User talk:MatWr

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AfC notification: Draft:Waukauyengtipu has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Waukauyengtipu. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Waukauyengtipu (November 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Mount Venamo. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The existing article can be expanded, and can include the issue of whether there is one mountain or two.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, MatWr! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Your Question About Your Draft

You wrote:

Hello,
Thank you for your review.
I am writing this comment as unfortunately I cannot agree with your point of view. Having been actively involved in the research of the Guyana/Venezuela region for some years myself, I prepared a separate article about Waukauyengtipu in order to clear up the nomenclatural inaccuracies being spread in available sources, basing my information on tangible results of exploration on site. Truth is that information about Mount Venamo is vague and mostly based on very old, fragmented pieces of information coming in most part from an old expedition made there by J.A. Steyermark in 1960s. The sources provide much better information about Waukauyengtipu rather than Mount Venamo, thanks to D. Clarke's Waukauyengtipu botanical expedition from 1997 - so there is no point in providing information about Waukauyengtipu in a Mount Venamo article. The claim that both mountains are the same thing was put in the Mount Venamo article without having any basis in professional sources has since led to strong confusion, even within the scientific community - having a separate article about Waukauyengtipu will help stop spreading misinformation about the geography of the region.
Another reason why I am so strongly convinced about my case is that I personally led an expedition to Waukauyengtipu mountain in January 2018, confirming my claims regarding the nomenclature with local Indigenous communities and supplementing to the observations made by the 1997 Smithsonian expedition.
I hope you will reconsider your decision. I will be happy to provide any more information should there be a need to do so.

What I wrote was that you should expand the existing article with regard to the question of whether there is one mountain or two. You are saying that there are two mountains. The article says that there are different opinions. It appears that you are proposing to create a second article that states a different opinion than the first article. That would be what is known in Wikipedia as a content fork, which would essentially be to have two articles that argue with each other. Wikipedia doesn't do that. We do not knowingly have two articles that state different things. If I have misunderstood, please clarify. In any case, you should present your information on the talk page of the existing article, at Talk: Mount Venamo. Perhaps the article should be renamed or split, but that should be discussed at the talk page of the existing article.

Also, you state that you have done your own research in the region. Has that research been published? If so, you can cite the journal or other medium in which your research was published. If it has not been published, then please read the policy about original research.

If you think that there is incorrect information in the existing article, it should be updated based on the latest published research, rather than having two articles that argue with each other.

I will be requesting the comments of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Waukauyengtipu has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Waukauyengtipu. Thanks! DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:54, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Waukauyengtipu (May 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were:

Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Mount Venamo instead.

This has been discussed inconclusively every few months. The note by User:Nick Moyes at Talk:Mount Venamo seems to be as close to an answer as we are likely to get. There are probably two separate peaks that are close to each other but distinct. In view of the uncertainty, there should probably be one article that discusses them, with both titles (as is now the case), and discusses the uncertainty.

This is apparently a very remote nearly inaccessible place that illustrates that parts of the Earth are still not fully explored.

If the submitter thinks that two articles are in order, the submitter can submit a Redirect for Discussion to remove the redirect and establish two separate articles (that cross-reference each other). Otherwise, expand the article on Mount Venamo and discuss the controversy.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Waukauyengtipu and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Waukauyengtipu, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 02:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]