User talk:JasonRCopywriterNC

January 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "MFilesEditor", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it seems to be a role account or associated with a position. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly respect your decision. However, I'd like to propose a compromise.

1. Allow me to delete the entire account MFilesEditor. Let's start from square one. I only accepted this as a work assignment and did not mean to get banned. The fifth pillar of Wikipedia states: "The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions." I entered in this process in the spirit of sharing information about a software company in a way that I thought would conform with Wikipedia policies. I regret any mistakes and want to move forward in a way that benefits Wikipedia. Thus, I am asking for an exception at this time.

2. Please at least remove the IP block so I can continue to participate in Wikipedia from my personal account and personal PC. Since I work from home, when you blocked my IP, you blocked my ability to contribute to interact with the Wikipedia community from my personal account.

3. I will agree to volunteer several hours to being a general contributor and editing about topics for which you have no conflict of interest. I have worked for 25 years as a copy editor so I feel I can contribute some value here. I would love to edit on the topics of film, religion, philosophy, journalism, skepticism.

4. Please allow me to submit a new draft for M-Files which will be vastly pared down from the previous version and demonstrates my understanding of relevant policies. As someone who has worked as a writer, editor and journalists, I feel I can grasp said policies the second time around without a time lag.

Respectfully submitted. MFilesEditor (talk) 16:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: M-Files (January 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:M-Files and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Theroadislong (talk) 18:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, MFilesEditor! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 18:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'd like to discuss how I can change my submission so as not to violate policy. However, I've been indefinitely blocked by @Jimfbleak. I don't know if I can discuss the article rejection until I have been unblocked. I submitted a request for username change as requested. Is there anything else I can do? MFilesEditor (talk) 14:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January 2023

Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because of the following problems: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

You may request a change of username and unblock if you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization. To do this, first search Special:CentralAuth for available usernames that comply with the username policy. Once you have found an acceptable username, post the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked. In your reasons, you must:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement.
Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MFilesEditor (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

JasonRCopywriterNC (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

JasonRCopywriterNC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I have submitted a paid-contribution disclosure. I had been asked to contribute a page for my company M-Files. I believed I had followed all guidelines and would respectfully request any specific correction. It looks as if our competitors of similar size and impact (like LaserFiche) do have pages so I assume there is some way I can change the page draft to conform. I appreciate the hard work you and the other editors undertake and I look forward to resolving this issue. Cheers! MFilesEditor (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

As noted below, it is not a good idea to use the existence of other articles as justification for your own; these too could be problematic(as one clearly was, and other less so) and you would be unaware of this. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate content to get by us. We can only address what we know about. Furthermore, competitors meriting articles does not automatically mean your company does too- it depends on the sources. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles, which have been vetted by the community.

Anything in your draft that details an announcement of a routine business activity(like acquiring a competitor) does not contribute to notability. Neither does niche industry awards(typically unless the award itself merits an article, like Academy Award or Nobel Peace Prize) We are looking for independent reliable sources that, on their own and not based on materials fed to them by the company, tell what is significant or influential about the company as they see it, not as the company sees it. The vast majority of companies do not merit articles.

You won't be unblocked to edit about your company further at this time; if you are interested in being a general contributor and editing about topics for which you have no conflict of interest, you may later be permitted to write a new draft once your edit history demonstrates a good understanding of relevant policies. If you want to edit about other topics, please tell what. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I won't consider your request myself, that wouldn't be fair to you, but some comments. Your user name had to be blocked, and I decided to do so without the option of creating a new account because despite you COI declaration and what you have said above you made no effort to write an article that conformed to our rules. The references are independent verifiable sources. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what a person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.

The text was promotional with most of the text, apart from a bit of history, being "this is what we sell" or "this is what we've won".

Not even any wikilinks

Having said that, I'm happy to go along with anything a reviewing admin decides is appropriate Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:56, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, several wikilinks were included. Several facts were accompanied by independent sources like TechCrunch, etc. Maybe I'm just not formatting the links correctly. MFilesEditor (talk) 17:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As it stands now, the Wikipage for one of our competitors, LaserFiche, has mostly links from the company website and yet has been allowed to have its own page. I'm having difficulty understanding the difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserfiche#References MFilesEditor (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a case of what we like to call "other stuff exists". The existence of a similar article to your own is not justification for yours to be included. Each article must stand on its own merit.

If you look at the Laserfiche article now, you will see that it has been nominated for deletion. Turns out that it is a promotional mess, and the company fails to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion. But thank you for pointing it out - perhaps it was your mention that called another editor's attention to it! --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Drm310! Hope you are well.

To provide further context, another of our competitors, Hyland, has an article that is mostly references from their website. I'm trying to understand if there is a way to rewrite the article to conform so we can also be included to broaden encyclopedic knowledge about document management software companies and/or Finnish software companies. As of now, I think my draft only had two references to our website. The rest were independent. What if I deleted the Features section?

Also, I can't make any edits unless my username is changed and I'm unsure who is in charge of that? Thanks for all your hard work. I know you are all volunteers and I greatly appreciate the work Wikipedia does!

Jason MFilesEditor (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your unblock request is still pending. Unfortunately, the queue is long and there are always more tasks than admins. It may take some time (days or even weeks) before your request is evaluated. We appreciate your patience.

I looked at the Hyland Software article. It isn't in what I would consider great shape, but it's salvageable. The acquisition history can be condensed; the key people section is unnecessary. The majority of the references are to third-party sources, although their quality varies. A lot of them are to trade publications... which, as they say on Facebook, is "complicated". Trade publications can often be promotional given their target audience. But as long as the articles are written by the publication's own staff writers, and not self-serving to the company being written about, then it might be OK. If they are just reprints of company-authored press releases, then that's unacceptable. References directly to a subject's own website are permitted in limited circumstances, just to verify basic facts and figures.

Your draft was deleted and I'm not an admin, so I can't see deleted contents. Therefore, I unfortunately cannot comment on your content and what might have triggered its deletion. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

JasonRCopywriterNC (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I think it's unfair to block my entire IP address. I certainly respect the reasons you chose to block MFilesEditor. However, I work from home and a global IP address block means I cannot participate in Wikipedia from my personal account or computer. I am willing to delete the account MFilesEditor. That way, I can contribute from my personal account. I never intended to do anything malicious and I sincerely believed I was following Wikipedia guidelines correctly at that time. As someone who has more than 25 years experience as a journalist and editor, I'm willing to contribute volunteer hours to edit any articles you wish. Thank you for hearing me out.MFilesEditor (talk) 16:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Unblocked per discussion below. Please file the username change request as soon as possible. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I received your email, I don't discuss wiki matters via email in most cases. I will respond to your email soon. 331dot (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an editor, I thank you for donating to the Foundation, but that is between you and the Foundation. Donations do not impact actions here as the Foundation does not impact day to day operations. We don't have the ability to delete accounts, technically or legally- all edits must be attributable to someone. Accounts may be abandoned. Yes, the block of an account autoblocks the associated IP address- this is by design, to prevent block evasion. If any one of your accounts is blocked, you should not be editing from any account or IP address until the block is removed. The block is on you personally, not just your account. If this is your orignal account, you should work to get this block lifted and then once it is you may resume using another account, and abandon this account. You've been told what you can do to get the block lifted. 331dot (talk) 19:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: "You've been told what you can do to get the block lifted."

I'm unclear as to what this would be? Would you please clarify precisely what I can do to get the block lifted? I'm certainly willing to follow whatever protocol you direct.

I look forward to helping edit other Wikipedia articles. Thanks! MFilesEditor (talk) 19:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My decline of your previous request says what you should do. You say above that you will edit articles that we want you to, that's not how this works. We want you to tell us what you want to edit about. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Futurism

Technology

Science fiction

Philosophy

Media and journalism

80s films

Ancient history

Atheism

Comparative religion

Pickleball

North Carolina

Cold War era history

Intelligence (CIA, KGB)

Drones

And open to just about any topic. MFilesEditor (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity, then, would you be willing to agree to firstly requesting a change in username for this account to the username in your above declined request, and secondly, agree to refrain from editing in regards to M-Files? Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for ping above. As I've already indicated above, I have no objection to a rename and unblock, subject to the editor confirming what Seraphimblade has just asked Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hope I understand the flow of this thread correctly. Please forgive me if I am not.

I agree that my username be changed to JasonRCopywriterNC.

I agree to refrain from editing in regards to M-Files for now. However, this would subsume the condition stated above by 331Dot. This condition being:

"You won't be unblocked to edit about your company further at this time; if you are interested in being a general contributor and editing about topics for which you have no conflict of interest, you may later be permitted to write a new draft once your edit history demonstrates a good understanding of relevant policies."

Thus, I understand that, once I demonstrate a good understanding of relevant editing policies, I could be allowed to write a new draft about M-Files at a future (and as yet underdetermined) time. Agreed? MFilesEditor (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, any such thing can be reevaluated at a later time. If you were to show a solid history of good-quality contributions, that is certainly something that could be revisited at some point in the future. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. When I can I expect the username change to occur? Cheers! MFilesEditor (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do I need to resubmit the username change request? MFilesEditor (talk) 17:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to make the request at the username change request page (use that link), which you'll be able to edit since you are now unblocked. That page will have instructions for how to do it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

I think I have correctly made the request. MFilesEditor (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]