User talk:Kudpung/Archive Sep 2016

create a page

how to create a page that would not get deleted. i have reliability sources. if possibly can you create one for jason innocent or gave advised how to make one. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James19957 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Difficult, because a) you are Jason Innocent or editing on his behalf which is not permitted, see WP:Conflict of interest, b) because you are now using two accounts, c) because simply recreating a deleted article under a similar page name is not permitted, and d) according to my research this person is unlikely to meet our criteria of notability see WP:CREATIVE.

You can try by creating your article through WP:Article Wizard but unless you add watertight sources right at the start it will probably be deleted again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Delection

Why my article got deleted. I had notability sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasoninnocent (talk • contribs) 06:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Please see the message above. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Page

Is it possible you can write one for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasoninnocent (talk • contribs) 06:57, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

No, because a) you are Jason Innocent or editing on his behalf which is not permitted, see WP:Conflict of interest, b) because you are now using two accounts, c) because simply recreating a deleted article under a similar page name is not permitted, and d) according to my research this person is unlikely to meet our criteria of notability see WP:CREATIVE.

You can try by creating your article through WP:Article Wizard but unless you add watertight sources right at the start it will probably be deleted again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:01, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Chef Asif Rasheed Syed

Hello Kudpung. Thank you for your input. In regards of your mentioned COI. Chef Asif is an acquaintance of mine. I am a regular at his restaurant and I felt that he deserves having the recognition like many other celebrity chefs so I went ahead and created this page. I don't see a COI and anybody who knows him is more than welcome to contribute on his page. What do I have to do to make sure that the page doesn't get deleted? I appreciate your help.

Regards DDimitrios Settos (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Let's put it this way, Dimitrios: if Christian Etienne, genuinely one of the best chefs in the whole of France and where I used to dine very regularly from 1988 to 1999 in his restaurant in Avignon doesn't have a Wikipedia page then I can't really see how your friend 'deserves' one. A mention on Wikipedia isn't an accolade that someone earns. The person (or his restaurant, in this case) may well be notable out there, just as Christian Etienne is a name on the lips and fork of every serious French gourmet, but Wikipedia has its own rules which are described at WP:NOTABILITY. To assert notability, sufficient independent articles must have been published in mainstream sources - read all about them at WP:Reliable sources. If you can do that, there's a chance your article will survive. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Steven Engelhardt

Hi, I recently had a page called "Steven Engelhardt" and I was wondering why it was deleted. I am making a school project and we are supposed to make a presentation about ourselves. I was wondering if you could undelete my page so I can use it for my presentation then possibly leave it up for fun at school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenengelhardt (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

If you genuinely do not understand why the page was deleted I suggest you ask your teacher who told you to make it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

[Hrithik Vardhan]]

• Hallo Sir

Need your help the article(Hrithik Vardhan) pls open the article right now the article has been protected from creation, so only administrators can create it.

Will you please help us

H360V Team

H360v, Sorry the answer is no, it's been deleted 6 times altready. You can create a new article at Draft:Hrithik Vardhan and submit it for review, but don;t be surprised it it gets deleted again because you are determined to promote this person by using Wikipedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks you sir

So what should I do sir

Please have idea to get back it — Preceding unsigned comment added by H360v (talk • contribs) 12:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

H360v, PLease read my answer above. Unfortunately , this is the English Wikipedia and if you don't understand it, nobody will explain it in your language. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

hi kudpung,

thanks for the note. Im still learning how to edit the article and ive added the references to it. Hope it wont get deleleted after this, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smse89 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

zeskullz

Why is my article about ZESKULLZ got deleted, i had notable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perfektbitz (talk • contribs) 10:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Please sign your posts (see the blue banner at the bottom of this page). Please see the message(s) on your tal page. The blue words are clickable links and will take you to more detailed information about notability requirements.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Vehroot Shelf

Hi Kudpung:

Shaun Trites here, I was in the process of creating a wiki page for Vehroot Shelf and you deleted it. I hope to appeal to you that its not for the purpose of advertising or soliciting business but to act as an informative and technical explanation of the a product we have created and are bringing to market.

Hopefully I can explain it in a manner that helps you understand the goal is to educate those searching for a better understanding of our Vehroot Shelf. We plan to also document the history of our company the founding members, patents we hold and goals for the future of our Tech company.

So I will be happy to answer and satisfy any concern you have to allows us to keep building the Vehroot Shelf WIKI page...

Thank you! Shauno@vehroot.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shauntrites (talk • contribs) 14:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure if you were really in the process of creating that page. Normally spam gets deleted within seconds but after giving you the benefit of the doubt and waiting several hours for further edits before tagging for deletion, the reviewer legitimately assumed the article to be a finished work - which 99% of similar corporate articles are. In the three short sentences you did not explain how your product has revolutionised anything on a grand scale such as Nokia and Apple have and you also broke the fourth wall which while perfectly standard in promotional texts is certainly out of place in something as dry and formal as an encyclopedia. So unfortunately, your company will have to cause a furor about itself before it will meet our notability criteria at WP:ORG, and when it does, what is said about it will need to be linked to many, totally independent third-party, WP:Reliable sources. Please also see the message I have left on your talk page and you will understand why your company cannot write an article about itsef. I do realise that the WikiMedia Foundation does not allow us to make it sufficiently clear to new editors at the onset what they can and cannot write about, and I do hope that you'll nevertheless get an idea to write an article about something else, but before you tread on the toes of our policies, don't hesitate to ask me or another experienced editor if your idea will have a chance of survival before you spend too much time on it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

New Page Patrol: after following recent discussions on DGG's talk page, your comments, and the rfc

I'd like to get your comment on the new page patrol I performed on American Wood Council and the messages I left with the creator Intermaat. I have placed the dozen or so pages I've reviewed (as well as the creator talk pages) on my watch list so that I can follow developments.) — Neonorange (Phil) 16:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

You seem to be doing alright with your patrolling. The best way to follow up on your deletion tags is to check your patrol logs from time to see how many articles are still blue linked. Do take a moment to read WP:NPP even if you aready have - New Page Patrolling is perhaps the most complex task that non-admins do. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Question

I stumbled across this page when researching and noticed a string of these stubs are listed in a collapsable box at the bottom of the page. It seems to me that it would be far more beneficial to readers/researchers if all that fractured information was united into a list in one place. Your thoughts? ^{Atsme📞📧} 14:57, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I think that's what is called a navigation template. They usually do what they are supposed to do and as far as I can see, they appear to be the nearest thing to what you are suggesting. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Gaby Borges

Hi!

I believe that it is an error to delete an actress page, she has 5 IMDB credits on her filmography so far, and the most recent ones have not been added yet.

Her first soap opera was a word wide success Eva Luna where Gaby in the grand finale she sang the Ave Maria, which made her an amazing singer known world wide. In this her first soap opera she was nominated Best Child Actress by the New Herald which is one of the most important news paper and also one very recognized magazine nominated her best second actress called People en Español.

At this moment she is the host of her own TV show SUPER GENIOS

She is a very well known actress/singer, if you could please tell me what I did wrong I will appreciate it, if you even can help me fix it I will appreciate it even more. My intentions were only to post all her actress information as all the actresses and actors do, she is mentioned in wikipedia in all her soap operas but she did not have a page on her own and I wanted to create one for her.

Thank you,

chihuo1

You'll have to wait now for the outcome of the deletion discussion. The article was completely unsourced in spite of the requirement, but you can still add sources while the discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaby Borges. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

The result of the community discussion was 'delete' Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

GMA Worldwide Inc.

Hi, I just receive the nomination to delete about GMA Worldwide Inc. and I was suppose to edit this article but the article does not exist, this article is a company that dominate the drama of GMA Network and worldwide. Kazaro (talk) 07:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)Kazaro

The article was deleted because it contained no substantive content and what existed was typical of a promotional B2B site listing. It appears to have been redirected to the more informative article at GMA Network (company). Why were you 'supposed' to edit it? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:40, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Pershore High School

Thanks for pointing me towards this article. I have taken a wee hack at it; I think it is better now, though slightly shorter. Those OFSTED links no longer work and have to be replaced, and the book source is far stronger than the primary source, I think. --John (talk) 08:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

NPP backlog

Gosh, you poor guy. It’s a mess, isn’t it? I’ve been not as able to spend time contributing here as I had earlier this year (plus maybe I’ve got more indecisive and prone to ask people if they can improve articles that look marginal). I am trying to spend more time on it - my concern is that the faster I go through articles the more chance that I’ll make a mistake but so far I hope I’ve cleared quite a bit of backlog.

By the way, thanks for this message. I don’t know if I’ve ever really discussed this with anyone, but I kind of drifted into doing NPP at first after I felt that my editing on here was getting in a bit of a rut of just doing font articles, and your field guide had a big impact on me with getting a sense of how to interact with new editors, be constructive and avoid biting. I’m always keen to get feedback and advice so just let me know if you think I’m doing the wrong thing. I'm reading through the RfC at the moment but haven't yet come to a decision on where I stand.

I think it’s a real problem that Wikipedia risks being deluged with junk (or articles that need someone experienced to give them a bit of help). Could we perhaps ask WMF developers to list this on the panel above the contributions list (sorry, I don’t know what the word for this is) where RfAs and RfCs get listed asking if anyone would like to help, maybe set it to display to people with more than a thousand edits and linking to your guide? I realise that would let a lot of very inexperienced people loose on NPP, but to be honest it's something you get better at by doing it, so that might be less important than it sounds. Blythwood (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Blythwood. When we negotiated with the Foundation 4 years ago to develop the new, new page patrolling system WP:Page Curation, they only completed half the project they began. It was supposed to include a completely new start page for new users which would have significantly reduced the number of inappropriate pages. The current system therefore, although a brilliant software extension, is only as good as the people who use it. As access to the tool is unlimited, one can draw one's own conclusions as to the quality of patrolling. Hence the reason for the RfC to introduce a controlled user right for patrollers. Accuracy of patrolling is so important that perhaps a large backlog is a sustainable disadvantage, at least until a new user right is introduced which will also automatically have the social effect of encouraging users to apply for the right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

On Deleting a Page

Hi Kudpung,

Recently, you deleted a page I created about Enterprise Risk Management Academy. You mentioned that the page is deleted because it was too promotional. However, Enterprise Risk Management Academy is pretty much the same organization like Institute of Risk Management and Global Association of Risk Professional, I even use the same structure as the two aforementioned organizations. Could you elaborate more why the page got deleted?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archiefazira (talk • contribs) 05:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it looks as if Institute of Risk Management and Global Association of Risk Professional slipped through the net - which with around 1,500 new articles arriving each day is quite possible. They will also be deleted soon. If you can find sources to comply with our criteris at WP:ORG you might be able to compose an srticle than can be published, but do plase first read WP:Reliable sources to find out what kind of references are acceptable.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Please comment here

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Useless articles created in other namespaces

--Marvellous Spider-Man 08:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

hi

hi this is my first article in wiki. i cant add tags links. how to do that. pls help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papiamumtaz (talk • contribs) 01:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

That's right, Papiamumtaz - there are a lot of things you can't do until you have been resgistered for at least 4 days. Please sign your posts - see the big blue banner at the bottom of this page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

thanks a lot for your help friend :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papiamumtaz (talk • contribs) 03:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Removal of notice

Hi, I've made many edits to the Edutechnoz page since you nominated it for deletion. It's been over a week since you added the notice and no one else weighed in on the discussion. Just wondering if you've seen the edits and if you've changed your mind. I would appreciate your feedback and/or removal of the deletion notice. Thank you Nadiaqas (talk) 14:57, 8 September 2016 (UTC)Nadiaqas

Hi Nadiaqas. It's not possible to remove AfD notices. It's most unusual that a deletion discussion remains 11 days without a single comment. It will have to run its course because I have no further influence over it. While I am still fully convinced that it does not fulfill the requirements for Wikipedia notabillity standards, if after 14 days no one has commented, it might be closed as 'no consensus' which means it will defaut to 'keep' --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Undeletion

Hi, I recently made a page called "Steven Engelhardt" I was wondering if you could undelete the page because i was using it for a project in school. The project is that we are supposed to make a presentation about ourselves and I chose to make a Wikipedia page so that it stands out. I was in the middle of making my page and it was deleted. If you can put it back up for at least 2 weeks then possibly leave it up forever so I can have fun with it at school.

-Steven Engelhardt of Merritt Island High School — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenengelhardt (talk • contribs) 13:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry, Steven, but that is absolutely one of the main kind of articles that we do not allow on Wikipedia under any circumstances. Wikipedia is a serious project and is not a fun thing. Perhaps you would get more fun out of making a Facebook page about yourself, but even there, you will need to learn to read he instructions ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Anon

Hi! You tagged my article for deletion saying that there are variety of reasons. Could you, please, clarify things as I really want to post it. I hope for your detailed answer. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewst (talk • contribs) 14:52, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps if you were look at the tags on the article you will find the information you require. If you sign your name and provide a link to the article, I'll take a look. That said, Wikipedia is not a B2B company listing site - something that is largely misunderstood. . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Marked for deletion : Claude Barras

Kudpung, thanks for notifying the lack of sources. I just edited the article and added two links in the references. I hope I did it the correct way, I am new to Wikipedia. How do we remove now the deletion notice? Many thanks.Adrian Stiefel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Stiefel (talk • contribs) 15:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia criteria for notability at WP:CREATIVE must be met, and substantiated by WP:Reliable sources, that are independent ans which discuss the subject in depth. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC).

Vilshenko

Hi! Thank you for viewing and giving feedback on Vilshenko page. Could you please help by specifying how it needs to be amended for the page to stay online? I work for Vilshenko therefore the majority of information is coming from internal sources. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you!

SylwiaVilshenko (talk) 15:57, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Unfotunately Vilshenko, I'm very sorry but it's not going to happen; a lot of other admins including JamesBWatson have commented on your talk page. If the Vilshenko is truly notable by our Wikipedia criteria then someone else totally unconnected with her in any way will write a perfectly neutral article about her. Working for the subject you write about on Wikipedia can in some cases even get your account locked with a technical prevention from creating another. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:58, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

There's a lot of me about...

"A lot of other admins including JamesBWatson"? Actually, I'm the only admin who's posted there, and one of only two editors who have done so. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi JamesBWatson. Sorry about that. Must have been thinking about something else. An IP has been tinkering with our talk pages about this. Possibly the creator. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Marked for Deletion,List of Injustice Characters

Hello, you marked my page, List of Injustice Characters for deletion. I just wanted you to know about that and also, I really wanted to make this page on the list of its characters. Because I am so interested on the game. I feel like if Mortal Kombat got one and here is its page, List of Mortal Kombat characters then Injustice: Gods Among Us should get one as well. Thank you for listening, Andther (talk) 22:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC)Andther. — Preceding signed comment added by Andther (talk • contribs) 22:09, 10 September 2016 (UTC) Andther (talk) 22:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:28, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Malvern Water (bottled water)

The article Malvern Water (bottled water) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Malvern Water (bottled water) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Yellow Dingo -- Yellow Dingo (talk) 02:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

FOL Logistics

Hi, pinging you as the previous deleter of FOL Logistics. I nominated it for CSD previously, and have just tagged the latest creation of it again. It was moved out of draft space by someone with very little edit history, and a comment that it meets notability. I'm not convinced, as I'm not really seeing WP:CCS in there, and it still seems very promotional. Maybe it's improved, maybe not; I can't see the deleted revisions so not certain, but I'm still not convinced by it in its current form. Murph9000 (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

 Done Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

ANI closure

Hi. Regarding this thread, you must have taken the time to go through that entire thing before closing it, right? So you would have had a reaction that was a little more substantial and worthwhile than "And with one bound an admin finally jumps in and says to all 'STFU and get back to work'. That's it folks - for now." Right? RunnyAmiga ※ talk 19:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Toronto District School Board

Hi, I see you deleted a list of school board trustees from this article. The reason you left was "rm per LISTPEOPLE & BLP. Also such lists are volatile and are rarely updated"

1. LISTPEOPLE is referring to Stand-alone lists, unlike here, where the list is not stand-alone but rather an integral part of the article.
2. Trustees are elected every 4 years, so no its not volatile as most will not change for 4 years (or longer)
3. As you see after summer by-election the list was updated rather quickly.

Ntb613 (talk) 03:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Sciences Po talk page and edit summaries

Hi Kudpung,

Thank you for your actions. I will use the edit demand page. I was wondering: is there a way to have 75.156.54.227 (temporary) banned for all the insults directed on me, in the talk page and in the summaries?

Thanks.

--Launebee (talk) 08:43, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

There's not much point in blocking anons unless they are doing something egregious to the encyclopedia. You might as well try to ban a voice that yelling at you through the trees in a thick forest. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer but sorry I don’t understand: I have to endure continuous personal attacks,even insults, perhaps with sexist motivation, without anything to be done about that? At least an admin should tell him to stop or he would face a ban if he continues… --Launebee (talk) 11:39, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Would you like me to write it in another language?--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

No, I just did not understand what you meant. Something is possible to be done for sure. I proposed for now a message on his page to tell him to stop or he will face consequences. --Launebee (talk) 11:49, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Coming to this from RFPP, [1] I am uncomfortable with shutting out one side in a content dispute which only seems to involve two people. I will add something to the IP's talk page --NeilN ^{talk to me} 11:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I understand, but it has to stop. --Launebee (talk) 13:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, I wrote Launebee is "a dishonest editor" and "lying". He/she responded by telling me to "stop [my]...sexism". I am not the first person to have their work deleted by Launebee: on 18 August 2016, 2003:42:2E66:436A:98D:9112:7EC7:E8BE also became annoyed Launebee was deleting their work.

Launebee has written in the overview section for Sciences Po's wiki that Sciences Po "...faced numerous scandals.[6][7][8]". None of these links mention any scandals. I believe him/her to be a dishonest editor and we have proof she is lying in her edits. Please consider banning her from editing Sciences Po.

When people have tried asking her directly about her work, she avoids the question and says they are personally attacking her. See: "I don't understand your question" for another example. I, personally, do not believe her to be helpful to wikipedia from what I have read. I've done a lot of work on wiki over the years, and I don't appreciate being told my behavior is sexist after someone deletes a bunch of helpful work, makes a whole section for "Scandals" (unprecedented on any university's wiki from what I have seen - it is now "reputation and scandals"), and gives citations that do not support at all what she has written, and when someone calls her a disruptive editor and a liar (which are true for what I was responding to). Anyway I'm through with wasting my time on trolls. I regret that your time (and mine) gets wasted dealing with these kind of people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.54.227 (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2016 (UTC) After this I am finished with wiki, I see now that its controlled by trolls. People delete other people's work, make Scandals sections, then call a person who gets annoyed with them sexist and say they are getting personally attacked when someone questions them. It's so obvious this person is a troll and should at least be banned from the Sciences Po wiki.

75.156.54.227(75.156.54.227}: I appreciate your concerns but we have a special department for reporting issues like these. Unfortunately, if you do not register an account, it may not be easy for you to make your concerns stick, especially as you appear no to wish to sign your messages. The place to raise the issue is at WP:ANI and you must inform Launebee about the complaint. Note that I am not categorizing here on who might or might not be abusing our collaborative policies, and I will recuse myself from any formal discussion about user behaviour over Sciences Po. (NeilN - FYI). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:15, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Why did you delete my bands Wiki page?

Hi Kudpung,

My name is Jon, I play own and run a band called Forest Falls. I recently made a wiki page that I was in the process of editing and you deleted it. I would like to know why? Thanks JOn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.85.244 (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2016 (UTC) HI,

1. You have not made any contributions to Wikipedia beyond the post above.
2. The only article named Forest Falls was deleted: 05:44, January 18, 2011 Explicit (talk | contribs | block) deleted page Forest Falls (G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)
3. If you had written about a band you own or even play in, you should not be writing about anything you are connected with because you would have a Conflict of Interest. If your band were truly famous, it would have listed in the UK or USA charts, had several articles dedicated to it in Billboard or NME, and pass our criteria at WP:BAND.
4. You did not sign your post and ignored the big blue banner down there →

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:24, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Data feed for Special:NewPagesFeed

Hi Kudpung, that graph I cobbled together has got me thinking - you wouldn't happen to know where Special:NewPagesFeed gets its data from would you? I imagine it's a series of API calls and is documented somewhere, so I'll keep looking. Kind regards -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 09:15, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, I don't, Sam, and that's the problem. Scottywong made a brilliant tool way back in 2010 when we started investigating NPP, but I guess that was based on the old feed. If you or MA know how to write a similar tool, that would be great. You might find something useful here at the portal of his suite of tools under New Page Patrol Report, and New Page Patrol Graph. All they do when you try to use them is display some bits of code. Scott has retired a long time ago and although the tools were ported to Labs, nobody maintained them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:35, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Kudpung - I couldn't find any documentation, so am having to ask around a bit more. I was interested in trying to create a live graph from the data. I've started doing some NPPing and will try to do so every editing session -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 10:03, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Sam, IIRR, when the new New Pages Feed first began, some meta information was included in the footer where it mentions the backlog. It said: Users currently patrolling: User X, User Y, UserZ. It was based, I believe, on the names of the users who had made patrols in the last 120 minutes. Then it disappeared. The reason eludes me but AFAIK, it could only have been done by the WMF because they are the only people who have access to the extension's code. Perhaps Jorm could elaborate if he's around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Samtar: mw:Page Curation is the user-friendly overview and mw:Extension:PageTriage is the extension page for the more technically minded. Kaldari may be able to help you identify the specifics. --Izno (talk) 13:44, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: I've been bumbling through the source for a while - I believe the extension had an API capability, but can't find an endpoint to query. I'm only really looking for a way of getting live statistics which doesn't involve loads of API calls to RecentChanges or scraping NewPagesFeed. Any further wisdom would be appreciated! -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 13:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Samtar: PageTriage has 5 different APIs (which are not documented, sorry). I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but you're probably interested in either action=pagetriagelist or action=pagetriagestats. You should be able to figure most of it out by looking at [2] and [3]. Here's an example API call for pagetriagelist: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=pagetriagelist&format=json&namespace=0&showunreviewed=1&limit=20&dir=oldestfirst. Kaldari (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Kaldari: You've just made my day, thank you -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 18:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung: FWIW, I'm throwing a bit of a NPP dashboard together at http://tools.wmflabs.org/nppdash/ - so far its only live numbers and the most recent patrol log entries, but it there's some scope now with the API to do quite a bit more (actually review/tag articles etc) -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 19:44, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Kurt Kohl

Kurt Kohl consensus was done, 4 others has said to keep. There was no talk post to delete page. It had been posted for 8 days and well referenced. We keep posts there and NO delete post there. Your reply? Telecine Guy 15:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

The result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Kohl was quite clearly 'Delete'. If you wish to contest the closure please make your case at Wikipedia:Deletion review. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

@Telecineguy: There is only 1 "keep" in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Kohl. Wikipedia has certain rules about notability, in particular, WP:GNG and WP:Notability (people). You have to understand them well enough. In particular, please learn now to correctly sign your posts by typing four tildes, see WP:SIG. You are editing since 2007; enough time to learn the ropes. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• "quite clearly 'Delete'? " How do you come to this conclusion? Not by reading the talk page or the references. No one wrote to Delete on the talk page. One wrote the page was well referenced and should not be deleted. Remembering to ~ ~ ~ ~ , is not easy we your are upset that some just deleted a page that 4 or 5 others and I have worked on. It should against the rules to tag and run. The delete tagger posted nothing on the talk page. Telecine Guy 20:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The discussion was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Kohl. That discussion was open for seven days and linked at the top of the article. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Such discussions are not held on the article talk page. clpo13_(talk) 20:52, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

The result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Kohl was quite clearly 'Delete'. Please learn to follow links when they are provided. If then you still wish to contest the closure please make your case at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but please do not persist here. Also, your signature does not comply with policy. It must link either to your user talk page (preferred), or to your user page; you can reset this in your user preferences. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• The decision at AFD for deletion was correct with the deletion arguments of four editors and the nominator against the one keep vote which was qualified as a weak keep. Talk page discussions do not count at all at AFDs, the participants of the talk page need to comment at AFD for their views to be considered.As a side note it was Staszek Lem (talk · contribs) who nominated the AFD, I did the A7 which was declined.Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
• Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 September 20, where it's likely to be speedy closed. —Cryptic 21:45, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thank you for the feedback, very useful. I have had a few speedy deleted tags, but none that had discussions. Telecine Guy (talk) 00:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

You were mentioned at ANI

Just a quick message to let you know you were mentioned in this thread -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 14:53, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Prism Corporation Private Limited

Hi, Prism Corporation Article is about an organization and its not any promotion or advertising thing. kindly do let me know what has to be done on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rnejanthan (talk • contribs) 05:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Rnejanthan, like all your other articles, you are mistaking our encyclopedia for a business listing site. Under our policies, that constitutes advertising. Your account is also pending an investigation into your inappropriate use of multiple accounts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Shawn McBride

Nothing to see here - just trolling

Hi I'm not sure who you are but I am in fact Shawn McBride. I'm an acclaimed award winning bestselling author. I got sick of seeing my neighborhood listed in Wikipedia with a reference to me with no link. Up writing I saw folks could contribute. There is so much garbage on Wikipedia. So many nobodies. I bet reality tv stars appear in Wikipedia. I'm an author of literary fiction. My novel gets taught in high schools and colleges. I speak at universities. So knock yourself out speedy deleting me Johnny Wikipedia police. There's plenty of bottom feeders on here. Pedantic entries. I'm an artist. The wiki entry to my neighborhood mentions me. So do your worst. No idea your motivation. I'll be on here soon enough. Should have been here already anyway. So zap it. I'll be back and won't be me writing it and you'll have no deletion/demerit power over it, hall monitor. Lighten up. There's so many candy asses on here ain't accomplished anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawnpmcb (talk • contribs) 07:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC) See the notices both at the top AND the bottom of this page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:30, 23 September 2016 (UTC) I took the thing down. Autobiography is a book. Not a blurb with autobio. I wouldn't have written had someone taken care of it when they included me in my neighborhood. How bout u don't use my name without my permission? And don't give public access to write stuff. I'd never have cared but seen holmesburg with my name and no link. Enbarassing based on what u accept. It's gone. Do not reply. I'll not use this again. I mean wiki. Shawnpmcb (talk) 08:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Is there a way to create a page, populate it then publish it?

Hi, I seemed to have missed something: have only created drafts of a couple of pages: in their present state, yes they should go - but they are valid 'things' in the real world. What would you recommend? I found the Initial template quite intimidating to do all in one session. Happy to take things down and do it properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boyflea (talk • contribs) 12:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Boyflea, there is. We call it the Draft namespace. Create the page you want to develop under Draft:article name (insert the actual article name) then ask me to check it and move it to mainspace when you think it is ready. It is a gross omission of the Wikimedia Foundation not to have created a proper landing page for new users. We've been asking them for years but to no avail. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this! Yes, it would have made things far far simpler: I wul dimagine you deal with a lot of people just starting to edit who are then put-off by such intimidating feedback: appreciate the need to maintain standards however, so will continue on with this. My goal is to properly represent the actual history of the IOMO company, as all the links default to games they did not create. So while perfecting the first page, may have been better to do this draft. I did also try to deliver a 'Gumbler' page too, but this is not auto-redirecting to the Aquastax page: did I do this? There is now no way for me to even view the page... help please? happy to re-do frmo scratch in draft mode, of course. Boyflea —Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Boyflea, You are going to have to extremely careful if you are going to write an article about a company of any kind, even a non-profit, because we don't like people exploiting our unpaid volunteer time to increase their web presence which of course will ultimately increase their turnover. That's not what an encyclopedia is for. I would strongly advise you to read WP:COI before you go any further. And please do not ignore the big blue banner at the bottom of this talk page, because I have a habit of ignoring people who ignore it.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation: I appreciate the voluntary nature of this place and that's why I contribute to it: it is very difficult for me to figure out how to edit and update this, so thanks for the pointers. I am not wishing to promote any new business (that company died almost 10 years ago) but document a period of history. I'll rein back my ambitions given your concerns though. Thanks again. Boyflea (talk) 08:29, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi

HI please go ahead — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indian159 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Prism Corporation Private Limited

Hi, This is not about listing business information to promote it. its about to provide information about our concern to people when they look for information in Wikipedia just like below pages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Bookstores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharti_Airtel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_(bookstore)

Please do let me know what to do and how.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rnejanthan (talk • contribs) 09:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Did you not read my reply above? Did you (twice) not see the big blue banner at the bottom of this page? Unfortunately, Rnejanthan, like all your other articles, you are mistaking our encyclopedia for a business listing site. Under our policies, that constitutes advertising. Your account is also pending an investigation into your inappropriate use of multiple accounts: User:Prismonline.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

A thought

I'm still considering what I think about the problems with NPP and how to fix them. Ultimately, I think it comes down to encouraging more editors to understand things like how to connect articles together using categories, WikiProjects, links to Commons pages and so on. I would particularly like to discuss with editathon trainers if they can incorporate training with HotCat, the Google Books citation builder and things like that from the beginning. Certainly when I joined Wikipedia I had a good idea of what a Wikipedia article looked like on the outside, but not much idea of what all the templates did.

However, I have one recommendation to make that I think would help. I notice that quite a lot of articles on NPP are by experienced editors. Not all are perfect, but most can at least stand on their own and aren't likely to get deleted. Yet the number of autopatrolled editors who are not admins is not that great - for comparison, it's barely greater than the number of contributors who have made more edits than me.

Would it be a good idea to very selectively start contacting prolific article contributors with a very good record, whether or not they have an interest in becoming an admin, and asking them if they want to register for autopatrolled? Obviously I'm familiar with the cases where longtime trusted editors have come to do something stupid in creating new articles and pages (Michael Hardy, Debbiesw, Neelix, Jaguar etc.), but they're very much in the minority. I applied for autopatrolled and got it yesterday with this in mind. Happy to draft a template letter if you want for this. Blythwood (talk) 17:03, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Blythwood, thank you for your ideas. Anyone can nominate a user for 'autopatrolled' at WP:PERM/A, but they need to do their homework properly first. That means checking almost every creation. They should all be perfect with no issues that anyone could tag. We recently cut the requirement from 50 down to 25 articles, so we are even more careful now. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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BSB Solicitors

Hey Kudpung,

Hope you're well.

You recently deleted the BSB solicitors page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSB_Solicitors.

If in any way possible could help me get this back up? There are major issues with the company being confused with another very similar one: www.bsblaw.co.uk. I was hoping Wikipedia would help everyone differentiate between the two by providing a source of information that is clear and unbiased.

The firm have been involved in some high profile national news cases, and Jon Black - the firms partner is the president of the LCCSA and is constantly being contacted for comments from numerous legal publications.

BSB Solicitors aided Michael Halliday’s extradition from Dubai https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/dec/22/gay-british-man-avoids-extradition-to-dubai.

Intro BSB Solicitors is a London based Law Firm in The UK specialising in criminal law. The firm was formed in 2002 by the current partners Jon Black and Jim Skelsey, who along with Paul Butcher, previously practised at top Legal 500 Criminal Law practices in London. The firm aided Michael Halliday’s extradition from Dubai https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/dec/22/gay-british-man-avoids-extradition-to-dubai

Founders Jonathan Black practised at the bar, before requalifying as a solicitor in 1995. He has Higher Rights of Audience and has appeared before the Court of Appeal, as well as The Queens Bench Division. In his inaugural speech as president of the LCCSA, Jon Black of BSB Law told solicitors and judges: ‘There needs to be an understanding that we (solicitors) are not appearing in the Crown court for the sake of cutting out the bar. But because we need to, we want to and we are capable of doing so. http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/bar-accused-of-taking-cheap-shots-at-solicitor-advocates/5045001.fullarticle

James Skelsey qualified in 1994, he has Higher Rights of Audience and conducts jury trials as well as appearing before the Court of Appeal.

Professional Memberships BSB Solicitors is a member of The Law Society is SRA Regulated and also Criminal Litigation Accredited. BSB Solicitors is recognised as members of the Specialist Fraud Panel and the Very High Costs Cases Panel BSB Solicitors also accept referrals to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. BSB lawyers are affiliated to, and serve on the committees of, the London Criminal Courts Solicitors Association, the Solicitor Advocates Higher Courts Association, Justice and Liberty and The Haldane Society. Awarded a specialist quality mark by the Legal Aid Agency BSB Solicitors authorised to provide representation by the Criminal Defence Service. Lawyers in the firm work for and support organisations such as Release and Lion Heart and Body and Soul and Stop and Search Legal Project

Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtalbot55 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Rtalbot55: Are you connected in any way to BSB Solicitors? We have a policy whereby editors who are paid directly or indirectly (either through contracts, salary, or other vested interests) by a company, or a company engaged to provide services to said company, for the purposes of editing content relating them or their business -- to which they must disclose their relationship. Mkdw^talk 16:08, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Rtalbot55: Hi. Firstly I am amazed that you as a solicitor (and I'll use that word rather than lawyer or attorney, because I happen to be British, and getting on for 50 years ago I did courses in company and business law as part of my first degree), that you appear to refuse to read what you are given, not only the instructions but also the huge blue banner at the foot of this page. Secondly, I used to have a great respect and trust for the specifically British legal profession, but I'm beginning to wonder what's happened to it over the past decades where they now don't even appear to understand basic legal concepts such as copyright, conflict of interest, and even more basically, don't, won't, or can't read our T & C before they start editing our encyclopedia. I am not in charge here (nobody is) but as an adminstrator I am not going to make any concession to the thousands of free hours I have volunteered to Wikipedia to enable your already wealthy solicitors to use Wikipedia to advertise their services. I get three or four requests like this a month from from law firms, and my answer is unfortunately, always 'no'. Another administrator may be more flexible, but if they override my decision that would be divisive and injure the collaborative spirit of our work. Because we have a rather poor performing system or checking new content and some it slips through the net, I'm not interested in what other law firms have on Wikipedi. The high profile cases your legal associates may have worked on do not make any impact with us, because that is part of their routine job, just in the way that however 'popular' a journalist may be, we don't include his or her biography unless he/she has won a Pulitzer Prize, or their overlall work has been subject to a dedicated documentary about them, as opposed to an issue they have reported on. So with all due respect, there is nothing I am able do to help you get an article up on Wikipedia. If one of your legal associates has been knighted, that's another thing, and even then, there's no guarantee. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Need your guidance please with w:th:ป๊าสั่ง ย่าสอน

Hi, Kudpung, I am writing you concerning an article I've created in Thai Wikipedia Page called ป๊าสั่ง ย่าสอน that was requested to be deleted by admin user:Sry85. Greekadoniz told me of your kind gesture and supported him when his first article Art Supawatt Purdy was facing deletion. He said you took an extra step, and made extra effort (more than any others) and found major evidence supporting the notability of Art Supawatt Purdy by simply go to the Thai Wikipedia Page. So here I am asking you to please kindly look over this article for me to see if it really didnt meet WP:ORG and if so what can I do to improve it to meet the WP:ORG. I, like Greekadoniz, am new to the world of Wikipedia, but I want to learn & be a good editor one day to help keeping Wikipedia great. Thank you in advance for your time and your help.พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

In addition, may I please seek some advice concerning Sry85? He deleted another one of the article I've created recently, so I asked him to give me a chance to make it better by giving me some guidance, he refused and told me to go find the info myself and claim he has over 60,000 articles to look after and just dont have the time. I mean he told me his reason, but I thought why does he think that he's always correct. Why didnt he nominate that article for deletion and give me a chance to correct it or let others review it, discuss it, and add to it. He also have talked to me sarcastically and not very hospitable in the past (I've attached example of such conversation below) Many users have complained about him and his GOD-Like attitude. His action discourage me and I'm sure many other people from trying to make an efforts on Wikipedia. I understand that he probably truly does not have the time to educate everyone. He's probably a volunteer who has a day job like me and many others. So can you please tell me if this is an acceptable behavior as an admin? My intention here is not to create problems, or causing problems. I simply just want to have a better understanding of how everything works and how it should be so I can act accordingly. Again , thank you for your time and effort, I truly appreciate it.

[ME: ถ้าจะขอความกรุณาให้ท่านช่วยชี้แนะสักนิดได้ไหมคะ คือดิฉันอยากรู้วิธีการอ้างอิงจากคลิปรายการทีวีที่อยู่ใน YouTube จะต้องเขียนอย่างไรคะ ขอบคุณล่วงหน้าค่ะพระยาไทยบันเทิง (พูดคุย) 20:40, 27 กรกฎาคม 2559 (ICT)

HIM: ยังไงถ้าเข้าใจแล้ว ก็ลองศึกษาดูการอ้างอิงเอาเองนะครับ มีอยู่แล้ว การอ้างอิงจากรายการทีวีตามแบบวิชาการ ผมโพสต์ไปอาจจะไม่น่าเชื่อถือ อาจไม่ได้ถูกต้อง ตามที่คุณเข้าใจ ขอบคุณครับ--Sry85 (พูดคุย) 11:25, 28 กรกฎาคม 2559 (ICT)

ME: จำเป็นต้องตอบ กระแนะกระแหนด้วยเหรอคะ ดิฉันไม่เคยว่าคุณไม่น่าเชื่อถือ เพียงอยากให้คุณเป็นตัวอย่างที่ดีให้กับผู้ใช้ใหม่ๆอย่างดิฉัน วิกิพีเดียประเทศไทยจะได้มีแต่ผู้ใช้ที่มีประสิทธิภาพแล้วคุณก็จะ ได้ไม่ทำงานหนักเหมือนปัจจุบัน ลองหยุดสักนิดแล้วใช้ความคิดแบบผู้ใหญ่คิดดูสิคะดิฉันพูดมีเหตุผล มีความต้องการให้วิกิพีเดียไทยแลนด์เจริญรุ่งเรือง เต็มไปด้วบทความที่ดี พระยาไทยบันเทิง (พูดคุย) 13:03, 3 สิงหาคม 2559 (ICT)''

ME: ค้าแต่งตั้งให้คุณเป็นแอดมิน มีหน้าที่ 'เก็บกวาด' บทความ แต่ที่ฉันยกย่องให้คุณเป็นคุณครู ขอคำปรึกษาแนะนำ แต่คุณกลับตอบ กลับมาเหมือนเป็นเพียงแค่คนที่มีหน้าที่ 'เก็บกวาด' ถ้าคุณไม่เต็มใจ ไม่มีความสุขกับหน้าที่นี้ ก็โยนไม้กวาดให้คนอื่นเขาไปเถอะค่ะ เพื่อเค้าจะได้ช่วยพัฒนาวิกิพีเดียไทยแลนด์ ให้มีทั้งบทความที่ดี และผู้ใช้ที่เป็นคนดี มีน้ำใจพระยาไทยบันเทิง (พูดคุย) 13:27, 3 สิงหาคม 2559 (ICT)

HIM: ถ้าคุณไม่เชื่อผม แล้วคุณจะถามผมทำไมละครับ มาให้ผมเป็นครูทำไม เป็นใคร ใครจะอยากตอบล่ะครับ ถ้าคุณอยากจะขอให้ใครช่วยอะไร คุณใช้คำพูดดี ๆ สิครับ พูดจาอย่างนี้ใครอยากจะช่วยครับ คนจะมีน้ำใจกับคุณที่ทำดีครับ ไม่ใช่มาพูดจาวิจารณ์ โน่น นี่ ใครจะช่วย ตอนนี้ผมไม่ช่วยนะครับ ไปหาเอาเองมาก่อน วิธีของผมคือไปหาเอาเองครับ ไม่ประเคนครับ เรื่องง่าย ๆ –Sry85 (พูดคุย) 15:01, 3 สิงหาคม 2559 (ICT)''''']

พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 20:49, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi พระยาไทยบันเทิง. I understand your concerns but this concerns issues on the Thai Wkipedia. All Wikipedias are totally independent of each other and there is nothing we can do here on the English Wikipedia about the actions of a user on another Wikipedia. I suggest you contact an administrator of the Thai Wikipedia or raise an issue on the Thai Wikipedia at its equivalent of WP:ANI. I'm really sorry that I am unable to be of more help. โชคดีครับ Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so so much, that piece of information helps a lot. At least now I know where to get a second openion. Like I said I dont want trouble, but if Sry85 see that I started a conversation there about him or about his action, do u think thats like going over his head? What would be your advice? I dont want to offend anyone, but I also want to learn about Wikipedia and my rights as the user. THnak you again for such swift response.พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 01:52, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

HI, Greekadoniz, พระยาไทยบันเทิง, I am not Thai and I do not read Thai fluently enough to read the details you have posted above, and in any case, as I have stated, it's not a concern of us here at en.Wiki, so if you are sure you have a genuine cause for concern, it won't be going over his head. You will just need to report the problem at the Thai Wkipedia equivalent of ANI. Do note that if you are using two accounts on Wikipdia, you must link them to each other. If you do not , you may risk being blocked for sockpuppetry. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

He is my boyfriend, we are helping each other on the weekend to learn how to do this together when we have time. I guess he didnt sign off, and I was so excited to hear from you that i didnt even look. lol So, its best for us to link the account if we sometimes work together with research and sharing information? Thank you for your understanding.พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 03:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Greekadoniz, พระยาไทยบันเทิง He did sign off, then changed the signature again. You must be very careful because that kind of thing can cause all your accounts to be blocked and you won't even be able to create a new one. Wikipedia editors are not allowed to share their accounts and work as a team.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the warning. We have good intention in our hearts to learn and create quality and reliable articles. Linking the account would be great, I didn't know there's such an options. I will look into it at once. I would hate to see our efforts gone to waste after trying so hard to learn to be a good editor lol Any advice on how to link the accounts please? if not, ill find the way. Again, thank you. พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 04:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Look at my user page for ideas how to link your accounts. Bear in mind that our admins do not hold much credence for the 'little brother', little sister, 'girl friend', 'boyfriend' explanations. I'm sorry, but we're very strict here. And my advice to you is to probably concentrate your efforts on your Thai Wikipedia.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

THank you so much for your advise, I really really appreciate it...in a way, I'm so glad I made the mistake today so you can shine a light on something both of us are ignorant of. My bf asked me to help him out back in June when he was frustrated that he couldn't find enough references to support an article he was writing about his childhood idol, so he ask me to help because he thought it's his English that he couldn't seem to get his message across. So we made this into a project that we can do together and spend time together when we have time. It may be time consuming sometimes to do the research but we love the challange. We thought not only we're enjoying doing it, but we also could help to create something meaningful in the process. But clearly we had no idea, we almost cause ourselves and may be others in the community problems.

You have my word I will study what you did in your user page and do as you advice next weekend. I will not edt when im over here anymore now that I know it's not a good thing. To be honest, I think I've had enough fun with this lol... i mean...I dont wanna continue proving my point with the Thai admin. But if your admin found us out, i guess Ill try my best to verify myself and tell the truth, and hopefully he would be as understanding as you. I will for sure inform ohter people about this lesson I learned today. Im sure we not the only one who had no idea! ...khob khun ka khun kru :) พระยาไทยบันเทิง (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2016 (UTC)