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Hungarian Turanism
[edit]You need academic sources for your changes, and we never use any Wiki article as a source. Dougweller (talk) 12:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Hungarian Genetics
[edit]Ironically, the most Slavic speaking nations, and Northern Germanic nations (Sweden Norway Northern Germany) contain higher ratio of Mongoloid asian haplogroup markers (like N1C1 and "Q") than Hungarians. Unlike the Hungarians Balkan people (incl. Romanians) have also very high ratio of middle-eastern Near-eastern and Northern African haplogroup markers, which caused their average darker pigmentation (eye, hair color, skin tone) See the genetic chart of European nations: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml --Friarjuli (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
The "Trefort quote" was debunked: It was a primitive type of counterfeit
[edit]You can read about it here: http://toriblog.blog.hu/2010/12/07/hamis_e_a_nemzetveszto_trefort_idezet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friarjuli (talk • contribs) 11:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Cumania and fake Neo-"Cuman" people in "Kunság"region
[edit]The most importandt and strongest center of Turanism is the Kunság region, where a very special identity crisis (and double identity) exists until this day. Why are many cumanians turanist? Cuman minority were turkic speaking people, whose language remained until the end of 1600s. Therefore they want to link the Hungarians with themselves, by the claiming that weird belief that Hungarian is a turkic language and ethnic group. However very very few Cumans survived the Ottoman wars. However there are thousands of (fake) "neo-Cumans" in modern Hungary.
You can read about it here: "Kunok legyünk vagy Magyarok": http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-legyunk-vagy-magyarok
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The Habsburg conspiracy theory
[edit]Two good readings about the roots and origins of Habsburg anti-turkic anti-turanian conspiracy theories:
http://www.tenyleg.com/index.php?action=recordView&type=places&category_id=3115&id=319584
http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/akiknek-el-akarjak-venni-a-multjukat
The "Trefort quote" was debunked: It was a primitive type of counterfeit
[edit]You can read about it here: http://toriblog.blog.hu/2010/12/07/hamis_e_a_nemzetveszto_trefort_idezet
It was invented by Canadian-Hungarian refugees in the 1970s. The "Habsburg oppression" of Turanism was entirelly built upon that fantasy. In the reality the Habsburgs rather supported it. See the forced royal MTA appointment of Vámbéry, who was the only believer of Turkish-Hungarian linguistic and ethnic relations in MTA.! And remember the first patron of Turan society, who was a Habsburg archduke in 1910.--Friarjuli (talk) 09:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
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Maghasito
You fabricated a pseudo history (like the central Asian origin of Hungarians), which is not supported by Hungarian or foreign modern academic scholars (historians linguists geneticists.) Why did you do that? First possibility: It might you belong to turkic cuman minority of Hungary (with identity crisis and double identity), so you have double identity, or you try to falsify the history of Hungarian people, to parallel the hungarian history with your cuman past. Second possibilita, you are from the ethnic group little-entente country, where the less educated romanian slovakian serbian people (proletarian worker class descendent) support and propagate the Central Asian turkic mongol origin fantasy if Hungarians, to discredit Hungarian people in Europe. So who are you? a cuman minority fanatic, or a romanian slovak or serbian anti-Hungarian?
Re this section of the Adminstrators Noticeboard, please my message at Talk:Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 re excessive quotation/copyright infringement in the article. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
- I have once again removed your excessive quotation of copyright material. Please read the guidance links on the talk page of that article and do not keep restoring it. You must summarize the material in your own words. Voceditenore (talk) 06:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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Hungarian Turanism and User:Maghasito
[edit]User:Maghasito:ANI-notice USer:Maghasito try to spread of pseudo science, the so-called Hungarian Turanism , which is now a politically motivated chauvinist pseudo-science from the 19th century and a core agenda of far right Jobbik party and ww2 nazi Arrow Cross Party . There are not a single contemporary scholar (academics university professors) linguistics, historian population geneticist on this planet, who support that fantasy theory. Wikikpedia is a free encyclopedia, however it is not the place of the popularization of pseudo-scientific politically-motivated fantastic nonsenses. The best option would be the permanent ban of Maghasito. --Dosemark (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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Turanism is not only linguistic but genetic nonsense
[edit]Sorry, but Turanian people Turanian language did not exist until it was invented by the 19th century Western European linguist.
There are no linguistic similarity with Turkish languages, and there are absolutely no genetic connections. So what are you talking about here?
bout population genetics:
The lack of "eastern or mongoloid genes".
Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the genetic CHART of European nations:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
And see the ratio of middle-eastern (often semitic) haplogroup markers (various „J”) and african (black) markers (E1B1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eszlenyek (talk • contribs) 16:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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Turanism article
[edit]Hi! Why have you deleted references and sentences in the Turanism article? Why did you start an edit war? I reported your edit war to the Wikipedia admins here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Turanism_article Thank you for your reply!--Filederchest (talk) 13:27, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- User:Maghasito, if you continue to make disputed changes at Turanism without ever using the talk page, you are risking a block for edit warring. Our edit warring policy is described at WP:EW. The alternative to edit warring is WP:Dispute resolution, which you ought to try if the content of Turanism is very important to you. Back in 2014 you stated that you had limited command of English. If this is still the case, you should be aware that if you are not confident enough in English to use talk pages when disagreements arise, you also should not edit the articles. Wikipedia has non-controversial areas where you could participate. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
- Dear Mr. EdJohnston,
You could check and judge the quality of my edits of the article for yourself. In my opinion, they helped to raise the overall quality and reliability of the article in question.
I have reverted Filederchest's edits two times, because those additions had a detrimental effect on the alredy not so high quality of the article. But in each of those occassions, I contributed quality, reliable material to the corpus of the article, material related to the false or/and deceptive claims made by the reverted text.
Yours sincerely,
Maghasito
--Maghasito (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
In Maghasito's vocabulary the "quality of his edits" means putting old Hungarian language references from very obsolete works of old authors, pushing pseudo scientific and politically motivated fairly tales like Turanism. He tries to deny internationally well established scholarly consensuses in history and linguistics. In the reality Hungarian language is not belong to the Turkic language family, Hungarians are not Turkic people etc. There are no "Turanian people" and "Turanian race" and "Turanian languages". The Departments of Linguistics in all universities around the word teach the Hungarian language in Finno-ugric Uralic linguistic departments, but somehow Turanian departments don't exist. Turanists like to solve the "problem" of this wide scholarly consensus by creation of conspiracy theories. Only two ways remain for turanists. 1. The linguist scholars are all stupid. Off course, most people won't believe their tales that the universities and scholars are all stupid globally. Their second option: Turanist concepts is politically oppressed (of course globally), by the (long dead) Habsburg Monarchs, the communists trample them (even after the fall of the Soviet Union, in the era of Freedom of the press and freedom of the speech) or the most popular anti-semitic turanist narratives among Hungarian turan-believers: The Jews and Jewish scholars "conspired" globally against Turanism. He couldn't even search English language references, because of his limited English proficiency he is unable to use the English Google Books. As you can see, he likes to spread well known - thousand times refuted - conspiracy theories, like the Habsburg conspiracy, and non-related topics like the history of Hungarian language as Official language etc. His Hungarian Wikipedia edits are against the historian and linguists scholars of the MTA (Hungarian Academy of Sciences) because according to his opinion, the scholars globally conspired against the Turanism the "eternal truth". During his long activity in the Turanism article, he also deleted many modern English language sources and references of leading English and American universities too. The turanist linguistic theories fully employ the symptoms what you can found in the articles of Pseudoscientific_language_comparison#Traits_and_characteristics and Pseudohistory#Characteristics. He acts like a true believer or wishful thinker. I think Wikipedia articles shouldn't be similar to the Metapedia, the hotbed of pseudo history and baseless conspiracy theories.--Filederchest (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
My intuitions were good. A good turanist must fight against Jews and Zionism. Just look his edits around November of 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maghasito --Filederchest (talk) 19:58, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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Dear Sir,
The Editor Having No Name reverted years of collective efforts of dozens of editors, and (re)turned an article from a “not so bad and improving” state to the level of crap. It is impossible to engage in discourse with an ip address, who is lazy to share their concerns and objections, or to look up and read the provided sources and references. As you could see, I supported ALL my edits with high quality sources and references, and tried to keep the wording of my edits as neutral as possible.
Yours sincerely,
Maghasito
--Maghasito (talk) 14:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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Válasz Maghasító magyar wikis írására.
[edit]Üdvözletem Delivert!
Újév, új név?
Ami az altaji nyelvcsaládot illeti, amit összehordott, az tömény butaság. Ha vette volna a fáradságot és valóban utánanézett volna a témának, tudná, hogy a kérdés körül élénk tudományos vita folyik és távolról sem eldöntött. Kezdetnek talán elolvashatná és megpróbálhatná megérteni ezeket a rövidke írásokat:
http://linguistics.byu.edu/classes/Ling450ch/reports/altaic.htm
https://academic.oup.com/jole/article/3/2/145/5067185
Maghasító
Maghasito vita 2019. március 1., 23:12 (CET)
VÁLASZ: Üdvözöllek kedves kun kisebbségi ősökkel rendelkező user Maghasító!
Demokratikus országokban a szólás és sajtószabadság keményen deklarálva van minden ország alkotmányában, ebből kifolyólag szinte bármiről folyhat (és gyakran folyik is) élénk vita. Ettől szabad egy ország. Ahogy az ismert amerikai mondás tartja: "Egy (valódi) demokráciában jogodban áll hülyének (is) lenni". Szóval a nagyvilágban mindenről bármikor bármeddig folyhatnak (és folynak is) viták, tehát ez önmagában nem számít érvelésnek. Ha egy kérdést csak pár kutató próbál sikertelenül elkeseredetten vitatni (rég cáfolt öreg tézisekre támaszkodva), de az nem lépi át nemzetközi szinten a tudományos világ ingerküszöbét (azaz szembe megy a tudósok túlnyomó többsége által támogatrott konszenzussal) azt úgy hívják: Fringe science vagy Junkie science. Fringle science nem való lexikonokba. Olvass róla: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_science
Forrásaid: Egy jelentéktelen vallási fanatikusok által alapított neo-protestáns egyházi egyetem honlapja: byu.edu Legközelebb majd a teljesen hasonló Németh Sándor iskolája lesz a referencia?
Második linked http://oxfordre.com eléggé kételkedik az altáji nyelvekben, nem közös ős csak egymás mellett élés miatti hasonlóságokról ír.(Tehát nem nyelvcsaládnak tartja) Máskor talán el is olvashatnád végig amit linkelsz.
Harmadik egy állítólagos kutatás, a régi szokásos számítógépes statisztikára alapozó varázslás/kuruzslás (gagyin megírt algoritmusokon alapuló számítógépes "statisztikai elemzéssel" szeretne magának hitelességet követelni). Ez az elmélet még friss, de nagy az esélye hogy ugyanúgy jár majd szakmai berkekben kellő bizonyítékok híján, mint a nagy elánnal promotált nosztratikus nyelvcsalád, azaz sikertelen marad, és kiszorul szépen a fringe science kategóriába. Majd valami táltos könyvesboltokban szabadon és korlátlanul olvashatnak róla a fantaszikumra vágyó, nem éppen tanulásban megőszült "zseni" szakmunkás és földműves ivadékok. – Delivert (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Maghasítónak a reformátusság jelzi markerként a neo-kun eredetét
[edit]Miért fontos még mindig neki a vallásháború? NEm volt nehéz rájönni. Számára az egy etnikai iránytű.
Maghasítónak a református vallás jelenti a neo-kun türk identitást és etnikumot szűkebb hazájában a Kunságban, szemben a magyarokkal, azaz katolikus "telepesekkel". A neo-kun etnikai kisebbségi identitást csak a kommunizmusban sikerült valamennyire eltörölni. Erről itt olvashattok a 28.oldaltól: https://kisebbsegkutato.tk.mta.hu/uploads/files/olvasoszoba/intezetikiadvanyok/Regionalis_identitas.pdf
Refreshers (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Cuman ethnic minority existed until around the 1970s
[edit]MTA considered the Cumans as a Hungarian speaker group, who have a firm ethnic minority identity (like all other ethnic minorities in Hungary). Only the uniformization of communism could erase this group and their minority identity from Hungary. The socialist urbanization mass population movements erased them in the 1970s. It must be mentioned in this article.
--Noconteos (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- User:Stubes99, stop editing WP articles. WP is not your platform, that is why you were banned from the community years ago. Borsoka (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Tradtional Cuman material culture is very different from the Central European Hungarian
[edit]The tradtional Cuman material culture is very different from the Central European Hungarian, because their material culture is closer to Eastern European. The only weak link between Cumans and Hungarian culture is that their ancestors learned the Hungarian language. It is a very weak link.
Here is a good article , written by professor Pál Beluszky Alföld Syndrome , go to the English part of the text on page 26.
https://tet.rkk.hu/index.php/TeT/article/view/98/196
Page 26 exactly describes and clarifies, that the work is concentrated around the Jassic Cuman minority and its very different Eastern European culture.
--Noconteos (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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