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Archive 1

February 2018

Hello, I'm CASSIOPEIA. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Zenobia, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 13:49, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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I will definitaley do so! Thanks for notifying me (talk)

Copyright problem on Omani Empire

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Hello @Diannaa:,thanks for always helping. Can i rewrite it in my own words but still use the website as a reference? MWahaiibii (talk) 19:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes of course. That is exactly how Wikipedia is written! — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Sources

Where are you getting these from? There's no clue as to what they actually are, and you seem to have copied them from elsewhere. As an example, "Siebert 2005, p. 175." is useless since there's no clue as to what Siebert 2005 is. So again, where did you copy them from? Here[2] you use Beck to back a 2 year siege, but he doesn't mention a 2 year siege (a 33 month one, but that's almost 3). Doug Weller talk 15:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, as you can see some texts has been removed due to "copying from source", therefore i changed that also to approx 2 years just to NOT match the original source so @Diannaa: can get off my back a little bit...

You came late to the party @Doug Weller: the "Sources" Heading got deleted by @Diannaa: , thats why you cant find any sources for any citation, take a look at a previous version to know what Siebert 2005, p. 175 and the rest of the citations is! But it seems we cant go back to previous versions...!!! MWahaiibii (talk) 16:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Final warning

This was a big no-no. You included many dozens of entries that have no reference or whatsoever for a supposed Arab ethnicity/origin. From Zheng He to Badr al-Din al-Ayni to Ibn Bassam to Baha-ud-Din Naqshband Bukhari. These are just some of the individuals you tried to add to the article. Given that you have been making disruptive edits for quite some time now, the next step is going to be ANI. Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Which one is not Arab? we can discuss his inclusion, but dont go reverting abruptly, that's why i made each inclusion separately. If you don't mind Wikaviani Can you help which inclusion i did is wrong? MWahaiibii (talk) 19:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MWahaiibii, LouisAragon's revert and warning may be a little harsh or abrupt, i can agree with you on this point. However, i think his concerns are quite legit since you included, as far as i can see, about 95 names to the list, but not a single source. Don't get me wrong, some of the people you tried to include are very likely Arab scholars, but their inclusion needs sources (see WP:VER). If you need any help (for example, for finding, if available, sources for the ethnicity of the above mentioned scholars), don't hesitate, just ask. Regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:51, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

He should've at least reverted by each individual, this revert removed a bunch of eligible inclusions. Anyway, What do you think of Abdul Qadir Gilani, Ibn Faradi, Al-Farghani, Ibn Furak? MWahaiibii (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Arab descent

Hi, please can you be careful in ascribing Arab descent to Pakistani tribes. For example, after checking sources, I found that the claim at Kalhora was incorrect and thus this edit was wrong, too. As a rule of thumb, if a Pakistani tribe claims Arab descent, they usually are not. It is the same ridiculous glorifying trait that we see in Hindu castes of India, who claim descent from various glorious deities. People have been blocked and topic-banned for insisting on showing these ludicrous claims as if they were undoubtedly true. The Kalhora, according to actual reliable sources, were Baloch people, who are Indo-Europeans. - Sitush (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for trying to help. I added the 'Arab descent' category to articles with category 'Hashemite people', without rechecking existing sources in each article. You might aswell remove the 'Hashemite people' category as well from the Kalhora article since its also literally an indication of Arab origins for the tribe. --MWahaiibii (talk) 02:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Hiya, the same goes for Sayyid as well. Claiming Sayyid (which everyone does) doesn't make you of Arab stock, whether said person is a Sayyid or not. If I have some German ancestors that wouldn't make me a German either. At the end of the day no one is pure. EDIT: Seems like you've already been kind of told about this before [3] --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:Hello, i agree with you. I'm adding the category 'XX is of Arab descent" which indicates Arab ancestry but not necessarily an Arab individual, i don't see the issue here. im relying on category 'Hashemite people' saying someone is of Hashemite ancestry is literally saying he is of Arab ancestry, Thanks for the addition! EDIT: I saw your reverts, and i think the category inclusion is legit. I hope you understand the difference between being an Arab and being of Arab ancestry which is what im doing here. Waiting for your reply. --MWahaiibii (talk) 03:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

This is a tricky one. Personally, I think it is pointless to say "X is of Y descent" because, as HistoryofIran suggests, we're all a big mix of things. But some disagree and it is bizarrely common in US celebrity articles to see statements such as "part Irsh, part Scandinavian, some German, a bit of Inuit and a smidgeon of Assyrian" (you get the idea!). - Sitush (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I get what you are trying to say, it would save a lot of trouble honestly. But these types of categories are everywhere and part of Wikipedia. I think the problem is people sometimes confuse the two types of categories, and i can't blame them its confusing at first. Say for example, Iranian people and Category:Arab people of Iranian descent, when they absolutely hold different meanings. --MWahaiibii (talk) 04:16, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I very well get there is difference between an Arab an being of that descent, I was just pointing out an example, I could have said German descent instead of German to be more precise. But I'm sorry what you're doing is far fetched and could be seen as disruptive, especially when you've already kinda been told about this. You and me both likely have some ancestors which aren't of our current ethnicity, doesn't mean we can call us of xxx descent. Well technically we could I guess, but that would be pretty bizarre. 'Hey me ancestor from me dads paternal side actually lived in 16th-century India, so I have some Indian descent as well!' Moreover, it was popular to claim Sayyid descent to increase your prestige, not much different from noble houses claiming to be descended from ancient kings, gods, and whatnot. For example, I've seen at least one Caliph claiming to be descended from the Sasanians (amongst others obviously). Even if that was true, adding 'of Iranian descent' as a category would still be pretty strange. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Sorry for the late reply. I think i'm not the one who created all those 'XX of XX descent' types of categories, they existed way before i even joined Wikipedia. So, i do not get how i'm at fault here as you say, when these types of categories are being applied to different individuals from Europe to Asia if you went through them. I get that you think people will confuse Iranian individuals (for example) with categories such as 'Iranian of Arab descent' as Arabs. Therefore, since the word 'Arab' is what you think is the problem here, i guess? I think there should be a category created by the name Sayyids and apply it to all the claimants, what do you think? --MWahaiibii (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but you are pushing the blame away. You yourself added loads of these categories even though you had kinda been told to refrain from stuff like this. Also I'm not sure what you mean by these different individuals. Furthermore, I don't agree regarding this Sayyid category, since it is very easy to claim that you are one without any actual proof. Again, no different from royal families claiming descent from x family/dynasty to elevate their status. Superficial claims at best. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Gaianus of Arabia

The article cites "Suda Gaianos" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script (explained at Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors) to highlight such errors in the future. Thanks, Renata (talk) 04:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, I just finished including Suda On Line in the bibliography section, thanks for notifying me. --MWahaiibii (talk) 08:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

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Berber names

Why did you undo all the reversions by 85.148.129.62, who added Berber transliterations to biographies of soccer players? They are all being reverted by Hambra1 (and I just blocked them for disruptive editing), but you didn't give a reason either. M.Bitton, why did you make this revert? Drmies (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Drmies, this disruptive IP user has been replacing any other ethnicity with the word Berber and any language with Tifinagh, doing so for many articles without giving an explanation, so upon checking his contributions page I reverted all his "disruptive" edits in a quick manner. Nevertheless, I just searched each player Berber name in google, and there are no result for such names. At best, the search results would show the same Wikipedia article (which includes the transliteration) copied in other websites, so following MOS:ALTNAME and Wikipedia:UEIA, they are by no mean a significant or frequently used alternative names. Sorry for the late reply. --MWahaiibii (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Drmies: It was reverted for two reasons: 1) the IP added OR to a BLP article (the footballer in question is Dutch). 2) This IP reminds me a lot of 31.21.157.14 (same interest, same location, same ISP), one the IP's used by the globally locked account Lala_migos. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 23:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

M.Bitton, I don't know what you mean with "OR" here, unless you question the editor's competence in Berber or so. Mohamed Ihattaren is indeed Dutch, but he's also Rifian, meaning that a Berber translation is as valid, if not more valid, as an Arabic translation. I'm not here to pick a fight with you or with MWahaiibii, but I have a few concerns here.

a. If you think the user is an LTA, OK, we can look into that--but then the revert should be done on that basis, explicitly, and even then one should ask whether the revert is a net positive or not.

b. The Berber identity has been under pressure for centuries, and erasing someone's language (or script, in this case) and replacing it with the Arabic script, which is the script and language of the oppressor; please see Rifians; the fifth and sixth paragraphs of the lead are well-verified. What I do NOT want to see is Wikipedia becoming complicit in that erasure, and Wikipedia:UEIA actually unwittingly participates in that erasure, in its focus on "widely known": that "widely known" is never going to be the Berber name/writing: a "native name...written in a non-Latin script" for people like him will almost automatically denote a name in Arabic, because the administration of that country is done in Arabic. Please read Decolonising the Mind, if you need to see that explained in detail.

In summary, what we have here is an opportunity to make Wikipedia more, not less accessible. We should NOT automatically discard the spirit of the edit because it came from an LTA, and what we could do is allow a Berber transcription for people of a Berber background--it's in the spirit of what Wikipedia should be about. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Drmies: I meant WP:OR and WP:BLP, and if the person behind the IP is who I suspect it is, we'll have some work to do as they tend to go out of their way to erase the North African Arab identity. That being said, I understand what you mean. Also, while I have your attention. could you please do something about this IP who's removing content that has been the subject of a RfC? Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, M.Bitton, but it's hard to erase the North African Arab identity from North African Berbers, since, at least in a general sense, those are two different identities. There is no way the "North African Arab identity" will be erased, no matter how hard an army of IPs tries--it's like erasing whiteness out of Europe or America, it can't be done. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Best user MWahaiibii tries to Arabize anything that is not Arabic. some example: All persons to whom I have added the Berber name come from Morocco, where both Arabic and Berber are the official languages. so if their names are written in Arabic because they are Moroccan, it should be in Berber too. In addition, all those people to whom I have added the Berber names are Berber language, so why only Arabic. This user also has to hide the Berber identity on Berber's pages and make it look secretly Arabic. Why you're blocking me for no reason while he's screwing up here is a big question to me. Finally, I am not some Lala migos and I don't want you to accuse me of it. Hambra1 (talk) 15:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)