User talk:Kylu/Archive 5

Archive 5

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Bug #550

What is Bug #550?--Chili14 04:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Basically, the fix for Bug 550 allows admins to block IPs from edting without affecting logged-in users. Previously, if, for instance, you blocked all of AOL, then nobody from AOL could edit, even if they had an account. See Bug 550 for all the details, if you'd like. 207.145.133.34 16:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

WIkipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award

Kylu, thanks for signing up for the Esperanza User Page Contest. The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done.

Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 10:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Halo nominated me, actually, but thank you! I find it flattering someone thinks my page is pretty enough to win a contest! (Even if I did blatantly steal most of the design from poor Mopper...) ~Kylu (u|t) 07:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Re Oversight

Hi. Actually, my own request is the first one that I'm seen go through. It should provide interesting insight on the procedure, which should help enrich the Oversight page. For instance, Requests for permissions, the page from Meta, has a seemingly contradictory wording in the header of the section regarding oversight permissions for this Wikipedia: it gives the impression that a user should ask there, and that the greenlight from the ArbCom would be procured only once the request there has been logged. I guess that can happen too, but it is better if one posts there having already secured the "ok" from the ArbCom. Because of the wording situation, I decided to start my request there a few hours after having posted on the ArbCom talk page, thinking that I'd probably get an answer here before a Steward could get around to addressing my request. As it turns out, the Stewards were faster than the ArbCom, so now my request there is in standby, while I'm waiting for an answer from the ArbCom. Redux 13:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. As you requested, I'm keeping you up to speed. This post on Meta from Voice of All is of the utmost relevance. Still, I'm waiting to see what the ArbCom will say about my rationale. It seems to be the case, however, that oversight rights cannot be requested, they are only given as an "extension" of another tool (CheckUser) or a position (ArbCom member). Redux 21:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think at the moment I'm standing by my assertation that +oversight is presentable to those who are "designees of ArbCom" also (in addition to VoA's information), as there are non-ArbCom members who have +oversight. At the moment, this seems to be the most accurate presentation of the facts, I think. I'll update the page soon. ~ Kylu 207.145.133.34 22:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Those non-arbcom users are former arbcom users. It was never an extension of checkUser. I talked to about this on IRC to arbcom members. The MediaWiki Foundation created Oversight without warning and told the arbcom to choose who gets it. Giving it to people with CU was a quick way to give it to trusted people without having to go through some sort of lengthly confirmation process. Several arbcom member thought that it could use expansion, but there were not many easy ways to do so. They later agreed to give it to several active Arbcom members (as not all of them had CU) and several former arbcom memebers. Hope that clearifies things.Voice-of-All 23:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for the info! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Although it doesn't bear any relevance to your work, I thought I'd give you the final update: the ArbCom has approved my request, and Mark has already posted on Meta requesting the status for my account. Redux 03:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Err, actually, I've known about that for a while now, but thank you for telling me! It's still good for clarifying approval policy. The scary thing is, I'd rather get this absolutely right, as I notice on wikis it tends to be that when you write a description of a wiki-process, people start pointing to it as policy. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought you probably already knew. Just wanted to make sure. About the page, in fact it will be reflecting policy, since Oversight is guided by policy (such as: the ArbCom decides who gets it, and the instances in which the tool is to be used). Interestingly enough, several pages people refer to quite often, although not policy, really started thanks to an initiative from a single user, or maybe a handful of users. WP:BEANS and WP:SPIDER are examples. Originally, BEANS wasn't even in the project space, but it got moved there eventually because people liked the concept so much.
I'll work on the Oversight page with you, and hopefully others will join us. If we can get it to a great level, we can eventually ask that it be linked in the Listusers special page. But we'll cross that bridge when/if we come to it. Redux 04:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Just so you know, I now have a new username at User:Seivad. Previously I was known as [[User::Abcdefghijklm]]. _{This message has been left for everyone who has left a message on my talk page} . Thanks for your time, Seivad 21:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Hi. I will be gone from tomorrow until the twenty-ninth of July. Please bear that in mind when sending me messages. Also, your username appears on my userpage. I would like you to replace it with your signature. No timestamp is neccesary. Thank you and have a nice day.Chile14 21:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

So...

Since you're my friend a highly respected admin and all... I was wondering if I could use you to my advantage ask you nicely for something.

Can you undelete these pages that I db-author'd? Pretty please?

• User:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake/Organization C
• User:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake/soapaward
• User:The prophet wizard of the crayon cake/cheeseaward

Thanks. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 02:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Misza13's pile!

Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 0x0104/0x01/0x00. I'm happy that so many people have put faith in my abilities as an admin and promise to use the tools wisely and do my best not to let you down. If I ever may be of assistance, just leave a note on my talk page. Misza13, the rouge-on-demand admin wishes you happy editing! NOTE: This message has been encrypted with the sophisticated ROT-26 algorithm. Ability to decipher it indicates a properly functioning optical sensor array.

My dear Kylu

My dear Kylu, now that I'm back from my Wikibreak and the flurry of most deserved congrats has slowed down on your Talk page, it is the perfect moment for me to drop by and congratulate you myself. Your extremely kind words to me are very special and they mean a lot, because I so value the person who spoke them. I was confident you'd make it; good and valuable people have been turned down at RfA for a number of reasons, but sometimes, just sometimes, there is justice in this world and the right thing happens. We all love you, Kylu, because we see the great goodness in you, and your incredible will to help and work hard. Please, remember that if your faith ever fades away again. With a great, BIG hug, your friend now and always, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 10:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Now DSL's out...

I don't want to edit much from here (being careful to ensure I'm logged out after I'm done here!) so I may be missing until the phone lines at home get fixed. Yay. :P

• Cake: files undeleted. :)
• Chili: sig added, thank you. :)
• Phaedriel and Misza: *hugs*

~Kylu (u|t) 13:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Note to self: When undeleting pages, don't undelete the version with the speedy deletion tag on it. ~Kylu (u|t) 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Note to Cake: it's fine if you refer to me as a friend, I don't mind. ~Kylu (u|t) 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

So, now DSL's back up again, but slow. I think it's retraining the line. c.c ~Kylu (u|t) 19:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, please take a look at this change -- has your name on it. --Yurik 06:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's just bloody lovely. If you'd like to indefblock for impersonation and vandalism, I'd be quite grateful. I'd be willing to bet $5 that's coming from IP 216.164.203.90. Any takers? 207.145.133.34 15:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Re WP:OVER

Hi Kylu. This edit from my user talk page is from you, right? I posted on the talk page explaining the changes. This one specifically is because the "user4" template provides a link to the user-specific Special:Emailuser page. As far as Oversight is concerned, the links to the Admin logs of the users didn't appear to be relevant for the page, whereas providing the visitor with links to the users' talk pages (which the "admin" template does) and to email (which the "admin" template does not provide, and which was key to my thinking that "user4" was better suited for the page) is essential, since people visiting the page may well be looking to request Oversight intervention, and they'll want to contact a user with the permission — noting that email seems to be preferred by those requesting that the tool be used, most probably because it is private, ie, it is not registered in Wikipedia, since the situations where Oversight may be necessary are those where people are concerned about private, sensitive information about themselves having been exposed on Wikipedia when it was not their desire to share that information.
Thank you for adding my name to the list. Actually, I hadn't forgotten about me: when I was editing the page, I had not yet been given the Oversight bit, since we had a little difficulty finding a Steward online to carry out the request (it took a little more than two days for it to happen). Coincidentally enough, it happened soon after I had edited WP:OVER. If you hadn't done it already, I'd probably be there right now adding my name. So thank you again for taking care of that. Cheers, Redux 01:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Aha, didn't think about that with user4, good point! Anyway, I was mostly teasing with you forgetting your own line: I sure wouldn't forget if I were waiting as long as you had. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 02:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Problems

Please see WP:DATE on your date renumbering [...] Please use this time to review the appropriate policies (WP:DATE and WP:MOS) if you'd like to make the most efficient use of your time. When you've returned, please feel free to continue editing, but be aware that you must continue to listen to the opinions of others while here: Wikipedia is not run by one person alone but the whole community. Thank you. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid you yourself did not read those documents, otherwise you would be aware that they say what I am saying.

See you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.44.85.64 (talk • contribs) .

I've read them, and to be honest, the arguing about it all and continuing to perform the changes while in discussion about whether it's proper or not while evading a block is the part that got me. Once you're blocked, that's fine, continue to discuss the changes. If you change usernames or IPs though and continue to edit so the block doesn't inconvenience you, that's unacceptable.

Please, continue to discuss the changes with the appropriate people, but until the block finishes, please also don't keep editing pages. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

They blocked me indefinitely (at the first offence, if this does matter). How could I discuss?--Brunetti 19:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You can still post on your talkpage when blocked, plus you can email the admin in question (go to their userpage, click "E-mail this user" on the toolbox) to continue the discussion. The part that I think I've failed at getting across is that...and this is important...if multiple people are asking you to stop editing, there's probably a very good reason why. The best thing to do is to stop doing what you're doing, point out the appropriate policy page (which you did, very good) and then wait for them to respond, then you discuss the changes before continuing. While Being Bold gets you a lot of mileage on here, there's also a time to stop and listen. That's the part you were failing at, and why you were being blocked. If you can work as a community, then we welcome you to do so. If you can't, then perhaps you'd be better to write elsewhere? ~Kylu (u|t) 20:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

"If multiple people are asking you to stop editing, there's probably a very good reason why." Probably. The fact is that nobody, even you here and now, cares about the content, but everyone, you included, care about the form.

And, maybe, trying to change things for better is harder that receding, but in the end means something that going away does not.--Brunetti 20:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The content changes, the content will always change, hopefully for the better as it evolves by being edited by people. That wiki, the process itself, is the driving force behind the continual improving of the content here, not a single editor (even Jimbo himself!). If you want to improve the content, do it in a wiki manner. There's an established cycle here: Be Bold, revert, discuss. The problem is you didn't discuss, you simply continued to edit in the manner you wanted and ignored the pleas of others to stop editing and try to discuss. Wikipedia isn't going to fall out of use in one day because date formats were incorrect. We don't have to worry about making the publication deadline for Wikipedia. Again, When someone asks you to stop, Stop Editing. It's really that simple. Then you can talk things over, determine who's wrong or right or whatever you'd like to do, but first you have to stop and discuss. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand you miss some pieces. My point is here, end of the page. Best regards.--Brunetti 20:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I've read this and sympathize, but I still have to insist that without collaboration, without discussion when a dispute arises, we can't get anything accomplished here at all. I wish you luck in whatever you do in the future, but if you somehow take part in Wikipedia again, please keep in mind that there are always avenues for discussion. You could even, possibly, contact me. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 00:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Zereshk

Go ahead and remove them. User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

'kay, thanks. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin!

Congratulations on achieving admin status!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 12:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

silliness spotted...

(01:20, 25 July 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:JD UK (removing gobs and gobs of NPA's)) I think it's actually removing gobs of PA's under our NPA policy. Snicker. ++Lar: t/c 15:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

y'know, I thought of that, and then realized that if I said PA's nobody would know what I was talking about. NPA in that case wasn't quite correct, but was more understandable I think! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

And yes, I am quite silly at times. Did I tell you my sister got bit by a llama once? ~Kylu (u|t) 17:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

you, silly? I Did Not Know That!^TM You'll have to tell me how your sister actually managed to get bit by a llama some time (I've been spit on by a llama, and bitten by a lamer but...), or was that actually your evil twin sister who looks just like you? ++Lar: t/c 17:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It was my evil twin sister, the one that steals my accounts to perform all those mean blocks and tacks people with warning templates and does rollbacks. I'm the one that makes constructive edits and protects things and is all around nice. Oh, yeah, I've got more information on that bridge I was going to tell you... very nice, painted orange. Next time we're both in San Fran I'll show it to you... ~Kylu (u|t) 17:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I am no longer in the market for bridges, a nice man sold me this one (pictured). Orange is so last century anyway, and besides the Mac is a bigger bridge (as well as being painted in my fraternity colors!!! how cool is that?). But if you're angling around for a free trip to SF... um, let's talk. Just not here. ++Lar: t/c 19:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

o.o;; ~Kylu (u|t) 19:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

(→silliness spotted... - bridges? now to go hide under one!)... ZOMG are you calling yourself a Troll? ++Lar: t/c 20:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

At least I have complete regeneration, unless wounded by fire or acid! ~Kylu (u|t) 20:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

(See, the gag is that while lar was talking about trolls, I was talking about trolls instead! Nyuk nyuk! Just don't think I'm trolling okay...?) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not funny if you have to explain it. --Ideogram 01:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Au contraire, mon ami! That's the funny part, the explanation! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

MedCab

Hi, Kylu. No apology was needed. You did nothing wrong: you just got caught in the middle of a mess. Best, Sandy 19:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Mm, thanks, but considering I'm supposed to be helping run the place, you'd think I'd understand what was going on there. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Research Survey Request

Hello, I am a member of a research group at Palo Alto Research Center (formerly known as Xerox PARC) studying how conflicts occur and resolve on Wikipedia. Due to your experience in conflict resolution on Wikipedia (e.g., as a member of the Mediation Cabal) we’re extremely interested in your insights on this topic. We have a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=400792384029 which we are inviting a few selected Wikipedians to participate in, and we would be extremely appreciative if you would take the time to complete it. As a token of our gratitude, we would like to present you with a PARC research star upon completion. Thank you for your time.

Parc wiki researcher 00:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
PARC User Interface Research Group

That took forever. o.o; ~Kylu (u|t) 07:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Worth doing? I wonder if they realise they don't get to select the sample set, some people they didn't invite might take it and some they did might not... ++Lar: t/c 12:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

They do ask for your username, so they may well vet the answers for criteria matching first. I'd rather assume the guys at PARC were bright enough to know if they needed a double-blind set or not. Actually, during the survey, I was getting the feeling that instead of asking about specific instances of conflict that they were more interested in how Wikipedia mediators gauged conflict in a once-over, likely comparing our results against eachother to determine how we varied in our graduation and detection abilities.

Actually, they've made me think a bit... if you could mark conflicts in a history (perhaps give admins a "this revision qualifies as ...." as opposed to simply marking it deleted or oversighted or not) it'd definately help review of a mediation or arbcom case. Interesting concept. I'm quite curious how it turns out and what results and metrics develop from this. ~Kylu (u|t) 18:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, that case. Hopefully it will develop as you want it to, but that's the approach I try to use most of the time. I'll try to be available to discuss it with you tonight. Oh, and the PARC folks didn't want my opinion - because I'm not on the cabalist list. CQJ 21:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Medcab

Conservatism

Kylu... sex, politics and religion, how did you pick ours? Anyway, thanks for doing so. When might I expect a reply from you on yesterday's questions?--Scribner 20:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I'm not ignoring this, it's just that while I'm at work I've got limited time to do anything. I'll take a closer look and see what can be done.

As far as "how did I pick yours" it's mostly just good luck :P 207.145.133.34 21:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Request

Would you be so kind to use your fancy new admin powers and put these poor orphaned images out of their misery. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] [7] Thanks!--Joe Jklin (T C) 09:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Reminder: User talk:89.32.1.82 wants a talkpage archive. 207.145.133.34 22:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Conservatism

Hi. I'll try to help with Conservatism case as possible. I hope we won't run into a conflict - and if there's something controversial, please post on my talk page, so we don't confuse other participants.

P.S. I'm a little overloaded at the moment and the case is complicated, so expect me to jump in tomorrow or day later. CP/M (Wikipedia Neutrality Project) 22:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance, I'm going to wish you luck... there's plenty there that's already conflict and controversy. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I meant the controversy between us - in the ways of mediation. I'm going to somewhat press the matter to get it solved. Currently I'm almost done with disputes, but I'll take a small break to cool the head. Anyway, I'll try to resolve it shortly. Also, from the beginning of August I'll be free to help with anything, and will surely get everything sorted out. CP/M (Wikipedia Neutrality Project) 02:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I still don't get the "controversy in the ways of mediation" bit. I assume you mean styles of mediation, though quite frankly I don't really care who "gets credit" or the process that it's done by, as long as they get along at the end of it all and have contributed positively to the project. ~Kylu (u|t) 06:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm just about styles. BTW, could you help a bit with Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-25 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict? What happened is that I asked to stop removing links in question for time of mediation, and currently one of the participants accuses me of advocating keeping these links. I hope sharing your opinion or suggesting a different temporary solution could somewhat convince him. His talk page is User talk:Denis Diderot, and the links are listed on the case page. CP/M (Wikipedia Neutrality Project) 08:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I've pointed out to him that he violated 3RR actually, and have encouraged him to join in the mediation and not continue to violate 3RR, (see [8]) Violations: 08:20, 26 July 2006, 08:27, 26 July 2006, 08:43, 26 July 2006, 23:12, 26 July 2006, 08:07, 27 July 2006, and non-violation reverts (but still a but much) at: 16:16, 27 July 2006, 00:45, 28 July 2006, and 01:21, 28 July 2006. As it's mediation and I've already posted a warning (as 3RR concerns an offense which he hadn't been warned about, and with no warning he might get blocked by a different admin!) I'd like to recuse myself from the case as mediator, but be available to offer opinion on the matter to either side if it comes up, as well as offer un-mediator-related suggestions, as well as not act in the role of Coordinator as regards this Mediation Cabal case except in the technical roles related to such. Sadly, if he continues to violate 3RR, I may be forced to block him, and I'd rather not as he's clearly trying to follow policy and help Wikipedia. I can't ignore it if he continues the trend though. Don'cha love all the legaleese disclaimery stuff? Makes you want to RfA too, huh? :D ~Kylu (u|t) 19:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, and I think you were right not to block him immediately, so he can reconsider his means. I hope it's enough for him to see that he also doesn't have a perfect understanding of policies, and to consider compromises. I'm not asking you to directly help in mediating the case, just keeping an eye on it for violations would be enough. After all, if I were a sysop, I anyway wouldn't try to combine this role with mediator's at the same time... it's sometimes surprising how often people prefer to assume bad faith in every action, though I hope it will eventually change. CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 00:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I figure, if at some point I take it for granted that I've got all these funky buttons, it's time for me to go do something else instead of continue to annoy people on Wikipedia. Anyway, I'd really rather just keep it all within policy and using non-profane language. If I can do that, I'm happy. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 00:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, about the case itself... I've read all the materials and discussions, and for a few days tried to think out some approach which could possibly work. Nothing. Normal mediation works well when all parties have some respect for others, or, at the very least, for the policies, and it this doesn't seem to be exactly the case. Michael has an inflexible opinion: "Criticism sections should be removed on sight, along with "trivia" sections and other token nonsense." His attitude towards the mediators, let alone opponents, is also, at least, irrespectful. I guess we need a more ugly, but stronger way. The easiest thing that could work is just making a poll about whether criticism sections belong to the articles and bringing enough editors so he can see his attitude is (not wrong, as it's a hard belief) not supported. Without asking for editors to agree to be bound by decision, just to make a RfC (directly and briefly about criticism sections, just mentioning the specific article) and then point to it. What are your thoughts on this?

P.S. Rick Norwood case is against him personally, not about the article. CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 13:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

(deindenting so this conversation stays on my monitor...) I'm unavailable for long periods of time, so asked CakeProphet to take over the case, that and the fact that I'm making no headway. If you'd like to pop on RfC and ask, go ahead, though I've noticed that RfC tends to get ignored as of late. I can see it going into "Politics" "MoS" or any number of categories. Worst case scenario, we "appeal to the gods" for a direct ruling: Post a request about it on Jimbo's talkpage, which is heavier traffic than many other pages, and see what help/interference we get. If you RfC, I can try to beg others to go take a look and try to develop consensus from it on irc also. ~Kylu (u|t) 18:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Phaedriel's RFA

Is at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Phaedriel 2. Just a note to self to keep on top of this... I think we may find ourselves a WP:300 WP:RFA finally, and nobody deserves it more. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 06:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

And now I'm going back to bed, hoping I don't have to call in sick tomorrow. ~Kylu (u|t) 06:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edit here

was really really sweet :) - Glen 07:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not kidding at all. I bet I can find 10 admins that would happily give up their own +sysop to give her one. I'm one of them. (Kylu) 207.145.133.34 14:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

While I'm in that category too, I am thinking that probably won't be necessary, Kylu... so don't go pulling a Sean on us, hmm??? ++Lar: t/c 15:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ouch, poor Sean... anyway, no, I don't think it's needed either, I'm just saying that if it did come down to it, I'd give up my own to ensure her seat. Heck, I'd support her RfB with no reservations if we did it immediately after. I've had enough contact with her the last few months (some on-wikipedia, mostly on irc) that if she came to my door, I'd have no problem lending her my car and credit card to pick us up some pizza. Probably a good thing for WP that I'm a lot more careful with the property of others (such as my wikipedia login?) than my own property. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 18:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you please help me...

With working out why my user page doesn't function correctly in IE? For some reason, it doesn't seem to operate in the correct manner when you click "show", leaving some ugly effects. I notice you don't have that problem, so I was wondering if you could look at my user page code and see what's stuffing up? Cheers, Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 05:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll give it a looksie when I get home, okay? :) 207.145.133.34 21:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oho, okay, I see now. Basically, I just make my sections longer by adding stuff until the effect goes away. c.c; ~Kylu (u|t) 02:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I really don't understand any of that. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 03:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I blatantly stole my design from User:Master of Puppets, I just know that the div'd sections don't work unless they're longer. Hope that helps? ~Kylu (u|t) 04:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

But did you read the "warning" -- it was meant to be humour? I wasn't really concerned with getting the right "target". Jkelly

Ohyeah, I read it! We actually need to consider making it a template. :D I really could use a "Please use common sense. Leaving your common sense at the door something-something-something." 207.145.133.34 21:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Meeting

The next meeting is at 0430. Please bring all necessary material. PVN NTRAG 01:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Case documents already on site, enwp-specific code is in transit. 7L3M. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

New users

Hi. How do you tell when there are new users on Wikipedia? I would love to be involved in some sort of welcoming committee around here. Thank you and please reply on my talk page.--Chile14 01:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I generally find my new user template recipients when looking thru the history of a page etc, then checking the talk page just to have a look that everything's going smoothly. If they haven't recieved a welcome message yet, give them one :P. Or, I guess, you could use the Special:Log/Newusers page. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 08:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You may want to check Wikipedia:Welcoming committee, we'd be glad to have you as a member! I use a custom welcome template at User:Kylu/welcome and just subst: it onto the page of the user I'm welcoming. Watch for both new users who've put things on their talkpage and those who are actively contributing. If you do the subst: thing, always try to take a moment to look at what they're contributing to and what they have on their userpage, and see if you can incorporate that into a custom greeting. One line is enough, but if you're actually interested in what they're doing, they'll more likely remember you if they run into any questions, and then your welcome is that much more sincere and useful to them. :) 206.246.160.221 05:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Oh, that was me, sorry. Was not signed in. Mou. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

just because!

I think this page doesn't have enough flowers. ++Lar: t/c 00:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Why, thank you lar! very pretty. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 05:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I love

Your welcome's on the talk page. Very pink. Troubleshooter 01:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much! I need to welcome more people actually. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh no problem :) Troubleshooter 18:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

CPR Search

Check out CPR page history. Someone keeps adding CPRsearch...is there something an admin can do? I don't know what to do; we all keep removing it, it's getting silly. JamieJones ^talk 03:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, when you remove the link, you should really leave a note on the person's page telling them that the link is undesirable (and why), then if they ignore your requests (and eventually, warnings) then you bring in an admin (usually by posting at WP:AN/I or similar) to have the person blocked in order to minimize the damage, or otherwise semiprotect or protect the page (if the vandalism is coming from multiple sources) Hope that helps. :) (Oh, and I'm taking a peek at it, yes) ~Kylu (u|t) 05:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I did, on one of them; but it's an anon ip address. More help would be appreciated as I obviously don't know the process. JamieJones ^talk 17:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I popped a few {{subst:spam}}~~~~'s on the talkpages for a few, and it doesn't look like they've posted again since. The catch is, they may have no idea that they're not allowed to do this until someone warns them. The IP's seem to change, but are held for long term. Special:Contribs for 66.180.98.211 shows related "spam" edits from 19 July to 1 August, up until I put the spam warning template on its talkpage (which was left unwarned for almost a half month?). If it continues, just escalate as you'd normally do for IP vandalism. Now, if they continue past the warnings, then we can do more.

As far as process goes, typically what you do is warn the username or IP, stepping through the test templates (See Template:TestTemplates) in order, then when you hit test4 and have explained what, exactly, the problem is and why it violates policy (see WP:EL for external link policy), then you post on WP:AIV and an admin comes and gives the person a good spanking. :) You may want to take the time to look over the Admin Noticeboard also, as it has many subsections (especially WP:AN/I) which would be handy to remember if there's ever something that needs admin attention. You can also post to me, here, obviously, but if I'm gone (which is often) you may be better off posting there: Someone's always watching AIV and the noticeboard, and typically they've been admins for much, much longer and know the most efficient way of handling a given problem. I try to learn from these guys. :) Oh, I've rolled a few uncaught instances of vandalism back, by the way. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

is/isn't

"(When linking to categories, please prefix with a colon. Essjay's talkpage isn't a fair use image. :))" True. But it's prettier than some of them! As is yours. :) ++Lar: t/c 22:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

PS: thanks for your astute answer to the question raised on my talk... before I could even get to it! You're so darn efficient! (and nice...) Hugs. ++Lar: t/c 22:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Mew. o.o; Uh, you're welcome! ~Kylu (u|t) 00:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations you have won the Userpage Award!

Congratulations Kylu! It is our honor to inform you that you've won Esperanza's Best User Page Award! Here's a token for your efforts. Banes Tdxiang May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) Fir0002 tariqabjotu (joturner) Computerjoe's talk Thε Halo Θ Andeh

And here is the actual award to put on your userpage, or wherever you want. :) All the best -- Banes 13:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow! nicely done! ++Lar: t/c 14:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Great work! Congrats. --Bhadani 14:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 14:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I support your RfA, rate your userpage the highest, what more could you want? :P.--Andeh 14:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I dunno, can I have a pony? :D ~Kylu (u|t) 17:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Here you go... Was there anything else? ++Lar: t/c 19:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Damn, you guys are good... o.o;; ~Kylu (u|t) 19:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Why yes, yes... yes we are! Was there anything else? :) ++Lar: t/c 20:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks all! I still am a bit surprised that people like the design at all, much less think it's award-worthy! Thank you very much. n.n <3 ~Kylu (u|t) 17:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! *steals award* >:) Master of Puppets ^{Giant Enemy Crab!} 22:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve it just as much as I do. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kylu, I've just shaken off my lazyness, and come over here to give you all the congrats that you deserve :) Thε Halo ^Θ 09:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, The Halo! While I'm not an Esperanzan (I don't much feel the need to reduce my wikistress much), I agree with many of the goals I see you all working towards. So, ah... *hugs* There, that just about says it. *nod* ~Kylu (u|t) 19:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

InterWiki Links

• Thanks,activevoid 20:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Interwiki linking is a confusing subject. Just glad I could help. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA/RfB Summaries

Kylu, how do you get those RfA/RfB Summary things on your page? I know that you had it when your RfA was going on, but that is over now, and you still have it. Do you have to be an admin or be in the process of an RfA or an RfB? Or is it something that anybody can get? I would really like to have it. Thank you.--Chile14 03:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, no, it's {{User:Dragons flight/RFA summary}} just a userpage transclusion. Slap that somewhere on a page, and the content magically appears. If you did a {{User:Kylu}} you'd have my entire userpage shown on whatever page you put it on. I hope that made sense. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 03:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

(rushes off to slap {{User:Kylu}} on every page on Wikipedia) --Ideogram 03:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

So, how many beans are stuffed up your nose at the moment? :) ~Kylu (u|t) 03:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding ==Please take a break?==

I do not think we need to discuss something that's so blatnantly wrong. We should discuss it after we move it.100110100 05:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply posted to your talkpage. Please keep conversation on that page. Thanks. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Protection

Hello visitors! If you're an admin and are asking about unprotecting a page, the answer is "Yes". Please feel free to unprotect any pages I've protected with the exceptions of WP:RFO and Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. Those two pages are no longer under my "control" or "authorship" and should be edited only after contacting ArbCom. I'm fairly certain that if I edited them now, I'd be up for desysopping. :D

IPs and ranges are also up to you to decide to unblock, though you're responsible for keeping tabs on them for a bit if you do. :)

A large number of articles were protected tonight due to The Colbert Report related vandalism. If you happen to unprotect one of these articles, it'd be nice if you'd post the names here so I can update the "Elephant Watchlist" next time I'm on.

Take care, and happy editing. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 09:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

My annoying sig

Hi. I need help. As you may have noticed, I am constantly changing my sig around. This time, I am having a lot of trouble, for reasons I don't understand. Many times before, I have went to change it and I have had no problem. The only other time that this has happened was when they changed the format of the software. Perhaps they have changed it again. I do not know. This is what I want it to look like:Chili14. This is what it looks like:--<font color=#0000ff>Ch</font><font color="red">ili</font><font color="green">14</font> 02:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC). Please help me. Thank you very much and have a nice day. P.S. I stole the design of your RfA thanks banner for something I need to do, which is completely unrelated to this.

Try this code instead: [[User:Chili14|<span style="color:#0000ff;">Ch</span>]][[User talk:Chili14|<span style="color:red;">ili</span>]][[User:Chili14/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">14</span>]] -Make sure you have "raw signature" checked, also, btw. Produces this: Chili14 ... have fun! ~Kylu (u|t) 03:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

To users Subhash bose and Borntorebel

Yes, you're both blocked for 31 hours for violating WP:3RR. No, I'm not lifting the blocks. No, you didn't revert vandalism, you reverted POV. The 3RR reversion for vandalism does not cover POV. Just please wait until the block is over, then discuss things on the talkpages before making anymore changes, please. Thanks. ~Kylu (u|t) 08:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that

I just noticed the blocklog for Spahbod. Sorry about the spam. -- Fullstop 12:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

S'okay. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 19:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 14:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm thoroughly dissapointed that I'm the first one to add Octal and Rot13, what with "l33t" already being on there and all. Tsk tsk. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Use and supporting use of ethnic slurs

Hi ,Kylu,I would like you to take congnizance of the use of racist objectionable vocabulary towards a section of users by user Subhash Bose [9] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lkadvani (talk • contribs) .

Hiya there, yeah. About that, he's currently blocked already, personally I think you should bring it up on WP:AN/I, as I'd really rather avoid anything involving ethnoreligious slurs when possible. Personal preference, sorry. Also, when leaving a comment on someone's talkpage, it's really best to put the comment at the very bottom of the page instead of hidden between two comments in the middle where it's hard to find. Oh, and sign said comments too, please? Thanks. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Tense case..

Hey Kylu, Hows things. How does being an admin take you? :D Anyway to business. I have a tense issue going on at the Teens Transforming the Community article. Basically it all started when one of the T3C people posted on the help desk asking about getting an article removed as they didn't want themselves on there any more - basically they created the article for publicity purposes (I think don't quote me thats just the impression I got) and found people from their school vandalising it. Suprise suprise :D. Anyway once they had brought it to the attention of other users it quickly got listed for deletion here by Viridae due to lack of notability. This is when I came into the matter and after some research decided that maybe merging the content into the parent schools article (Port Moody Secondary School), I proposed this on the AFD and got consensu form all the contributors. SO I wikified the article and merged the useful content to the schools page.

Unfortunately the user who originally complained (User:Blobclick) decided this wasn't enough and has been blankng the article, reverting to the old unformatted version and reverting the additions on the school page. The problem is he or she is not responding to questions or polite requests to talk about the issue - and in fact has not conmtributed to the AFD or anything!

I wondered if you would mind stopping by and keeping an eye as, after tonight when he / she reverted by formatted version of the article back to the old unformatted version, I don't feel I can be neutral anymore. I am trying to be fair but I did get a bit frustrated.

Oh and as your an admin you will, if it really comes to it, be able to impose some sort of block for a short time if they won't stop reverting.

You help would be much appreciated --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 20:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S apologies for the horrendous spelling I type WAY too fast :D

Slapping a blanking warning on her page, if he continues, we'll just enforce a timeout so he has the opportunity to read her talkpage. It'd be nice if we could handle this without resorting to forcing her to stop editing in order to do so, though. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and it appears that the user ("Blob click"? Why in the world did she choose THAT?) is a she. [10] & [11]. May as well use the correct pronouns now, yes? :) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit confilct! :D, Hmm interesting. Anyway I agree about hopefully not having to block, I'm not too worried about the edits as such - just as long as he she (you can tell I'm a bloke ;) ) explains why they are needed (eg why the information is wrong). Getting people to talk is always the hardest thing :D Thanks for the help --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 21:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I left a bit of information on the user talkpage, and hopefully things will calm down and we can get back to editing peacefully. I'd be quite distressed if I had to block someone who's apparently so nice to others in RL for vandalism. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 21:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I know she does seem very nice in RL. ah well. I'm sure it won't come to a block. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 21:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Voldemort

This user has a very odd username. There are some cases for it being inappropriate. In the Harry Potter books, which I don't know if you read, Voldemort tries several times to kill Harry and other people, and has split his soul into several pieces by killing people. I jut wanted to let you know. I found it today. And I fixed my sig.--Chili14 22:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read the books, and would like to note that we have a long-standing admin by the name of Lord Voldemort also. I don't think they're quite close enough to be considered a {{username}} issue, but since there's no problems yet and the user doesn't seem to be doing anything wrong, I'm content to let it be. Thanks for being on the lookout, though. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 00:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Admin?

Kylu, I want your serious and honest opinion. Do you think I am at all ready to launch an RfA for myself? Do you think I have what it takes to be an admin? I want to know. Thank you very much for your time.--Chili14 02:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess I'll go over the basics of what I've found out first hand:

1. Edit counts. For some reason, people are absolutely obsessed over edit counts. You have more than I did, in fact more than I do at the moment, pretty well spread out. Not bad imho, however I'd note that as you've got only 48 "Wikipedia" edits, people will oppose saying you're not "involved in the project" enough. Wikipedia edits include, for example, posts regarding such things as requests for adminship and articles for deletion, as well as others. How are you going to use the new buttons to help Wikipedia?
2. You have to ask yourself if you're ready to do this, as well as analyze your motivations for doing so. Just because someone's at X edits doesn't mean they're ready for the job, nor are they disqualified automatically by not having X edits. Do you feel mature enough to handle the responsibilities? Please note the lack of mention of age, there's a few admins I know of around your age who I'm quite sure are capable of handling that comes up.
3. Blame Kim Bruning for this one: Are you familiar with why Wikipedia is the way it is? Do you know what the Policy Trifecta is, and what the Foundation Issues are?
   1. Why are these two questions important? Now, while the only policy I follow religiously is WP:IAR, I don't actually go around disrupting things. How is this possible, and why is it important?
   2. While I ignore all rules happily and still get things done, there's another set of imperatives which get followed to the letter, the Foundation issues. I won't quiz you on these at the moment. They are important. It looks simple when you read the page, but check out MediaWiki_talk:Sitenotice#Election notice. Why does Essjay refer to this as a foundation issue? Why do I agree with him, even though it's not specifically mentioned on the Foundation Issues page?
   3. A user is told to not delete warning templates from his page, he says he is using his "Right to Vanish". Where is this policy? What, as an admin, would you do to either help or hinder this user?
4. There are, as a policy page says, a lot of "admin" things you can do without being an admin.
   1. Check out Articles for Creation yet? Did you know it existed? :)
   2. Ever been to Village Pump?
   3. Try going through random articles sometime to see if there's a content problem you can help with.
   4. Familiar with WP:AFD? WP:CFD? WP:TFD? When do you use {{prod}}, when do you use the speedy delete tags, and when do you use the xFD pages? Have you nominated an article for deletion through all three methods?
   5. Are you familiar with the Manual of Style? It has a number of subpages which aren't marked "Policy", yet the Manual of Style itself is. Does "policy" extend to the subpages?
5. Are you aware that every single thing you've done since joining will be under a microscope? You're going to have a bunch of people voting more or less randomly, depending on what others find in your contributions. Have you been to WP:GRFA yet?
6. If you're not totally sure of the answers to these above questions, you may want to consider Admin Coaching through Esperanza first. I notice you're a member, and if you want I know a lot of admins who are members who are quite kind and helpful. Well, other than just saying "all of them" ... I know specific ones. :)

Good luck if you go for it: It's not really something to take lightly. I kinda had to be wrestled into the position, really, as I didn't want to do it for a while, though I was going to be damned before I ever just gave up and lost like that. So, here I am. :)

~Kylu (u|t) 03:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I've looked at your contribs Chili14, and since you want an honest opinion, here it is. I don't think that this is a good time for an Rfa. My concern is that you have more edits to User space than anything else. If you put yourself in the running now, that would be a big thing that people would have issues with. The best way to counter this would be to do some major work on getting some article in your area of interest to FA status. Until then, your chances probably aren't the best. Save yourself the stress and prepare some more. pschemp | talk 03:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card!

Open your card!

Dear Kylu, thank you so much for your beautiful words, your kidness and your trust in me. My Request for Adminship is finally over, and the support and appreciation that the community has gifted me will stick in my mind as long as I live. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am to you for all you've done for me, and all I can tell you is, I'll try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, make sure to come here and give me a good yell! :) Seriously, tho, if you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you'll always be welcome to message me, and I promise I'll try my very best.
Dear Kylu, I'm so incredibly sorry for taking like 4 days to reply to your incredibly beautiful messages :( This has been the most wonderful experience in all my wiki-time (sounds familiar to you, dear K? ;) but geez, it's also been very time consuming! :) We'll have the chance to talk more pretty soon, I promise. I miss the time when I actually could "talk" to my friends! Seriously, your kind words at my Talk page and my RfA meant the world to me, dear Kylu. Thank you, from my heart - you've become indescribably special to me. We'll talk more later, I promise. With a big hug, your friend,

Phaedriel ♥ tell me

Thank you Phaedriel, it was a pleasure and honour to help select you for the administration position. I'm just sorry that I didn't find out it was up earlier. :)

Just think, folks, she's got 260-odd people on her "send thank you card to" list and I was 40-something'th, so it'll take her about a month to get everyone. Each card gets a personalized note that's actually meaningful to the recipient. She puts this much thought into her thank-you cards, her Star awards are completely custom and, being the recipient of one, nearly embarassing in their praise. Try to imagine how much thought she'll put into everything else. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-break

I wil be taking a wiki-break for an indeterminate amount of time to focus on other things. I will be back, of course, as if anybody could stay away from this place for too long, but I do not know when. I will be back when I am dying to be here. Right now I am feeling very burnt-out in regards to my work here, and I want to gain back my energy. When I return, you will know. Thank you very much and have a nice day.--Chili14 22:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Have a good break. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 00:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

#ff00ff sigs

Apparently we are the only two wikipedians whose sig contains text of colour #ff00ff. I didn't copy you. ~ c. tales *talk* 02:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall saying you did. :) Nice color, isn't it? ~Kylu (u|t) 04:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

if you like pink it is... ++Lar: t/c 18:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

No, you never said I was copying you, or implied so, but I just posted that preventively so I don 't get fdalsely accused later. ~ c. tales *talk* 03:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

There's not enough colors to say one person's copying another. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It was like three weeks ago, but...

... I was on wikibreak, so I had an excuse. A very belated congratulations on your successful RfA. I'm glad to have you as an admin colleague and I look forward to working on admin tasks with you. Enjoy working at the controls! theProject 00:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 01:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:MEDCAB

hi there Kylu. May I join this. It might be a new experience. Check the history of my talk page in the last four days to see what I mean. Hopefully I haven't invalidated mysefl by doing anything stupid on that pack-dispute. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 07:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Not only may you join MedCab, you don't even have to ask my permission. :) I feel you're aquainted with negotiation enough that you'd do rather well, the only hard part is remembering that as a mediator that you're checking your +sysop flag in at the door. It's an unwrittenuntyped rule that mediators shouldn't use their l33t admin powah in cases that they're involved in, so if you need to do something adminny in a case you're involved in, ask me to do it please, and I'll do the same in reverse. Keeps us from attempting to "enforce decrees" instead of actually trying to solve the interpersonal problems. :) Anywho, if you end up with any questions, ask me, I'll be on IRC in a bit. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Kindness Campaign/Esperanza

Hi. Remember me?? I'm the guy who thought the Kindness Campaign was inactive. Anyway, I was looking through our old discussions, and it said something about Esperanza wanting to join forces with the Kindness Campaign. Since you're the only Kindness Campaign member who still seems active, do you think this is a good idea?--Ed 18:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that this is a great idea. I am not a member either, but I am a member of Esperanza. I would like to join it though. Hope this helps!!!--Chili14 01:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Slight refactor, I like the indent thing, sorry Chili. :) Anywho, hey, wow, I'm a consensus of one, I guess, hey? I don't mind the idea of "joining forces" but I'm rather curious what sort of proposal you had in mind to do so. Most of the KC people are active enough, actually, it's just that they're active in being kind, not so much in actually working on the KC itself. I figure, someone's got to do it, yes? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Great! I have talked to Natalya, the Admin General in Esperanza. She says it is a great idea as well. You can see the discussion in the talk page.----Ed^{talk c E} 15:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am back

Hello. I have returned. I will be editing again now. Unfortunately, I will not be able to edit as much as I was able to before due to the fact that I have entered high school, and I am getting used to it, and it is taking up all my time, so I will only be able to edit on weekends, and even then very little. Please bear with me as I begin this new chapter of my life. Thank you and have a nice day.--Chili14 01:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WB, and congrats on being a highschooler. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 19:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

We've awarded you this PARC research star in recognition for your contribution to research about conflict in Wikipedia. Thank you for your help!!! --Parc wiki researcher 21:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Chilifix

Hey, Kylu. Just wanted to let you know that I am not an impersonator of Chili14. I am Chili14. For more info, see my page. Thanks.--Chilifix 04:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I said the first thing!

>:D —$ΡЯΙNGεrαgђ (-¢|ε|Ŀ|T|♪-) 02:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay you! ~Kylu (u|t) 02:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back Kylu. Kevin_b_er 04:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thankew! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

KYLUUUU!

Where were you!? Come back to IRC! I make the IRC not suck! :D --Steve-o 06:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hee, I've been on a bit, just not terribly much. Doctor says I'm not getting enough sleep, so I actually have a "bed time" now. Yes, at my age. Kinda embarassing, but the roommate is holding me to it. Ahwell. Not like lack of sleep is my biggest medical issue, ne? ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Ohhh. Ok. Yay sleep! Ok, not to be bested by prophet... heres my thingy

Theres once was a user named kylu, who like to edit and undo, she slept really late, had a tired face, but now she... oh man. Nothing rhymes with kylu that has to do with sleeping. :\ Um. /me gives kylu an IOU for a couple of words. :D --Steve-o 02:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

But now she is eaten by a grue? --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 20:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

"Has had a nice snooze" ? User:Pedant 23:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Just so y'all know, you say it "Key loo". Also, this page is getting weirder every day. Pretty soon they'll move my entire userpage to WP:BJAODN. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hrm. I pronounce it ky-loo. Like, sky-loo. Or something. @_@ Yeah. Why am I editing this old line. :\ --CableModem 09:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello??

Where are you?? Havent seen you or Jude on IRC in ages and I miss you guys! :( - Glen 11:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Jude's recovering from wikipediaholism and is currently not available for editing, though if something important comes up, tell me and I can pass along a message for you. :) As far as I go, see above note. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A poem

Because I'm bored I wrote you a poem... I pore into this poem the very essence of my soul to express deep feelings of the world and nature of reality

There is a bucket
bucket bucket bucket all the way home
of
no wait I think (I'll fix it)   youwould 
think   wouldn't you (like a cup of coffee) no 
thanks I don't want 
to         think (about such discussing things)

And the stream continues down the 

trout      what for?
for            comfort.

The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake

Thanks! o.o; ~Kylu (u|t) 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have questions again!

Hello Kylu. I hope you are not terribly sick. I am sorry for asking you all these questions all the time, but since you are my welcomer, you have sealed your fate.:D These are my questions: What is css and what do I have to do to get it? I have seen some people with it and I have no idea what it is. Also, how can I talk on IRC? And what is it? Is it something like IM with other Wikipedians? I have tried to get on it, but my computer will not allow me to. I don't know why. Thank you and have a nice day!!--Chili14 02:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

This being Wikipedia, you're probably referring to Cascading Style Sheets, which is basically a way to describe how to present the data given on a page (on Wikipedia, one made from HTML or, by extension, Wiki-markup). Now, if you're talking about a non-Wikipedia page (say like your myspace page) you'll have one CSS page that describes the style for everything, whereas if you're talking about your experience on Wikipedia, it'd be your personal monobook.css page. If you'd like, you can check out my monobook.css but it's basically bits and pieces stolen from others and modified to suit my own tastes. I'd probably suggest asking User:GeorgeMoney for specifics on CSS and such, since he seems to spend a lot of time on that sort of thing, and understands it, whereas I don't. :)

As far as IRC goes, check out Internet Relay Chat. It's not quite like an IM service, and very importantly it's definately not actually a web-application. IRC goes over a port (typically 6667) that has a habit of being blocked on firewalls quite a bit, so it's possible that if you're behind a router or firewall that IRC may not work for you. Assuming you've tried using the Java/Web based chat client on Wikipedia and it failed to work, I'll need to pester you for more information in order to get you on chat.

I'm not terribly worried about my health, it's just temporary. Soon enough this condition won't bother me at all. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

My Userpage

Could you create a userpage for me please??? If you do, I'll reward you with a {sorry, it's secret!!!}! Thanks--Bleed Span  ^{Who knows, you might be the victim too... because it's normal!} PS make a few drop-downs, I'll put the information in!!!

I'll get to looking at it soon enough, but always figured that your userpage really should be made by you, so it's the way you want it. :) Pink it is, though! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about the markup, you know, the code???

Bleed Span  ^{Who knows, you might be the victim too... because it's normal!}

See User talk:Kylu#Can you tell me how? below. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish Terrorists

See: deletion log. Mind that the deleted category has a lowercase t for "terrorists" --Cat out 00:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I assume you retagged it and someone else deleted it, hence redlink. Thanks for telling me. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me how?

Can you tell me how to make a userpage like yours? I'd really really appreciate it and I'll give you a cookie! -The Euphemism of Life 20:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, here's how I did it:

1. Find someone's page that you really, really like, that has elements that you'd like on yours (I used Admrboltz and Master of Puppets mostly.)
2. Use a preview-sandbox (where you're just using the preview button and not actually saving any changes) to isolate the markup that's doing the part you like.
3. Blatantly pirate it, changing styles and colors as suits the rest of your page composition.

...seriously, that's how I made the page. I get people asking me all the time how the div stuff works, and quite honestly I have no clue, I just think it looks cool. I can make little userboxes/award templates by myself now, that's about it. :D

~Kylu (u|t) 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I did - see my complete rip-off of Kylu's formatting. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 07:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia mailing list

Kylu, I need help!! I signed up for the Wikipedia mailing list and the next day, I got 112 emails!! What is this about, and is there a way that I can get fewer emails? Thank you!!--Chili14 23:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Y'know, this may or may not be a terrible thing to admit, but I'm not subscribed to any of the mailing lists, and really have no desire to start. I do, however, know that there are "digest" versions of many maillists. I hate to give you a nothing-answer, but the best I can do is suggest checking m:Mailing list and contacting someone there. Sorry. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 00:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated note, what is the criteria for uploading images found on MySpace? Thanks.--Chili14 00:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

That one's easy.

If you see a picture that someone else uploaded to myspace, and they own it (they took the picture themselves), and they release all rights to it (and you can point to the note stating this), you're cool. If you mean a picture that you took and uploaded yourself, you can license it as GFDL or copyright-rights released, and you're cool.

Anything else, though, is most likely not cool, and please don't upload it.

Myspace is an ... interesting site, but the users tend to be somewhat lacking in copyright compliance. Take care. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you might need THEM to send a note to permissions@wikimedia.org (or whatever it is, I forget), that is, a forwarded note from them to you and then from you onward doesnt' count. There's a page here that explains it... maybe this one: Wikipedia:Copyright_problems ... LMK if that wasn't enough of a clue. ++Lar: t/c 01:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay Lar! Anyway, personally I'd just avoid uploading anything unless you either have a VERY good fair use rationale or alternatively the material is original and your own creation. Easiest way to keep out of trouble, don'cha know. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:)

/me hugs and runs away. pschemp | talk 08:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

zomg, drive-by hugging! ^.^ <3 ~Kylu (u|t) 20:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Gavotte en Rondeau

First of all, I'd like to thank you for showing me this... it's really got me thinking.

Second of all, ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH why did you show me this! It's toruring me! I'm fully aware I can't play this... and yet.. I must... play it...

Help me! Split...conflicting emotions.. going insane aaaaaaah! *whimper*

I'm actually crying right now.. I'm not sure why. It's either because I love this music so much, or because I'm unable to play it. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You have no idea how much you have helped me. I just... I can't even describe it. The simple action of showing me this 2 minute and 59 second clip of music has opened my eyes. Not just in music, but it's got me thinking about life, and everything. I just really don't know how to say "thanks". I feel like a new person. I just... thanks. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kylu... what did you show him that he's so excited about? A piece of music that's only 2:59 shouldn't be that exciting!--Chili14 03:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

If you're thinking the latest thing from Britney Spears, then I'd agree, no it's not really that exciting.

I introduced CakeProphet to Gavotte en Rondeau by Bach. See, CP was bragging about his ability to play the guitar by ear, and I decided that my six-month practice piece (as played on the guitar by Andres Segovia, whereas he's already heard my rendition on the violin) would be a good example of something that's difficult to play by ear. I think quite honestly that it opened his eyes to the possibility of playing classical works on the guitar. We'll see how well he does. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 23:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Cake, Kylu told me to tell you to listen to some Sylvius Leopold Weiss. He actually wrote for the lute, but he's absolutely amazing, and there are transcriptions for guitar. One of his peices. Mak (talk) 03:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

He's definetely good, and I like the sound to a certain extent. Although, at times the song itself was a little predictable, I like the smooth blockiness of it. --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll be honest, if it's got frets, I don't go near it. The Partita en re mineur was nice, but if it's okay with you all, I'll stick with my Bach. Currently busy being annoyed (like I said previously) with people who think Four Seasons is Vivaldi's only work. I tossed some pieces to Cake to play last night, threw together a quick "how to read sheet music" for him, and he's off and running like a madman. I'm expecting great things from our Prophet. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever played something with frets before? They're not exactly the same thing as training wheels. ;) --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake

Didn't mean to imply that they were! The catch is, I don't quite get how you bend a note smoothly on a fretted instrument. If I'm going to slip from one note to another or play a sided (either flat-to-note or note-to-sharp) vibrato, it seems to me that the fret would just get in the way. That and your instruments all have way too many strings. I'll stick with the four I'm good at. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 01:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on getting the first measure down pat. Once you understand the spirit of that piece, you'll zoom through the rest of it. I'm going to guess four weeks from yesterday until you've got it down pat. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist

You might want to check your watchlist. There is a page there that has a question that needs your attention. Something about your welcome thing...--Chili14 02:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been updated with the answer. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Civility concerns

I think you misunderstand my statement, which you cite. I am concerned that people on wikipedia are using a term like "cabal," which is used as an intimidation tactic, to boast of informal power. The very usage of that term seens to violate the aforementioned policy on civility. Yakuman (siglinked by kylu)

It's a joke, a gag. Cabal jokes are rampant on Wikipedia. I think, perhaps, you're taking it a bit too seriously. Oh, and I just tried this "berries and cream" Dr. Pepper. Damn good stuff. Try it. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I dealt with "cabals" on FidoNet, Usenet and other *nets back in the day. It isn't really a joke. Consider how quickly I was met with threats and defamation. People who enforce "civility" on others, but do not apply it to themselves, only create problems. Have we learned nothing over the last two decades?
Yakuman 06:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It really is a joke here. There Is No Cabal. If you're actually worried about cabals and such on Wikipedia, that's about the time you need to realize you're taking this thing way, way too seriously. As far as defamation goes, I failed to see any accusations that are malicious against you, though I do beleive that all parties involved are taking things way, way too seriously. The catch that I've discovered about Wiki is that while people are encouraged to Be Bold (which you were), you also have to keep in mind that someone can't just come in and make huge, sweeping changes and expect them to stick.

Wiki has a cycle of "Bold Change, Revert, Discuss" and those who never grasp one of these three steps will not be happy on a Wiki. I tend to lurk when I'm in a new situation, to gather intelligence before moving. A bit too much Sun Tzu reading, perhaps, but it serves me well. I read Wikipedia and its policies, studied its social dynamics for over a year before registering. I still had no clue what really was going on. I'm quickly approaching my second year, and there are still guidelines and "rules" that I run across that I had no clue were around, and no idea that they were expected to be enforced.

I'd suggest to anyone who wants to approach Wiki intelligently that they do the same as I did: Lurk a bit, figure out the basic rules, try to make some sense of what's going on (it's all terribly chaotic) and, if you're just absolutely failing to "get it", ask someone for help. If you're lucky, you end up with someone that can provide an comprehensive and enlightening answer, granting light on your dilemma. If not, you might yet get an answer. Someone says "OMG, WP:POINT!" then go visit the page. Read what it says. Be somewhat introspective and look at what you were doing. Did that other person have a legitimate point? Is it possible that you may've done something wrong? Can it be corrected? Can you learn from it and avoid violating etiquette? You should ask these questions each time someone accuses you of something. It's entirely possible they're being a bit anal or trollish, but on the other hand never dismiss them out of hand due to their lack of ability to describe what the offense is.

I'd also, while you're here, like to suggest that you go over the definition of "defamation" and look to see if, possibly, the people you're accusing might have legitimate gripes. Defamation requires a false accusation or malicious misrepresentation, and furthermore it doesn't take many additional words to go from "This person defamed me" to something that an admin might consider a legal threat and issue a block for. There's a No Legal Threats policy that, before you use the word defamation on here again, I'd rather beg you to read first. Legally loaded words get a lot of attention on here, and the vast vast majority of that attention is hostile and negative.

Anywho, I wish you well, and also wish that you don't end up feeling too ground down due to all of this. I also hope you take my advice in the spirit that it's offered in: Peace to you and welcome to our community. ~Kylu (u|t) 07:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow Kylu. That's essay material! We already have too many essays, some say, but good stuff! ++Lar: t/c 12:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well put. I've chipped in my .02 as well at his talk page, pretty much an apology and here's why I acted the way I did type jazz. And now, I need to get some sleep before I have to go to my real job. Methinks I owe you a cup of coffee sometime soon since gas prices came down and Hassleton isn't really that far away now :-). 73. CQJ 12:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably should save that as an essay or something... (I like how chaotic Wikipedia is) --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 00:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Feel free. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Na, we want YOU to do the work. ++Lar: t/c 05:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I may pass on that for a bit. It's GFDL, so feel free to make a derivitive work. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Further civility points

Please do nit make veiled threats on my user page, unless you have the authority and justification to carry them out. You do not intimidate me, so please do attempt to do so. Giano | talk 21:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

User blocked 48 hours for continued incivility towards other users. Please use your time off from the project wisely, preferably for reviewing the appropriate policies. Thanks for your concern. ~Kylu (u|t) 02:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I strongly protest; I do not believe Giano has been disruptive. Your block has the appearance of rising to his "challenge" above. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL in a nutshell: Being rude, insensitive or petty makes people upset and prevents Wikipedia from working properly. Try to discourage others from being uncivil, and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally. Mediation is available if needed.

My warning to user Giano was at 20:47, 29 August 2006 [12]

Since then (just on his own user talk):

1. [13] ...ironic [14] [15] [16]

I don't much care about Carnildo's RfA one way or another. Lar's an aquaintance, but I'm happy to keep him as just an aquaintance (we don't get along at times). On the other hand, seeing someone be this vehement, vicious, and venomous in replies to other really bothers me and blatantly violates WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. While I do feel bad that he's got a bad block on his block log because of Carnildo and find it unfair, it doesn't excuse his current behaviour, nor should I expect that if someone baits you, it means you're automagically unallowed to enforce policy where it pertains to that user. I don't take his comments personally, though I admit I'm a bit hurt that he feels that I'm just "part of Carnildo's gang" and out to get him. I'd actually be much, much happier if he'd start following the policies as written, calm down somewhat, and go back to productive editing. If he stated that he were willing to do this, I'd have no problems happily unblocking him and allowing regular editing to resume. It actually kinda sucks that it had to go this far, I really don't enjoy blocking people. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 02:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Your first and last links aren't diffs; your middle three don't hold up as the egregious examples you make them out to be, in my opinion. You have thrown nitroglycerine on a situation that was finally calming down of its own accord. Avoiding that is why we block for ongoing disruption, not to punish past incidents of what one or another of us views as incivility. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeh, tired, and popups gets in the way when I'm trying to copy diffs. Considering the time of the warning, it's not difficult to go through the pages mentioned and find examples on your own, so I won't correct the not-diffs. Anyway, he's continued to be imo insulting to others and severely lacking in AGF, but as I've said on his talkpage, I'd really rather instead of being combatitive about it and putting me on his "bad" list for later and such, he'd consider the warning and block in the manner in which I meant them: To have an opportunity to self-reflect and consider his words versus policy. If anyone unblocks him, I have no problems with it, but I'd still encourage him to voluntarily not edit until he's finished introspection. If you're an admin, you're free to do so also. Otherwise, have a great day! :) ~Kylu (u|t) 03:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack by Giano removed by Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 12:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Appreciated. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Archiving

Thank you. And thanks for all those posts before; I know I must be hard to deal with, but thanks for the patience, your time, the encouragment and the nice words.100110100 06:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm just a firm beleiver that everyone can change for the better. You seem to be doing just that. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 06:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a thanks

I'm sorry we were introduced the way we were; I very much appreciate your civility and friendliness about the whole affair and hope we run into each other in a less confrontational way in the future. (Giano will be the death of me, I'm sure of it. He will love to hear that.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to stop by and pop a nose into any conversation you wish. My talkpage is just as wiki as the rest of the place. :) I feel sorry for Giano, that he was abused like that previously, and had no desire to compound his problems. While I do regret that the block wasn't seen as a good solution, I still feel the problem is there and it'll just end up flaring again in the future. I just feel that if a user is never restricted or even told that what they're doing is wrong and requires self-reflection, that there's no reason for them to bother following the rules, you know? Sadly, I imagine he thinks I've got a vendetta or something against him now. ~Kylu (u|t) 04:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and in the spirit of "letting go" I unwatched Giano's talkpage. I don't imagine he'll ever beleive that I was trying to do the Right Thing, but I'm not sure I really care if he beleives it or not now, just as long as some sort of peace comes to the situation. Ja ne. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You don't really give me a lot of cause to believe it do you[17]? Giano | talk 23:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

That was designed as Humor, as a semi-reply to Lar's edit. Take it as you will. Fnord. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 23:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Not a lot to laugh about suddenly - is there? Giano | talk 00:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Not sure what you're referring to, if you want to take offense at people who are trying to use humor to defuse a situation, go ahead, but don't expect to drag others down with you.

2. I'm done with dealing with you. Bunchofgrapes was trying to be helpful, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and you turn around and give him grief. Look, I appreciate your position in the whole userbox thing: I personally can't stand the idea of pedophilia, and as well I felt that Carnildo was out of bounds by blocking you due to those comments. Your past is the past, but your present and future here is being destroyed by your own actions. The debate is over, you were proven to be correct last time, even if Carnildo never apologized. I'm not Carnildo. I don't know him, I'm not part of his cabal or posse or whatever, I'm an independent editor (who happens to be an admin) who felt that you were far and away violating the civility policy.

3. You're unblocked, go be a productive Wikipedian. I'd rather not bring your continual posting here as evidence of harassment (which is considered disruption) to another admin. In short, I'd rather not have anything to do with you, since all you're doing now is pestering someone who was trying to do what she felt was correct.

4. I don't require a response on any of these points. In fact, I don't want you to reply at all. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• Then learn from the whole unplesant experience and you may become quite a good admin. Have no fear I shan't be bothering you again. Giano | talk 01:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[De-indent.] I hope you're not too rattled by this experience. Quite a few respected people have backed you up, and we need admins who are prepared to act decisively in these situations. Well done, and don't be afraid to do the same thing if another such case ever comes up. Metamagician3000 02:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

"Well done"? Sigh... This project is getting less and less reputable day by day. No wonder that best editors leave it all the time, leaving wikilawyers in control. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not rattled per se, I'm just really dissapointed. Both sides of the Pedobox Wars have made themselves known to me, happily a majority of the people either supporting me publicly (here and on AN/I) or privately through email and on IRC, the majority being the latter understandably, as they'd prefer to not be involved. I'm a bit taken aback with the "holier than thou" attitude from one specific editor, but I'm not going to name names as he'd feel otherwise invited to comment on my talkpage, and I'd like to avoid the temptation to either of us. While I still feel I'm "in the right" as far as the action itself and haven't been persuaded otherwise, as well as me having the feeling that Bunchofgrapes is feeling a bit turned-upon after doing what he felt was right, I think it'd be in my best interests to "chill out" for a few days.

Honestly, getting back home after yet more bad news (which I won't get into) and finding that I'm in a wiki-fight with a paranoid persecution-complex case depresses the hell out of me. It's not like I don't have enough RL problems without getting bit for trying to keep the place running without users attacking eachother. Mou... what I'd give for a nice long vacation in Rio this time of year. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you're having other problems. Well, I hope everything works out for you. Hmmm, maybe I should drop a note to Bunchofgrapes, too. He obviously meant well. Metamagician3000 01:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I really, really feel bad for what happened to Bunchofgrapes, actually. He made the exact same mistake as I did: In trying to do what he felt was right, he got bit, and "once bit, twice shy", so those of us who do try to make the place better (I really do firmly think I'm one of those, by the way) will see this and back off, ignoring it the next time someone asks for help for lack of desire to be abused. The part that makes all this complicated is that I'm quite sure everyone involved felt they were in the right and doing the right thing: There are conflicting ideologies everywhere, and Wikipedia is by nature home to the widest variety of those. The hard part to managing a place like this is realizing the diversity of outlook here. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic navbars II

Has anything happened with this from months ago? Gimmetrow 16:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as our using them on Wikipedia, not to my knowledge. You might want to bring it up on WP:VP/T but no such luck so far. The new code seems to work just fine, though I'll be honest: I haven't used it once. :(

It's a good idea and seems to work, but I think most of the people involved with it will consider it to be "more javascript bloat" instead of considering it to be a useful addition. I've not really come up with much of a good way to introduce the dynabars yet. Gomen nasai. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you need help with anything?

'Cause I am feeling like I want to help people with anything that might be causing them stress, as I am in the business of reducing stress (hence my ESP membership). Just say it, and I will help as much as I can, unless it is something admin-related, in which I am unable to do anything.--Chili14 21:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No, not really, just keep up the Esperanza thing really. Thanks for the offer though. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

A friendly greeting for Kylu

Come visit me on IRC some time, k? :) --CableModem 09:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hrm, that wasn't a descriptive header. Perhaps... --CableModem 09:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, hows the new adminship going? Don't stress out and WikiSplode! :P --CableModem 09:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I was just on chat last night, guess you didn't notice. :) Anyway, "adminship" is fine, it's just buttons. I imagine most of my actions have been pretty noncontroversial, it's really just the thing with Giano that has his friendssympathizers crawling out of the woodwork being angsty. *shrug* Whatever works, as long as they play nice and keep the ranting to a low roar. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Kylu, I have never ever been on IRC, which of "my friends" exactly are "crawling out of the woodwork", if any of them are being unpleasant to you, I will request them to stop. Please let me know Giano | talk 19:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Giano, I'm really done with the whole situation. I really, really would love it if everyone would just put it in the past. I've been ignoring them and have no interest in starting a fight with someone else over a situation I consider closed. I don't blame you for people who simply feel that I was in the wrong, but you do have to admit that if one of your friends were hurt and you felt that they were in the right, that you'd be a bit more insistant than normal, right? Well, I know I'd feel that urge, so I assume that it's the same with others and give appropriate weight to unpleasantness. Oh, congrats for 2 more FA's btw. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 20:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Clarified per request of one of Giano's friends on IRC, who felt it was unfair to lump Giano's friends (as she listed them) with those who were giving me a hard time. Apologies to those who are Giano's friends, they're invited to move from watching this page to Giano's talkpage, as any further communications with him will appear there instead. Don't hold your breath though. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome message

Oh, if you still do welcome users with that bright pink template, you should know that it is being replaced, like this edit, to a more passive welcome template by an experienced editor (30k edits). Just thought you'd like to know. Daniel.Bryant 10:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Experience != editcounts, don't succumb to Editcountitis, my friend. Going about and replacing people's welcome messages with their own is, I suppose, one way to increase your number of edits, but hardly a valid contribution. After seeing how that was handled, I'd imagine the best way he could've handled it was to simply add his information to the existing page, though that comes with the disclaimer that I have the benefit of hindsight now, and I'm sure he was simply doing what he felt was right. I dis-invite him from backing up my statement here, though: I'd rather not have any more arguments on my talk for the time being. :P ~Kylu (u|t) 19:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Slashdot: Who (really) Writes Wikipedia

Link: Who (really) Writes Wikipedia

I keep an eye out for /. articles on WP. You find the most interesting things some days. Related: Source

Posted for friends who may be interested in this sort of thing. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 19:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

For trying to cut through some of the stuff around here

small scissors of Japan

For some reason I thought these small Japanese scissors might come in handy in your work here. Hope they help. ++Lar: t/c 20:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I've got a pair of those... I don't like how American scissors "trap" your fingers. ~Kylu (u|t) 20:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I used to have 10 fingers, you know. ++Lar: t/c 21:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Wish you well

Haven't spoken to you for a few days so thought I would say hi and that I'm thinking of you. Hope you are doing well. --Ideogram 14:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

After some of what went on IRC, I started avoiding #wikipedia a bit. Went on last night and got queries too, but at least this time there was a notable absence of four letter words. :D As far as the other things go, I've got an appointment Friday to watch the latest episode of "What's Broken Inside Kylu" and with any luck it'll be the same as before. :) I'll annoy you on chat later, I'm sure. Pop into the medcab chan, you can help me motivate Cake into playing classical guitar for a living. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Kylu, my friend!! Is something wrong? You know you can talk to me anytime. I am more than willing to listen to what you have to say. Just click the + button!--Chili14 23:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

You should pop by User talk:CakeProphet and encourage his musical development. In fact, I think you're both close to the same age, maybe you could make a band or something? :) ~Kylu (u|t) 01:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikicookie

Hey Kylu, noticed you have had a bit of wikistress lately so I thought I'd drop by and give you a cookie to help cheer you up. Although I am hesitant to give this to you, the last time I did (here) you became an admin shortly after (which seems to be the root of your wikistress). Hopefully this one isn't as harmful.

A wikicookie to help you cheer up.--Joe Jklin 21:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Oi. Now that you've said that, I may never eat another cookie again. o.o;; Thanks for the thought though. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 04:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

IP Blocked

Please don't block our IPs in the UAE - we are on Etisalat proxy and IP changes frequently while connected, we have no legal choices about how we're connected here (this message appeared when editing).

>> Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. >> You were blocked by Kylu for the following reason (see our blocking policy): >> Open proxy, as per Kelly Martin on IRC >> Your IP address is 213.42.2.23.

>> 195.229.241.181 07:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The block on that IP is currently set by User:Netsnipe with the reason: Emirates national proxy (AO), set at 07:47, 9 September 2006 (see Block log for 213.42.2.23). The block I set earlier for your IP was done on behalf of User:Kelly Martin. While it's understandably annoying that a national proxy would get blocked and punish everyone in the country for the wrongdoing of a select few, that's also the function of a proxy: They concentrate all of the network traffic onto a few easily monitorable, controllable, and sadly, blockable, IP addresses. We have the same problem with AOL.

I'm sure you don't want to hear excuses, you'd rather hear "Okay, so how do I connect to my account and edit, then?" My suggestion: Log in via secure.wikimedia.org instead. Using the secure server should bypass the national proxy. Obviously, make sure this is legal where you're at before doing so. :) Hope that helps, and thanks for contributing to the project! ~Kylu (u|t) 22:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I see Netsnipe reblocked it for Anonymous accounts only? Do we know if he allowed or denied new account creation on that block? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

No clue, you'd have to ask Netsnipe, sorry. As far as account creation goes, though, I imagine that since the secure server works with the real IP address of the user instead of the blocked proxy address, it really shouldn't matter. I could be wrong, though. In fact, lately, it wouldn't surprise me a bit. Can't hurt to try though. I think I'll just give up on the block button for a while. :( ~Kylu (u|t) 22:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Courage. I'm just trying to understand the situation. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Omne initium est difficile. Admin actions like protection and delete, especially when used on request by those who are working things out, aren't inherently confrontational. You can peacefully protect a page (like my WP:RFO) or delete a page (CSD U1 for instance) and be being nice to people. Blocking doesn't seem to be like that. I did the admin thing because people suggested I'd be good at it, that I could do more of my style of assistance with the extra buttons than without. *shrug* I don't see how a block is going to help anyone, anymore. If someone's violating 3RR or running from an open proxy or being incivil...well, let someone else handle it. I'm not an admin, just a wiki-janitor. Anywho, I'm not balking at you or anything, BoG, you've always been terribly nice, I'm just burnt out on people griping about blocks, I suppose.

Anywho, like I said, ask Netsnipe how he blocked the user. I don't know how to check that or if it's even possible. The developers may not have even thought to implement that capability. Might be a good question to ask on WP:AN though, or maybe WP:BP's talkpage perhaps? ~Kylu (u|t) 23:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

National Security Surveillance Act

Now, I'm sure this will surprise some of the people who watch this page, but I think this article looks to be a good start for sources regarding the "National Security Surveillance Act" which I have a sneaky suspicion will end up being quite Notable. Let's just pretend for the moment it's not intuition: Read through the text of the Act provided and see if you agree with me or not that it may well deserve an article. ~Kylu (u|t) 00:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you a Democrat or a Republican? Do you support Bush? And why in the heck does this article not yet exist? I fully support its creation.--Chili14 03:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't vote in elections. Not that I'm apolitical or apathetic about our politics, I just disagree with every candidate that I've run across so far, and find that to vote for the lesser evil is still voting for evil. Selecting the "lesser" evil each time hardly qualifies as doing good, don't you think? I suppose I could say that on financial issues, I balance between conservative spending and libertarian spending to get government out from the lives of the people (in contrast to the current Republican party, which seems to be socially conservative but at the moment financially rather liberal.) and terribly liberal socially, as I fully support federally mandated equality regardless of age (within reason, no 6 year old semi drivers please), gender, gender identity or preference, race, religion (or lack thereof) and ethnic background. On the other hand, I'm not much for "extras" given out to any of these groups either: "Hand outs" will only increase the perceived differences between them, not reduce those differences. As far as Bush goes, it's rather interesting: Indiana (where I'm at now) is a very conservative state, yet I have yet to meet anyone who actually openly supports Bush. Most of the Republicans I know are considering voting Democratic in the next US Presidential Election merely because of the reputation that Bush has given the U.S. I'm not sure what political party I'd belong to, but as far as I can tell, none of the current ones qualify. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it would be a good article to create, as it probably will be very notable and I think is notable now. I would be careful to use the article you provided. None of the interviews should be used, as they appear to be POV. Right now I think the best way to appproach this article would be to state what the act itself entitles (info straight from the act itself; which I assume is the second link but is not working for me). Maybe this would help (that is if you are a lawyer or senator) Other wise I think you're going to run into some serious opposition if any type of social commentary is included. This article does mention it briefly here, and may be of some help. Just my thoughts, but you may (and probably do) know what to do better than I do.--Joe Jklin (T C) 03:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've got an editing sockpuppet or two that I write with: Once this account hit admin, I started editing with other accounts, hence the drop in editcounts. You'll likely discover one of them soon, once this article is created. With luck, I may end up with another FA soon. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 19:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Izzy Gomez (restaurateur)

Would mind undeleting this, at least temporarily, so I can take a look at it? Having actually eaten at Izzy's (REALLY good steaks), I know he's real and at least locally well known. and it might be worth an actual article. --Calton | Talk 02:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Per your request, I restored the article. There's not much meat to it (ha ha!) but if you can fix it up, more power to ya! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 02:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)re

Thanks. And ugh, you're right. I left a note at the article's creator to give him another chance. If he doesn't, gimme a couple of hours and I'll see what I can do with it. If not, delete away. --Calton | Talk 02:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't it have been moved to userspace? not too late... - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead. Personally, while I don't/didn't think that Izzy's is notable enough for an encyclopedia, it's not hurting either way. If you decide to userify the page to Calton's userspace, please make sure you either tag the redirect or just delete it yourself, depending on if you have the janitor-bit. Thanks for the help! ~Kylu (u|t) 01:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

"Page prod'd for 7 days before CSD A7 applied"

So which was it? Prod or A7? Prod can be disputed retroactively per WP:PROD and must then be undeleted. A7 is a highe rmeasure of finality, which is why I nominated it. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The A7 applies and is what it was deleted under (hence why I said "before CSD A7 applied" ... I "applied" the A7 deletion), I was just noting that there were also 7 days where it could've been discussed also, that way the original author can't say it was deleted without discussion. In short, I'm agreeing with your csd nom and also noting that if he'd have cared that much, there was plenty of warning it was going to be deleted anyway. Sorry for the confusion, hope that helps! ~Kylu (u|t) 03:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

review

Hi Kylu - I request that you give a little time by visiting Wikipedia:Editor review/Rama's Arrow 2 to review my contributions and sharing any criticism or advice. I will greatly appreciate any input you give. Thanks, Rama's arrow 17:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Will do. :D ~Kylu (u|t) 01:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi!

It has occurred to me that perhaps you do not know what is happening here [18] and would like the opportunity to explain your actions there Bearing in mind I had never heard of you prior to your action, it would make interesting reading. Incidentally, just for my personal interest, why do you write "I've got an editing sockpuppet or two that I write with: Once this account hit admin, I started editing with other accounts" Why do you feel the need to do that? Giano 21:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hiya Giano. Actually, I've been told about the arbcom case and have been hoping and praying that I wouldn't get involved. Unless a member of arbcom or a clerk asks me to clarify something on that page, I don't even have any intention of reading it. I have no interest in going through the mess that is RfA, so if arbcom removes my sysop flag, I have no interest in pursuing that work a second time. It'd be best to acknowledge that in the resolution.

When there's a policy violation, there's a couple different ways of looking at blocks: 1. Punishment (which blocking policy says it's not, even though some blocks seem like they are) or 2. Preventitive (Removing the ability of a user to cause further strife or vandalism to Wikipedia, which is my motivation.) When I blocked your account, it was in the hopes that it was a "common sense" (aka WP:IAR) block which would more benefit than hinder Wikipedia by both preventing further inflammatory edits and giving you an opportunity to take things into perspective. Obviously, admins on Wikipedia are not (well, for the most part) in the business of annoying long-standing contributors and further causing strife. I firmly re-emphasize that I was trying to do what was best for Wikipedia, though I apparently failed miserably in this. I really am sorry that you're the one that was blocked due to the actions of a non-FA-writing newbie admin, though I'm thankful that BunchOfGrapes managed to correct my blunder. Since then, I've attempted to stick to as non-controversial admin actions as possible. There are "obvious vandal" type accounts that I have not blocked, images and pages not deleted or restored, MediaWiki: projects that I was hoping to help improve, and page protections I've skipped, all due to ... well, bluntly, fear of fucking up again. CrazyRussian, above, has poked me on one delete and one restore, and after the debacle involving your block, I'm considering putting my admin account on wikibreak for a nice long period of time until I'm satisfied that I've got a better handle on things as apparently I did not at that time. I took my friends and supporters up on the idea of me going for admin in the hopes that I really could help improve the place and make people a little happier. In that, I think I failed miserably, though the amount of effort it takes to get to this point would make it be blatantly stupid to turn in the sysop bit right now. What if I visit CAT:CSD next week and there's a 60kb backlog? I could still help with that perhaps... better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, ne? I suppose I'm not the best qualified to answer that question at the moment, though, and will find out soon enough if I even have to worry about it at all.

As far as me moving my article edits to my various sockpuppets (yes, it's allowable in current sockpuppet policy), I'd rather have my edits stand for themselves, rather than be "the edits of the idiot admin that blocked Giano and caused all the mess", so I hide them behind other accounts. If you see a newbie editor make a mistake while editing (for instance) a new anime series, but otherwise the article is fine, you correct the edit and go on with life, right? There are many, though, who if they see a similar mistake by a new admin feel that it might be their duty to bring this to their attention. See the deletion discussion with CrazyRussian above for the sort of thing I'm trying to avoid. My favorite account so far has been editing over a month now and has accumulated a whole one message: a welcome template. :) I'm no FA writer like you, I don't crank out the high quality articles. Most of my work is cleaning up a block-text article, adding infoboxes, spellchecking (thankfully automated, I've been told before that my non automated spelling is atrocious), wikilinking, and the like. Relative to others such as yourself, I do non-critical and apparently pointless work. I imagine that the work involved in setting up the oversight-l mailing list and WP:RFO has so far failed to help protect the privacy of even one user. Apparently the list is completely dead, from what I hear. (You don't think they'd give me access, do you? Heh, I barely qualified to be an admin, much less rate that sort of access.)

If you end up going for RfA yourself, let me know, okay? I won't vote either way, since it's impossible for me to not be biased, but I'd like to follow the votes. Again, sorry to have apparently instigated this whole mess. ~Kylu (u|t) 22:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your explanation. The dilemma of voting for me at an RFA will never be able to perplex you, as I have never felt need to be an admin. I achieve all I wish too without resorting to the blocking other editors. Now I'll leave you to continue your work. Giano 12:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)