User talk:Lwalkingwoman

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November 2022

Hello, I'm Donald Albury. I noticed that you recently removed content from List of unrecognized tribes in the United States without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Per the source at https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mount-tabor-indian-community-texas-indigenous-rcna3746, Texas does not have a means of formally recognizing tribes Donald Albury 17:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Donald Albury. It was not a mistake and I will remove my tribe's name from the list again with an explanation. Texas may not have a means for recognition by law but there are other ways of recognition since there are no criteria or federal laws that describe how a tribe is recognized by state means is accomplished. 2603:8081:3005:8500:E02B:F8D9:CEAB:7D83 (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November 2022

Hello, Lwalkingwoman. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Lipan Apache, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 02:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Do you have an official position with the tribe? Doug Weller talk 09:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please answer the question above? --ARose Wolf 18:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am a member of the Lipan Apache Tribe but I do not have an official position with them. As a citizen of this sovereign nation, I do volunteer and in my almost 70 years have never been paid for volunteer work. Being a member of a community, however, does not necessarily mean that the person contributes with bias. And I would argue that to expect a member of an American Indian tribe to not contribute to an article about or which concerns their own people seems like a colonizing expectation and would exclude valuable non-biased information that someone outside the community does not know. I understand the rules of the forum and have not created articles about myself, my family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors. Also, on Yuchitown's statement "Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted." I have done none of that and being warned in such a direct matter implies that I have; I hope that is not the case. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That’s more of a statement of basic policy than a warning. Being a member of the tribe doesn’t give you a COI. Doug Weller talk 19:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 19:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for answering the question. I certainly hope just being a member of a Tribe does not give us a COI. However, we can step into a COI when we edit to remove reliably sourced information we don't like. --ARose Wolf 20:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to second and highlight what ARoseWolf said here. Belonging to a tribe and writing on WP about issues that affect Native Americans, and that tribe in general - that is not a COI. But that's not what is happening here. If one volunteers in the workings of a small, unrecognized, controversial group that is actively seeking recognition as a tribal entity, as this user has just admitted, and then edit wars to selectively delete and add text that advances that agenda in a POV push - yes, that is an indication of a COI. This user is showing they are not able to edit in this area neutrally. We look at behavior, contribs, not what people state about themselves. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion. 2603:8081:3005:8500:DC71:EB43:5205:7E93 (talk) 05:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the just above message was me. I did not notice I was logged out. Again, thank you for your opinion. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 05:24, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to violate this person's right to anonymity but I know for a fact that they have COI. If an admin would like to discuss this further you can email me.

Indigenous girl (talk) 00:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am who I disclosed to be in this page and have acknowledged receiving the administrator's opinion that I have a COI, an opinion which I must respect regardless of whether I disagree because he is an administrator. Wikipedia has complicated rules but accept learning experiences. I have not made any edits since his interaction started. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the COI FAQ for organizations? If not, please do. It's linked above. The only articles you have edited here are articles that you have a COI with, none of which you disclosed until a couple of days ago (one is still undisclosed). Random members of community edit pages associated with their tribe and tribal members all of the time. However, the difference is, they don't hold positions within the tribe and they aren't directly associated with the tribal member who's page they are editing. The COI policy is in place for very good reasons, which I am sure you can understand. The Native community here is small and it's generally not easy being a Native editor. There are thousands of articles here to edit and we would welcome the help if you would be open to expand your interest to articles you were not directly and intimately associated with. Indigenous girl (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your advice. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November 2022

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Lipan Apache. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Yuchitown (talk) 02:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

/* November 2022 */ Respectfully, let's talk about these incorrect changes you are making in the talk page. You should leave content alone until then on the State Recognized tribe page and the Lipan Apache people page. I will undo your changes to these two pages and leave the one you created alone until there is more discussion. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 03:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I initiated conversation at Talk:State-recognized_tribes_in_the_United_States#Lipan_Apache_Tribe_of_Texas. Please stop edit warring, and you have not addressed your clear conflict of interest. Yuchitown (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

LWalkingwoman, On Wikipedia, it does not matter how strongly you feel about the content you are adding, or removing. What matters is policy. Edit-warring is against policy. Do not edit the articles you are warring on unless and until consensus is reached on the talk pages or you may have your editing privileges removed. This goes for any and all of the articles on which you are repeatedly reverting other editors. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your advice. There is a discussion going on the Talk page which I encouraged Yuchitown to participate in before his edits. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Lipan Apache people. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. What part of "Do not edit the articles you are warring on unless and until consensus is reached on the talk pages or you may have your editing privileges removed." was unclear? - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 23:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not engaging in an edit war. I just added new information to the page which is intended to add to the narrative. Content which Yuchitown added in Nov 11 was not removed except for the one link to a page that no longer exists. I suggested to Yuchitown that we talk about the edits which he initiated this morning. Respectfully, I suggest that the new information that does not remove the Nov 11 content be added. The new information adds the concurrent resolutions that were passed in 2019 and references a couple of other places. Lwalkingwoman (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are. I am going to repeat here what I said over at Talk:Lipan Apache people:

I am not here to argue content with you. Continue the discussion at the link above (Talk:State-recognized_tribes_in_the_United_States#Lipan_Apache_Tribe_of_Texas), where others editors in good standing, including another longstanding admin, have also told you to reach consensus on this content before proceeding. I am only here in an admin capacity. I reverted back to the version earlier in the month, before the edit warring began. I am making no call on which is the preferred version. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 23:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note to other Admins I gave this user an initial verbal warning, in addition to the two warning templates above. They saw it. Below is the message I left for them at Talk:Lipan Apache people when they proceeded to edit anyway without seeking consensus, with diffs of the warnings and their acknowledgement of receiving them. I need to get offline right now but their contribs show the edit warring. Diffs are easy to grab. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 00:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[talk quote template is not working] "The edits you are making are with the same POV push - though you are doing it in different places in the article, you are changing the text to say the same things, and all the removals and additions are having the same result. You were told to stop editing until consensus was reached.[1] You acknowledged receiving the message, yet proceeded to edit anyway.[2] You are in violation of 3RR and clearly engaged in an edit war. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 23:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)"[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Lwalkingwoman. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page State-recognized tribes in the United States, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. This also applies to connected articles where you have done the same promotional edits such as Lipan Apache and Darcie Little Badger. Indigenous girl (talk) 00:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]