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Alun Davies

Hi Leah - ok, I set up the structure for an article for you, tentatively called Alun Davies (guitarist) found here. You should go in and post some information there - hopefully the {{construction}} template will fend off people from speedy deleting it, but I see they posted a speedy moments after I set it up. I would suggest you get something up as soon as possible - even just a few lines - to get something started. If it is deleted, we can set it up again in your sandbox and then when it's written you can rename it. As for the disambiguation page, I'll look at creating that in the next couple of days.

You may find this helpful.

By the way - while I appreciate and am enjoying the re-writing you're doing on Cat Stevens, you may want to try to keep your expression a bit more encyclopedic - objectively worded - lest someone come along and say it's not neutrallly presented. Just a thought.

Good luck with Alun. I'd start with the basic bio facts - I did put a stub tag on it for you. Tvoz/talk 06:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, you couldn't be my mom. My vinyl copies of Tea for the Tillerman and Teaser are originals, and well worn from all the times I played them in college. Tvoz/talk 03:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I started college at 16, so I know what you mean. And I have you beat in age - but could only be your older sister, not your mother! Believe it or not, we're not the only octogenarians (so to speak) around here. By the way - you said on Talk: Cat Stevens that Davies died in February - seems not to be true, if you read the Myspace page. Am I missing something? Tvoz/talk 04:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes. It was a hasty foolish move on my part-- the death of a Canadian bassist and guitarist, which was amended in the article- read it, someplace around the romance section.. I just created the disambiguation page for the 3 known Alun Davies, now just gotta put the links to it. I was floored thinking "this" Davies had died, and happy it's not him! --leahtwosaints (talk) 04:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Glad I'm not seeing ghosts. I finished the disambiguation - changing the redirects that were in place to Alun Davies which now itself redirects to the disambiguation page. I'm not sure what you're asking about photo - I don't see any in Commons. Tvoz/talk 06:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you're still UP? :) I myself am addict-sick and pissed off- was in hospital and hopped up on Dilaudid, and now feel like I'm gonna blast through the roof or something, unfortunately, not a new feeling.. anyhow.. back to bizniss- where you live? Me, D.C. Ha! Saw your Obama stuff. My man, now, anyhow [shrug]. OK, about the photo --hey will you ADOPT me?!! Seriously!! I asked a pro-photographer to upload some great photos of Derek Trucks- OMG a KILLER LOVELY COLOR photo is one -and he did it, into Wikicommons, his name is Xophersmith there. The fifth pic, I want it real bad- Trucks was to be my next project from the Dixie Chicks -he's in the Allman Brothers Band and has one of his own, you should check him out... and Smith did give us the clear and total usage of all his Trucks and Derek Trucks and his wife, singer Susan Tedeschi- like I said, free and clear. He felt honored I wanted them. Imagine that. But the photos are twice the size of our pages! How to crop and size and fit? There's the $20 question.--leahtwosaints (talk) 06:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh- missed that you said Trucks - I was assuming you meant Cat/Yusuf (would love a commons pic of him then or now). Do you mean this one?[[Image:Derek Trucks SG.xas.jpg]] All you have to do is put the image name in the infobox (without "Image:") and try 220px on the imagesize line - that usually works. You don't have to do any manual cropping. But I'm not an expert on photos here, so if you don't like that result you might try asking someone else who actually knows something. As for adopting - I don't do that formally, as I can't commit the time. Too many crises on the political pages, not to mention those on Beatles' pages - currently slugging it out about whether and when "The" should be capitalized. But I'll answer questions as I can for you. Cheers Tvoz/talk 06:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC) PS I'm in NY
I added that photo to the article - you can switch it with the infobox pic if you want to. Tvoz/talk 07:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Sensing that you value honesty, well, wasn't exactly the right photo, but WAS my second pick, and now that I know how, I'm thrilled! May you be blessed with few grandchildren, my sister!

Oh, one last thing. I do know a friend of Steve's (Cat Stevens) and have emailed her for a free use photo as well. Hope that's OK! --leahtwosaints (talk) 07:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely, that's great if you can get any free use photos, particularly of his Cat Stevens days, but now too. As for Trucks - feel free to change or remove that photo - I have no preference and haven't really looked at that article, just was trying to see about pic size. As for grandchildren - not yet. Tvoz/talk 08:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Too soon. I'm a dingbat. :( For the oversized photos, please, where to type in the sizing? --leahtwosaints (talk) 10:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at any page with a photo not in an infobox - there wil be a line of instructions that go there including if it should be placed left or right, and how many px - I don't know a lot about this so I just follow other formats and then do trial and error - make it a little bigger or a little smaller until I'm happy, Others here can no doubt give you a more coherent response and method to follow. Also, I wasn't sure what you meant about the Tedeschi photo - is what I did in the infobox what you were looking for? Tvoz/talk 22:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, well, I was successful in getting photos into the Derek Trucks page, and the Susan Tedeschi page too! But, the problem lies in Susan Tedeschi infobox. Seems whomever put an album cover in it used superglue or something!! The photo I placed on her page of her playing alone, should be in that box! If you have a minute to take a look and see what's wrong, I'd really appreciate it. --leahtwosaints (talk) 08:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Cat

Got your note - I'm kind of tied up, so may take a day or two to respond - but I'll get back to you. Cheers Tvoz/talk 23:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Will do - hope nothing serious. Best wishes Tvoz/talk 06:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Patti D'Arbanville

Nope, didn't take the photo. Photo was in the article before I first edited it, i.e. - [1] All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


How-to

Sure, I don't mind. It's not too difficult to upload; the main thing is that the photo at Flickr be licensed under Creative Commons. Then it's just a matter of uploading it (not hard at all). Badagnani (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I've emailed Wilkenfeld's site several times asking if they could share a photo, and they don't ever write back. Badagnani (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Images

You could probably upload to Wikipedia, but if you want to upload to Commons, you can use [2]. Just to let you know, there are a few editors at both places who really enjoy deleting album covers, unless they're used on certain articles and if the fair use rationale is very detailed. Badagnani (talk) 23:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks. I know they are vicious with damn near anything people try to upload so I go seeking actual people who take photos themselves, and post them to Flickr, and contact them re: Creative Commons. That's where I found photos I used for Derek Trucks, Susan Tedeschi, Leo Kottke (just the second one on his page), and some waiting at Wikimedia Commons for an upcoming page for the Derek Trucks Band, once we get enough info on the band members to remove them off his page and onto a stub of their own, the photos await. Please see this link- it shows the 3 Albums I'd like to make pages for. [3] The one in the middle is Daydo, the album cover I need help uploading. Here is where I put it on Flickr, but if you can do it a better way, let me know! [4] Nobody else seems to know how, and I just don't "get" it. Can you help me after looking at that page? --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply regarding infobox

In the reply I left for you on my Talk page I inadvertently suggested the Wikipedia Tutorial when what I meant to suggest was the Wikipedia Manual of Style WP:MOS. When I need to learn how to do anything, I always start there. Often it contains what I need to know, or point me to where I need to look/go. Hope that helps. Kmzundel (talk) 14:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re adoption

Of course I can help you, ask me anything you wish. Do you still want me to set up a separate subpage? Wisdom89 (T / C) 18:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Tal Wilkenfeld

Hello. Something weird happened with your last edit. A large amount of blank space was added somehow. I am not sure of what is going on, so I didn't try to correct it. I am afraid I might mess up some of the links and text you were trying to add and delete. Here is the version with the blank space:

photo uploads

Sorry - I've been busy with some other things and haven't had a chance to look at this - but you'll do better talking with someone else about photo uploads - I'm really not too up on the ins and outs of Commons and photo specs. As for starting an article, you just type in the name of an article you'd like to see in the "search" box in the left column here, and hit Go - if the article doesn't exist under that title, you'll be asked if you want to start the article, and you do so. Type in the basic information about the subject as the start of the article, and add an appropriate stub tag which will encourage others to add to the article. You can find a list of stubs here.. Save it, and then concentrate on expanding it into an actual article. Hope this helps Tvoz/talk 18:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, thought you were asking me to start the pages for the albums you want articles for, but since I am very backed up now, you should just go for it. As for photo uploads, try this place - Wikipedia:Media copyright questions for answers to your questions, and likely someone who understands this stuff well to help you out. Tvoz/talk 05:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Islam/Assessment

Alaykum assalam! If I understand correctly, you're looking for Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Assessment. I rated all of the top importance articles and some of high importance ones some times ago. Most of the articles which haven't been assessed have less importance. However I'm too busy now and I can't help you with it.

I rated those article and you can ask for reassessment of Cat Stevens if it doesn't satisfy you. God bless you. --Seyyed(t-c) 01:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Recently I haven't been active on wikipedia thus it's been God's will that today I come here and answer to your question so swift. I'm Persian and I'm a native speaker of Farsi. At the same time I'm one of The prophet's descendants(Seyyed). I'm happy that you convert to Islam and it's good idea to learn Arabic for every Muslim. Feel free to put your questions on my talk page or send mail. Due to the fact that I'm Shia Muslim, my answers may be differed from your teacher to some extent but I think we should hear all of the opinions and choose the best.[Quran 39:18] There is also knowledgeable Sunni Muslims such as User:Itaqallah.
I'm not familiar with Estas but you can add his name if you have a reliable source which supports your claim about him. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with musicians and I can't help you. However you can use Islamic Art and Spirituality which is written by great Islamic scholar Seyyed Hossein Nasr especially if you'd like to be familiar with spiritual life in Islam. --Seyyed(t-c) 03:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the Novels WikiProject

Hi, and welcome to the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels".

A few features that you might find helpful:

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask one of the members, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! – Liveste (talk • edits) 05:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

John

I hope you didn't take my words too seriously! I know you're a John fan so I was curious about the Epiphone addition. No worries! :) NSR77 TC 22:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Am I a John fan? OMG. He's my favorite musician/human. Something about him... his vulnerability, honesty, and ability to be masculine in roles others might sneer at are terribly endearing.. The idea that he thought he wasn't very smart... but is one of the most awesome guitarists in the world, so, hell yeah. Do you really live in Hollywood?? I'm stuck in Washington DC! Shit, I'd kill to see the Chilis play up close. --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Your enquiry on my talk page

Hey L,

currently I'm not doing anything in Wikipedia, but I will certainly try to help you.

--Krautmaster (talk) 06:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ref name

Hi Leah - I had to change a bunch of citations in Cat Stevens to reflect the proper source pages - you need to include the correct URL and article titles, rather than just copying others in the article - and when you use "ref name" you don't repeat the actual citation - the point is to only list it once. I recommend that you take another look at WP:REF and WP:FOOTNOTES, particularly WP:REFNAME. There also are a few places that need citations or we'll have to remove the statements - particularly quotes. If these were quotes you added, maybe you can find the source you got them from - a general link to the overall website isn't enough. I also think we're relying too heavily on his website as source - the more we can use third party articles/books about him, the better, for objectivity. Cheers Tvoz/talk 09:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Whoops - left my reply on my page and I'm on my way out the door... so could you read it there? sorry Tvoz/talk 23:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but may have missed it because I was looking section by section - I'll take another look. I've been editing this article for almost two years and last I checked I had the highest edit count so I've been through a lot with it - I've tried hard to keep this a neutral piece, against waves of POV editors who have tried to slant it with their interpretations of his politics. I think we need to keep the political stuff in, of course, but have fought to keep it in balance. It's all in the talk archives. That's the reason the sourcing here beyond his own site is important - different from Frusciante - because Stevens' personal story has a lot more controversy built into it, and we need objective third party sources. When there's controversy, it's a good idea to have a diverse, objective bunch of sources. About pictures, I absolutely agree - we used to have a great one from the Cat Stevens era and had the album covers but all were knocked out when some factions on Wikipedia started going apeshit about images - way overboard in many cases - but there are just so many fights I can juggle and I have stayed pretty much away from image arguments. As a result I'm not always sure if a picture will be accepted - it's very subjective, in my opinion. But if you can get some free images, especially old ones, that would be really great to try. I know about the Muslim proscription against images, but it would appear that he doesn't go along with that, so I would hope there are some available. I'll try to explain "cite" if you run into a problem - now that I'm used to it I find it very easy and effective. There's a great tool that may help you - try here. I don't use the tool much any more, but it's good for learning the protocol. Last, I'm not particularly interested in Derek Trucks, but good luck with it. I have my hands full with the political articles - hope that will settle down in November. Tvoz/talk 03:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Quick partial reply: go to one of my most-used resources: WP:TEMPLATE (what else?) for the master table of contents to most templates - banners and inline - and look at the various categories. You probably want {{rewrite}} or one of the others in the "cleanup" section. Back later Tvoz/talk 16:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

←Leah, about wikilinks - common words don't need to be linked, and one link is generally enough; also, please check your links - being blue isn't enough - see baby grand, for example. I removed that link recently because it goes to a Billy Joel album, not the piano (and piano is already wikilinked) but I see you reinstated it. I took it out again, but please check when you add them. Thanks Tvoz/talk 03:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ron Holloway

Hey Leah, I've replied on my talk page. Also, you might try replying to User:Ronsax on his talk page. That way, you don't have to reveal your email address, but can maybe effect some progress on the situation. He might be amenable to discussion that way. Aleta Sing 17:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

From Leahtwosaints

Did you know you can answer me here? I know it's stressful with an admin. working over your shoulder, but I'll help you pull those banners down. I take it you are new at this, so just leave me a note. No hard feelings, we just need to know where this stands. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Leah! How are you? Wow, you and I knew each other around the late '70's into the early eighties! (I saw where you said that.) I know you're in my corner and I don't mind your help at all. Yes, I'm definitely new at this but I enjoy working on websites so I learn very fast. I'm sorry if my sending you emails upset you. I didn't mean to do that which is why none of those emails contained any anger. I was disturbed because I realized YOU thought someone was breaching copyright laws. Imagine my horror when that came across my mind- knowing I had composed those words on my Official site as well as the Wiki page. I was horrorfied because I knew I am not by any means guilty of that! I was trying to figure out some way to let you know what was REALLY behind the similarity in the language. I DON'T know your email address. When I went to your Talk page there is a link that reads "email this user" or something like that. THAT is how I was able to email you. You were being emailed by me but I had no idea what address those emails were going to. Sorry about the number(6 you said) of emails fired off very rapidly. I was desperate to prove my innocence. I haven't sent you any emails since Monday night. All of those emails were sent- one behind the other because I kept thinking of different things I wanted you to know. I very much want to have an accurate, factual page on Wikipedia that meets Wikipedia's standards. I'm not interested in using it to promote myself. I've had a very productive career playing with some historic figures like Dizzy Gillespie, Gil Scott-Heron, the Allman Brothers Band, Taj Mahal, John Hiatt, Delbert McClinton, Sonny Rollins, Freddie Hubbard, Dr. John and the list literally goes on. However, if you notice I don't mention all of these names. I only mention artists that I have an ongoing relationship with. There are MANY details I mention on my "Official" site that I know I cannot mention on the Wiki site.

I had already thought of putting "From Wikipedia" at the top of my "Official Website" bio but I realized it wouldn't be altogether true because if you really scrutinize each paragraph the details and the TYPES of details vary GREATLY from one another. There are also headings and paragraphs on the Wiki article that don't exist on my "Official" bio. For instance on my Official bio there are no headings or paragraphs on Little Feat, Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes, Gregg Allman or Susan Tedeschi. My "Official" website bio is grossly BEHIND when it comes to updated activity. YEARS behind! Of course SOME of the wording has been brought up to speed because once I "perfected" the language on Wikipedia I couldn't stand to read the more clumsy language of earlier drafts. Anyway, on closer scrutiny I think you will find if you compare my "Official" bio to the Wikipedia article about HALF the wording of each paragraph is written verbatim. The two versions differ substantially. This is why I don't really feel comfortable posting "From Wikipedia".

Anyway, thank you for your offer to "help you pull those banners down". It breaks my heart to look at those banners on my page. I'd very much like to improve the article so they can be removed! Help me, Leah--HELP ME!!! Haha! Certainly there are no hard feelings! If you can help me I'll be forever grateful. You would be my automatic guest to any show you cared to attend. (That's not bribery!) Tell me what to do to bring the quality to an acceptable level and I'll do it! OK, I'm going to sign off because this is long. Thank you, Leah and a HUGE THANKS to Aleta for her very helpful edit! Sincerely, Ron

Leah, I just noticed this message you left:

OK, Ronsax, first, this has nothing to do with Root Boy Slim, although I met Ron through his work with him when I was a teenager, that is true. The issue is that if you wrote everything for his website, it now must be listed on that website (his) too; that all the information was created here on the wikipedia. We cannot have mirror websites. This is an encyclopedia! Am I speaking to Ron himself? Or another person? I will help you with the work on this article if you wish, so we can pull these banners down, but I need to know your ties to Ron Holloway or whatever bands he's worked with- I'm familiar with several. You can leave a note on my talk page. I saw all the time consuming work you have put into the article, and that's why I didn't do anything foolish like delete it, but you really need to clarify your ties to Ron and your intentions with the website. If this is your first article, let me know. Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ron_Holloway" Cat

I didn't answer this message directly because I just noticed it a few minutes ago. First of all anyone who I met back then in the context of Root Boy Slim's band is AUTOMATICALLY a FRIEND! That's HUGE that you liked Slim and you and I met back then. You and I AUTOMATICALLY have a meaningful bond. I wonder if I'd recognize you if I saw you, Leah. This is Ron or Ronsax. It's ME Leah.  :-) Your friend from all those years ago. Back then I used to jam or sit in with a LOT of D.C. bands. I was actually a member of the Sex Change Band of course but I also used to sit in with Babe, Catfish Hodge, Jr. Cline, Dr. Goodfoot and the Toxic Socks, Bill Holland, Danny Gatton, Billy Price and the Keystone Rhythm Band, Mike Cotter and others. The venues back then were the Psychedelly, the Childe Harolde, Desperados, The Cellar Door, the Bayou, the Crazy Horse, etc. Convinced yet, my dear? Haha! Yes, this is my very first article here on Wikipedia and I appreciate the significance of this medium. I am honored to have such an opportunity to make a meaningful contribution! One thing Leah; this is by no means a mirror of my other website for so MANY reasons. Look closer. Only SOME of the sentences from each paragraph are verbatim. The content of each paragraph on my "Official" site veers away from the content of the Wiki article. Case in point: 

   * 2nd paragraph from my "Official" site:

In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz, renowned jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Ron Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B, and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling." While true, this only begins to touch upon the versatility of the tenor saxophonist! The quest for complete expression has been a hallmark of Ron Holloway's music from the beginning. Born August 24th, 1953, Ron grew up in a household where listening to jazz was a favorite pastime. His parents, Winston and Marjorie Holloway were, and remain avid jazz listeners. "My parents met while attending Howard University, in Washington, D.C. They both loved jazz and would frequently go to concerts at the Howard Theatre. 

   * Corresponding paragraph from Wikipedia as it originally appeared for many months:

Ronald Edward "Ron" Holloway (born August 24, 1953 in Washington, D.C.) is an American tenor saxophonist known for his ability to adapt to virtually any musical environment. In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz renowned jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Ron Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling." 

   * As the paragraph currently appears (after your contribution):

Ronald Edward "Ron" Holloway, born August 24, 1953 in Washington, D.C., is an American tenor saxophonist known for his ability to adapt to a variety of musical genres. In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz [1] jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling."[2]

These 3 versions share SOME of the same wording...By necessity the quote from Ira Gitler but they are fundamentally different. This holds true for each and every paragraph if you carefully A-B the articles. By no means is one a carbon copy of the other. Anyway, I welcome your help friend Leah.

Ronsax (talk) 12:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ronsax"

Ron, that's YOU?!!! AWESOME! I thought you were just a crazed fan, or --worse, the record label that was trying to promote your music. This is utterly great, since I remember you playing with "Crying out loud" which you did not mention, to show you that I am the crazed fan! Your sax-- whooo.. I could only, in those days, compare it to Clarence Clemons from Bruce Springsteen's band back in the day. You have many fans here, too, I see.. (Imagine lots of smiley faces here, OK?). First, lets get your talk page and your user page in order, and if you want, I'll mentor you, best as I know how, here on the wikipedia. Fair enough? You might vaguely remember me, from the Psychedelly, Childe Harold, and other places. I worked at a restauraunt called "Food for Thought" by Dupont Circle, and in the late seventies was an underaged college-attending teenager. At 15, I graduated from high school, and began at the University of Maryland, supporting myself through school. My boss, Bobby Ferrando, had a son, Dante, who, beginning when I was 17, I used to sneak into the 9:30 Club, (he was only 13, a little italian kid, and I'm blonde, LOL!) saying he was 16, so he could see X and other performers play; nowadays, guess who the owner is of the Black Cat??! Dante, of course. Funny world. I've been in touch with his dad by accident via You Tube sorta like this, too, recently. We were great friends; still are. Do you recall the birthday of one very famous jazz musician at the Psychedelly in Bethesda, Maryland, and how you celebrated it for the audience? If so, I'll really know this is truly you!  ;) I'm going to add a big template to help you edit to your talk page. I'll also help you make it an acceptable wikipedia article, editing it along with the other pages I'm doing right now. Whenever someone answers your messages, you should always get a big note on top of any page you go to work on, btw. Feel free to use my email address, you still have it, right? Blessings, --leahtwosaints (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Bravo!!

Leah you're an angel! Thank you for your time and the attention you've given this article. You have made some very noticeable improvements. As I look at the changes and adjustments you've made I can understand why you've made them. I feel very fortunate to have you helping me!

Sincerely, Ronsax (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Leah

First of all thank you so much for helping me clean up the article and bring it into an area of acceptability. I still have all of the newspaper articles and a long chapter in a book to back up everything in the article. You are correct when you point out the original Wiki article was started by a fan. Actually, by fans I don't personally KNOW! The couple had come home from one of my performances and decided they wanted to do it. I was totally surprised when I learned of the articles existence. I read it and I realized how SKETCHY is was. This kind of disturbed me. I didn't want sketchy, incomplete pieces out there. This is why I decided to try and create a piece that is based on provable, factual details. I welcome your input because I want to do this correctly or objectively. I'm not interested in creating a "promotional" piece as you rightly pointed out. You have done an excellent job of cleaning up some things! You have done so without losing the meaning of my original language and you retained the chronology of the events. I couldn't wish for more than that!

Thank you Leah (and Aleta),

Ronsax (talk) 12:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ron_Holloway"


The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

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