User talk:MarnetteD/archive56

Bernardo Bertolucci

RIP Mr Bertolucci! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely Dr. Blofeld. A special talent. RIP to Nicolas Roeg as well. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 15:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Latest episode

I'm finding the latest episode of Admins Gone Wild to be a little confusing. I feel like I must have missed a crucial episode way back when and thereby missed an important plot-point or two. User:Softlavender (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi S. I'm not sure of the backstory either. There was a discussion some time ago about not blocking based solely on a username rather admins were supposed to wait until the user made their first edit. I can't remember what the outcome of that was. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 19:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

You may have seen this one, but if not

At what point does Hamlet say Hakuna Matata!? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång. The video wont play here in the US as it is under copyright. I'm pretty sure I know what scene you are talking about though. I'm beginning to wonder if people have been unduly attributing things to Hamlet. Kurosawa's film The Bad Sleep Well is often mentioned as his version of Hamlet but, with the exception of a couple plot points, I just didn't see it. I recently saw some research refuting the comparison for that film. I'll ping Xover and Bertaut in case they have anything to add (though there is no obligation for them to do so of course) since their understanding and research is much better than mine in this area. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 22:05, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm just quoting the episode of QI, not thinking of a particular scene. When Stephen Fry states that The Lion King is based on Hamlet, a panelist objects "At what point does Hamlet say Hakuna Matata!?" She also states that she was told that saying "Macbeth" meant she had to sleep with all the other actors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Gråbergs Gråa Sång. That is fun stuff. BBC America aired 8 or 9 episodes of QI a couple years ago and then stopped. I liked it but, sadly, BBCA has almost no BBC programming on it anymore :-( Thanks for thinking of me and leaving that link. MarnetteD|Talk 23:06, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

QI is just about one of the best panel game shows ever. Now into its 16th series, some of the earlier series have been made available on DVD. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I have to concur, QI rules. FYI, it's Sue Perkins asking the question. Her reference to Macbeth reminds me of that fantastic Richard Harris story about the time he played Seyton in a production in London. You guys know that story? He tells it here. Bertaut (talk) 00:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

And she rocks that outfit[1][2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Excellent find on the pics Gråbergs Gråa Sång! The RH story is wonderful Bertaut. I hadn't heard it before. It makes me wonder if it would be possible to dig into the archives and find out who was playing Macbeth - heehee? MarnetteD|Talk 07:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

"SHE'S FINE!" HAH! Btw, I think this QI episode gave David Mitchell several ideas for when Upstart Crow came along. Another almost-quote: "There was this production of Anne Frank that was so bad. When the nazis came in on stage, someone yelled "SHE'S IN THE ATTIC!!"". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any research that questions the The Bad Sleep Well—Hamlet relationship, so if you recall any clues I'd be interested. However—and caveat, this is a little outside of my area—The Bad Sleep Well is not an adaptation of Hamlet: it is Kurosawa criticising the endemic culture of corruption in mid-century Japan, and particularly in the Kishi government, to the purpose of which he appropriates bits and pieces of Hamlet. The most direct appropriaion is the Nishi/Hamlet—Iwabuchi/Claudius—Yoshiko/Ophelia-triangle (and to a degree the Itakura/Horatio-character). Iwabuchi is an amalgam of Claudius and Polonius (he's Yoshiko's father); and Nishi is seeking revenge for his father's death. But in pursuing his aim, Kurosawa diffuses and broadens the elements of Hamlet, spreading character traits and themes out over diverse characters, and with few direct paralells. Other direct points of reference are Film noir as a genre, and Olivier's Hamlet (some filmic language, notably making physical the gulfs and obstacles separating Hamlet and Ophelia, and interpretations, such as setting "To be, or not to be" on a precipice, underscoring that Hamlet is contemplating suicide, echoed by Kurusawa in Wada's thwarted suicide at the volcano). Throne of Blood (Macbeth) and Ran (King Lear) are much more direct adaptations of the source material, but in all his films, Kurosawa is telling his story and adapting it to Japanese cultural tradition. Kurosawa was also fairly broad in his influences, adapting or referencing everything from traditional Japanese folk tales; Dostoyevski, Tolstoy, and Gorky; to then-reigning Hollywood conventions and western greats like Shakespeare.

On Harris, I'm afraid I know of no decent database of West End theatre performances (much less off-West End), and as this would have had to be around the period 1955–1960 when Harris was a complete unknown, it's very unlikely that contemporary news coverage would name him. Unless someone dives into real primary research (the V&A has some archives that may contain the answer), I'm afraid this will have to just stay a highly amusing tall tale.

BTW, bonus semi-apropos link: Strong Passion is Impressed in Youth (aka. "Pop Culture Shakespeare with Stefanie Jochman") from the Folger Shakespeare Library's Shakespeare Unlimited podcast. --Xover (talk) 10:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, unless you mean…

• Ashizu, Kaori (1995). "Kurosawa's Hamlet?" (PDF). Shakespare Studies. 33. The Shakespeare Society of Japan: 71–99. ISSN 0582-9402.

Ashizu doesn't question the Hamlet connections: rather, she criticises previous scholarship that characterises it as a straight up modern adaptation of Hamlet. It's not, as alluded to above. --Xover (talk) 13:26, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, there's Tchaikowsky doing his acclaimed Yorick. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to leave such a detailed post Xover. Many years ago I had a discussion with User:John Thaxter (who I still miss every day) lamenting the fact that there was IBDb and IOBDb but no corresponding website for London. He did mention what a massive task it would be to create one. To any of my talk page watchers I am an advocate of Kurosawa's contemporary films and TBSW is one of his finest. The opening scene is a tour de force of how to present a films story-lines and characters in an intriguing, concise and fascinating manner. MarnetteD|Talk 20:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally, I'm watching Branagh's Hamlet and while I haven't watched The Bad Sleep Well in yonks years, and haven't really read any significant criticism of Branagh's take, I'd lay odds that his equivalent scene draws heavy inspiration from Kurosawa. Plenty of Zeffirelli too, of course, and probably Welles and Olivier, but there is something there that just screams Kurosawa to me. Which is a bit of a neat little circle that I found funny. :) --Xover (talk) 08:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment Xover. The thing that strikes me whenever I watch it is that - even though it is over 4 hours long and includes scenes that no other filmed version does - it doesn't drag and the story moves along at pace that always keeps me engaged. In a change of subject this wonderful set of blurays arrived yesterday so I know how my weekend is going to be filled. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

ANI

Hello! For the sake of rulez-is-rulez, please see this thread at ANI. Looks like the IP has got a cast-iron case for a lenghthy, if not indef block for you. Or maybe not...! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Lugnuts. I've been called many things over the years but this is the first time that the word furious was used. I guess that means I'll have to change my name to Orlando :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 08:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I had to come here because I chuckled at "furious user". But I was called "agressor" once, so who knows. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Or possibly this Fury (?) ... Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 14:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Nice one Gareth I hadn't heard the song in years :-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång whoever used that word about you could not have been more wrong! MarnetteD|Talk 18:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

He was indeffed pretty quickly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Reading: It's FUNdamental!

[3] Ha, I'm especially fond of that saying myself[4] -- Alex^TW 01:41, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Great minds AtW. You even capitaliz(s)ed the FUN!! Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Fyi

Hi, M.
In case this news hadn't reached you yet.
Doctor Who series 11 just came to an end – but fans will have quite a long wait until the next full selection of adventures for the Thirteenth Doctor and her friends.
The BBC have confirmed longstanding rumours that the sci-fi series won’t be back on screens for a full series in 2019, with the twelfth season of the revived series instead airing in “early” 2020.
... Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 14:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the update G. Now this kind of delay has happened in the past but it just adds to my feeling that the powers that be at Auntie Beeb have cooled in their enthusiasm for the show. I thought this season was excellent and appreciated the difference in style of Chibnall's story telling from Moffat's. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Copyvio

MarnetteD,

I am am working to remove the copyright issue with David E Shaner article. I submitted a rewrite yesterday at Talk:David E. Shaner/Temp.

On the David E Shaner article you wrote, "not needed until the copy vio issues are fixed." Since I am still a bit new to editing in Wikipedia, can you help me understand what you meant?

Thank you,

Ptarry (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Ptarry Other editors who understand the copyvio issues will check on things and either keep or delete the article. MarnetteD|Talk 15:42, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Archiving

Thank you for restoring a few that were still opened but you have also restored a thread that was closed almost 12 hours earlier. Can you archive it? Thanks शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 02:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

It will eventually be archived by a bot शिव साहिल. BTW it is suggested that threads not be archived until at least 24 hours after they have been closed. That gives editors from all over the globe a chance to see what happened. MarnetteD|Talk 02:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Stop

Can you please stop removing my edits because those controversies that I stated on Charlie Brown thanksgiving and Rudolph were true. Also I edited out The Pink Panther Show because technically MGM owns the series, not WB, and MGM have been releasing and rerunning the series on there channels and putting it on dvd and blu ray. If you do more of this I will block you Manix crapix (talk) 22:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

No I can't. Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX or a place for WP:OR. Until you can provide WP:SECONDARY reliable sources to support the statements they will continue to be removed. MarnetteD|Talk 22:51, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Manix crapix: You are not an administrator, so cannot block anybody. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Dog and rapper vandal

This kerfuffle at the T.I. biography is coming from the range Special:Contributions/2605:E000:D501:9800:0:0:0:0/64, which I thought was block evasion by MusicLover650, or Keditz, but then I saw the revealing edit summary "view source"[5] which is used by nobody but the dog and rapper vandal. Can you block the range? Thanks in advance. Binksternet (talk) 01:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for figuring things out Binksternet. I can't help with the block as I am not an admin. Do you know one who has dealt with this LTA before? Happy New Year to you! MarnetteD|Talk 03:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Brands

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