User talk:Mariam110906

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Hurrem Sultan. You have not explained the changes nor provided sources. Your contribution is against the references already embedded in the article. Merangs (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

She is not from Ukraine , Rohatyn! Rohatyn appeared in 1939 year, after Polish-Ukrainian war. Before Rohatyn's territory was in Poland. When Hurrem lived Rohatyn's territory was in Kingdom of Poland. And there lived Poland people. Hurrem sultan Russian or Poland. She is not Ukrainian. In historical documents of Topkapi palace were written that Hurrem sultan is Russian. Don't write nonsense! Mariam110906 (talk) 07:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

That "nonsense" as you said has been embedded in the article for a bit. She was born a Ruthenian who spoke Ruthenian in Ruthenia (which was then part of the Kingdom of Poland). Ukraine and Ruthenia in this instance are synonymous and one preceded the other. Please do not add Russia. There is no source for that. Your edits are not constructive. Merangs (talk) 07:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

In archives of Topkapi palace were written that she is Russian. I am repeating againg. Archives of Topkapy were written in 16-century in ottoman language. Archives of Topkapy unlike modern source confirmed. And "she was born a Ruthenian " is not fact. Turhan Sultan was born in Ruthenia , not Hurrem Sultan. And if Ruthenia and Ukraine are synonymous , this doesn't mean that Ruthenians are Ukrains.Ukraine and Ukrains did not exist then. Mariam110906 (talk) 07:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Ruthenians are precursors to modern-day Ukrainians. Ruthenia in Latin is Russiae or also simply Rus, hence the mistake. She was not from the Grand Duchy of Moscow which was a precursor to what we now know as Russia. One can say of "Rus" origin for Hurrem Sultan. "Russia(n)" was a loose term for anyone descended from the Kyivan Rus, which at the time when she was born did not exist and was split between a few countries. Do you have your sources? Currently it's a bit of WP:POV. Merangs (talk) 07:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

The ancestors of the Rusyns are Slavic tribes that lived on the territory of the Carpathians on the territory of modern Ukraine, Slovakia and Hungary. Cut off from the neighboring tribes, which gradually united into the Polish, Ukrainian and Slovak nations by the relief, and then by the state borders, the Rusyns became isolated, while maintaining, however, a special closeness with the Ukrainians.That means that Ukrainian and Ruthenian are different folks. There was Kievan Rus. Then everything was disconnected and the state of Ukraine appeared, and the people who lived there were Ukrainians.Hurrem cannot be Ukrainian for one simple fact - at that time the place where she was born took place to be in another state + Ukraine was not. Rohatyn especially.She was either Polish or Russian. Slavic, in general, that's for sure.Little Russians are precursors to modern-day Ukrainians. She was not little russian.She was from Grand Duchy of Moscow .Archives of Topkapi palace were written about that. Mariam110906 (talk) 07:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Then that would make her Russian indeed, but where are these archives. Where are these sources? An overwhelming majority of references (published and online) claim that she was Ruthenian. Merangs (talk) 07:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Russian,Polish,Kazakh etc source were written about that.These archives locating in Topkapi palace.She wasn't Ruthenian. I wrote that before. I am Turkish . I know own history.Mariam110906 (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Turkish Wikipedia claims Ruthenian? Could you provide links? Alternatively, start a Wikipedia:Requests for comment on Talk:Hurrem Sultan so others can join the conversation and express their view. Merangs (talk) 12:00, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Turkish Wikipedia claims that she is Polish. And there were written that her Ukrainian version is legend. https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCrrem_Sultan#K%C3%B6keni They wrote information which I told you. Mariam110906 (talk) 12:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Mariam110906: - Well that's just false. Poles are Catholics and did not inhabit Ruthenia in the majority. Even if she was born under Polish territorial occupation (Ruthenia became occupied by Poland after the Galicia–Volhynia Wars), that does not make her Polish in any sense or form. There was no sense of nationality back then. Sadly, I do not write Turkish to fix this. Merangs (talk) 13:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Galicia and Volhynia clearly not Rohatyn.+ This is not a fact that she was born in Ruthenia. There is no information anywhere that she is from Ruthenia. Don't confuse her with Turhan Sultan.Wikipedias like you write whatever they want - whatever is false.Sultan Suleyman wrote to Sigismund II Augustus that "Hurrem sultan is my wife and your sister". That's why that many people think that she is Polish.And so in the documents of those times were written(in ottoman language) that she is Russian.Else Hurrem Sultan was in correspondence with the Russian king Vasily 3 in Russian language.It is confirmed information. All archives in Topkapi palace with confirmation. We Turkish people know her like that.In modern time she is known like a slavic. However,I won't let my own history be written wrong!If you will go to the Topkapi palace , you shold read the archives.To know for yourself.What you writting is not a fact. Good bye!Mariam110906 (talk) 14:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

The "your sister" passage in Suleiman's letter can be interpreted in many different ways. Instead of accusations and rude approach I suggested an RfC. Wikipedia is based on a variety of sources, and not just your opinion based on archives to which you did not send links or proof when asked. It appears you do not know what Wikipedia is about. Merangs (talk) 13:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

While nobody didn't rude . What about archives, here are the link: https://bilgibilimi.net/topkapi-sarayi-muzesi-arsivi/ here read more. Need to accurately write history, not proven information from the Internet Mariam110906 (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)