picked up that translator table from somewhere here on Wikipedia. I think we could eliminate the facility ID column (as that's duplicated in the Callsign column) and the transmitter coordinates. Still, I feel tables are much easier to read than lists.
Multiple broadcast sites for the same City of License: If that information was included in a previous revision of the article, I will try and include it in the table. I might try to add disambiguations later.
When possible, I try to link to the website of the organization operating the translator in question. Given some are sortable tables, I link on every entry. If this is improper form, I can change it.
If you have a better way of conveying that a translator only relays specific channels, I'm open to implementing it.

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I think it would be best to list the KOBR subchannels and translators in the KOBR article and the KOBF subchannels and translators in the KOB article. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: WFTC

@Nathan Obral: deleted the translator table for a reason. We've been moving away from the techy stuff in translator lists. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 07:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who is this "we?" Mattdp (talk) 07:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Community. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 07:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source please?

Any way it could be turned into a collapsible feature, rather than getting deleted entirely? I spent months standardizing table across all US TV stations just to have you people wreck it. Mattdp (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

...giving people less publicly-available information, in a much less visually concise format. Mattdp (talk) 08:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should have a talk with @Sammi Brie:. She's an expert in this field. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain a bit of why I've been shying away from translator tables and some of the issues.

In pages like KTVK, it used to be that translators were tucked in a list under a {{hidden}}. That template has documentation stating Generally, collapsible templates should not be used in articles. For allowable uses and other considerations, please see MOS:COLLAPSE.

In turn, that guideline states,

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Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading. This includes reference lists, tables and lists of article content, image galleries, and image captions.

I've removed all remaining uses of this for translators.

I've also been trying to grapple with the fact that there is a lot of detail presented in the tables, detail that is frankly excessive in most cases. Reducing to a list helps a lot with this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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