User talk:Kubura/Archive8

Archive 1 - Edits on "SC language"
Archive 2 - Srijem issues
Archive 3 - W.Herzog, Stjepan and Montenegro issues
Archive 4 - Cro-Ser questions, very interesting discussion, many topic being opened/touched/resolved
Archive 5 - Some Doclea and Dalmatia issues
Archive 6 - Farsi, Diego, NHL, Stjepan
Archive 7 - Republic of Dubrovnik, Haydn, various

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More Hrvati

Here are some Croats that should be listed on Wikipedia as such. Peter Coe, Laura La Plate, Walter Kray, John Miljan and Michael Lah. Jagoda 1 03:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on the talk page

Responded on my talkpage.--Isotope23 13:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Vandalism on the talk page

Hi, Isotope23.
There's a problem with user:Giovanni Giove.
On the talk page of the article Republic of Dubrovnik, he removed [1] the warning text about his behaviour on article page.
The warning is made in order to make him change his behaviour.
His behaviour is listed in the section "Shtokavian" [2].
In that very sections is a list of his POV's (he gave no background for his "original work"; I've covered my contributions with references - that makes his contribution a POV), which prooved his ignoring of the data and links to academical institutions given on the talk page (in the sections above).
The warning about his behaviour (on the talk page) should stay (multiple reverts).
He should have a reminder that he's working against the rules.
Maybe the matter of the article isn't your "territory", but the admin's reaction is needed on the talk page. Because... he's now removing the evidence of his behaviour. Kubura 12:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is that we are beyond any possible limit. Kubura has became a serious problem. He just spread his own ideas, doing vandalism on well supported articles. His target is to support his nationalistic ideas without proper refernceahould. He accuse me to "hate" Croatia and oter... There is a difference between him and me. I my edits are supported, Kubura's edit no. He open agin and again, dispuutes already discussed and closed. A small example.... to change "Repulic of Ragusa" into "Republic of Dubrovnik". The above comments are (of course) false. Kubura is well known to several admins, like a fanatic. I've no probelm if my edits will be put under control: I've nothing to hide. I sholuld not tell the same aout Kubura. I want to pint out that Kubura was NEVER able to show that my edits are wrong, all he can do is to accuse that "I want to hide the word'Croatia'". But he can't support this claim. Best regards--Giovanni Giove 13:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• Have you considered trying some form of dispute resolution? Maybe mediation or a 3rd opinion? The text on the talkpage regarding Giovanni Giove (talk · contribs) doesn't really belong on an article talkpage, it belongs in a user request for comment or Admin noticeboard report.--Isotope23 13:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It'll obviously go to that, I'm afraid. But, RfC, DR, RFM, 3O needs preparation.
In the meantime, Giovanni Giove has again removed the warning, as well as remarks about his behaviour on the article [3].
The comment was "That not the place for the personal attacks of a vandal.". Has he mentioned you his block log?
Those remarks were important, because they were, in fact, a material for RfC, DR, RfM, 3O. Kubura 06:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

If it is material for a future RFC/ANI report etc it would be better to post it at User:Kubura/temp than at the article talkpage.--Isotope23 13:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Giovanni Giove AGAIN removed the section we've talked about. See the difference between revisions [4]. That's fourth or fifth time he removed the content.
I've restored the deleted section.
If you order me to move it to my temp subpage, OK, I'll do it.
Still, I'm not requesting RfC or similar. More preparation is needed. That's why I'd keep that section. I have to point out the matters where users disagree in the article. That's why we have talk page, to avoid "fights" and editwars on the article.
And, that's why I've turned to contribute more on talk page and less on the article. But, that seems invain. I'm "barking on the moon" (it seems that nobody reads the text and references on the talk page, while G.Giove calmly pushes his fixations on the article, neglecting the critics and arguments given on the talk page, and getting more impudent with his contributions (language questions, italianized nameforms where no such is in use in science...).
On the other hand, Giovanni Giove (previously) made a section "Vandalism of Kubura". But, I haven't moved it, neither I intend to do so. Let it remain as a proof. For others to see how Giovanni Giove proofs his claims, and whome he names as vandal. I'm not childishly deleting the criticism pointed against me.
On the other hand, it's easy for G.Giove to name someone as vandal (with no proofs and references why).
But, when someone criticizes him (with references that show where he did something wrong; explanations and counterargumets are on the talk page), then he childishly removes the section.
Why can't he live with the critics on his behaviour?
After deletion of content he dislikes in the article, now he turned to delete the content of the talk page.
Shall we allow him to deny the purpose of the talk page: talk, discussion, arguments...? Kubura 19:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to order you to do anything, but as I said, that whole section belongs in an RFC... article talkpages are not the place to air grievances against other editors.--Isotope23 19:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, agreed. Kubura 20:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

History of Serbia

Imam jedan maleni revert ratić koji će pretpostavljam i tebe zanimati ! Na tekstu History of Serbia ratujem s tipom koji postavlja sljedeći tekst o devedesetim godinama XX stoljeća:

"Despite the civil wars in neighboring Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia remained peaceful until 1998, although part of its leadership and institutions supported Bosnian and Croatian Serbs who were one of the sides in these wars by arming and directing their troops."

Ja na mjesto njega stavljam ovo:

"During break-up of Yugoslavia the position of the Serbian government was that any region of the other republics in which Serbs were a majority had to be be annexed to Serbia (or new Yugoslavia). On the other hand, in regions region of Serbia where another nation was in the majority, those regions had to stay inside Serbia on the grounds that they were part of Serbia's historical territory. This Serbia position has created 7 war years.

During Croatian War of Independence Serb forces which has wanted to create border on line Virovitica - Karlobag [1]has been first stoped and then defeated in 1995. War in Bosnia and Herzegovina has finished much better for Serbia because Serb soldiers which has recieved wages and other help from home country has taken half of state. During this conquest Serb forces has make genocide and other similar crimes for which Republika Srpska (name of territory taken by Serbs during war) has been declared guilty[2]. Serbia on other side has been declared guilty on International Court of Justice for not stoping this crimes [3]. Serbia home territory has been peacefull in time of this wars although population has been living in poorer and poorer situation because of sanctions and need of Serbia to finance soldiers in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina."

Ukratko želim usera Panonian potjerati u 3 reverta rule, a to ne mogu sam, pretpostavljam da ćeš se složiti kako je moj tekst istinitiji od njegovog i da tekst na wikipediji treba pisati o odgovornosti Srbije za ratove. Rjecina 22:55, 2 June 2007 (CET)

Hi, Rjecina.
I know for that.
I'll tell you more later. Još ću ti tega reć posli.
Be aware that some people here don't have social life, and we don't have to ruin our social lives because of some obsessive persons who want to live in their fake worlds. Their whole life is a lie.
As you've seen, some of them work together. By getting into war with them, you're giving the sense to their senseless and empty lives.
Don't waste your life on the waste. We have lives, they have fixations. Educated medical personnel 'll deal with them, very soon. Kubura 01:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Želim ti reći, ako tribaš bilo kakvu pomoć, samo javi. onaj talijan uvik pisa gluposti protiv Hrvatske--vrlo patetično. pozdrav.--Jesuislafete 05:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

DIREKTOR 20:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)== Kako moreš bit protiv Eu-a? ==

O Vlajin

Nisi valjda vlaj pa da ti je falši osjećaj "nezavisnosti" (jer hrvatska je već sada IZNIMNO zavisna o EU-u) važniji od ekonomskog napretka! Ni jednoj državnoj ekonomiji u svijetu nije škodia EU!, cili svit (npr. Turska ;)) se tuče za uć, jedino naši vlaji i hercegovci nešto pizde! Ne razumin takve ljude... DIREKTOR —Preceding unsigned comment added by DIREKTOR (talk • contribs) 22:55, 10 June 2007

Čoviče, to šta si ti sad gori napisa je govor mržnje!
Mržnja prima ljudima iz Zagore i Hercegovine.
Pusti ti te priče "cili svit se tuče" za bit tamo. To se samo koljedu velike glavnice za širit tržišće.
Drugo, rabiš ružne riči, a s time ne možeš po wikici.
Dalje, Wikipedija nije mjesto propagande niti širenja/nametanja svojih političkih stavova inim suradnicima.
Meni nešto govoriš zbog toga šta san protiv ulazka Hrvatske u EU i o meni kao "usamljenom slučaju"? Kao, "samo vlaji i hercegovci" su takvi?
Čoviče, ja mogu reć na TV taj svoj stav i mogu prošetat bilo kojim hrvatskim gradom i selom i bilo kojoj osobi to reć izravno, bez da će ta osoba ikad više prikinit odnose sa mnom ili da mi štagod opsuje.
A ti objavi na TV svoje stavove o "obnovi Jugoslavije", "obnovi hrvatsko-srpskog" (di ti živiš, koji su ga ljudi ikad tako zvali, osin onih jugounitarističkih antihrvatskih komunista koji su izmislili takvo ime) i da su pristaša "dobre, stare Jugoslavije" i da ti si se izjasnia da ti je materinji jezik t.zv. "srpskohrvatski" i posli se prošeći igdi po Hrvatskoj ili itkojoj osobi u Hrvatskoj to reci izravno (a posebice probaj to u Splitu!). A da ti ne govorin o [5]. "Jugoslavenski građanski ratovi"/Yugoslav Civil Wars?? Or your "stories" about incomprehensible dialects of Croatian language [6]? How do you think that, through history, unliterrate Croat people have understood each other on the fish, fruit and vegetable market? E.g. in Split, Omiš, Trogir, Klis, Dubrovnik, Delnice, Gospić, Bjelovar? These were all places where the speakers of various Croat dialects met, and they never had problems in communication.
Vratit ću se na EU. Stoga ti neću ti pričat i objašnjavat nepovoljne i ponižavajuće gospodarstvene ugovore sklopljenih između Hrvatske i EU i koliko je RH "skinila hlače" i "nag*zila se" te poslušništvo koje se pokaziva od strane određenih krugova prema toj gospodarskom udruženju. Čoviče, poslovanje sa velikim i moćnim imenom je jedno, ali loš ugovor je loš ugovor, loš posal je loš posal. Ne možemo mi, mala i siromašna zemlja izdržavati bogatune. Da oni na račun nas širidu svoje prinabrekle proizvodnje i industrije, a mi gasimo ono malo svojega šta je nekako životarilo, da bidu oni mogli živit. Ne hvala!
Znan ja dobro koje MOGU biti koristi od tih udruženja, i KADA se TEK može imati koristi od njih (to ne ide nikako automatski!!!). U protivnom, ta udruženja proizvode još veće probleme i još više pojačavaju društvene i gospodarske suprotnosti! Neće ti nitko vanjski omogućit napridak, moramo se mi sami sredit iznutra, i radit za sebe, a ne za drugega, koji ne zna šta će sa svojin silnin imutkom, dok se mi kao pasi lutalice mislimo svaki dan šta ćemo za ist... Zato šta se za udovoljit gramzivcima iz inozemstva ubilo ono zdravog domaćega da bi se moglo reć kako smo se mi otvorili svijetu (a oni su nami eto dopustili izvest dvi vriće sirovina (u pola cine), koje oni posli 50 puta skuplje priprodadu), da ne govorin o odricanjima o suverenitetu u gospodarskom pojasu ili o napadima na hrv. akcije "Kupujmo hrvatsko!" (kao eko.nacionalizam, a ti isti kritičari to isto činidu za svoju zemlju, onda za to nima veze).
Što se tiče hrvatskog jezika, evo, ovako ti malo na znanje, iz proglasa na letku Narodnooslobodilačkog odbora Splita iz sredine travnja 1942.:
"Rodoljubi! Hrvatski Split je 15. IV opet ispoljio svoju mržnju prema fašističkim okupatorima. Fašisti opet spremaju 21. IV paradu sa pojačanim terorom. Neka ih opet dočekaju prazne ulice... Ne vješajte zastave. Đaci! Nemojte ići taj dan u školu. Radnici, namještenici! Ma koliko vas silili da idete u njihove povorke, ne prisustvujte, kao ni njihovim zborovima po radionama... Govorimo i pišimo samo hrvatski. Ne saobraćajte sa fašističkim vlastima." (Izvor: "Kronologija Splita 1941.-1945.", IHRPD, Split, 1979.).
Još jedan razlog mom protivljenju ulasku u EU. Ja ne želim da moja jedina (niman druge) domovina pristupi takvoj organizaciji/asocijaciji, štaviše dati suverenitet svoje domovine organizaciji koja NIJE osudila niti kaznila talijanske imperijalističke i ekspanzionističke izjave okrenute protiv Hrvatske i Hrvata, i to izjave dane od osoba koje su u samom talijanskom državnom vrhu. Ja se takvoj organizaciji ne dajem u ruke. Da ti ne govorim da dužnosnici iz takve organizacije šalju poruke okrenute protiv hrvatskog jezika, odnosno njegovu zatiranju i nasilnom uklapanju u nekakvi frankeštajn-jezik. Kubura 02:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

To sto se Hrvatska nag*zila je krivica naših vrlih političara, a ne EU. Složit ćeš se da je normalno da talijanski i drugi političari g*ze Hrvatsku kada im ona to dopušta. Kakvo je tvoje mišljenje o NATO (pretpostavljam da moje znaš). Sad bi te već mogao pitat u kojoj si firmi dežuran pošto nam se smjene trenutačno poklapaju :))—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjecina (talk • contribs) 03:22, 13 June 2007

Da je još Juga, nije morala bit socijalistička, al da je još Juga, mi bi bili ekonomski strah i trepet regije, bili bi nešto! Sad, jebiga, sad smo siromašna ekonomska kolonija Njemaca (i Taljana) i jedina nam je nada se udružit s njima da postanemo barem približno ravnopravni. Ma znam, Hrvatski je moj jezik al pogledaj primjer: ja san sad u Zagrebu, i ja ti obećajen: ne razumin jednu rič pravih Zagoraca, a Srbe na primjer kužin skroz, a ka drugi su jezik. Ja mislin da mi svi govorimo različitin dijalektima istega jezika. Al da nas politika razdvaja. To nisan samo ja, pa to svako normalan vidi, samo je rat svima preblizu. (nije to samo moje mišljenje, ima i lingvista puno). Nisan neki Srboljub, razbili su nam po države, al ja samo govorin da bi bilo bolje da ni bilo rata. Nisu oni krivi, ja mislin, nego Slobo i Televizija Beograd. Šta se tiče Vlaja, zezan se, dobri su oni, al često ih vodi ideologija a ne realna dobrobit države (nemisle glavon), a i ima ih stvarno puno u Splitu (Zagrepčaninu je Splićanin = vlaj i hercegovac, eto, a to nije dobro, drugačiji su pravi Spličani, pogledaj Velo Misto). Sad jebiga, sad nema Juge i sad moramo u EU jer smo samostalno ništa (ka i Srbi), pitaj bilo kojega ekonomista, reč će ti: ekonomija naše države je bila razvijana da bude u skladu sa ostalin federalnim jedinicama, samostalno smo 0. Gledaj jednu stvar: drugu su Jugu praktički stvorili Hrvati (ko se prvi diga proti NDH?, nisu Srbi, nene! -> First Sisak Partisan Brigade) Cili Hajduk i doslovno 1/3 Splita je išlo u Partizane. Šta ti misliš zašto su Srbi popizdili u devedesetima? Zato jer smo mi bili glavni u Jugi. Bili smo najrazvijenija država a oni su bili sirovine, Zagreb je ima više industrije nego Beograd, a Split je ima Mediteranske igre. Jeli znaš da je po Splita (škver, cementara, željezara, Jugovinil, Lora, Luka, sjeverna luka, terminal, željezica, bazeni, POLJUD, Resnik, Riva-uređena (na normalan način), Marjan-uređen skroz, GRIPE itd...) izgrađeno iz FEDERALNE blagajne. Niko nije Hrvatima govoria šta da govore ni di da idu u crkvu, imali su plaće i zaposlenost kakvih neće imat još 20 godina i imali su osigurano sutra. A šta se ti čudiš šta nas gu*e Njemci i Taljani? pa ko je nas pomaga za vrime rata? Danke Dojčland itd... Šta misliš da su oni to radili iz dobrote svojega srca? sad im bankari pivaju Danke Kroacijen... I šta je najgore, sad im se moramo pridružit jer će nas inaće tako nagu*it da nećemo znat di oni staju a mi počinjemo! ;D , pa izabra ti SDP ili HČSP, biće isto, viruj mi, imaju oni previše šoldi, a mi smo prejadni i premali. Meni je za NATO skroz svejedno. DIREKTOR 20:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Svaka ti cast Direktore, ovo sta si reka je prava istina koju niko je ne moze srozit. A sve ostale price su samo vapaji gubitnika, koji se ne mogu pomirit sa istinom. Zivio, Cheers! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.110.10 (talk) 22:48, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Sanjaš, Direktore. Ti govori za sebe.
Ne moramo ić u EU. Šta mi dobivamo tim ulaskom? Neulaskom u EU se ne moramo povinjivat njihovim pravilima. Jednom kad uđeš, NEMA VIŠE NAZAD!!! To ti je isto kao teške droge. Samozavaravanje, naizgled sve vidiš lipo, a u stvari propadaš i raspiškavaš imovinu.
Čoviče, tebi mora bit jasno da ti je dovoljan obrok i krov nad glavon. A ne živit u nekakven lažnen sjaju, bogatstvu koje zapravo uopće nije tvoje, jer si dužan za deset naraštaja unaprid.
Dovoljno je reć: "Ne dan p*zde". A doduše, ima i onih koje su za najlonke davale... Zar ćemo se spuštat na njihovu razinu?
Ajmo sad na "bivše savezne" teme.
Ja ti srpski jezik baš i ne razumin (osim u dilu di se slaže sa hrvatskin). Triba uzet ričnik za privest one njihove riči iz turskog, grčkog i romskog.
Direktor, tko je punia saveznu blagajnu? Možda turistički posjeti Čačku ili Mehmećehinoj kasabi? A tko je dava za nerazvijene republike (i tko je bia nerazvijen i prima te pineze)? Bit ćedu oni davali za izgradnju cesta po Zagori ili elektrifikaciju Zagorja (dan-danas ima sela bez struje!). Sjeverna i južna Hrvatska su se spojile auto-cestom kralja Tomislava koja je sagrađena za hrvatske samostalnosti, ne za bivše države (a nisu nan auto-cestu tribali gradit stranci, mi smo to mogli sami. Glavno da nam je ugašena gomila građevinskih poduzeća, kako bidu bidni strančići mogli živit, njima za namistit faturetu od gradnje cesta). Znaš li ti da je spominjati izgradnju te ceste se smatralo nacionalističkim, što je u Jugoslaviji bila teška optužba? Inače, novci koji su se skupljali (zakonskim putem) '70-ih za izgradnju auto-ceste kralja Tomislava, karađorđevskom sječom su najedanput nestali. Svako zapitkivanje za te novce ti je nosilo probleme i optužbe za nacionalizam. Govorilo se da su ti novci završili u izgradnji pruge Beograd-Bar (ne za autocestu Beograd-Niš, koja, gle, nije bila "nacionalistička").
Današnja velika telekomunikacijska podgradnja i nadgradnja je napravljena za hrvatske samostalnosti, ne za vrime Jugoslavije (onda smo po ulaganjima u telekomunikacije bili drugi najzadnji na svitu, jedino isprid Tanzanije!). Hrvatska je danas među najtelekomunikaniziranim zemljama u Europi; u pojedinim stvarima smo u razini zapadnih zemalja.
Mi bili glavni u bivšoj državi? Je l' ti to koga zaj*š ovdi? Priče o industrijama... O čemu ti govoriš? Di si ti živia i tvoji zadnjih 40 godina? Na Marsu? Kubura 13:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

"Ti-kom" misliš? ma daj, to je sve za švabe stari moj, ne za nas. Oli ti misliš da nas samostalne oni neće crpit ka krelce? ma daj pogledaj kroz prozor i vidit ćeš "Ti-kom" relamu. Nije to Hrvatsko. Kad god digneš slušalicu daješ šolde švabama. Kad uđemo u EU naši trgovački intetresi će biti zaštićeni, al to neznaš? OVAKO ĆE NAS SAMO JOŠ VIŠE GU*IT. Jeli znaš da nije bilo rata da bi A1 bila gotova 1996? i to bez zaduživanja i plaćanja cestarine (ka na Autocesti Bratstva i Jedinstva). Jesmo mi davali njiman za njihove jadne pruge, al i dok smo im davali opet nam je bilo bolje nego sad kad im nedajemo jer smo sad razdvojeni totalno. Uostalom, kad smo bili u federaciji nama je bilo u interesu da i oni budu šta razvijeniji. Ništa nisi reka za sve ono šta su izgradili iz federalne blagajne samo u Splitu. pa grad je bia nula prije Juge ima je 50 000 stanovnika i ništa industrije. 1991 je bia moderni veliki grad. Nemoš reć da ogromni dio love nije iša u Hrvatsku. Pa Srbi su i pop*zdili zato jer smo mi bili face. Al neznaš da su većina premijera federalne vlade bili Hrvati. Pa i Tito je Hrvat, kvragu. Nemoš reć da nam je bilo lošije nego sad i da smo bili diskriminirani, pa to svako zna da nije. Imali smo minimalnu nezaposlenost, puno veći turizam (pogledaj brojeve), i puno veći bruto domaći proizvod, veći od Srba. Mislin, to su činjenice. Nije to stara (Kraljevina) Juga kvragu! DIREKTOR 13:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Kad uđeš unutra, onda si do kraja njihov.
A što se tiče nas, to je stvar odlučnosti političara. Ona prva garnitura samostlane hrvatske vlaasti je samo zavlačila i unedogled je otezala sa izgradnjom auto-ceste (tupani su je tili izgradit kroz BiH i to do Hercegovine, da bidu mogli doć do kuće lakše... to što bi nas nasrid ceste mogli zaj*bavat oni iz BiH). Oli se ne sićaš kako su prid izbore, koje su izgubili, dotrali na brzinu mehanizaciju i govorili "Evo gradimo autocestu".
U drugoj garnituri se našla skupina odlučnijih (nisu svi bili odlučni, štaviše, bilo je teških gnjilavaca) i autocesta se napravila.
O interesima? Čitaš li ti šta se Slovenci žalidu šta trpidu? A šta je Portugal mora plaćat kazne, a velike zemlje nisu? Mi od 4 mil ćemo izlaktat šta Poljska od 40 mil nije mogla??
Što se tiče "tko je bia "Hrvat". Najagilniji izvršitelji od UDBE su bili Hrvati (janjičari)... ali prema Hrvatima. Oni su karijeru gradili na ubijanju i uništavanju života Hrvata... a konce su vukli iz srpskih hegemonističkih krugova. To da ti bude jasno.
"...da i oni budu šta razvijeniji"... Je, i da se ulaže u njihova sela, a u naša ne, pa su naši morali iseljavat vanka. I onda kad su ti naši izvanka slali devize, onda su po lupešken službenen tečaju (na našu šćetu) minjane u dinare. A znaš di je razlika išla?
Ma odakle saveznoj blagajni novci? Bit će možda iz autističnih svinjarskih palanaka od znaš odakle? O čemu ti pričaš? Gospodarski snažni subjekti su bili samo u Hrvatskoj i Sloveniji (uz neke u Vojvodini).
Da ti ne rastežen... Imaš toliko ekonomske literature o tome, da ne triba trošit riči. Da je nama bilo tako dobro, ne bismo mi gledali ni razdružit se.
Čoviče, shvati da se zadnje desetljeće bivša SFRJ crvala iznutra. Je li ti znaš koliko je bilo štrajkova, stečaja, likvidacija? Znaš li ti što je hiperinflacija činila? Kubura 14:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ako se sićaš, Marković (još jedan Hrvat) je sredia inflaciju. Ma čekaj, nemoš reč da je sad bolje nego u Jugi, pa statistike i činjenice govore proti tebe. opet mi nisi ništa reka, ako je bilo tako loše kako to da je Split praktički cili izgrađen u Jugi? Gledaj, nekažen ja da je Juga bila sjajna, ne kažen da je tribala bit socijalistička, nekažen da je tribala bit ni federacija, samo kažen da smo se morali držat skupa jer smo jedni drugima tržište, sad će nas ovako gu*it pojedinačno. Pogledaj šta rade bidnim Srbima :) sad će im ostat samo Beogradski Pašaluk ! (čujen da su im i Tokijo uzeli ;) ) Odlučnost! ma daj nisi valjda toliko naivan da misliš da je to do "odlučnosti". Ti misliš da Sanader i pokojni Račan nebi od*ebali švabe da mogu? nema ti tega više, moraš gledat realno, onaj ko ima lovu diktira, a švabe imaju 3. svjetsku ekonomiju. Mi bi sad bez njih bili ekonomska ruševina još veća, isto ka šta bi Južna Amerika bila ruševina bez SAD-a. Nije to lipo al tako je. Jesi čua šta je Mesić reka: sad nije moguće, da svi mi to oćemo, da se ponovo stvori Juga (nisan ja u iluziji) jer SVJETSKE SILE to nebi dopustile. Lipše im je ovako kad smo jadni, a boli njih briga za naše razmirice, "neka se kolju, mi čemo inkesirat" e tako je to, a ti meni govoriš o nekoj pruzi i o 2% manjoj deviznoj rati... Šta je Austrija na primjer, šta nam je sad bog, bila Jugi? čik na cesti od 5 miljona ljudi. DIREKTOR 18:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

LOL (šta je je). Ma dobro, al opet mi nisi reka kako to da su nam izgradili Split (već sam ti sve nabroja)? To je jedno, a drugo, nisan ja neinformiran, neznan ja šta si to čita, al je činjenica da je SR Hrvatska imala puno bolje ekonomske statistike. To ti je statistika, nemoš protiv matematike, pogledaj malo 1) bruto domaći proizvod, 2) brojeve turista, 3) brojeve nezaposlenih. To je i logično jer smo bili dio 6 puta veće i ekonomski jače države. Ma gledaj ja negovorim o dobronamjernosti, ja govorim o tome da bi i njima bilo draže (više bi love nakesali) da je Hrvatska ekonomski samodostatna, to ti govorin (nije ni jedan od njih dobronamjeran). DIREKTOR 14:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Giacomo Micaglia/Jakov Mikalja

If this is going to be an uncontentious move, just request an unprotection at WP:RFP. If this is likely to be controversial, I'd suggest starting a rename discussion on the page and if there is consensus, request the unprotection at WP:RFP with a link to the consensus discussion.--Isotope23 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kubura. Regarding whether anon user was me, answer is no. I never write as anon, and the style was a little sharper than mine (you've noticed that I never use harsh words, although some definitely deserve that). BR, --Plantago 12:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kubura, to avoid misunderstanding, my last addition - "Did you change any article about Tzar Dusan's law, from Servian to Serbo-Croatian? No? Why? Please do it and stop playing here." - was to G.G., not you :-) --Plantago 13:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Zadar

Imam problema s onim iredentistom Đovom, pokušao sam editirati objektivne podatke za Zadar a on briše moje izvore i edite i još mi je priljepio da sam sock puppet od neke banirane Afrike Paprike... pošto nisam pretpostavljam da neću imati problema, ali bi ipak volio znati kako skinuti etiketu, nisam još skužio sve cake. Zenanarh 12:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Znam da ti imas dosta problema sa Dovom, ali molim te, pomozi nas koliko god mozes na stranici o Zadru. Bog i Hrvati. --Jesuislafete 02:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Treba mi savjet. Namjeravam pobiti kompletnu povijest Zadra koja je editirana od strane... znaš već koga, a trenutačno je spika u RFC o imenu grada. Da li da pričekam dok se to riši ili da pičim odma dalje. Problem je što je pitanje imena povezano s poviješću i ako me gnom navede da se odma zapetljavam u povijest nastat će kaos, morat ću preskakati, a bilo bi bolje ići po redu jer bi mu već nakon 16. st. bila zavezana usta... ustvari trajat će sto godina... dok se neupućenima ne prikaže stvarno stanje stvari s gomilom teksta i izvora. Usput, oprosti što nisam uskočio u vlakić i opalio gnoma isto ka i ti na njegovoj stranici, nisam imao vremena tih dana...Zenanarh 13:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Da, ali me zanima kao će se to reflektirati na RFC. Da li sam time ugrozio RFC? DarkFalls je postavio RFC za ime grada i za posjedovanje (occupation) grada od strane Hrvata ili Talijana. A to je ustvari kompletna povijest po meni. Sve proizlazi iz toga. Čini mi se da je pisalo u pravilima da se ne dira u članak dok to traje.

It cost you a lot of energy but now his POV companion can find some other hobby... bycycle maybe or fishing. Cheers Zenanarh 17:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Galician

Thanks for letting me know you have no idea about lingustic issues, if you read the article about Galician-Portuguese, you can see that that language was divided in two (Portuguese and Galician) from the middle age on. And it is not the same situation, because there are no places where you can find that a current document is writen in Galician-Portuguese or that there are films in that language, for instance. Anyway, you can find categories in Spanish wikipedia like Writen in Galician-Portuguese which are inside of categories like Writers in Galician and Writers in Portuguese. But no one consideres Galician or Portuguese as an insult in Portugal or Galicia, it's like if I feel upset when some one call me latin or something like that. But well, as you made me know too, you do not care about encyclopaedic information, but political things. If you want those categories to be recategorised, you can put that request in places like that [7] and [8] and of course you have to categorise the films which are in only in Serbo-Croatian language, because that's the reason why that category exists. Gaudio 19:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

this user is a vandal! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.42.187.252 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 26 June 2007

Hi!

Hi Kubura!

Sorry, but I didn’t read until today anything on my talk-page. I saw today your comment. I was actually since the first week of May absolutely inactive on wikipedia. Exams, working, parties :)

I guess your question had to do something with the adminship-request of Pax. I read it today, and I am absolutely surprised, that someone gave him again the chance to become an admin. Ok, I also see that not all users are blind and can see thru him. I mean, he is not honest, not neutral, he even played dead …. Neutrality is one of the most important things, if someone wants to be an administrator. It is sad, but true: there are already admins, who are not neutral, who claim that, they are something else, from what they actually are. My opinion of him is that, he is just one of some few users, who are getting paid from the Serbian government, to do that what they are doing in wiki. It wouldn’t be the first time such thing happened. In German wiki already did, I can’t remember exactly when it was, but I think it was 2004. There is also an administrator in this wiki, who is also acting absolutely that way. I hope they are getting at least a lot of money for it!

Frankly Kubura I don’t care anymore about pax or users acting like him. I realized that many things written here are absolutely far away from the reality. I also have the feeling that users like him are so disappointed, where Serbia is today, after all what their politicians did to other nations and counties, and now they are trying to create a virtual perfect Serbia. Good luck with it:). I guess they need years to see where the Serbian politicians brought their own land, their own people, and it will obviously need years for most of the Serbian people to realize, what they did to other nations before and during the wars. And frankly I really do hope, that some day Serbia will be a real democratic land, that is important for all the neighboring countries.

So, it is enough wiki for me today. It`s so nice outside, the beach is calling!!

I have a question: since you seem to be related to Croatia: where should a girl take a vacation in Croatia? I mean I was already there, in Zagreb and in Rijeka, it was nice. But maybe you have some kind of insider-info, which cities or parts of Croatia a girl must have seen :)

Have a nice day! --just a happy girl :) 14:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Response to request

I have answered your comment on my talk page so others can easily see my response. See: here. Spylab 16:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Giove

Regarding your message. I don't know much about this user so I really can't help much. I came upon him by accident as I was doing some review of Croatian counties I came upon some disturbing statements he put up there. I thought ok maybe he didn't do it on purpose but I still decided to partially keep my eye on him. With his recent incidents at Marko Marulić article and at couple of other articles it has come to my attention this user has a more malicious agenda than it seemed at first. Also the revert made by User:GiorgioOrsini was also interesting as it came immediately after Giove was blocked for 3RR an edit warring and the revert was 100% identical as if it was the same person. Now since GiorgioOrsini seems banned in the light of this I think it may be actually good to ask to check this user wheter he has a clone or if they are somehow connected. Unfortunately I really can't help much with that, except having my eye on this person. --No.13 04:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Do you think you have enough to take a complain for RfCU? I got a suggestion from a mod to do it but I don't know how. Perhaps you could do it? Something should be done in any case, he continues to edit war just as his 3RR block expires. See here and here --No.13 21:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I urge you to post RfCU for Giove on the basis what you posted to Steel. Strenghtened with my example of exact same revert done by him and Orsini I think this is more than enough for reasonable doubt that we are talking about the same person. Having in mind of course that "GiorgioOrsini" is already a confirmed sockpuppeteer. --No.13 14:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hrvatska

Odgovaram ti ovdje tako da olakšam user PANONIANu praćenje razgovora. Jednostavno ne želim mu zadavati pretjerane probleme :)) Pošto se Edgar bavi slikama i sličnim stvarima bio sam mu već sada davno rekao da bi bilo lijepo ako može uplodati karte iz povjesnih atlasa granica Hrvatske. Što više karti bolje. Posebno bi bila zanimljiva karta turskih osvajanja u Hrvatskoj pošto je to za englesku wiki potpuno nepoznata tematika. Također pokušavam napraviti tekst granice "naših" država prije i poslije Juge, što PANONIAN po svaku cijenu pokušava spriječiti. Sve u svemu imam zabavu, a ujedno vidim da se i ti zabavljaš s talijanima. Pored toga pokušavam uspostaviti (ako si vidio) grupu usera koji će zajedno, neutralno rješavati sve polemike na engleskoj wiki o povijeti država južne i istočne europe. Da li si zainteresiran za to ! Ako jesi moraš prihvatiti pravila koja si vidio ? --Rjecina 15:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Znam, znam...

Ma poludia sam, ovi ne samo da mi undoa sve edite nego uopće nemože pisat na engleski (mislin pročita si...). zamisli frika. Sad ja ispadan troll. Al nema problema, admin je djelomično blocka sporne članke pa sad ovi nemože ništa. Neznan šta on tu uopće radi... liči komplekse biće. btw, ovi taljani stvarno nisu normalni, ne samo da taljanske članke editaju POV, nego su sad počeli čačkat članke ka "Zadar" i "Tito"... DIREKTOR

Write in plain english....this is NOT the Croatian wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.215.160.114 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 18 July 2007

This is Kubura's talkpage, you write in Italian all the time. On other people's talkpages and on the talkpages of articles (which you should not do). DIREKTOR 12:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Dalmatia

To make long story short look this article: Dalmatian anti-Serb riots of May 1991. I am interested to hear your thinking !!--Rjecina 14:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

History of Dalmatia

What do you think about this article? I think it's ridiculous that there is no link to it at the History of Croatia template. Could we do something about this? --No.13 17:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I just saw that it was you who started that article. I have no problem with it however I think there should be some linking between the History of Croatia template and articles and those from Dalmatian related because in the end they are related. --No.13 18:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Republic of Ragusa edits

My edit changed nothing. Italian was already listed as an official language in the infobox, so adding the Italian name to the top should be considered uncontroversial. And the immediate predecessor state at 1358 (the date listed in the infobox) was Venice, so the flag and link to it needed to match. Lexicon (talk) 14:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Messages you've sent me (Names in Croatian and Albanians and Zadar)

Hi,

I couldn't send you a message via WikiPedia's e-mail engine, so I've used your discussion page instead. It might be true that the Albanians have had a much bigger impact on Zadar than the Hungarians. I'm also glad to hear that Hungarian towns have their own names is Croatian (which is not a big surprise, since Croatia was part of Hungary for several centuries). I'm still sad to see though that it's such a big deal to have its Hungarian name put on the page. Nevertheless I've added a link in the Zadar article to the corresponding part of the Names_of_European_cities_in_different_languages article before I've logged out from my Wikipedia account for 2-3 months. I came back today and one of the first thing I've checked was my discussion page (with your messages in it) and after that the article about Zadar, where my addition has been removed. For this I don't see any point in arguing about that further, because people who edit the page (including you) do not want to reach a compromise nor do they want to represent NPOV. But tell me, if the article about Vienna can include a link to the "names in different languages" page, why is it that the one about Zadar cannot? CoolKoon 19:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

This may not be any of my business, but allow me to correct you CoolKoon (with no offence intended), Croatia was in a personal union with Hungary for centuries. i. e. it was a different country with the same ruler. Thank you. DIREKTOR 19:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC) P.S. Zadar was not the capital of many different nations. I don't think you need me to tell you that...

Ok, more or less it was a personal union. But what does this whole thing to do with being a capital? And even if e.g. Vienna is a capital, what does it have to do with having a link there where people can see its name in other languages? BTW I don't think that Vienna was a capital of any English-speaking country at all. Despite that it has an English name which is quite different from the German one, which is: Wien (IPA:vi:n). And if you're talking about different nation, how about the Italians and Albanians who had a much greater impact on the city than Hungary (as your fellas say)? CoolKoon 20:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not think Albanians had a very large impact on the city, Italians did have an impact (unfortunately) but please note: Hungary never directly ruled the city (unlike Rijeka) like Italians did, and the city did have a pretty large Albanian minority at one period... DIREKTOR 20:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: Authorship

No, that was not me. Cheers, Lights 20:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Zadar/Zara

I have absolutely zero interest in what you call the city today or what you think it should have been called in the 13th century; the siege of 1202, however, is known in English as the "Siege of Zara". Adam Bishop 21:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Zenanarh for my list of sources that call it "Siege of Zara". Adam Bishop 14:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

South Slavic languages

Look, I told you I removed that!, it's you who's pestering! I am not creating any fantasy world, Kubura, it's you who is blined and can only see what you would like. Also, anyone that is not a completely indoctrinated freak can see that Croatian and Serbian are incredibly alike, despite the fact that there was a war, despite the fact that Serbs attacked us, despite all those facts, this is still very obvious, exept for those who's nationalist pride (and perhaps religion) prevents them from objectively looking at facts. It will take more than one political party and 15 years, to change this millenia old simmilarity. Distort historical data!? My friend, you don't seem to know that in those days there was no Croatian (or Serbian) language, that it was not known as "Croatian" in Dubrovnik, that it was just called "Slavic", that it had very little in common with the language spoken in, let's say, Zagreb or Belgrade. Please, do not accuse me of distorting history you are not even familiar with. I assure you, there are still A LOT of people in Split whose nationality does not destroy their rational thought. DIREKTOR 13:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hej, Direktore, nemoj se zivcirati zbog takvih govana kao sto su Kubura ili Ante P. ili Mir Kurven...i svu onu sacicu zardjalih mozgova, koji sire samo mrznju medju nasim ljudima. Ostavi ih, svi su vidjeli jalovost njihovih 'ideja' i provokacija na wikipediji. Niko ih vise na njenim stranicama ne uzima za ozbiljne i sa vremenom nestace kako sto su se i pojavili. Sa njima ce nestati i njihov SMRAD i OTROV koji su sirili sa ciljem da razdvoje i posvadjaju jugoslavenske narode. Na srecu sve je vise normalnih ljudi koji stavljaju znanje i istinu ispred ignoriranja i provokacija, kao sto je mladi zagrepcanin Luka Jacov. Luka, koji je sam izvojevao mnogo znacajnih bitki protiv ovih utvara na wikipediji, je mladi napredni intelektualac, koji kao i mi, ne moze podnijeti neistine i lazi na wikipediji. Nasa mreza ljudi koji vole znanje i istinu je sve brojnija i havla Bogu, sve uspjesnija. Pobijedimo utvare zla zauvijek i iskorenimo ih, prvo sa wikipedije, a poslije i sa svih ostalih sredina gdje njihovi ostaci jos uvijek obitavaju! Neka nam zivi zajednicki Srpskohrvatski Jezik i neka se kao takav uvijek u svijetu vodi. Srdacni pozdravi. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.110.10 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 29 July 2007

Hmmm, nema smisla vrijeđat bez veze... Morat ću se ogradit od pojedinih djelova ovog posta, ovakav govor mržnje ništa neće riješit. Situacija jest kakva jest i službene informacije se kao takve moraju naglašavat u Wikipediji. To dakako uključuje pitanje jezika. DIREKTOR 12:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I tried to talk to them in a more civilized way this summer, when I suggested to put what 'problems' need to be 'revised'. They continued with their offensive language, on occasions giving some empty 'explanations' of some questions chosen by them, not the ones I noted as 'problems'. There wasn't other way to communicate with them, except returning the offensive language. Cheers! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.110.10 (talk)

Languages in Ragusa

All right, let's not endlessly debate on this, I really don't have the nerves for it. Instead I'd like you to take a look at the "Official language" subsection of the "Languages in Ragusa" section. The Italians have posted the claim that ITALIAN was the official language in Ragusa. They have some (undoubtably biased) Italian source backing this up. I am seriously considering rewriting the whole section and would appreciate your oppinion as well as any information you might have and want to include herein. DIREKTOR 14:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Saborsko massacre

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That tag was added by a vandal/troll, user Wermania. Kubura 08:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

If name of article Baćin massacre is not OK then name of Gospić massacre is not OK and need to to be changed. Any other solution is double standard solution. --Rjecina 18:11 26 july 2007.

Vandal Wermania

Thank you for the explanation on my talk page. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

an appropriate message has been left there by another editor, and the best thing to do is to avoid escalating. DGG (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As this is continuing, I have made appropriate comments to the Saborsko article, and a copyediting to regularize the grammar. More detailed references are needed; but the editing was certainly what would be considered disruptive. of course d I have not yet checked the other articles, where I will proceed similarly. DGG (talk) 19:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I see another editor has left a higher level warning; it is normal to proceed by stages even in the case of apparently disruptive editsDGG (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

npov tags

I am not going to reinsert them, but if someone else does, let them stay until the matter is resolved. Please read WP:FOOT for the method of sourcing individual statements in an article--I know it's a lot of work, but it is not un reasonable for truly controversial material. DGG (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

deletion

You generally know more about Wikipedia than I do, what other ways are there to get the Chetnik "Category talk:Former Towns of RSK 1991-95" deleted? There have been two attempts so far to create this category; both failed, but it has been resurrected by Serbs who are determined to own our country and recreate history to make themselves look like victims. --Jesuislafete 21:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleting of false map

If you have time go please on commons for voting about deleting of Serbia1918 map. Link is [9] ---Rjecina 18:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Category "Former Towns of RSK 1991-95"

Can you please check this matter out and cast a vote. The link for the actual category is here and the discussion and voting is taking place here. Thanks. --No.13 06:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Kubura please stop removing this category from the articles. Go to the actual catgory page and to the page where it's deletion is discussed. I gave you the links here just above this post. Do not delete this category until the discussion is over, I made that mistake since I didn't know this was against the rules. --No.13 11:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting on the talk page, but don't forget to vote, it won't take long, and we need to defeat this once and for all. --Jesuislafete 00:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Warning?

Oh come on, Kubura. People call each other far worse things than "not being indifferent to nationality". I was merely surprised No.13 was accused of being a vandal so I felt I had to say something. Truth is, I don't know anything about that guy... DIREKTOR 12:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Kubura Direktor didn't write anything compromising or discrediting there, he was actually defending me. See defintion for "level-headed" here. I thank him for his kind words. Regards. --No.13 13:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Um... you thought I was attacking No.13 and defending the Italians!?? Oh that's rich, why in the hell would you think that?! DIREKTOR 12:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

HI . If you have any knowledge on Illyrians will you please help me improve the article. At the moment it's shit, and certain people seem intent on making the conclusion that all Albanians are Illyrians (and therfore own all the Balkans)

Hxseek 01:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Category "Former Towns of RSK 1991-95"

Can you please check this matter out and cast a vote. The link for the actual category is here and the discussion and voting is taking place here. Thanks. (preneseno bez komentara s talk stranice usera Rjecina)--No.13 06:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Benkovac

Hi. Please see User:Benkovac's userpage that I consider very agressive and provocative against Croatians. I warned him, but he then mentioned the sources of those comments. I know that generally userpage edits are not up to others, but maybe we should aks intercession or an admin's help. Hvala. --Koppany 10:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you believe this guy?

Petri Krohn, the guy who reverted Giacomo Micaglia without any knowledge of the subject, has filed a RfCU saying I am a sockupppet of some other user. ^_^ See Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Afrika_paprika. I am thinking this might be his way of revenge for this and this. --No.13 12:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what made this guy to think I am having anything with that, I have looked into edits made by the acounts in RfCU report and besides few edits on the same articles there is not much similarity between me and those guys. I was merely reverting edit warring and vandalism by other users and he accuses me of disruption, those articles are not even my interest, it's the football articles. Other articles I edit from time to time is influenced by what I read, watch, hear on tv (movies, documentaries) and internet. I am flabbergasted by this. --No.13 13:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Mediation Zadar, Mikalja

Request for mediation was set up for these articles [10] and I just wonder why you're not on the list as a party. Zenanarh 07:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

dealing with disruption

Just fyi, I'm not the ideal person to deal with vandalism; not all admins have experience at everything & I've never worked on sockpuppet problems. I know enough to help in an emergency if I'm here (I'm almost never online from 6:00-19:00 GMT), but in general you'll do better at AIV and ANI. They're watched 24 hours. DGG (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)