User talk:LAz17/Archive 3

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Topic-banned

LAz17, your continued feud with User:Ceha, which you have continued despite several warnings, leaves me no choice but to intervene. You have again met Ceha's work with rude accusations, insults and assumptions of bad faith ("What kind of joke are you?", "bullshit piece of crap"; "your on purpose switching of dates to try to confuse me" [1]). This is unacceptable, even if, as it appears, Ceha's work does in fact occasionally contain errors in need of critical review. You have demonstrated in a months-long pattern that you are not willing or not able to exercise this criticism in a constructive fashion. In the present instance, of your fight at Talk:Demographic history of Bosnia and Herzegovina, your latest answer to my question [2] indicates you have little factual basis for your shrill accusations, because nothing of what you said actually warrants a description of the map as factually wrong.

I have little hope that this situation will improve as long as you are free to pursue your feud. As I warned you earlier, you are therefore now topic-banned from all edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia. This sanction will be logged under WP:ARBMAC and can be appealed through the means described there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

All I can say is I apologize for not being involved lately. I won't pretend I didn't assume you'd get topic-banned or blocked for WP:NPA sooner or later, but I got completely swamped with work during a period. I was at the hospital practically all day, and I had little time for Wikipedia. When I got back you guys spread the "feud" out before settling the Bosnian map so I felt discouraged, sorry again. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 00:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

That big map is kinda silly. If you generalize like that all of Bosnia was populated by Muslims. That's unacceptable, unless the 1910 census generalized like that. Did the 1910 census generalize that way? (nothing I can do about the colors) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 13:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The point is, does the 1910 census present the information for the kotars, or merely for the districts? If only the information for the six districts exists, then the map is fine. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 12:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That's the same problem over and over again... Ceha makes maps that are not detailed enough to reflect Bosnia's complexity, so they may be viewed as biased. On the other hand, one can't force him to make detailed maps if he does not want to. What can be done? Here's what I recommend you do: write-up a post on WP:ANI. Make it brief, very brief, and make it clear. You feel the map is biased and that User:Ceha is making these generalized maps because he wants to depict Bosnia as "more Croatian", but then again the map is his and it is accurate on the more general level.

Its quite the dilemma, so be careful to present it in an objective and brief way. That's my advice. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Just saw this, and I'm afraid I have to intervene here: sorry Direktor, but this wasn't good advice. LAz is banned from making such posts. That goes for all namespaces, including WP:ANI. Sorry, he's had enough chances to raise his concern in such a brief and neutral and polite way. If he didn't manage to do that in over a year, why would he now? Direktor, you are quite welcome to raise the issue yourself if you find it important. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I see, apologies. Well lets cut to the chase, in a way. What's your opinion, FPaS? Bosnia is, of course, a very sensitive area as far as ethnic distribution is concerned. Čeha keeps making maps that are generalized in such a way they are perceived as biased, and its perfectly possible his goal is to push a Croatian nationalist POV (Ceha no offense, trying to be objective). On the other hand, his maps are accurate for the most part on their level of detail.

Is it worth getting feedback from the community? Ceha seems "within his rights", as it were. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 00:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

LAz, I'll get right to the point: if Čeha really is POV-pushing with these maps, there's probably nothing anybody can do about that. He's free to make any map he likes, and if its accurate, nobody can really tell him to remove it. However, we'll see what he intends to do with the image. If its really controversial I'll issue an RfC. You STAY AWAY or else. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 05:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

He has made inaccurate things in the past, hence my reasonable concern. I trust that you and FPaS will keep him in line. If there is one thing, it is that I respect your opinion and what you tell me. I will listen to you. Ti si moj batica. :) (LAz17 (talk) 06:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)).

Heh, fala lipa na povjerenju. One thing, though: stop talking about this, stop posting about this, just forget it for now. You will get blocked for good if you don't. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 11:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Blocked

With this edit, you have again continued your wild accusations and personal attacks against Ceha, despite the topic ban that was explicitly designed to stop you from doing this, and despite my recent warning that the topic ban was valid for all namespaces including user talk pages. Of course you are free to argue about your sanction or appeal against it, but if you can't do even that without insulting your opponent, then it's really no use. I am blocking you again for another 48 hours. If I find you attacking Ceha one more time, no matter on what page (including this), you will be indef-blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I did not attack him at all if you read my post carefully. I only stated what happened and what he does. It's all true. (LAz17 (talk) 06:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)).

Weren't you blocked from balkan issues ? [3] --Čeha (razgovor) 16:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

He's not banned from Balkan issues in general, he's banned from "edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia". He is welcome to make edits about other topics. I would ask Ceha to make his own contribution to keeping the peace by avoiding unnecessarily crossing paths with LAz, and I would ask LAz to avoid playing narrowly around the edges of the topic ban. LAz, I notice you did make some edits about the ethnic demographics of individual towns, as at Novi Pazar; please note that those, strictly speaking, do fall under the topic ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Re [4]: I'm going by the wording I used when stating the topic ban: "all edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia". I chose that wording at the time because it seemed a safe way to include all edits that I imagined would be likely to have a potential for similar trouble. Obviously the wording does include edits about the historical demographics of individual places. If you want to argue that this is wider than necessary and a significant portion of such edits have always been uncontroversial, we can talk about that and try to tailor the ban more closely to the situation. However, until we sort that out, I would ask you to please stick with the wording as it stands. – Re [5], your touchiness is still troubling, and I consider the sock accusation quite patently baseless. Please refrain from making such accusations. I know Ceha goes on your nerves; if he does, please just don't respond at all, because we know it's not going to end well. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Without to much talk, sorry. I did not mean to offend anybody just checking if something changed while I was away. It won't happen again. --Čeha (razgovor) 22:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

[6]

Calm Down

Please chill out. I am generally supportive of you on this. Polargeo (talk) 17:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no use in intelligent users like you getting blocked for incivility so I will ignore your comments about me on Talk:Bosnian War Polargeo (talk) 17:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Try this Polargeo (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh man...

In addition to apparently being in trouble about those railway templates, you also have broken your existing topic ban, with this edit [7].

Since I already warned you the other day, I can hardly let this one pass now. Blocked for 24hrs. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

RE:Hey

Sincere apologies for my belated response, LAz. Unfortunately, I am overwhelmed with work. As you can probably see from my contribs, I barely edit, and what little time I can spare is completely taken-up trying to keep a bunch of Croat nationalists from vandalizing one of the few good ex-Yugoslavia articles, the Josip Broz Tito article (and I probably won't be able to do that either, I can edit maybe on average once or twice a week). Apologies, again, and thanks for bringing such issues to my attention. Rest assured I shall investigate as soon as I can get a few days away from the hospital. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 13:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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USD Bosna

Should each club have it's own page or should the USD page be a larger/more complex entity? Too many pages will be difficult to maintain going forward. Then again, there is precedent with KK, HK, and RK?Miden (talk) 04:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hard work

		The Croatian Barnstar of Merit
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O, hvala hvala! :D (LAz17 (talk) 04:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)).

Demographic history vs historical demography

Please note that historical demography describes a specific concept, while demographic history is a generic disambig article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

pozdravljajus

Ej, hvala ti na obavestenju, prevecu ovih dana. Nego, imam mapu niskog tramvaja iz 1940. godine. Imam i neke lepe slike, tipa dan kada je prebacen prevoz na autobuse. Ne snalazim se najbolje sa pitanjima licence, ne znam da li mogu da uploadujem? Sta bi trebalo da se napise za licencu? Sta da radimo sa time? --Alexmilt (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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I've declined the request for speedy deletion of UKK Bosna, based on the assertion that they won a 2003 European championship. I've asked, on Talk:UKK Bosna, for better references (in English wherever possible) for the club. Please, as you find them, add them to the article. If you're unsure how to integrate them, put the link on the talk page. In my opinion, the article should get a couple of weeks incubation time, and if there's still weak sourcing then, it may be nominated for AfD. Granted, that's my opinion, and nothing restricts other editors from nominating it immediately. I am watching the article to see how it develops. —C.Fred (talk) 22:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with sportdata.org, but on the surface, I'd say that shows they've entered the 2010 Dutch Open. Since they're competing at the international level, that should show notability. —C.Fred (talk) 04:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Please!

Tell to other side not to call me someone's puppet!--71.163.232.225 (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Wanna help?

Caos, vidi... (ajde na Engleskom da neki ne razmisljaju sta pricamo...) I was wandering if you had noteced what is really going on on Draža Mihailović article. Well, I´ll just make you a fast resume:

Me and User:BoDu and User:Jean-Jacques Georges have been oposing User:DIREKTOR editing of the article in the "Draza, a WWII Axis collaborator" way. User:AlasdairGreen27 has been fully supporting direktor, and User:Nuujinn "je njihov, al kao nije".
Most of the debating has been done initially by J.J.Georges and direktor and then by me and BoDu vs direktor and AlasdairGreen27, having all this ended with a mediation request [8] that was accepted and finally, today User:Sunray accepted the mediation.
You can see all the discussions in the Draza talk page (archives Archive 2, Mediation request and Britannica beside the current talk page).
What I basically defend is that User:DIREKTOR is missinterpreting and exagerating the sources he has been using for the statements he has been making in the article, specially the lead one.
What is in question is weather can DM be considered simply as "WWII Axis collaborator", the obvious consequent text he has edited on the "Collaboration" sections of both DM and Chetniks articles, and also, important, the inclusion of them in the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism (see also talk page).

Wanna participate? The problem is that there may be no much time, because the mediator has just accepted the case, so I am not sure in what rhythm he would like to get this going. I am well prepared to dismantel the sources they have to demonstrate that they are not enough for the acusations direktor has been putting on him, but you may be very usefull to also help in further clarifiying his role. Anyway, kazi sta mislis, jer sam video da si vec ucestvovao u nekim diskusijama u 1om talk archives... Poz! :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Lazo, nemoras bre meni da pricas istoriju, samo sam te pitao jel oces da ucestvujes ili ne i ukratko ti rekao u cemu je stvar. FkpCascais (talk) 21:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This is not really important (CZ or RS), at least not like some other issues where I think we agree (DM, but not Deutsche Mark). Anyway, you will find me expressing my trouth opinion in all ocasions, despite what who (friends or enemies) think... I already said to Vitriden on his talk page why I defend Red Star (see if you want). Poz! :) FkpCascais (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I said, "this is not important as...", but I will keep my vote because I think so. Nego, svasta si tamo bezveze rekao, si siguran da neces nesto da popravis tamo, ili skines (mene uopste ne briga dali me podrzavas ili ne...) FkpCascais (talk) 03:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ti kazes da ja nemam veze sa clankom o Srpskom fudbalu, jesi ti video cime se ja masovno ovde na en.wiki bavim? A sad kad bolje pogledam, kakve ti veze imas sa fudbalskim clankom? Ti si totalni vanzemaljac u tome... FkpCascais (talk) 03:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

E pa red je onda da postujes tudje misljenje. A ti em svasta pricas em jos imas obraza da napises ono o nozu u ledja... E kakav si. Ja da te ostavim na miru? Necu vise da te vidim, al nije ovo ni tvoje ni moje dvoriste, pa ima da postujes tudje misljenje hteo, ne hteo, kao sto cu i ja. Idi sad placi kod tvojih... FkpCascais (talk) 03:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Meni pomogao oko "Italijanskog Hrvata"? O cemu pricas? FkpCascais (talk) 03:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Da ti mene nisi sa nekim pobrkao? Kakve ja veze imam sa tim Faust Vrančićem? FkpCascais (talk) 04:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ti mene em nisi pomogao, em si meni zabio noz u ledja, i to upravo sad, na CZ strani sa DM. Ja sam mislio da se slazes oko toga, a ti ne, ti si odabrao da se pajtas sa drustvom sto zeli da nazifikuje coveka koji se borio kako je znao i mogao. Ti meni hteo da drzis neke lekcije o DM i istoriji? Prihvatam ja kritike, ali nije bio nazi kako tvoj drug zeli zlonamerno da ga prikaze, i ja se borim snjim zbog toga a i zbog prostakluka kojim se ponasa. A ti, ti si mogao da budes uz nas tamo, ili ne, mene to ne interesuje, al da ti se ja svetim, nebudi smesan. Jesi procitao na mojoj strani o mom karakteru? Ja se radje druzim sa finim ljudima sa kojima se uopste neslazem oko mnogih stvari, nego sa prostacima koji se slazu u svemu samnon. Takav sam ja, i kazacu sto mislim ma ko god, i kolko god protivnika imao, uvek, cak i sam, kao sto vidis. Konkretno, oko CZ/RS sam bolje objasnio na Vitridenovoj talk page zasto sam tako glasao, i nadam se da ti je jasno. A sad, putuj i nek ti je sa srecom. I samo jos jednom napisi neku psovku na mojoj srani (smatraj se oprostenim). Nisam ja tvoj pajtos, drugi su. FkpCascais (talk) 04:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

CZ je Crvena Zvezda, naravno... Mnogo komplikujes, nista nisi shvatio, a ukratko sam ti vec bio objasnio, ja samo tvrdim da sve sto direktor pise oko DM nije u njegovim sources i da nemoze da pocne clanak sa: "DM, World War II Axis-collaborator...". To je netacno i nije neutralno, i da nema dovoljne sources da ubaci Drazu i Cetnike u Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism. On bi da stavi Cetnike i Drazu u isti nivo kao, recimo, NDH i Pavelic, a to je absolutno netacno. Nebranim ja njih, Cetnike i DM, al ne dozvoljavam ni da se preteruje i laze, kao u tom slucaju. Samo to. Nemoram ja da biram tebe ili nekog, niti kakva meni pomoc tamo treba, nego sam hteo da se neko drugi sa tim bakce, kapiras? Zaboravi, sve je tamo pod kontrolom, a tebi da ne pada na pamet da kad ti se negde suprostavim, lupetas stvari kao sto si na Red Star strani, kako ti se ja svetim, ili da ja nemam pojma. Razumes? Ako ja nesto tako mislim, tako mislim, i nece me sigurno presija, ili neko lupetanje uciniti da promenim misljenje, bio ti Papa ili Mike Tyson, ali civilizovano da diskutujemo, na to mozes uvek da racunas. FkpCascais (talk) 05:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Metro

Ako pogledaš bolje, članak je iz 2004. i piše da će zagreb dobiti metro za 5 godina :) Sad je prošlo 6., još uvijek smo na tramvajima, i tako će biti vjerojatno narednih 20 godina. Trenutačno je ovo aktualno. Nisu u stanju poboljšati prigradsku željeznicu, niti izgraditi prugu do Samobora, a kamo li izgraditi metro.--Ex13 (talk) 07:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Red Star Belgrade/FK Crvena zvezda

You can't just change name, after dozens of people have said their reasons for the English name. I think the name should be FK Crvena zvezda as well, but there is a way to make that change (propose the move again, and then wait for the results of the discussion), and this isn't that way, so I am reverting it back to Red Star Belgrade.--Vitriden (talk) 12:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Vau, kakav si ti car. Elem, ako jos jednom ovo uradis, prijavicu te za blok, mada vidim da ti nece biti prvi put. Pozdrav i postuj tudje misljenje ako zelis da te iko shvati kao bilo sta drugo do iskompleksiranog idiota koji je upao u trip da je opasna faca posto moze da menja clanke na vikipediji kako mu se prohte.--Vitriden (talk) 09:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Ali, ja sam samo ignorisao sva pravila. Aaaa, sad ti se ne svidja, je li?--Vitriden (talk) 14:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You are extremely ill-mannered, and you refer to the Ignore all rules policy. Then you say I should follow the rules. Do you really think everyone else is an idiot?--Vitriden (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Da, svi su glupi, samo si ti pametan. Aj zdravo.--Vitriden (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Page moves

Pages should never be moved by simply redirecting them. You need to move the entire page, which includes its edit history, for the page to be compliant with the GDFL and CC licenses. Please do not do this in the future; instead file a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves if you think a page needs to be moved. Parsecboy (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Grr!

Ma, ubiću te! :) Nemoj mi tražiti, nagrade se ne traže! ništa se ti ne sekiraj! --Tadija^speaks 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Re

I thought about saying something about Fkp, but I figured its probably best to let you see for yourself. Šta možeš... lik me prati okolo :)

Just found this. Summer's coming... ;) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 23:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

A, gde ja to tebe, kao, pratim, majke ti? Likove kao ti ja obicno samo ispracam... FkpCascais (talk) 03:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Hej, samo da ti javim, ako vec ne znas, da je to ovde na ANI: [9]. Mislim, nema veze, samo ga spominju, a kad sam video stranu, pogledao sam edit history i video sam da si je ti dosta editovao, pa zato ti javljam. Dobro si to uradio, ako se sad zove Kneževo, onda je Kneževo, a izgleda da te i ovaj Hans Adler, sto je tamo odgovorio, podrzava. Nego, sta bi sa Srbinjem/Foče? Na cemu je to ostalo? FkpCascais (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Nisam u toku o Brodu, al znam da se zove "Bosanski" da bi se razlikovao od "Slavonskog", bitno je kako se zvanicno zove grad sada. Ako su ga promenili u samo Brod, onda treba da bude "Brod (city)", nema sta. FkpCascais (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ma sto se Srbinja tice, nisam ja ni za ni protiv, nego pitam, onako... Oko Broda, ako hoces ja da ga menjam moras da sacekas da to potvrdim, a jedino da uradimo onaj "move request" kao sto je Vitriden uradio z Zvezdu oko imena. Problem isto je sto 3 sajta na strani govore o "Bosanskom Brodu" a 2 o "Brodu". Jel to onaj zadnji link, evo ovaj [10], zvanicna internet strana grada? FkpCascais (talk) 02:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Dobro, to si uradio. Ja bi im eventualno ostavio one sajtove, al odvojene od ovog zvanicnog, al nema veze. Dobro je. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Dobro je, dobro je... nemoj samo da im skidas zvezdice, od sada cemo samo da dodajemo! ;) FkpCascais (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Pa lepo pise na mojoj strani. Nisi video? FkpCascais (talk) 05:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Moras vise da gledas strane od drugih, to sve kaze o njima (ne mislim na mene, nego inace na vikipediji). Narocito kad diskutujes sa nekim, moras da mu pogledas stranu, da znas sto vise o njemu. Sto se ekipa tice slazem se absolutno sa tobom, mene vise intereseuje da nas fudbal celokupno napreduje nego samo jedna ekipa, makar to bila moja. Sa ovim, ocu da kazem, da mislim isto kao i ti, trebala bi OFK-a, ili Vosa da pobede. Eto, meni ove sezone bilo zao Vose, dosta je ulozila u igrace i sve, pa nista nije uradila... Jesi ti inace iz Hrvatske ili Bosne? Moji od mame su iz Sarajeva. FkpCascais (talk) 06:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Eto, ja sam se rodio u BG, odrastao u Meksiku, kratko vreme ziveo u New York-u, opet malo u Bg-u, pa sad vec zivim vise od 20 godina u Lisabonu, u Portugalu. Cesto zbog posla skacem i u Madrid, a kad god mogu dodjem u moj omiljeni grad gde sam se rodio, a ponekad i na more u Hrvatsku, al sad bas nedolazim puno, ipak gledam da kad imam vremena odem i do nekih drugih mesta. Evo sad zadnje sam ponovo bio u Maroku, ziva zajebancija i kulijana. FkpCascais (talk) 06:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Lazo, nemozes tamo na mediation da ucestvujes. Vidis da je pitanje dali ce uopste Nuujinn i Isidoradaven, koji su se upisali, moci ucestvovati (ti se nisi ni upisao gde treba). Zato sam te na vreme i pitao dali zelis da ucestvujes ili ne. A sto tamo pricas da sam ja Cetnicki simpatizer??? Ja to pod jedan nisam (Deda mi je bio partizan i putovao sa Titom), a vec sam ti 100 puta rekao da se ja samo tamo suprostavljam nacinu kako ga direktor prikazuje... Sto me sad zajebavas, nisam ja nigde njih branio, to je bas direktor pokusao da prikaze, a nije tacno: Ja samo tvrdim da oni nisu NAZI kako direktor ih prikazuje, nista vise!. To sam ti vec bar 2 puta ponovio, a ti uporno neshavatas. Ja cak smatram da treba drugi da ucestvuju jer ja nisam najbolji da ih branim! Zasto? Zato sto nisam simpatizer njihov!!! Razumes??? Ajde sad to idi popravi, ili skini, jer si totalno pogresio, bar o meni! FkpCascais (talk) 07:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC) Shvati molim te jos jednu stvar:direktor nije "Yugoslav nationalist", to je diskutabilno. On se ovde najvise bakce oko branjenja Hrvatskih Dalmatinskih likova protiv Italijana, a u tome nema nista "Partizansko", ili jako malo "Jugoslovenskoga". On nece da prizna, al on je jako anti-Srpski nastrojen. Kako? Tako sto cini sve da umanji ili gazi Srpsku ulogu u 2-om, a kako vidim, i u svim drugim situacijama. A ja nigde nekazem da Cetnici nisu kolaborirali (gde si to video da ja kazem, sem u direktorovoj propagandi?). Ja samo kazem da, sources to nijedne ne tvrde (da je on iskljucivo kolaborator). MOLIM TE PROCITAJ OVO DOBRO (VISE PUTA AKO TREBA) DA BI SHVATIO. FkpCascais (talk) 07:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nemoj lose da me shvatis, al ja stvarno mislim da je sad kasno da ucestvujes. Ja sam te lepo zvao na vreme, nerazumem sto sad hoces da ucestvujes. A vidim da nisi ni shvatio sta je zaista u pitanju. Jesi uopste procitao talk page na Drazinoj strani (ne ovaj zadnji, nego i arhive od pre 3 meseca kad je sve pocelo?). FkpCascais (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, LAz17. You have new messages at Tadija's talk page.
Message added 22:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Tadija^speaks 01:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

D.Mihailovic

Lazo, sad stvarno, jel ti znas sta je tamo u pitanju? Jer ja se bojim da ti nisi procitao diskusiju na talk page oko ove mediation i zato mesas ovu diskusiju sa nekim tvojim prethodnim... Drugo, ja mislim da ti bas nemas poziciju oko ovog pitanja, pa ni nevidim neku svrhu da ucestvujes da bi navijao za izjednacenje, razumes? Bojim se da ces lose da me shvatis, al ja stvarno neznam zasto hoces da ucestvujes, sem zbog "ucestvovanja". FkpCascais (talk) 02:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Translation:

Laz, really, do you know what is in question over there? Is because, I´m affraid that you haven´t read the discussion on the talk page regarding this mediation, and that you are mixing up this discussion with some previous that you had... Another issue is that I feel that you don´t really have a position regarding the questions there, so I don´t see the point of having you cheering for the draw, see? I´m affraid you´re not going to understand this in the right way, but I really don´t understand why you want to participate, rather then just for "participating". FkpCascais (talk) 02:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Fkp, jeli se to meni čini ili ti laganini mičeš sve usere za koje misliš da bi ti možda mogli proturječit? Ohladi malo i pusti ljude na miru: hoće li neko sudjelovat je između njega i mediatora. Malo se previše posesivno ponašaš prema ovoj medijaciji. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Link

Loved the link :), here's one for you: [11]. TBF, e s ovom stvari se slažem 100%... --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Aww bro, come visit me more often here in this doghouse. :(

Frankly I am not a fan of rap/rnb stuff. This is one of the few such songs that I can listen to... [12] You like punk or rock at all? (LAz17 (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)).

LAz17

Prijatelju, pa rekao sam ti već na srpskoj Wikipediji da ne možeš da psuješ ljude. Izvini, ali sam morao da ti protivrečim na Wikiquette alerts. Molim te pokušaj da ne psuješ ljude u budućnosti, jer ćeš tako samo biti blokiran, a ništa zaista nećeš postići. Molim te izvini ako sam te uvredio ovim, ali samo moram da pokušam da te zaista uputim na pravi put, tim pre što si tako sjajan učesnik koji je napisao toliko mnogo odličnih članaka. Nadam se da ću tih takvih članaka videti i dalje. Preksutra ću raditi onaj članak na srpskoj wiki o kom smo pričali. Dodaću sve nove podatke. Pozdrav, i kuckamo se! :) --Tadija^speaks 21:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Nevidim nista lose na tim altertovima. Sta god je tu za mene, takodje je za ovog fkpa. To sto si napiso tamo je neutralno i uredu.

Sto se tice uvreda na srpskom vikiju - reko sam ti vec - moje izmene koje su bile pozitivne su bile uklonjene bez razloga. Ja sam uradio nesto iz dobre namere, da popravim stranicu. A ovaj vratio nazad na slabiju. Tu nema opravde, i treba da se taj tip ukloni sa srpske vikipedije, ili da se kazni na neki nacin. Ko sto je sam kazo, vredja ga da bude slicno ko sa engleskom verzijom... sta moze iko da odgovori na tu logiku? Nije bitno ipak, mislim da je sad tamo resen problem. Zahvaljujuci tebi nemoze vise da vraca na onu staru verziju, a nova ostaje. :) (LAz17 (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)).

Re: Round 2

I would like not to have any contact with you. Ever. Bye.--Vitriden (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for attempting to harass other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Fences&Windows 22:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have said "fuck off" to an annoying user because he was stalking me. I felt very bothered by his stalking, which is why I said what I said. I am sorry. I understand the mistake that I made and will not repeat it in the case that he stalks me in the future, or in any other similar circumstance.

Decline reason:

That whole exchange was completely unacceptable. The tone of your request and your history of blocks for this exact behavior make it seem like an unblock is a poor idea. Kuru (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The nature of the circumstances that have taken place now were very different than before. Never before was somebody stalking me like this. I understand what the problem was, and I won't do it again. I would like to be unblocked, or to have my sentance reduced. I do not understand what you mean by the "tone of my request" - am I supposed to cry? Rule no.1 on wikipedia is to be bold. That I am, and I understand that it is not acceptable to say such rude things. I have understood the problem, and would fix it.

Decline reason:

"The provoker has been banned more lately than I have" is some sort of defence? You have read WP:NOTTHEM, right? Let me quote your block log: 48hrs for disruptive editing; 72hrs for edit warring on a Balkan-related article; 48hrs for attacks; another 48hrs for personal attacks against the same editor; and now this one for personal attacks for 1 week. Every single time in the past you have been advised how to better deal with this type of issue - instead, you continue to attack the other, even as you attempt to request unblock. Wikipedia has an escalating series of blocks - you're lucky that this one is only a week: I gurantee your next will be many multiples of that. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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Oh for heaven's sake man... "fuck off"? I know what you're dealing with, but did you want to get blocked?? See ya in a week. :P --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 22:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

He was stalking me. (LAz17 (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

Well if he was, you just report him and provide links, you don't tell him to "go fuck himself" or whatever... :) You just get instantly blocked, što vidimo iz priloženoga. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 01:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

When you get back, I've got an issue that you may be interested in. Foreign Relations of Kosovo (talkpage post). The article should be entitled "Foreign Relations of the Republic of Kosovo" since "Kosovo" ≠ "Republic of Kosovo", and needs a well-publicized requested move (WP:RM). Basically, the community needs to be informed about the WP:RM or it will be voted down for political reasons since most people on teh article (except Bazonka) are Albanian (which is understandable, since the article is about the foreign relations of the Albanian state in Kosovo). --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 02:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Bro, need your help... could you put

onto Nikola Tesla? (LAz17 (talk) 06:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Unblocking

Would you agree to an indefinite topic ban for all Balkan-related topics and articles and a restriction that you must only post in English (which you should be doing anyway)? Toddst1 (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are in other words asking me to leave wikipedia, as that is 99% of what I am doing here. Your question is not fair. I have gotten barnstars for my efforts. And you ask me to totally quit because I over-reacted to a guy stalking and annoying me? Your offer is basically an indefinite ban - why would someone take something that is worse? You offer me something that is worse. (LAz17 (talk) 03:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

No, it's just you seem to have difficulty interacting with users within the Balkan world. It's not my opinion, it's your block log. You're welcome to decline my offer. Toddst1 (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not have difficulty. Others do. I am merely the victim of nationalist aggression. This last user feels that I am a betrayer because I do not hold the same view that our hero was a nazi collaborator. (LAz17 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

I have difficulty interacting with anyone who goes about harassing and maltreating me. I am a human being, not a machine. I have received barn-stars for my edits towards the balkans. I am a good constructive contributing member to wikipedia. If someone goes up and attempts to rape your wife and kids - what would you do? Would you sit there helplessly? No, you would do something. It is called the reaction to provocation. That is what is very common in the balkans - nationalists provocating those who are neutral. It is that stalinist method of "you're with me or against me". I have trouble dealing with that- instead of helping deal with this you punish me. The guy was for crying out loud stalking me dude! (LAz17 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)). What else can you tell a guy who stalks you other than "fuck off"? I had the same problem the other day, some begger would not stop pestering me. I had no money on me and he was still harassing me. I simply kept walking and when I was near some cops I said PLEASE FUCKEN LEAVE ME ALONE, and they helped remove this trashwad away. It is common in english language to tell someone fuck off when they are simply glued to you and have the intention of harassing you. That is the case that we have here. Again, I ask, what am I supposed to do in such an unbearable situation where a person is doing just about all they can to harass you? Seriously, if someone decides to bother your wife would you just let them? That's the situation in which we are in. The dude was stalking me. My actions are an initiation to nothing - they are a consequence of harassment. (LAz17 (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

The provoker has been banned more lately than I have. [13] vs [[14]] That rests my case. I get into trouble sporadically when some nationalist won't stop bothering me. (LAz17 (talk) 06:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Just as curiosity, could you please be able to provide evidence and say exactly where am I "stalking you"? FkpCascais (talk) 11:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC) Also, could you please provide some evidence for you acusation that I am a "nationalist"? Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You followed me to the serbian wikipedia, looking at what others wrote on my talk page and followed my trails. (LAz17 (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Btw, I didn´t. I read your comment on another users talk page, right here on english wiki. I also have an account on Serbian wiki, so it wouldn´t be so strange, anyway... So, that was the reason of all this insults? FkpCascais (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You do everything you can to annoy me, and it all stems from the fact that you look at me as a 'betrayer of the serbs' as I know that it is a fact that Draza was a nazi-collaborator. Heh, yeah, come to some serbian churches in chicago and you will see that they have posters in them of wanted signs for draza. The good ol' chetnik chruches glorify the man's crimes. He was a hero afteral. You hate me for feeling that Draza was with the Nazis.

Your hatred on me regarding the 'betrayal' has led you to harass me as much as possible. This culminated with you following me to the serbian wikipedia. There was nothing on here that indicated precisely what was going on. I do not even have a username there. That means that you searched extra hard to track me down over there. And you did, good job, all with the purpose to tarnish my image. This is why I said FUCK OFF - had I not, probably nothing would have happened. But you were persistent. It paid off. Congratulations, nazi sympathizer, but you'll never manage to make Draza an angel... he's rotting in hell, along with everyone else from the balkans. (LAz17 (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

I really don´t care about you, but I wan´t avoid articles just because you propose some changes I disagree on them. Btw, you are the one lying about all this "betrayel story", I will repeat, I don´t want your help, neither I wanted. I am not even a 100% Serb... You still didn´t even read the talk page on what you want to participate, and you still don´t even understand what I stand for there, or you just ignore it, so you can say all this silly talk you have been saying about me.

You had your chance to apologise, now, please avoid any further contact with me, and if we get to be present on some discussion on some article, please comment on content, not on me. Please, don´t post comments ever again on my talk page either. I´ll report any further lack of respect on your behalve. Good editing (oh!, sorry, you are blocked... be cool!) FkpCascais (talk) 17:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You are a harasser, as is proven with this, [15] Hence that award has been granted to you as of now.

Your vendetta against me has nothing to do with any moving pages - it simply has to do with me not backing you regarding the nazi collaborator fascist leader Draza.

And on all of this you stalk me. And the administration lets you get away with it, by punishing the victim. What we have now is what is known as Blaming the Victims. (LAz17 (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Yes, you´re right, that´s your best evidence of stocking by me that you´ll ever have... FkpCascais (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I never accused you of stocking. (LAz17 (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Visiting hours

Sorry I couldn't come sooner, but you know that as a respected member of this community I cannot be seen to associate with the likes of you. xD

But seriously, kako stvari u zatvoru? :) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 17:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Lolzers. Things are alright I guess. I have used this time wisely to contemplate how to raise hell after I come back. I plan to poke my finger into the eye of everyone who I can. Muahaha. Kidding, of course. :)

But, I sniffed out something that might be interesting - territorial subdivisions of Krajina. I suppose it might piss off people, but if the Nazi Gaue can exist, I figure why shouldn't this also exist. I'm also gonna make the page for Berkovo, something similar to Žač - though note how the population of Zac changed. Something really messed up has been going on with the census data...

I gotta oppose you on one thing though... the chetnik stuff - I think that there should be a third category on the page that says allied and axis, instead of clumping them into one or the other. I guess when one is on the middle ground one gets shit from both sides, not just one... kinda a rough position to be in. :P

So tell me, does this intrigue you at all? [16] [17]

You probably missed this - [18](LAz17 (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)).

What d'you think of Europe's new map? [19] (LAz17 (talk) 05:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)).

lol

Meant to reply to this but I forgot. This was my reaction:

-- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha which ever way you wish to interpret it. Do watch the language though, I already lost my other nemesis Aradic and I can't afford to lose the one that got me my first block. The "crybabywhiners" are fuckin' with the system. -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 12:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

lol -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 16:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought the Serbian medal was a nice touch. The intentions for the maps were good but the outcome was terrible. Especially when the "heavenly blue" discussion came about; however I can't blame you though, Karadzic did the same. :P [20] -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 12:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Sad when we can't even agree on colors. lol -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 21:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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