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I'm on the clock tonight (till probably 6:00 AM GMT). Sorry! Saturday and Sunday I'll 100% be off-wiki, though. Thanks for working with me on this! — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

My apologies MusikAnimal I did do some template removal after 0100 GMT. I'll leave it alone until tomorrow - and even further if you need it. I do hope you get some sleep eventually. Cheerzzzzzzz. MarnetteD|Talk 02:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Haha thanks! I'm nearly done knocking this out. Talked to Earwig and gone to tone the bot back to only remove protection templates if the corresponding protection has expired, and handle protection templates in the template space. That means they'll still plenty of work to do on your end, if you're still up for it! :) As you've seen, these situations can get quite tricky, for example Drishyam (2015 film). Our solution to add the expiry clearly did not work. Anomalies, those darn templates! Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the update M I had noticed that film staying in the cat as well. Working with the cat is always a welcome diversion and keeps me out of trouble - well most of the time. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Oops I forgot to mention that I hope you have a nice weekend - especially since you will be away from WikiP. Gotta recharge those batteries! MarnetteD|Talk 03:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz

This city is located in ARGENTINA, this country has a NEW President, Vice president and every city has a new Intendant and other authorities (the national elections were on 22th November), why did you deleted the Intendant's name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.177.142.159 (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Because you need to provide a WP:RS stating that person has become the new Intendent. WikiP requires sourcing for all new info. MarnetteD|Talk 04:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Valley of the Dolls (film)

Haha. I went into this film really wanting to like it and say I disagree with the critics but sadly they're right. Crowther sums it up very well "It's an unbelievably hackneyed and mawkish mish-mash of backstage plots and Peyton Place adumbrations." It's the worst film I've seen in quite some time. The conception of it is just awful. Extremely disappointing from Mark Robson, a very decent director.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Heehee. It is a tough one to watch all the way through. You are right about Robson being a decent director so this one really clucks in comparison to his other films. I might think that there is some story of others interfering with it but he was the producer as well. Cheers DB. MarnetteD|Talk 21:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I got a Robson film to GA, The Ghost Ship, a classic, if a little campy! I didn't write most of it, it was somebody else's article. Toko Ri IMO is one of the best US in Japan films, superbly shot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like a fun one to watch. I will put it on my list Dr. Blofeld. Val Lewton's involvement in that film reminds me that I got to see Val Lewton: The Man in the Shadows a couple months ago. Very well done and worth your time if it is available to you. MarnetteD|Talk 15:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Cat People is a really good one!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Lillie Langtry

Hi Marnette and any talk-page watchers interested. Since June an editor (AnthonyCamp) has three times removed information on the so-called Langtry Manor (fka "Red House" and "Manor Heath Hotel") in Bournemouth from the Lillie Langtry article: [1], [2], [3]. I have not interfered since the sourcing thus far was only to the website of the now-hotel itself and thus non-independent. (AnthonyCamp has also significantly altered the Langtry Manor article.) I thought however that the info in the Lillie miniseries was supposedly accurate, though, right? Plus in the miniseries they even had a motto of hers on the wall "They say, what say they, let them say". Is the idea that Bertie built the place for her, and that they trysted there, a fiction? Do you or anyone feel like rebutting this user's edits? To do so, will need a bunch of bullet-proof citations. Thus far I've found this [4]; however it was not initially published until 1991. Most sources (there are many), even those published in the 1940s, reflect and add to the details of that info. The most scholarly source I've found thus far is however this [5] (last line and next page), which I may purchase so I can see what the non-viewable footnote says. Softlavender (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC); edited Softlavender (talk) 04:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, I live just round the corner from Langtry Manor, so I thought I might chip in if I may. There does seem a lot of stuff out there asserting the Lillie Langtry connection. A recent bio of Langtry says that Bertie built the place for her and paints a vivid picture of the couple enjoying their time there, but alas, doesn't really stand up to any scrutiny. The author notes that such information was "passed down by word-of-mouth through the various tenants to the family who currently run the house as a hotel" and that "It is not clear exactly when the building was started and finished. The Derbys from whom the land was supposedly bought, have no records of the transaction."[6]

I'm not sure whether Jane Ridley's book will help, as our article notes that "..Ridley, with privileged access to the Prince of Wales’s diaries and other Royal Archives, states that there is no contemporary evidence that the Prince had any connection with the Red House or ever went or stayed there." My guess is that this story originates (mistakenly or otherwise) with someone connected to Langtry Manor back in the mists of time, and that a succession of owners, up to and including the current lot, have been playing the royal connection for all it's worth – which has probably amounted to a fair old sum over the years. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 04:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Hillbillyholiday, that's a start. However the same Prof. Jane Ridley, in the same book, states clearly that the house was owned by Lillie Langtry, whether or not Bertie ever went there: [7] (last line and next page). The problem with AnthonyCamp's sources is that he hasn't provided viewable access to any of them, and he also appears to be doing a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH, and moreover he seems to have an agenda. By the way the link to Lillie Langtry: Manners, Masks and Morals that you posted to does not show a viewable page for me [8] (perhaps because of UK/US copyright differences), only the main GoogleBooks page for the book, so I'd have to purchase that book to verify what it says (especially as it sounds like Ridley contradicts it). Anyway thanks again! :-) Softlavender (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I can't view the page in Ridley to which you linked. It seems another(?) Mr A Camp has done a lot of research on this subject for his book Royal Mistresses and Bastards. He says Ridley's 2002 book (p. 206) and further investigation has disproved the suggestion completely. . He also says "The first proprietors ... named it the Manor Heath Hotel and from July 1938 actively advertised it in newspapers, producing also a brochure saying that the house was 'built originally for Lily Langtry'" Presumably where the supposed connection started. Just to add to the confusion, Andy Camp's additions to the article seem to be violating the copyright of Anthony Camp's work. [9] (very long text, you may need to search "days i knew") So you would be justified in removing the whole "Langtry legend" section, bar the last sentence. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 05:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Silly me, I mistyped AnthonyCamp's username above in my reply to you (now fixed), so it's the same person. I'll read your reply more thoroughly and respond.... Softlavender (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. I thought they might be the same fella but didn't want to be accused of outing.. ;)

What a mess! For what it's worth, it seems that he is a very thorough and credible researcher. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 06:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree. Thanks so much for finding that link; excellent sleuthing! I read through the whole info there on the Red House and it does seems to be airtight. I think that settles it. Well, at least I knew whose talk-page to post this query on! ;-) Perhaps we should all put Langtry Manor and Lillie Langtry on our watchlists, to save AnthonyCamp from the exhausting ritual of being the sole protector of that information (and keeping out the misinformation) -- he previously wasn't very active on Wikipedia (edit count is still only 229) so I'm sure he would appreciate the eyeballs. Also, with his permission (my links to his userpage are not pings in these discussions), I think that link would be good to add as a citation or External Link on the Langtry Manor article; it might have seemed borderline WP:COI if he had done it himself, but it's great and exhaustive research and will help keep out the spam from the hotel. (BTW, by the time I had finished posting the OP, I had ordered a very cheap copy of Ridley's book [I'm interested in Bertie generally anyway] and I may do the same with the Langtry bio as I am interested in her.) Thanks again all and sundry, especially Hillbillyholiday for your research, and Marnette for her talk page! Softlavender (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Nay worries, it was slightly surprising to find the whole Langtry connection is unlikely. Anyway, a very merry Christmas to you!

And to MarnetteD too, happy holidays. I do hope you get to tuck into some tasty roast peacock! --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 06:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

UPDATE: I went ahead and added the Anthony Camp material as a citation. We don't really need his permission, and it is the most exhaustive material on the subject available. Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 10:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like I slept right through this interesting conversation - and that isn't the first time. Softlavender thanks for starting this thread and Hillbillyholiday thanks, very much, for chiming in with your knowledge and expertise. The TV serial with Francesca Annis is one of my favorites of the late 70s. I remember so many scenes so well including the one you mention S. Seems the writers (including David Butler) got taken in by the marketing for the hotel as well :-( Cheers and Happy Holidays to you both! MarnetteD|Talk 18:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Emily Langton Langton

At the risk of wearing out my welcome: Emily Langton Langton is quite an interesting person/subject (more about which later). But I just wanted to inform y'all that the mystery of "They say – what say they? Let them say" has been solved. Emily used it again in the interior of the progressive women's club, the Pioneer Club, which she founded in 1892 at 180 Regent Street, London: [10]. Very cool! Softlavender (talk) 02:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

OMG excellent find and research Softlavender. Very interesting - makes me wonder if the writers of LL knowingly wrote it for her say or if it was some phrase that they had heard years before and (forgetting the original source) thought it appropriate. We'll never know of course. Just listening to this The Bells of Dublin as I type. I hope that your Xmas Eve and day are magical. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

No, the Red House had it originally because Emily Langton Langton inscribed it there. Then with the hotel myth-spinning it was coopted as a Lillie Langtry motto instead, with a different meaning. (I think the quote itself is from Shaw supposedly ancient Scots; in any case it gained a currency in the UK in the 1860s and even Shaw inscribed it over his fireplace it seems.) Album looks good -- I found the title track on YouTube and am checking it out. Happy Christmas Eve! Softlavender (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2015 (UTC); edited 03:08, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that Softlavender. Back in the 90s The Chieftans did a Nov-Dec tour playing some of the songs on the album as well as other ones. I saw them several times over the years. They were wonderful entertainers as well as first rate musicians. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:54, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Welcome to my hell. lol CrashUnderride 01:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry you are having to deal with this Crash Underride. Just so you know there is a wide range of scented Troll-be-Gone available. This one may need a 55 gallon drums worth. MarnetteD|Talk 01:22, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

True, but I was thinking a small tactical nuclear device full of the stuff, subtly placed and poof, gone. lol CrashUnderride 01:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

If only this would work. Cheers Crash Underride MarnetteD|Talk 01:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

lol That made my day. :D CrashUnderride 01:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Glad I could help :-) Looks like a block has been applied. Sadly they claim they will be back. Enjoy the last week of 2015 in spite of all of this Crash Underride. MarnetteD|Talk 01:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

You as well. CrashUnderride 01:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Protection templates

Hey MarnetteD! Hope the new year is treating you well :) The bot task I've been working on just got approved for trial, but only removing protection templates from pages that aren't protected. So if you don't mind, while I try to get the production environment up and running, refrain from fixing such pages so I can show the bot can do it. All other scenarios, e.g. missing expiry, etc, the bot is not doing and we're still depending on you for those! :) Many many thanks for all your assistance in working with me on this! — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

That is good news MusikAnimal. I hope that it goes well. If I see anything that looks funky I will let you know about it. If you have the time would you do me a favor - both the Green Day and the Hank Goldberg articles need fixes to get them out of the category. They are both fully protected so I can't get in there to do anything.. My New Year has been chilly but otherwise it is going well. I hope that yours is a moving along smoothly. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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I've given out about 200 of these. I keep a list of who is approaching 100K and sometimes I see someone moving up the list and I look forward to being able to congratulate them on their special accomplishment. I don't think we have ever worked together but whenever I come across your entries on talk pages, I'm enriched by your way of being. Buster Seven Talk

Thanks for this post and your kind words Buster7. I have a vague memory that we bumped into each other somewhere in my 10+ years here but I'm not sure where. It is nice of you to keep track of people moving up the list and presenting them with these. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Possibly when Buster7 sent me one in June 2014. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Possibly R, but I was thinking farther back. That is the problem with having edited here for so many years now. Things from last decade are starting to fade into the mists of time :-) I hope that your 2016 is off to a good start! MarnetteD|Talk 01:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Ahem

I gave you a **full explanation** of what I was doing, in my edit summary. Furthermore, I have every right to create new categories in that fashion -- as I have done **countless** times. So don't ever do that to me again or I will see to it that you are sanctioned. Are we clear? Cgingold (talk) 03:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I have seen countless red cats created with no intention of them being turned blue.. You do know that you can create the cat without putting a red one in the article first don't you? If not check out the guidelines at Wikipedia:Categorization. As to your threats they are laughable, childish and meaningless. But please feel free to do whatever you feel necessary. MarnetteD|Talk 03:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

• Cgingold, Marnette is and was correct. You should never add a redlinked category to an article. Always create the actual category first by giving the category itself parent categories. Softlavender (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Bowie

The spooky thing is that I was only watching The Man Who Fell to Earth yesterday! RIP.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

That does seem to be rather a transcendental ​experience, Blowers ... a little unnerving. Great talent. Sad news to wake up to. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

A strange fellow, but as you say, a great talent, particularly at acting I thought.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I only heard this sad news this morning. A real talent who will be missed. I was lucky enough to see him in The Elephant Man (play) circa 1980. The producers were testing him out here in Denver to see if he could take over for Philip Anglim in the Broadway production. It was a remarkable performance. MarnetteD|Talk 16:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Only yesterday, I was listening to Pin Ups --Redrose64 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

In the BBC News interviews televised throughout Monday, Bowie declared several times that he did not consider himself a pop/rock 'n' roll singer but an actor. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 09:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd definitely heard him say that in the past --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 10:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the posts everyone! The Spitting Images clip is hilarious H!! My newspaper (yes I still read one) listed Bowie's EM performances as late July and early August 1980. It is still the largest box office take for a single run of a play in that theatre's history. Cheers to you all. MarnetteD|Talk 18:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

To my talk page watchers. I just found this website which as some info and excellent pics of DB in The Elephant Man. MarnetteD|Talk 01:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

"This will take a bit of getting used to ..."

Millennium Stadium renamed Principality Stadium ... [11]
Cheers M! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Because Wales is, like Monaco, a principality now? Won't Charles be proud! Softlavender (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Ouch! Don't resuscitate that old chestnut [12]! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

There is a Prince of Wales, so there is also a Principality of Wales. Besides, the minnellium was fifteen years ago, so it's old hat now. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Regardless of when the "minnellium" was, this is still the third millennium AD, and I'm proud to support it! Softlavender (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the update Gareth Griffith-Jones. I don't know how often stadium name changes happen on your side of the pond but, sadly, they are frequent over here. We can even get two names spliced together for one place like Sports Authority Field at Mile High. If they draw my six numbers for the huge powerball lottery tonight I will happily get us tickets to see Wales play in that stadium no matter what the name is :-) MarnetteD|Talk 20:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

RIP Alan Rickman

:-( Can't believe he's gone; we were just talking about him. He seemed immortal. Softlavender (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Only 69 and, like Bowie, died from having cancer which had not previously been publically known. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

And Lemmy... what a week. Unbelievable. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 13:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Jaysus! Say it ain't so!! --Drmargi (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

First time I heard about this. So much for my day being off to a good start. :( DonIago (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

What a rotten week. I first saw him as Tybalt in the 1978 BBC Television Shakespeare#Romeo .26 Juliet. While the Die Hard and Harry Potter films will get the most mentions today I can highly recommend Truly, Madly, Deeply - Love Actually is a fave of Gareth's and mine - his other films with Emma Thompson Sense and Sensibility and The Song of Lunch are very special. Another one worth seeing is the HBO film Something the Lord Made where he plays Dr. Alfred Blalock. He and Bowie sure gave us a lot of wonderful performances. RIP AR. My deepest commiserations to everyone. MarnetteD|Talk 15:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps one of the most underrated of today's actors. I first saw him on Broadway in 87, not knowing who he was, and was blown away by his performance. One of my mentors, the director Michael Gordon, once told me: There are many fine actors, but you can tell the great ones by watching them when they aren't speaking, when they are not the center of attention. Rickman was a master of that. Whether it was his realization moment in Die Hard when he figures out the Bruce Willis connection, the moment in Love, Actually when he is confronted by his wife, or any of the several moments as Snapes (pick one), the man listened. The man thought. But for me, and some may think me silly, one of the best moments he had on-screen was in a comedy, Galaxy Quest, as he sat holding a dying alien. When you can create that type of emotion, in the midst of a flat-out comedy. That's acting. RIP Alexander Dane. To paraphrase, "By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be remembered!" Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this post Onel5969. I was remiss in leaving Qalaxy Quest off my list. Do you remember the name of the play you saw him in? I wish I had been in the audience of any play that he performed in. MarnetteD|Talk 19:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely - it was Dangerous Liaisons, although they used the French spelling, if I remember correctly. He may have won the Tony for it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

How wonderful Onel5969. Here is a link to the article for the play Les Liaisons Dangereuses (Hampton play) for any of my talk page watchers who want to read about it. MarnetteD|Talk 21:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

And I see he was only nominated for the Tony, losing out to Darth Vader in Fences, which was also a wonderful play I happened to see that year. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Rickman too now, oddly the same age too. I think my favourite role of his is Sense and Sensibility.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 12:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

So richly deserved. Many congratulations MarnetteD. Best, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Here here. Congratulations. Such an apt recipient. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations! Thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia a great place. Go Phightins! 13:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations on another well deserved award to put on your shelf. It comes with a ton of thanks for all you do for Wikipedia. You thought nobody noticed, didn't you? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 13:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

MelanieN Thank you so much for nominating me for this award and thanks to you L235 for seconding it. Many thanks also to Buster7, David J Johnson, Onel5969 and Go Phightins! for your kind messages. MelanieN when I clicked on the blue dot and read that more than four people had left messages here my thought was "Oh no how many trolls left screeds that had to be reverted?" so this really is a most pleasant surprise! Thanks again to all. MarnetteD|Talk 16:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

So well deserved, MD! I'm so pleased to see your contribution recognized!! --Drmargi (talk) 21:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Drmargi. Much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 21:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

First Class News! Could not go to a more deserving chap in my view.
I am tempted to write "Hear, Hear", but would hate to draw attention to Bil's little faux pas ... whoops! I have ... — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks Gareth Griffith-Jones :-) MarnetteD|Talk 01:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations! This is well-deserved. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you DBaK. Your message is much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 18:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:18, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Eagle RIP

Yet more sad news to wake up to [13] One of my top two bands. Only 67. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 08:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Another great talent lost. I had the privilege to work with Frey back in the 80s on his video for "Smuggler's Blues". Incredibly talented, and a very nice human being. He will be missed. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the posts Gareth Griffith-Jones and Onel5969. Early in the 20th anniversary Dr Who special The Five Doctors the fifth Dr says "It is like great chunks of my past are being ripped away." Well. that is what the last week and a half has felt like for me. Best regards to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 15:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Pseudonyms in film cast

I noticed your edit to The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, and I was curious about your comment that the MOS recommends the name exactly as credited be listed first. Can you point me to the guideline you're referring to? I can't find it at MOS:FILM... Just curious, as this recommendation is opposite to what I would generally have expected to see (though in this case I think it looks fine either way). --Fru1tbat (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Fru1tbat. Thanks for your question. At some point I thought that WP:FILMCAST stated that credits are to be listed as shown onscreen. It is also possible that there was a discussion about it that never got transferred to the MOS. That happens a lot with the film project. In any event that is how I have always worked with cast lists in film articles. I also know that there have been discussions (in the distant past) about not emulating IMDb which is why one of my edit summaries reads as it does. OTOH since I can't point to an exact place where either of those is stated - and since it isn't a major deal - if you want to change it back - please feel free to do so - if the other editor hasn't already that is :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 18:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

In this case, I think I'm fine with either version. My assumption in general was that the name with more real-world context (the actor) would take precedence over the pseudonym or name variation they happened to use in that particular film (in this case, a joke from the film itself), so the form "actor (credited as pseudonym) as role" or something similar seemed more logical. It was more curiosity than anything else, but I'll poke around for some more history on the subject. Thanks for the response! -Fru1tbat (talk)

Thanks to you as well for taking the time to explain your line of reasoning Fru1tbat. It is appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 19:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Endeavour title

I've asked Cyphoidbomb to semi the Endeavour article for a couple weeks, which should give our Beijing IP a chance to get bored and move on. Do you think there's any point in trying to discuss on the talk page? I'm not sure it would accomplish anything. --Drmargi (talk) 02:39, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Hard to say Drmargi. On the one hand it is worth having the talk page thread to point editors, now and in the future, to. OTOH it is unlikely to change this one persons attitude toward the situation. MarnetteD|Talk 02:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I'll give 'er a go. --Drmargi (talk) 03:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I just warned the little toe rag at his latest IP talk page, and started a discussion. Let's see if it has any effect. He just reverted again. --Drmargi (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

You explained things clearly and succinctly Drmargi. Hopefully they will learn something. MarnetteD|Talk 03:38, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

As with Lewis, Endeavour was always intended to be a series, the stand-alone film was intented to try if its concept is sucecessful and therefore should be regarded as part of the series, the Endeavour shown in opening credit should be treated as the title of the series instead of this pilot episode, just like the pilot episode of Lewis is also a stand-alone film shown in the previous year of its first series with its title never shown in the opening credit, but later its working title reavealed as 'Reputation', and the pilot episode of George Gently is also a stand-alone film shown in the previous year of its first series with its title never shown in the opening credit, but later reavealed as 'Gently Go Man' because it's based on the book of the same name by Alan Hunter. We don't know the title of the pilot episode of Endeavour , but no way the pilot episode is called Endeavour, the same as the series title, otherwise it would be ridiculous. Therefore the title should be Pilot of just left blank. I wonder if it's you who asked to block my IP address. If so then I suggest you to regard yourself as a responsible and rational individual and change the title back or talk with me and tell me your reasons instead of hiding under differents accounts. Besides, I suggest you to respect the talk page guidelines, watch your language and aplogize to me for your inproper abuse. --114.64.251.196 (talk) 09:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

No Endeavour was not "always" intended to be a lead in to a series. What went in with GG is not relevant. Your accusations cannot be backed up with any proof so please do not post here again. New posts will be removed unread. MarnetteD|Talk 13:49, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. What happened on any other show has no bearing on Endeavour or on Lewis, both of which were filmed and broadcast as one-off films, as was well-publicized at the time of their broadcast. In fact, the idea of making a series from Lewis came about because of viewer requests for one; it was intended simply to give Robbie Lewis's story an ending, just as Endeavour was intended to explore the origins of Morse in a film. --Drmargi (talk) 19:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Do you guys need any admin help with this and related articles? If so ping me. --MelanieN (talk) 14:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note MelanieN. The articles in question could use page protection. At this time the IP is making changes that do not fit WP:MOSTV. The accusations are annoying but worse has been posted here over the years. Cheers and have an enjoyable weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 14:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I have put brief protection on Agatha Christie's Poirot, Agatha Christie's Marple, and Foyle's War (series 1) because of edit warring and addition of unsourced material. Ironically, I did not find it necessary to protect Endeavour (TV series) at this time, because it looks as if the IP has stopped edit warring over the title and transferred the argument to the talk page - meanwhile attempting to make constructive edits to the article. --MelanieN (talk) 15:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the followup MelanieN. Sadly the editing pattern has continued on other articles. I provided links to the relevant policies on the talk page for the Endeavour article. I can only hope that they will be read. MarnetteD|Talk 16:51, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well, Melanie. I'm sorry the problem spread; the IP seems to have been following me to other British shows and reverting out of spite. --Drmargi (talk) 19:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

RIP AV

Thanks for your wonderful performances Abe Vigoda. I've always found it a curious and fun coincidence that Tessio - who could make one sleep with the fish - was played by the same man who portrayed Fish in Barney Miller. MarnetteD|Talk 23:30, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks, but I am literally just about to fall asleep. Feel free to move any comments I accidentally made on user pages to talk pages. If not, I'll look in the morning. μηδείς (talk) 03:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

And now Frank Findlay

I just read about the passing of Frank Finlay. This one is as sad as any of the others from this month. I first saw him as Iago in Olivier's film Othello (1965 film) and even though I was young I found his performance memorable. So many wonderful roles followed - I will mention three where, for me, he gave the definitive performance of the character.

1. Giacomo Casanova in Dennis Potter's Casanova (1971 TV serial)
2. Porthos in The Three Musketeers (1973), The Four Musketeers (1975) and The Return of the Musketeers (1989)
3. Van Helsing in the BBC Count Dracula (1977) with Louis Jourdan as Dracula.

Thank your Mr Findlay for giving me so many wonderful memories. MarnetteD|Talk 23:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd add Tennison's father in Prime Suspect. --Drmargi (talk) 03:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Good choice DM. MarnetteD|Talk 04:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Rod Steiger on screen and stage

I have added you as one of the co-nominators for the list's FLC, as you have been quite a lot involved with the article. The archive for the nomination can be seen here. Thank you. -- Frankie _talk 14:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know Frankie. I've put the page on my watchlist. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

AN notification

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I'm just the messenger. And it will probably be closed by the time you read this, anyway. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Making random selections

Hi, MarnetteD - I'm testing the waters for a new WikiProject I created and would be very appreciative if you'd provide some input. It's still in its embryonic stages of development, but it's basic purpose is to get WP articles recognized for meeting certain criteria and quality standards in order to open doors for consideration of a certain level of protection on those articles while still maintaining the open edit platform. Take a look at what I've started and see what you think. I maintain faith that if we organize and coordinate qualified project teams and collaborate with specific goals in mind, the project is not only feasible, it could be an extremely positive approach to editor retention, outreach programs, and establishing WP as an accurate and trustworthy source that academics and researchers would not hesitate to cite. If done properly, it will also help bring more qualified editors into the mix because exceptional work should be provided some level of protection. It's an ambitious undertaking, and I recognize that I'm going to need lots of help from qualified editors. Thanks in advance....Atsme^📞📧 23:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

February 6, 2016 at last!

Lovely clean, clear Talk page • • • just waiting for the "Six Nations" to begin this afternoon.
All the best M for a lovely weekend! — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  10:43, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder Gareth. I am so late getting on WikiP that it has probably already started. A check of my TV schedule shows that we are getting the matches tape delayed like last year :-( Best luck to you!! MarnetteD|Talk 17:28, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Bad news. This year BBC One is sharing the tourny with the ITV (TV network). Today's two opening matches were on BBC One, but tomorrow's—Ireland v Wales, to be played in Dublin—is on ITV.
I am guessing you won't get to see it. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  20:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Different commentators, plus commercials. Boo. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Commercials - arrrrgh. That is just awful. My commiserations to you both. The only thing worse is if they come during the play. The little gridiron game played here tomorrow evening will stop play every few minutes to jam another 3 or 4 commercials down our throats. :-( MarnetteD|Talk 21:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

ITV have been televising the World Cups; commercials have never interupted the two halves. They have been shown just before the start, at start and end of the half-time break, and before the discussion. The "bad news" is your not seeing some of the matches. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  20:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Our coverage of the BPL does not have commercials during the course of play. Or maybe I should say they don't "break for commercials." We do get some mini adverts in the upper right hand corner of the screen. Do they force this stuff on you? MarnetteD|Talk 21:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

No. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  21:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Whew that is good news. :-) MarnetteD|Talk 21:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Gareth it turns out that the US broadcasts are not affected by the split of the TV coverage in the UK. All of them will be on the same network here. While they still aren't shown live two of the three will be shown on the same day that they were played. This is an improvement over last year and means that I won't have to do as much to avoid seeing the scores before watching them :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I am pleased. Now that is GOOD NEWS.
This year there was no match on Friday evening, two yesterday and one today. On the final day there will be three; that has been the case for many years. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  18:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Please do not consign this thread to the dustbin of history

I just finished watching War and Peace (2016 TV series), and immediately thereafter I purchased the full-length uncut DVD from Amazon UK (it's out now): [14]. Such a great watch; I cried at least three times. Fun also to see people on Twitter loving it and tweeting/raving about it from the UK, U.S., Australia, Europe, and even Russia! There were a few things that didn't click for me, but overall a very nice evocation of the book. Actors all well chosen, and they tended to inform my visualization of them as I read the novel just ahead of each episode's airing. I expect that Paul Dano (Pierre) will win the BAFTA, and will probably be at least nominated for a Golden Globe and an Emmy. The series itself will probably receive nominations as well and may win some. Anyway, just wanted to give my report! Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 08:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the series Softlavender. I look forward to seeing this version of Tolstoy's tale one day. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 15:08, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protection template deletion at Islam

Are you sure you weren't thinking of full protection? Islam has been semi-protected for years. Eperoton (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Eperoton. I work with the Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates and today the Islam article was in it. Before removing the template I checked the articles log and it shows that the editing protection expired at 00:05, 11 February 2016 {UTC} - the other way I knew that it had expired was that there was no pinkish orange warning box above the editing field. So my removal of the "pp-semi" template cleared it from the category. The "pp-move" protection is permanent and is still in place as is the template noting it. There is a difference between editing protection and move protection. Pending changes protection is different yet again from both of those. If you are aware of that my apologies for repeating what you already know. I should point out that the last editing protection before the one placed there on 8 Feb expired in 2010. As to the state of the article I am surprised that it hasn't been hit with problematic edits since the protection expired. If you think the protection should be restored please make sure and file a request at WP:RFPP. I hope this helps to explain what is going on. Best regards to you. MarnetteD|Talk 01:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not well versed in protection mechanics. I wonder if maybe the recent setting of temporary full protection caused permanent semi-protection to be turned off. I'll ping Peacemaker67 who set the full protection before going to RFPP. I'm assuming that the page was permanently semi-protected, since I don't see any IP edits going back several years. Eperoton (talk) 01:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

It was indef semi for quite some years, and given a new account began disrupting immediately after the full protection lapsed, I've re-instated the indef semi. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:46, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I see what you are getting at and I am pretty (99.8%) that you are right. When, on 9 Feb, Peacemaker67 "changed protection level for Islam [Edit=Allow only administrators] (expires 00:05, 11 February 2016) [Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite)" it did supersede the permanent protection that Courcelles had placed back in 2010 since it did have an expiry time. As you can see I've pinged C as well in case any of my guesses are off the mark. If memory serves Peacemaker67 recently became an admin (and congrats on that) and, thus, may not have been aware what changing the protection would bring about. I hadn't seen anything quite like this before (and thus the errors in my first post) so I have learned something new to take forward in my working with that cat so thanks again for working with me on this Eperoton. MarnetteD|Talk 01:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Oops. I missed your post Peacemaker67. Thanks for clearing things up and for taking care of the protection for the page. Cheers to all. MarnetteD|Talk 01:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Great. Thanks to both of you. Peacemaker67, just to make sure the new user doesn't get into trouble without cause: their last couple of edits look like edit warring by pure coincidence of comparable edit sizes. Eperoton (talk) 01:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, previous protection states are not remembered, although they are logged. For articles that exist, there are two actions that can be protected - edit and move; and each of these two can have any one of four protection levels (none, semi, template, full) set for it, they don't need to be the same for both. Any protection level (other than "none") can be either indefinite, or be given an expiry time. When that expiry time is reached, the prot level drops right back to "none", regardless of the prot history. So, if an article has indef semi prot for editing, and you alter it to a fixed-duration full prot (for editing), then when the expiry is reached it doesn't return to semi-protected but becomes unprotected (for editing). --Redrose64 (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Policy discussion in progress

There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects the capitalization of "I Like It Like That", a question in which you previously participated. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — LlywelynII 11:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Saturday, February 13

Spare a thought, M, for Scotland when they come to Cardiff in the Six Nations on Saturday. Fresh from a seventh consecutive defeat against England in the Calcutta Cup, they face Wales, who they have not beaten in eight games since 2007. For Wales, that is a winning run that is better than anything Wales did against Scotland in the legendary 1970s.
However, Wales played against Ireland last Sunday, whereas Scotland versus England was last Saturday, so that extra day of recovery might make a difference.
Have a great weekend! — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  14:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info G I just finished watching an hour long show which recapped last weekends matches. Even better all three of this weekends fixtures are being shown on the same day that they are played - still not airing live but getting closer :-) MarnetteD|Talk 15:08, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

That's good. Tomorrow kicks off with France hosting Ireland. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  16:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I bought some beer today. GBP 5.00 (inc. 20% VAT) for three 500 ml bottles - excluding tax that's about US$ 6.00 for three 17 fl. oz (US) bottles. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:56, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I hope that you enjoy them as you watch the rugby Redrose64. Thanks for the note in the thread above as well. My DVD set of the final season of Lewis arrived and I've finished the first story. Gosh this really is the end of a TV era. I'll bet Whately had no idea back when filming started in 86 that the role would become such a major part of his career. I am getting all nostalgic thinking about this and I am going to have to watch to The Dead of Jericho before watching the final story. It is an interesting coincidence that Lewis is finishing with 33 stories since that is the same number that were made for Morse. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 01:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I first came across Kevin Whately in the first episode of Auf Wiedersehen, Pet - I saw the whole of the first series first time around: seven main characters, seven actors with little or no previous TV work - I'd never heard of any of them before, except for Pat Roach who had previously appeared on TV several times in his main job, that of professional wrestler (this was proper wrestling, not scripted playacting, and it disappeared from British TV round about the time that WWF arrived here in the 1980s). Auf Wiedersehen, Pet put a rocket under the careers of all seven, but only six continued to be prominent - Gary Holton died during the second series. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this new post Redrose64. For some reason AW,P never aired where I live. Roach is so memorable in his fight scene with Ryan O'Neal in Barry Lyndon that I kept my eye out for him after that. I've always wondered how he got that gash in the upper section of his left arm. He is the answer to a trivia question that I have tripped more than a few people with - "Which actor, other than Harrison Ford, appeared in the first three Indiana Jones films?" Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:59, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Michael Hordern FAC

...has been started here. Thanks once again for all you help. Cassianto^Talk 17:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Glad I could help Cassianto. I will follow the FAC and give any assistance there that I can. Best wishes. MarnetteD|Talk 17:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Strangelove

Where does it say one had to join the NSDAP to be a Nazi? The majority happily paid taxes, bore arms, worked, cheered, saluted the Fuehrer. Oh and built rockets. Even after all the de-nazification, the Nazism never really went out of many them. Ever talk with people from back then? Whatever, it's a minor point if Dr Strangelove was or wasn't. Always good to debate with you, it's been a while hasn't it. SlightSmile 19:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Slightsmile. It is good to hear from you again - er I mean read what you have written :-) Don't you mean "Merkwuerdigliebe" more grins There is some interesting info here Nazism#Etymology. I don't know that it bolsters either of our positions on the subject. What I will say is that descriptions like this in a cast section are an extension of WP:FILMPLOT and, thus, should stick to what is seen onscreen and avoid an editors personal interpretation of what we see. This weekend is jammed with stuff to watch on DVD and cable (including the Wales v Scotland rugby match) but I would enjoy seeing the film again and if the wording is there I will restore the sentence. If you get to it before I do please feel free to do the same. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I had to Wiktionary Merkwuerdigliebe as me no German can speak good. Strangeness, oddity - I'm not sure I follow. They didn't say the words "He is a Nazi" as such but the way the camera emphasized his comical arm out motions (Nazi salute) implied how his Nazi background is part of the movie's character development. It's been a long time since I've seen it so maybe I'm not remembering it right. It's a good movie but not enough to watch three times. Judgment at Nuremberg on the other hand can watch many times and is loaded with wisdoms about collective responsibility. SlightSmile 20:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh I am sorry Slightsmile. Merkwuerdigliebe is the name they use for him at one point in the film. It is a funny aside when one man, in hushed tones, is describing Stangelove's past to another. I always make the mistake of thinking everyone has seen the film as many times (way more than three :-) I'm afraid) as I have. I am glad that you like JaN. So many powerful performances and I always like seeing Shatner before Kirk took over his life. I had a Stanley Kramer (the other SK) film festival last year. The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T is very a odd and trippy film but it is much more like reading Seuss then any of the films based on his works made since 2000. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 21:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh I get it now. Merkwuerdig Strange liebe love. Duh. Which way did he go. SlightSmile 22:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

You've probably already seen but I found a ref so all is copacetic. MarnetteD|Talk 22:08, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Valentine Greets!!!

Valentine Greets!!!

Hello MarnetteD, love is the language of hearts and is the feeling that joins two souls and brings two hearts together in a bond. Taking love to the level of Wikipedia, spread the WikiLove by wishing each other Happy Valentine's Day, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm love on the eve, Happy editing, Happy Valentine's Day M. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 23:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Valentine Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank you so much Callmemirela. Your message adds a special glow to the day. I hope that you have a delightful week! MarnetteD|Talk 00:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Sinatra

Hi MD, can you put the Frank Sinatra article on your watchlist? Any page stalkers too. Some edits are getting through which are not necessarily an improvement. Just had to remove POV from it which should have been reverted by now. This is the downside I guess for writing such an article, it's vulnerable to degradation!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Will do Dr B. MarnetteD|Talk 15:40, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Mistake

You make a mistake.In fact, the movie Knights of the Roundtable: King Arthur shall be released on cinemas in 2017 anmd not in 2016.You can find it on IMDB, on the page itself (Knights of the Roundtable: King Arthur) and on site Variety, such us here that I present you:[15] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.212.188 (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:RS/IMDB that site cannot be used as a ref. MarnetteD|Talk 21:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

LVD

I haven't checked my TARDIS wikia page in a while, and found this commentary. Thought you might find it amusing. Interesting timing too.  :) --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Repel All Boarders ‖ 09:42, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Interesting stuff Ebyabe. I think you are right about the timing as well as everything else. Who is pictured in the earned badges? It is a little too small for me to make it out. On another note are you watching the "Dr's Notes" reruns on BBCA? There have been some interesting tidbits of info. I am interested to see if they own up to their mistake of having a Mexican flag (sic - I've read that it was an Italian flag reversed to sub for the flag of Mexico) on the Truth or Consequences, New Mexico cops uniform in "The Zygon Invasion". It leapt out at me when I saw it last October. New Mexico Magazine has a feature called One of Our 50 is Missing and I wonder if this gaff will show up in it in a future issue. Thanks again for the heads up and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 15:32, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Actress...

Hola! Re: this reversion of yours, when I saw the IP change all of the actors to actresses, I really wanted to smack him into the 21st century. "Do you still call them stewardesses, grandpa?!" [smack!] "She's a doctor, not a doctress!" [smack!] "Mechanictrix?! Are you shitting me?!" [throttle!] Ahhh. That felt good. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yep Cyphoidbomb. Add to the list poetess, authoress and aviatrix. I've dealt with it for over a decade but this one is a case where WikiP prefers to stay in the paternalistic claptrap world of a bygone era. Have a pleasant weekend!! MarnetteD|Talk 17:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Oops almost forgot to mention (and you may have already seen) the IP is yet another sock of banned editor Bigshowandkane64. This one truly does not get it. MarnetteD|Talk 17:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Ponyo got 'im. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Can I please just mention "comedienne" here as well? Thank you so much. <FX: Teeth-grinding noises offstage> Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely DBaK. Thanks for stopping by! MarnetteD|Talk 22:36, 19 February 2016 (UTC)