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Note that the correct name of the school in question under topic "Pyongyang Foreigners School" is "Pyongyang Korean School for Foreigners". Can someone please change the entry name? thx Leovdvxxx

Postage stamps and postal history of Bhutan images

Why are you forcing the image size File:Bhutan GPO Thimphu Jan 2013.JPG when you are not forcing the size of File:PO Wamrong July 2008 460.jpg and considering that readers are clearly able to click on a image to the see it in detail at full image if they want to? The caption tells them what it is, so there is no need to force it. It is not supposed to be froced per WP:IMGSIZE. BTW, I see that you claim many of the image as your own work. Did you work for the post office of Bhutan and design those images and do you also own the copyright to the images? Bhutan copyright is generally for 50 years pma, so they are non-free images as far as I can determine. ww2censor (talk) 20:57, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

As far as size is concerned, I understand now the limitations and the possibility of the reader to click on the image to see a bigger version. I thought that it was just looking better in the article with these two images a little bit bigger. I made all the pictures in question myself or scanned stamps from my own collection. Leovdvxxx (talk) 06:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so you understand the image size issue now. However, you did not design the stamps or postmarks, so you cannot release the images under a copyright that you do not hold. Making a slavish copy of a 2D item that you happen to own or possess does not give you any copyrights to that stamp image. The same applies to the stamps of South Sudan that you claim are yours too. In the author field you can state that you scanned the images but the author is the postal authority and they own the copyright so the licence you applied is invalid. Most, if not all, of those image are non-free and the commons deos not allow non-free images. Some wikis, like the enwiki, do allow some non-free images in moderation if they comply with all 10 non-free content policy guidelines. I will likely nominate them for deletion on the commons and we shall see if some can be transfreed to the enwiki to appropriately illustarte the articles. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Well copied, but that would mean that for all entries "postage stamps and postal history of..." no stamps younger than 50 years could be shown? You may want to check with the editor in charge of that project, Philafrenzy. Especially scans illustrating errors and flaws would be missed. rgds Leovdvxxx (talk) 15:55, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

From a commons point of view that is exactly correct. We cannot keep non-free images on the commons and we cannot keep images whose licencing is, knowingly or even unknowingly, false but any images that can justificably be used as non-free on the enwiki, as I explained above, can be transferred there. And as I already stated they must comply with the non-free policy guidelines. It is not true to say that stamps younger than 50 years could be shown and scans illustrating errors and flaws would be missed just that they must be properly justified and that really means verifying they are notable by using reliable sources and some critical commentary as opposed to just stating their existance and what they show. BTW, Philafrenzy is not in charge of the Philately project, in fact he is a relative newbie having joined just three years ago in 2011. He is just another member like me, who joined in 2006 and Stan who joined in 2003. You have yet to join but that is not a requirement and no one is in charge just maybe more experienced or more knowledgeable and even that may not be true. ww2censor (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, in principle I only contribute some words and I am very new in this as well, but thought it a good idea to add some pics and scans as well. I will then limit myself to adding only some pictures, as that is very clear. rgds Leovdvxxx (talk) 04:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

We take copyright status very seriously both here and on the enwiki, in fact some language wikis don't even allow any non-free images. I will try to help you decide and move some appropriate images that we can justify on the enwiki. So let me know which you think are most important to illustrate the two articles appropriately. Copyright is a sticky topic and quite complicated so writing prose is easier for some editors. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 10:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

For South Sudan the 10 SSP with printing flaw would be a preference. For Bhutan no real need for the illustrations of the new stamps or postal stationary, they are just there to enliven the text. I will look in the pictures I took when I lived there to find another few which could be used to illustrate the article. Leovdvxxx (talk) 19:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Bhutan stamps

I noticed you claim most of the images in Postage stamps and postal history of Bhutan are your own work and you are the author. So does that mean you designed the stamps and printed them, or that you just took a photo of the stamps? If the later is the case then the Bhutan postal service are the author of the stamps and you cannot hold the copyright on the images. That is determined by the copyright laws of Bhutan. Did you actually take the post office images in Bhutan? If so those are properly attributed but the other images, except for the lede image, need careful review. ww2censor (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

All pictures of postoffices are of my hand, as well as scans. As far as scans of postal stamps and stationary are concerned, you have a point, although in philatelic magazines pictures of stamps as an illustration are normally carried. However, I would make an exception for the revenue stamps on a contract,which are from 1950s, while the contract is in my collection. Same may be for the FDC of the Punakha bridge: the cover as such has been made by me as Bhutan Post did not issue any FDC, using, however, a stamp issued by Bhutan Post and also their unused FDC seal. Postal label is also from an enevelope in my collection. You will be able to find pictures of Bhutan postoffices from my hand also on the Facebook page "Bhutan Stamp Collectors" and in the magazine Postal Himal. rgds "Leovdvxxx (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)"

Kindly advise whether there is a way so I can edit the postage stamps scans or delete them? "Leovdvxxx (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)"

I suspect you are Leo Martyn the NTPSC auctioneer (correct me if I am wrong) but I don't think I can afford any of the items in the upcoming sale. I'm not sure you fully understand the issue of copyright, especially for derivative works and how we treat it here. We take copyright very seriously and while philatelic magazines do illustrate stamps and covers, they do so under the fair-use claim, however we use a stricter policy here called the non-free content criteria. Generally stamps, postal stationery, covers and other philatelic items are copyright of the postal administration that issued them and according to the 2001 Bhutan copyright law copyright exists for years pma, or just 50 years for corporate or anonymous items from the published date. Even though you made a scan or photo of them that act did not give you any copyright over the derivative image, especially when it is a "slavish copy," so the claim they are your work is not actually entirely true; you can of course claim the scan or photo as your own. That is all by way of explanation and I don't want to seem mean or unhelpful, so now to the nub of your question. Let's look at the images and see what we can do to retain as many as possible. As an example File:Bhutan record stamps.jpg is properly done with a Non-free use rationale and the other similar images should be done in a similar format, so long as they are appropriate to the article and I think they are. You can also use the more specific template {{Stamp rationale}} instead.

• File:Bhutan Punakha Dzong bridge postage stamp FDC 2009.jpg - both postmark and stamp are copyright, so move here to enwiki and add non-free rationale.
• File:Bhutan personalized stamp sheetlet 2011 Royal Wedding.jpg - ditto
• File:Bhutan postcard with imprinted Color Your Own Postage Stamp showing a stylized Endless Knot.jpg - ditto
• File:Bhutan Inland Letter.jpg - ditto
• File:1968 Bhutan P&T first multi-color postcard showing the Dungchi Lhakhang.jpg - still in copyright until 2018 - ditto
• File:Postal label domestic registered mail in Bhutan.jpg this is probaly too simple to copyright, so should be licenced {{PD-simple}}
• File:Bhutanese revenue stamps used on legal document.jpg if 1950 it out of copyright, so should be noted as such and use the commons licence PD-Bhutan

If possible it would be better to try to use pre-1964 items that would be in the public domain though that may not be possible as there was little activity before that time. BTW, do you any Burt Todd stamps? It could do with at least one image in that section. I don't think one would suggest overuse of non-free images in the article, otherwise they would fail WP:NFCC#3a. Hope that helps and if you need me to assist in dealing with these just ping me. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 12:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your extensive and informative reply. I am Leo van der Velden and also a member of the NTPSC and a regular contributor on Bhutan to Postal Himal. I am afraid that I am not able to change the info as required, so your assistance is required to delete the firat five illustrations as listed above and I will try to reload them and provide the correct info. I have also scans of Burt Todd's time and will select a nice sample. Best regards, "Leovdvxxx (talk) 15:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)"

I checked further a little bit and should state that I don'thave any experience with uploading images to wikipedia itself. I could also not find any clear instructions. Any advice? Thanks! "Leovdvxxx (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)"

I'll do one for you as soon as I get some time and explain how, then you can do the rest as suggested above. ww2censor (talk) 22:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I've actually moved most ot them and modified the one that can stay here. When I'm finished I will nominate the rest for deletion here. The moved images are now int he article under slightly different names and because they are non-free images they have been reduced in size to comply with the non-free citeria. Any questions, just ping me. ww2censor (talk) 16:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Highly appreciated. "Leovdvxxx (talk) 20:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)"

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South Sudan stamps

I noticed your edits to Postage stamps and postal history of South Sudan but you uploaded stamps to the commons that are copyright. As you may know under enwiki WP:NFCC policy using more than 1 non-free image in an article is hard to justify if you follow the strict rules. All the commons images should be deleted. Even in Definitive postage stamps of Ireland I use 3 non-free images but they illustrate specific designs discussed in the prose. I think you could justify one of the "Later issue" stamps but not both, and not the multiple "overview" image, as well as one of the covers but not both. That's my opinion. How would you like to handle them? ww2censor (talk) 21:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Note that both the 2 SSp birds and 10SSP wildlife are discussed in the text. No problem with removal of the overview illustration of all issued stamps. Leovdvxxx (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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