User talk:Macodudewasalreadytaken?
Todor's Identity
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have done no independent research I have just used sources which have been used by other wiki articles (Brittanica) such as
- Gotse Delchev - Wikipedia
- Dame Gruev - Wikipedia Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 14:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- You have done it by inserting your own point-of-view here. If you had actually read the article about IMRO on Britannica, you would see that Loring Danforth uses the term "Macedonian" in the context of a regional identity:
IMRO was founded in 1893 in Thessaloníki; its early leaders included Damyan Gruev, Gotsé Delchev, and Yane Sandanski, men who had a Macedonian regional identity and a Bulgarian national identity.
That is probably the case with Aleksandrov too. I do not think Britannica is using the term in the context you think it does. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)- The choice between "Bulgarian" and "Macedonian-Bulgarian" ultimately depends on the aspect of Aleksandrov’s identity and activities that one wishes to emphasize. "Macedonian-Bulgarian" provides a more nuanced view, acknowledging both regional and national affiliations, while "Bulgarian" emphasizes the dominant nationalistic aspect of his political activities. Both terms have their place, and the context in which they are used can guide the most appropriate choice. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, you will need to make a case for that on the article's talk page, provide sources and gain consensus. Sources determine the notable aspects of a subject. See MOS:ETHNICITY. Your initial edit used the term "Macedonian" as in ethnicity. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- To accurately reflect Todor Aleksandrov's complex identity, the term "Macedonian-Bulgarian" should be used. This term captures both his Macedonian regional background and his Bulgarian national affiliation, aligning with historical context and sources. So that why I propose his identity as "Macedonian-Bulgarian". Although I first used Macedonian as an ethnicity Macedonian-Bulgarian can benefit both parties. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apart from Britannica, do you have any other sources? One source is not sufficient to establish notability for that aspect, plus it is only a short description. At least three or more sources are needed. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think a case could be made to mention his Macedonian Bulgarian identity in the lead, since some sources do emphasize his regional identity. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- alr so its agreed he should be called Macedonian Bulgarian. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 12:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. Found additional sources. The matter is settled. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- alr so its agreed he should be called Macedonian Bulgarian. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 12:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think a case could be made to mention his Macedonian Bulgarian identity in the lead, since some sources do emphasize his regional identity. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Apart from Britannica, do you have any other sources? One source is not sufficient to establish notability for that aspect, plus it is only a short description. At least three or more sources are needed. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- To accurately reflect Todor Aleksandrov's complex identity, the term "Macedonian-Bulgarian" should be used. This term captures both his Macedonian regional background and his Bulgarian national affiliation, aligning with historical context and sources. So that why I propose his identity as "Macedonian-Bulgarian". Although I first used Macedonian as an ethnicity Macedonian-Bulgarian can benefit both parties. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, you will need to make a case for that on the article's talk page, provide sources and gain consensus. Sources determine the notable aspects of a subject. See MOS:ETHNICITY. Your initial edit used the term "Macedonian" as in ethnicity. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- The choice between "Bulgarian" and "Macedonian-Bulgarian" ultimately depends on the aspect of Aleksandrov’s identity and activities that one wishes to emphasize. "Macedonian-Bulgarian" provides a more nuanced view, acknowledging both regional and national affiliations, while "Bulgarian" emphasizes the dominant nationalistic aspect of his political activities. Both terms have their place, and the context in which they are used can guide the most appropriate choice. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- You have done it by inserting your own point-of-view here. If you had actually read the article about IMRO on Britannica, you would see that Loring Danforth uses the term "Macedonian" in the context of a regional identity:
September 2024
[edit] Hello, I'm Jingiby. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Georgi Pulevski seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 16:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello yes I would like to address the claims of a non-natural edit. I was just trying to keep Georgi Pulevski personal views about this nationality. Macodudewasalreadytaken? (talk) 18:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- You mean non-neutral? Anyway I checked your edit and agree that it needs to be discussed. I can see that you are still learning here so I would like to familiarize you with some things. Non-minor edits should not be marked as minor (per WP:ME). Ethnicity also does not belong in infoboxes per MOS:INFONAT. The nationality parameter has caused confusion among people but it is not used for ethnicity. You also cannot cite Wikipedia as a source. In the sources cited, I did not see him being claimed as a hero anywhere. It would be great if you could provide a quote from Heraclides' source though. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, Macodudewasalreadytaken?, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you.Jingiby (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)